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Charles Brown to visit giants

bigfrank612 : 3/19/2014 3:09 pm
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@caplannfl: UFA OT Charles Brown is scheduled to visit the Giants, source said.
Good Grief !  
NNJ Tom : 3/19/2014 3:11 pm : link
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Oh,  
NYGmen58 : 3/19/2014 3:11 pm : link
Good Grief!
smart  
GiantsFan84 : 3/19/2014 3:11 pm : link
a veteran swing tackle is needed. should be able to get him for low money. you don't want this guy starting but he's no worse than the alternatives
Not sure what it fixes  
bigbluehoya : 3/19/2014 3:11 pm : link
To add Charlie Brown to a Mickey Mouse offensive line...
So much for a great off season  
Headhunter : 3/19/2014 3:12 pm : link
Eric Winston > Charlie Brown  
BlueHurricane : 3/19/2014 3:12 pm : link
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Good thing he's not a kicker.  
BeerFridge : 3/19/2014 3:12 pm : link
Although, I imagine Tom Quinn could work his magic.

More  
Defenderdawg : 3/19/2014 3:12 pm : link
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Free agent OT Charles Brown will visit the Giants.
Brown can play both left and right tackle and has 22 career starts under his belt, with 14 of those coming in 2013. He gave up seven sacks and 33 hurries as the Saints left tackle in 2013 and was benched in Week 15 after getting lit up by Rams RE Robert Quinn. Brown would likely be the swing man in New York. Mar 19 - 3:09 PM
Source: Adam Caplan on Twitter
I always had a feeling that if the Giants traded Barry Cofield  
KooKoo4Giants : 3/19/2014 3:13 pm : link
For the saints 2nd round draft pick, they would have drafted this big dude. He struggled really bad for the saints last year. He was benched by Sean Payton after he was embarrassed by Robert Quinn, of whom is a BEAST!!! He is a very athletic player. He would make a really nice backup!
He's  
Johnny5 : 3/19/2014 3:13 pm : link
A clown.
Second round choice of the Saints in '10  
jeff57 : 3/19/2014 3:13 pm : link
from USC.
dammit headhunter  
BeerFridge : 3/19/2014 3:13 pm : link
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I'd rather  
Josh in the City : 3/19/2014 3:13 pm : link
draft a mid round OL instead of signing a guy who we know can't play.
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GP : 3/19/2014 3:15 pm : link
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Scouting report: Brown's first season as the Saints' starting left tackle ended in ugly fashion. He was benched during the middle of a bad game against the St. Louis Rams and All-Pro pass-rusher Robert Quinn in Week 15. Then he never returned to the lineup after that, as rookie Terron Armstead took over the job.

Up until that point, Brown had been doing a decent job in the role -- some ups and downs, certainly, but nothing to the level of that Rams game. For the season, Brown was credited with either seven or eight sacks allowed (depending on the stat service). And he was flagged for a total of 10 holding or illegal use of hands penalties.

Brown, an athletic lineman who has added some bulk over the years, was a second-round draft pick out of USC in 2010. His first three seasons as a backup were plagued by a variety of injuries -- mostly unrelated. But he stayed healthy last season when he finally got a crack at the starting job, which was a good sign for his future options.

Projection: I think it's safe to assume that Brown will sign elsewhere this offseason, as he will probably want a change of scenery and an opportunity to win a starting job elsewhere. And I think other teams will be interested in his potential since he's still young and has some starting experience under his belt.

Brown probably won't be signed as an immediate starter somewhere else since he'll have to rehab his reputation a little bit in summer camps and the preseason. But I could definitely see him resurrecting his career if he finds the right situation.
If signed will compete for roster spot. Settles nothing.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/19/2014 3:16 pm : link
Do some of you HAVE TO ALWAYS react this way? ;)
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GP : 3/19/2014 3:16 pm : link
that was per ESPN.com, by the way.
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BeerFridge  
Headhunter : 3/19/2014 3:16 pm : link
I take it as great minds think alike
Sounds like he was evaluated  
Randy in CT : 3/19/2014 3:20 pm : link
in way too stern a fashion. See if he can be coached up.
BH, you're probably right,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/19/2014 3:22 pm : link
but the Giants are probably waiting for his price to go down and it will as with others they may have in mind...If they lose him, so be it, but I believe they're doing this correctly
Tells me  
Mr. Nickels : 3/19/2014 3:25 pm : link
he is cheap yet dependable depth. Certainly has a pedigree former 2nd rounder from USC.

He would be similar to the Locklear move couple years ago.

Basically he could come right in and start at Left Tackle until Will Beatty is ready to go 100%.

If signed I think it shows they have faith in Beatty and Pugh stays at RT and Schwartz at LG. The draft will be focused on Center and Guard.
RE: He's  
jcn56 : 3/19/2014 3:26 pm : link
In comment 11574921 Johnny5 said:
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A clown.


LOL!
Wonder if he can run block?  
mrvax : 3/19/2014 3:28 pm : link
If signed, he will battle Beatty for the LT position, IMO. It would still make sense to draft a tackle if the value is there.

I can't believe Snee is still on the roster.
If he came in as good as Locklear  
Johnny5 : 3/19/2014 3:28 pm : link
That would be a coup for Jerry. Our OL was pretty good with Locklear around, and considerably worse after he went down.

But, according to the song, he is a clown.
Looks like the swing tackle that we  
Simms11 : 3/19/2014 3:28 pm : link
so desparately need now. Would be a very good signing.
RE: Eric Winston > Charlie Brown  
GIANTSr01 : 3/19/2014 3:29 pm : link
In comment 11574917 BlueHurricane said:
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Probably a lot more expensive too.
This is the guy i was looking  
GMANinDC : 3/19/2014 3:31 pm : link
at for the tackle position..definitely not Bruce campbell..
Swing tackle folks  
NYG007 : 3/19/2014 3:36 pm : link
He would be just fine for that
who do you guys want them to sign?  
GiantsFan84 : 3/19/2014 3:38 pm : link
he's being looked at to sign as a BACKUP. he's a guy who has previous starting experience at both tackle spots and should come cheap.

there are holes all over the roster still, DE, DT, WR, RB (there is poor depth behind Jennings if Wilson does not play), TE (there are no NFL caliber TE's on the roster), OL.

all of these can't be solved in the draft.

you aren't getting Eric Winston as a backup, nor is there money to sign someone like that as a backup.

beatty is still the starter.
Don't know much about him  
Big Blue '56 : 3/19/2014 3:38 pm : link
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RE: who do you guys want them to sign?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/19/2014 3:40 pm : link
In comment 11575002 GiantsFan84 said:
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Who do you want them to sign


Only never-injured All-Pros. But don't overpay. And they have to be from a good team.

56  
GMANinDC : 3/19/2014 3:41 pm : link
Not a whole lot..He's ranked pretty good by Bill Polian, for what it's worth..I think he will be a good depth signing..

I'm still now sold on what we have there..I think they should sign Will Montgomery, whose out on the streets now..
With you on Montgomery  
Big Blue '56 : 3/19/2014 3:44 pm : link
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RE: RE: who do you guys want them to sign?  
Semipro Lineman : 3/19/2014 3:47 pm : link
In comment 11575014 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 11575002 GiantsFan84 said:


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Who do you want them to sign



Only never-injured All-Pros. But don't overpay. And they have to be from a good team.



Don't forget, on the right side of 30 as well or is it 27 now?
Brown  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/19/2014 3:54 pm : link
has a lot of talent. He was coming on a bit in 2011 before a hip injury. Then he got hurt again in 2012.

They can still draft a tackle to put into the mix  
JonC : 3/19/2014 3:57 pm : link
one that could push Brown (or other swing tackle contender) off the roster.
GREAT tackles get abused from time to time,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/19/2014 4:00 pm : link
so is it a great sin to get abused by Robert Quinn? Didn't we abuse Walter Jones while he was still in his prime?
Brown  
Marty866b : 3/19/2014 4:01 pm : link
Came to USC as a very good blocking tight end. Very good athlete for a tackle and with some good coaching he could be a valuable backup at both OT positions.
And lets not forget on the cheap. 1 year incentive laden contracts  
PatersonPlank : 3/19/2014 4:01 pm : link
"Only never-injured All-Pros. But don't overpay. And they have to be from a good team.

Don't forget, on the right side of 30 as well or is it 27 now?"


When is he scheduled to come in?  
Big Blue '56 : 3/19/2014 4:01 pm : link
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Pat Flaherty  
Canton : 3/19/2014 4:03 pm : link
Will coach him up.
Interesting sidelight: Blocking TE?  
Maineline : 3/19/2014 4:04 pm : link
Before he was drafted, Scout.com considered him a tight end prospect and gave him a four-star rating, placing him 10th on their tight end ranking.
Sorry Marty  
Maineline : 3/19/2014 4:06 pm : link
I was typing while you were posting.
will beatty's gotten  
area junc : 3/19/2014 4:07 pm : link
his ass handed to him plenty of times by players who can't carry Quinn's jockstrap
Brown is an intriguing option  
Jay on the Island : 3/19/2014 4:09 pm : link
I don't know why anyone would hate this news that he is coming in for a visit. Brown has played well at times and he is athletic and still young. He is worth a roster spot to see if Flaherty can coach him up and get him to play to his potential. He would provide solid depth at OT.
Polian gives him a B  
DanMetroMan : 3/19/2014 4:09 pm : link
"Brown is a good pass protector but lacks a little power to drive in the run game. The latter point is what they pay him for in New Orleans, though. He keeps the Saints' franchise QB upright, and that earns him a solid B grade."

He's Polian's best remaining OT followed by Campbell, drop off to Jason Fox and Andrew Gardner


Brown would be a nice addition
Bring him in  
GiantJake : 3/19/2014 4:11 pm : link
Young veteran backup who can fill in at either tackle and TE experience should make him a good tackle eligible in short yardage situations.
Polian's  
DanMetroMan : 3/19/2014 4:12 pm : link
best remaining FA (not including restricted)

in order-

Jared Allen

Charles Brown

Chris Clemons

Anthony Spencer

Campbell

Thomas DeCoud

Patterson
I was  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/19/2014 4:12 pm : link
thinking what area junc just said.

Brown may be a better player than Beatty. Not ready to say that yet, but he would be nice insurance.
My neighbor who loves the Saints told me  
Jimmy Googs : 3/19/2014 4:18 pm : link
Charlie Brown is not a guy you want playing at Tackle very long if at all possible.

He said he is athletic, but very inconsistent and too often is overpowered by a bull-rush (not sure of his size) and either gives up the sack or is penalized.

Said he gets penalized a lot with holds and hands to the face almost each game. The game against Quinn was not good, but was the end of the line for him after many bad weeks.

Said he'd rather have Linus out there...


Jimmy  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/19/2014 4:34 pm : link
it's not a size issue but a strength/toughness issue.

He's got good size, long arms, and he's an athlete. But he is inconsistent. He's not a mauler. In some ways, he a lot like Beatty.
I don't get it  
Jupiter : 3/19/2014 4:35 pm : link
I don't understand why posters say " I wouldn't want him to start but he is okay as a backup". The whole purpose in having a backup is so he can fill in for the starter for a game - or sometimes for the rest of the season.

I could understand it if the guy was a good special teams player but what other value does a lineman have except to play when needed.
Did I say Charles Brown  
Damon : 3/19/2014 4:36 pm : link
or did I say Charles Brown?!
Jupiter  
DanMetroMan : 3/19/2014 4:40 pm : link
I think the difference is "I wouldn't want to rely on him" aka pass on a top OT in the draft because they added him. He actually has some untapped upside giving his physical tools but he's also a guy who you may not want out there over the long haul if he doesn't play up to them.
RE: I'd rather  
NoGainDayne : 3/19/2014 4:40 pm : link
In comment 11574924 Josh in the City said:
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draft a mid round OL instead of signing a guy who we know can't play.


Yeah, because that strategy has worked so well for us in the last 5 years.
People  
DanMetroMan : 3/19/2014 4:43 pm : link
have to assume the WORST when it comes to a draft pick coming into the NFL. You have to assume that a guy isn't going to be that great until year 2 (obviously there are exceptions) but a mid-round pick usually doesn't come in and play starter caliber in general, especially on the OL.
RE: Jimmy  
Jimmy Googs : 3/19/2014 4:58 pm : link
In comment 11575174 Eric from BBI said:
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it's not a size issue but a strength/toughness issue.

He's got good size, long arms, and he's an athlete. But he is inconsistent. He's not a mauler. In some ways, he a lot like Beatty.


like Beatty...uh oh.

Lets just hope Reese doesn't give Chuck a 5 year $38M deal then...
Robert Quinn  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 3/19/2014 5:02 pm : link
Is a stud. How many times was Beatty absolutely abused last year?

Camp fodder and competition. Nothing more.
If it gets Brewer off the team I'm all for it.  
yatqb : 3/19/2014 5:06 pm : link
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he is a big guy..  
Blue Blood : 3/19/2014 5:20 pm : link
6'5.. Long arms.. huge hands.. probably needs to beef up a bit and get stronger. He was a former 2nd round pick a few years ago..
here is his Walter Football scouting report..  
Blue Blood : 3/19/2014 5:22 pm : link
link provided
Charles Brown Scouting Report Walter Football - ( New Window )
Seems worth a gamble  
chris r : 3/19/2014 5:25 pm : link
We could use another tackle.
sure  
spike : 3/19/2014 5:48 pm : link
if he comes cheap.
If he was any good, he would probably be off the market by now.  
Klaatu : 3/19/2014 6:05 pm : link
And for big bucks. Still, we could use another OT, and if he comes cheap it wouldn't hurt to bring him into camp.
When we signed Locklear  
shockey07458 : 3/19/2014 6:14 pm : link
I am sure the feeling back then was he was not any good and camp fodder. Sometimes change of scenery and new coaches can make a difference. Locklear turned out to be a decent find.
RE: If he was any good, he would probably be off the market by now.  
Blue Blood : 3/19/2014 6:17 pm : link
In comment 11575313 Klaatu said:
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And for big bucks. Still, we could use another OT, and if he comes cheap it wouldn't hurt to bring him into camp.


not necessarily.. The Saints center is pretty good and he is still out there.. he carries more risk.. and he might be a better player depending on the blocking scheme.. but if he is young and cheap.. thats good..
Big difference.  
Klaatu : 3/19/2014 6:22 pm : link
Locklear had been a dependable starter for about five or six years. Brown has been an underachiever at best, at worst a bust.
Locklear  
BlueLou : 3/19/2014 6:24 pm : link
Revisited.
He's still probably better than Baker, Kropog, or Goodin, though.  
Klaatu : 3/19/2014 6:28 pm : link
So, like I said, it wouldn't hurt to have him on the roster if he comes cheap.
Sean Locklear part 2  
BillyBoy8384 : 3/19/2014 6:55 pm : link
I think it would be the swing tackle everyone is wanting on here. We need a good OL for depth. Someone who can come in and start. We can still draft a guy after getting Ebron in the Draft. Im 100 percent sold that Ebron will be the pick . If they sign Finley, maybe they go OL/WR, I still think Ebron is too good to pass up though.

Mara said the "offense is broken" .... that means we are either getting Ebron, Evans, or Lewan. Id find it hard to believe if we went defense in Rd 1. We finished 8th and only got better in FA. Its def going to be an offensive pick at 12.
Can he also play G?  
Rflairr : 3/19/2014 6:56 pm : link
Can't count on Snee
RE: Sean Locklear part 2  
Blue Blood : 3/19/2014 7:12 pm : link
In comment 11575376 BillyBoy8384 said:
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I think it would be the swing tackle everyone is wanting on here. We need a good OL for depth. Someone who can come in and start. We can still draft a guy after getting Ebron in the Draft. Im 100 percent sold that Ebron will be the pick . If they sign Finley, maybe they go OL/WR, I still think Ebron is too good to pass up though.

Mara said the "offense is broken" .... that means we are either getting Ebron, Evans, or Lewan. Id find it hard to believe if we went defense in Rd 1. We finished 8th and only got better in FA. Its def going to be an offensive pick at 12.


not necessarily.. There are rounds after Round 1..

The Giants could go defense and still get a good OT/OG, TE or WR in rounds 2-4..
He'd be a nice pick up if cheap  
illmatic : 3/19/2014 7:16 pm : link
It's exactly the type of guy you want backing up the tackle spot. I love the way they're mostly targeting guys who are 26-28 years old in free agency too. The guy has talent and he could still improve.
I don't know  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/19/2014 7:17 pm : link
everytime he tries to kick the ball Lucy pulls it away and he falls on his back. Every fucking time!!!
Charles Brown an upgrade?  
kotar1 : 3/19/2014 7:18 pm : link
I read this on NBC Sports...
Brown can play both left and right tackle and has 22 career starts under his belt, with 14 of those coming in 2013. He gave up seven sacks and 33 hurries as the Saints left tackle in 2013 and was benched in Week 15 after getting lit up by Rams RE Robert Quinn. Brown would likely be the swing man in New York.
He likely isn't an upgrade over Beatty,  
BlueLou : 3/19/2014 7:40 pm : link
but for damn sure ought to be a significant upgrade over James Brewer as the team's 6th OL.
He is about the same as Beatty only different  
oipolloi : 3/19/2014 9:20 pm : link
They were both ranked about the same coming out of college and were drafted in the second round.

Brown is quick and light on his feet but there are questions about his size and strength. He was 285 as a senior.

Beatty, as we know all too well, struggles with quickness. But he is the size of a house.
Sounds like a total blockhead..  
Davisian : 3/19/2014 9:30 pm : link
#analysis

He's Gonna Get Caught  
looie : 3/19/2014 10:11 pm : link
Just you and wait and see.
He's Gonna Get Caught  
looie : 3/19/2014 10:13 pm : link
Just you wait and see.
Yes - he should be cheap. FA has been going on for10 days and  
Jimmy Googs : 3/20/2014 8:11 am : link
no one has signed Chuck even though he can play either Tackle position, was a second round pick, and started most of the season for a playoff team last year. Obviously there are some pretty heavy red flags.

With that said, versatility and athleticism can go a long way if he can pick up the rest of his game and improve our bench-strength...make that create some bench-strength.

Defense gets DRC and the Offense gets Charlie Brown

...poor Eli
It's a visit...jeez.  
Klaatu : 3/20/2014 8:23 am : link
Would you rather have them bring in Marshall Newhouse?
our new blocking  
aquidneck : 3/20/2014 8:44 am : link
TE?
One important point.  
Semipro Lineman : 3/20/2014 3:29 pm : link
Locklear came from Washington the season before and quite a few BBIers questioned the widsom of bothering with a reject from a team whose oline suck. Then a poster in that area reported that Locklear had butted heads with the Washington offensive line coach at the time and that they were asking their line to do things a bit differently than most teams which Locklear didn't like.

On that note, the Saints due to Drew Brees shortness, focus more attention on anchoring the middle of the oline against the pass rush to give him lanes and room to step up. Maybe in a different system, Charlie Brown will response better or maybe the Saints system was actually better for him and he couldn't get his head out of his behind
Semipro  
wigs in nyc : 3/20/2014 4:00 pm : link
Really interesting point, thanks.
So was he in yesterday or today?  
Big Blue '56 : 3/20/2014 4:34 pm : link
Beuller?
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