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Taylor Lewan will be arraigned on 3 charges

Dannyc58 : 3/20/2014 1:42 pm
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BREAKING: Taylor Lewan will be arraigned on 3 charges stemming from a Dec. 1 assault in Ann Arbor. Story coming to @annarbornews

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Teams have to make the decision now  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:19 pm : link
that's the point. They can't wait for the court
No Sy  
cosmicj : 3/20/2014 3:21 pm : link
you're looking at this in the wrong way. There are many uncertainties in Lewan's future NFL performance. His pattern of behavior is raising the likelihood of future off-the-field problems which may decrease his performance. Ergo, his draft value falls. Again, it's not an "innocent until proven quilty" situation. The NFL draft isn't a court of law. It's more like the stock market.
If it gets settled  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:21 pm : link
in court before the draft, that changes things. If not, it's an open question teams will have to deal with
Kyle  
Motley Blue : 3/20/2014 3:23 pm : link
I don't know enough about it, your post just struck me as a little passionate and I didn't have to do much investigating at to why.
So....  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 3:23 pm : link
I would put Lewan's chances of doing 90 days in jail at LESS than 1%. I'm not gonna draft him because of that?
the guy he assaulted was half his size  
Phil in LA : 3/20/2014 3:25 pm : link
the woman he threatened was maybe a third of his size. You want a POS like that on Giants? Let alone with bad tape?
Further...  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 3:25 pm : link
I would put his chances of spending 1 day in jail less than 1%,
This isn't even a matter of wanting Lewan in blue  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 3:28 pm : link
I will likely have 2-4 guys graded higher than him available at 12. It's the principal that BBI often overreacts on initial thought. You see it every time something good or bad happens...every win or loss. Every signing or loss of a player. Why not be patient and try to acquire more information before making a concrete statement.
You might  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:29 pm : link
you might not. Is he such a can't miss prospect in the first round that there won't be other players graded near him on team's boards? That's all it takes to drop.

I was never arguing that this was a death sentence for the player. But it's not nothing. It's clearly not nothing.
I haven't made any concrete statements  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:32 pm : link
,
I don't  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:33 pm : link
think recognizing that teams will look at this, and not just his game tape, is an extreme position.
RE: he's building a string of poor judgements  
Dannyc58 : 3/20/2014 3:34 pm : link
In comment 11577239 JonC said:
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enough to warrant very close scrutiny, at the very least.


As well said as is possible (IMHO.
RE: This isn't even a matter of wanting Lewan in blue  
Stan from LA : 3/20/2014 3:44 pm : link
In comment 11577321 Sy'56 said:
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I will likely have 2-4 guys graded higher than him available at 12. It's the principal that BBI often overreacts on initial thought. You see it every time something good or bad happens...every win or loss. Every signing or loss of a player. Why not be patient and try to acquire more information before making a concrete statement.


Yup.
RE: I don't think it's a character issue as much as a temperment isssue.  
BigBluDawg : 3/20/2014 3:52 pm : link
In comment 11577204 Marty in Albany said:
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Offensive linemen can't start fights just because somebody pulls their face mask and calls him a pussy. They have to control themselves until nobody's looking.


Temperament might be the problem indeed.

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ESPN’s cameras captured Lewan grabbing and twisting opposing defenders’ facemasks a few times during the game, leading to plenty of tough questions for the Wolverines captain on Monday.


Here’s what Lewan had to say about everything on Monday, via ESPN’s Chantel Jennings:

“It’s tough at times, definitely when you’re in a huge rivalry game like Michigan-Michigan State,” Lewan said. “A couple of those face-mask deals were on accident. … A couple of those were very blatant and I apologize for that.

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HA!  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 4:01 pm : link
Lewan plays dirty in the trenches. Oh man....Cross him off! NYG would be lucky to have some mean guys in there. Alan Faneca...Andrew Whitorth....Jake Long...some dirty guys. Would hate to have guys like that on this line.
Jake Long doesn't have a rep as a dirty player.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2014 4:05 pm : link
Not sure if Faneca ever did.

You're confusing tough guys and hard nosed players with cheap shot tossers and instigators.
RE: HA!  
Victor in CT : 3/20/2014 4:06 pm : link
In comment 11577384 Sy'56 said:
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Lewan plays dirty in the trenches. Oh man....Cross him off! NYG would be lucky to have some mean guys in there. Alan Faneca...Andrew Whitorth....Jake Long...some dirty guys. Would hate to have guys like that on this line.


Yeah wouldn't that be terrible?!! :-) THe Giants are in desperate need of some snarl up front. Schwartz is a start but it's not enough.
The contortions necessary...  
schabadoo : 3/20/2014 4:07 pm : link
...to turn "Taylor Lewan admits ‘blatant’ dirty play, could face suspension" into a positive...
Sy, I really appreciate and respect your  
Dennis : 3/20/2014 4:08 pm : link
player evaluations.
What's your opinion of Zach Martin as our 1st pick?
You also said you had 2-4 players rated ahead of Lewan.
Is Martin one of those players?
How would you compare Martin to Lewan or to the other
most highly rated players?
I'm intrigued by Martin and the potential versatility he offers.
Thank you Sir!
Sy, I really appreciate and respect your  
Dennis : 3/20/2014 4:10 pm : link
player evaluations.
What's your opinion of Zach Martin as our 1st pick?
You also said you had 2-4 players rated ahead of Lewan.
Is Martin one of those players?
How would you compare Martin to Lewan or to the other
most highly rated players?
I'm intrigued by Martin and the potential versatility he offers.
Thank you Sir!
RE: No Sy  
AcidTest : 3/20/2014 4:12 pm : link
In comment 11577298 cosmicj said:
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you're looking at this in the wrong way. There are many uncertainties in Lewan's future NFL performance. His pattern of behavior is raising the likelihood of future off-the-field problems which may decrease his performance. Ergo, his draft value falls. Again, it's not an "innocent until proven quilty" situation. The NFL draft isn't a court of law. It's more like the stock market.


This.
Dennis  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 4:15 pm : link
I actually have more than that rated ahead of Lewan. But what I was saying...I expect when NYG is on the clock at 12, I'll have 2-3 guys still available that grade out higher.

My position by position analysis will be coming in April. And Martin I like...he is an 81 and Lewan is an 83 as of right now.
remember this guy  
Nick from Goa : 3/20/2014 4:19 pm : link
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Two New York Jets players and a former teammate were arrested early yesterday after a brawl in a Long Island bar in which a man and a woman were punched and two police officers were injured by flying glass from the shattered window of their patrol car.

According to the police in Long Beach, most of the damage was done by John (Jumbo) Elliott, a left tackle who was once a contender for football's Hall of Fame


.
My fear is that some team ahead of us will now take Martin  
yatqb : 3/20/2014 4:27 pm : link
over Lewan. I don't want Lewan on the team.
All this from fans who have rooted for....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/20/2014 5:17 pm : link
....Taylor, Meggett, Ingram, Elliott, Strahan, Hamilton, Wooten, Collins, Peter, Burress, Toomer, Bradshaw, Manningham, etc. over the years?
it's more the bad publicity than anything else  
oipolloi : 3/20/2014 5:25 pm : link
i don't think it means he can't keep out of trouble. He was drinking and did something stupid.

wtf Emlen?  
alligatorpie : 3/20/2014 5:58 pm : link
broad brush much?
Isn't Lewan  
BigBlueCane : 3/20/2014 6:03 pm : link
regardless of his crimes, now on the NFL's radar as someone who will need to attend counseling at least?
RE: My fear is that some team ahead of us will now take Martin  
jeff57 : 3/20/2014 6:22 pm : link
In comment 11577427 yatqb said:
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over Lewan. I don't want Lewan on the team.


I don't think anyone before the Giants will take Martin.
wow Emlem  
schabadoo : 3/20/2014 6:24 pm : link
No effort at all.

Show some pride.
He'll need to  
J-Wil : 3/20/2014 6:26 pm : link
attend counseling for a bar fight that we don't know his role in? Good god.....

RE: No Sy  
dguy901 : 3/20/2014 7:19 pm : link
Do you mean like Ray Lewis, the guy who got away with muder? 1st, Lewan is high profile and I am not giving him a free pass but, an emotionally charged situation and he adamantly denies the allegation. I am older and not a pussified youngster. Nobody needs to allow themselves to be insulted, assaulted or degraded! Screw any wuss who might disagree. I hope Lewan falls to the Gmen!!!

In comment 11577298 cosmicj said:
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you're looking at this in the wrong way. There are many uncertainties in Lewan's future NFL performance. His pattern of behavior is raising the likelihood of future off-the-field problems which may decrease his performance. Ergo, his draft value falls. Again, it's not an "innocent until proven quilty" situation. The NFL draft isn't a court of law. It's more like the stock market.
RE: And the charges for the fight are open  
dguy901 : 3/20/2014 7:25 pm : link
Are you delirious, the charges filed are misdemeanors! And 3 months after the incident the attorneys smell money and publicity. Money and politics is all this is about, not guilt, innocense or right versus wrong. I am disgusted with the government and authorities. JMHO.

In comment 11577243 Sneakers O'toole said:
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which means they could affect his availability for things like training camp. Non issue my ass
Not in the slightest  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 7:30 pm : link
aggravated assault in his state carries the potential for one year in jail. We jail people for it all the time.
Anyone thinks that  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 7:33 pm : link
the teams aren't giving this serious thought are living in a fantasy world. This is a first round pick we're talking about here. You look at everything.
Sure you look at everything....  
hazydavey : 3/20/2014 9:37 pm : link
But what's the issue really?

Is it that a 1st round pick might possibly do some time in jail over misdemeanor charges? It's possible, but how likely is it?

Or is it the culmination of "character" concerns including the witness intimidation accusation 4 years ago (for which no charges were filed), dirty play, bar fights etc. ?

I'm not too worried either way. Sure there's calculated risk involved - that's true with any player. I'd draft him. (Or I'd draft Donald)
NON-ISSUE  
Stan from LA : 3/20/2014 9:47 pm : link
Please, enough.
it's an aggravated assault  
Phil in LA : 3/20/2014 10:23 pm : link
as well as separate charges of assault and battery. Though it happened outside of a bar, it was not a bar fight. Also, he lied about it at the combine when he said the guy recanted his accusation. He wouldn't be being charged if that was the case, so the teams also have to look at the fact that he lied.
Some new  
J-Wil : 3/20/2014 10:32 pm : link
evidence had to have came out recently. The first video they had showed an OSU fan falling down drunk, and Lewan was standing there.
He could be the next  
PEEJ : 3/20/2014 10:38 pm : link
Incognito. *grin*
I remember reading about it when it took place.  
Stu : 3/20/2014 10:43 pm : link
Surprised it took so long to surface.
Giants will have to look  
bc4life : 3/21/2014 7:05 am : link
into it but college kids getting into a fight may not be a deal breaker.
If I was 6'7 310- I'd just go around all day  
drkenneth : 3/21/2014 7:37 am : link
threatening people. That would be awesome.
Phil- Do you have some sort of personal connection to Lewan?  
drkenneth : 3/21/2014 7:38 am : link
You sound really upset about the whole thing.
The article about his arraignment says  
David B. : 3/21/2014 8:59 am : link
that he was answering questions about this situation AT THE COMBINE. And telling teams that he was "trying to break up a fight" and never hit anyone.

Whether that's true or not, and whether the kid has problems or not isn't what matters here.

What matters here is that every team that interviewed him at the combine already knew about this stuff and have probably already made their decisions about whether or not they think it's an issue, and whether to downgrade or remove him from their draft boards.

I'm guessing most teams will not do either. At least not before seeing how this plays out.
Phil very likely heard something specific  
JonC : 3/21/2014 6:32 pm : link
from someone in the know.
RE: Phil very likely heard something specific  
drkenneth : 3/22/2014 8:29 am : link
In comment 11579486 JonC said:
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from someone in the know.


Sounds that way. (No disrespect Phil!)
RE: So....  
Great White Ghost : 3/22/2014 9:11 am : link
In comment 11577308 Sy'56 said:
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I would put Lewan's chances of doing 90 days in jail at LESS than 1%. I'm not gonna draft him because of that?
I don't think the jail time is the issue.If he got 90 days for illegal dumping, i don't think anyone would give a shit. he has red flags as far as character issues go. I'm sorry, but he does, it's simply as fcat. Right or wrong, guilty or innocent don't enter into it much. ASt this point it is perceived as a PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR on his part, and that is enough to make a lot of organizations shy away, or at least factor into their consideration. If they don't factor it in, frankly then they aren't doing their due dilligence. This isn't his first rodeo either as far as the law goes. The guy has issues.They will be considered by any team that looks ta him. Myself I think we should stay away.
RE: My fear is that some team ahead of us will now take Martin  
GmenDynasty : 3/22/2014 11:10 am : link
In comment 11577427 yatqb said:
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over Lewan. I don't want Lewan on the team.


In this uber deep draft I would be amazed if Martin goes in the top.11. Martin is tough versatile and a great technician, but he isnt the potential dominant force that Robinson or Matthews likely will be.

Thats not to say he wont be a very good player but with the talent in the top 10 that wont be near BPA.
I didnt want him @ 12 before  
Blue Blood : 3/22/2014 11:18 am : link
and I definitely dont now..
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