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Taylor Lewan will be arraigned on 3 charges

Dannyc58 : 3/20/2014 1:42 pm
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BREAKING: Taylor Lewan will be arraigned on 3 charges stemming from a Dec. 1 assault in Ann Arbor. Story coming to @annarbornews

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Dannyc58 : 3/20/2014 1:44 pm : link
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According to court records, Lewan faces a charge of aggravated assault and two charges of assault and battery. Arraignment on 4/8.

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character an  
Phil in LA : 3/20/2014 1:45 pm : link
issue now?
Obviously we'll see what comes of this  
Anakim : 3/20/2014 1:45 pm : link
But his draft stock has definitely taken a hit
Holy  
lugnut : 3/20/2014 1:46 pm : link
shite. Don't see how his draft stock doesn't take a hit. His PR handler needs to spin this into how, indeed, he plays with a mean streak.
OUCH  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 1:46 pm : link
Definitely downgraded for this if proven guilty of anything.
I'm sure most teams  
Carl in CT : 3/20/2014 1:46 pm : link
Know about this already. They do their due diligence.
Story  
Dannyc58 : 3/20/2014 1:47 pm : link
Linked
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buh  
blue42 : 3/20/2014 1:48 pm : link
bye....he won't be wearing a Giants uniform.
maybe will make him available at 12  
George from PA : 3/20/2014 1:48 pm : link
And run to podium....
This is Separate from pending sexual assault case.  
Dannyc58 : 3/20/2014 1:49 pm : link
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Oh wait....this is a non issue  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 1:49 pm : link
A bar fight? Whatever.

I thought this had to do with a sexual assault case. From what I've been told, the bar fight thing wasn't a big deal. College kid gets in a fight at a bar...does that mean all of us are character risks?
..................  
sphinx : 3/20/2014 1:50 pm : link
Bart Hubbuch ‏@HubbuchNYP 32s
Taylor Lewan was thought to be high on the Giants draft board, but I cant see how they risk touching him now.

I always  
MookGiants : 3/20/2014 1:50 pm : link
love the run to the podium comments. I know most are joking but some are definitely serious. Why would you ever hurry to make your pick?
Ebron  
Earl the goat : 3/20/2014 1:52 pm : link
First pick
the victims were 2 Ohio State fans?  
mfsd : 3/20/2014 1:52 pm : link
sounds like the sort of thing where they were drunk and mouthing off, and Lewan finally had enough and slugged them
More reason to hope  
nicky43 : 3/20/2014 1:52 pm : link
Jake Mathews falls to us.
Sy  
Dannyc58 : 3/20/2014 1:53 pm : link
But if starts to show a history of violence. Agree in isolation this probably wouldn't affect his stock.
Ebron  
Emil : 3/20/2014 1:54 pm : link
We need a big TE to be a playmaker and give Eli an outlet

Never wanted Lewan, I think you can get a good OT in RD2. Especially if you don't care if you get a RT or a LT, given Pugh's flexibility.
Doesn't seem like much of a big deal.  
BeerFridge : 3/20/2014 1:54 pm : link
I got into a couple scuffles in college. This doesn't sound like anything more than that.
and LOL  
MookGiants : 3/20/2014 1:54 pm : link
at the Giants taking him off their board as a result. It's a problem but not reason to completely take him off your board.

Giants have employed guys with problems before and they will again
I think what could hurt is stock  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 1:55 pm : link
isn't so much the fight but that there hasn't been a legal resolution yet. While I would think the possibility of jail time in this is remote, it's not a zero chance either. You have a couple players rated about the same, maybe you take the other guy.
Let me preface this by saying  
kelsto811 : 3/20/2014 1:56 pm : link
I don't watch college football. I have a feeling though Lewan is going to be a problem for whatever team takes him. This, the sexual assault accusation of his "involvement", and his demeanor on the field when I watched him. He gets over aggressive and seems to come off like a problem maker. With that said it's just a guy feeling I have and I would use the pick elsewhere.
Mook  
Dannyc58 : 3/20/2014 1:56 pm : link
I think with pending sexual assault charges it's an issue. In isolation this is a "boys will be boys" scenario think all agree.
I  
AcidTest : 3/20/2014 1:58 pm : link
thought we could do better at #12. As others have said, this is a deep draft for OL.

As far as the character concerns, I never thought they were minor, but regardless, NFL teams are showing much less tolerance for character flaws, especially anything to do with violence. And a player who aspires to be a top ten pick better be squeaky clean in that regard.
The same, holier than thou Giants....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/20/2014 1:58 pm : link
....who employed Christian Peter?
RE: Mook  
MookGiants : 3/20/2014 1:58 pm : link
In comment 11576942 Dannyc58 said:
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I think with pending sexual assault charges it's an issue. In isolation this is a "boys will be boys" scenario think all agree.


Sexual assault charges? huh?
Nice! Just what we need!  
Pete from Woodstock : 3/20/2014 1:58 pm : link
an OL with a mean streak!! I say draft him!!
Trade back  
Motley Blue : 3/20/2014 2:00 pm : link
Grab Kelvin Benjamin in the first and pick up Lewan with our extra 2nd round pick. Then grab a DT/C/G/TE with the other 2nd round pick.

It's all coming together.
RE: RE: Mook  
Dannyc58 : 3/20/2014 2:02 pm : link
In comment 11576957 MookGiants said:
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In comment 11576942 Dannyc58 said:


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I think with pending sexual assault charges it's an issue. In isolation this is a "boys will be boys" scenario think all agree.



Sexual assault charges? huh?



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Lewan, who used to live with Gibbons and is close to him, had been linked to the case through an online report claiming he made contact with the alleged victim while the case was being investigated. He maintains, though, he did not intimidate her.


He isn't accused of sexual assault, but intimidating in that case.

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Pete  
Carl in CT : 3/20/2014 2:02 pm : link
I'm with you. You need a violent player to play a violent game, not a choir boy!
The sexual assault reference  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 2:02 pm : link
His teammate was accused of sexual assault, and Lewan was investigated for intimidating the accuser. I don't know what came of that offhand.
Imagine this isn't something that turns up as a huge issue  
GmenDynasty : 3/20/2014 2:03 pm : link
and he drops to 43? Ebron/Donald/Lee/Evans @ 12 then Lewan @ 43...wow
No chance  
MookGiants : 3/20/2014 2:04 pm : link
he drops to 43 over this
I still take him  
RAIN : 3/20/2014 2:05 pm : link
This doesn't do anything. If anything, we need some nasty on that side of the ball.

RE: Sexual Assult case  
Dannyc58 : 3/20/2014 2:05 pm : link
(News still to come)
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Lewan just went to the top of the  
Giants2012 : 3/20/2014 2:05 pm : link
Bengals board
And this does not even involve his alleged rape threat  
jeff57 : 3/20/2014 2:07 pm : link
He'll surely drop. Too much of a risk to take at 12.
Looks  
old man : 3/20/2014 2:07 pm : link
Oakland, Cincy, Dallas or NE bound now.

Or we get him in the 3rd or 4th; then on May 12 he is cleared of all charges.

WooHoo!
Not about being holier than thou  
Emil : 3/20/2014 2:08 pm : link
It's about not investing a premium pick in a question mark or gut with legal issues.

Sure the Giants employed Christian Peters, but they picked him as a FA at the minimum. This is about being smart with your resources.
motley blue  
aquidneck : 3/20/2014 2:09 pm : link
Not many guys can play C, G, TE and DT.
Zack Martin starts to look better and better  
jeff57 : 3/20/2014 2:10 pm : link
If Evans and Donald are gone, I'd take him at 12.
Lewan tested great at the combine,  
cosmicj : 3/20/2014 2:11 pm : link
showed ability but also some limitations on the field for Mich, and displays a pattern of very poor off-the-field judgement.

2nd round. He may fall further.
Zach  
DG : 3/20/2014 2:11 pm : link
Martin at 12 would be a good pick.
RE: Not about being holier than thou  
AcidTest : 3/20/2014 2:12 pm : link
In comment 11577002 Emil said:
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It's about not investing a premium pick in a question mark or gut with legal issues.

Sure the Giants employed Christian Peters, but they picked him as a FA at the minimum. This is about being smart with your resources.


Agreed. And Christian Peter was a long time ago. The league is much more image conscious now. This isn't just one incident, a "boys will be boys" bar fight. He's been accused of intimidation, and was flagged for deliberately grabbing the face mask of an MSU player IIRC. It's too much for him to be the #12. As to how far he falls, nobody knows. I don't think he'll fall out of the first round, but we shouldn't select him.
Guys....no offense intended here  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 2:13 pm : link
But you...as am I....are clueless of the stories concerning Lewan and his "mean streak" off the field. Until proven guilty or having something more than a gossip column talking about it...I would just study his game tape.
Always thaought that the "Run To The Podium"  
Chef : 3/20/2014 2:13 pm : link
joke was in reference to Accorsi as he would always run to the podium with his pick instead of taking his time and fielding potential trade suitors..
aquid  
Motley Blue : 3/20/2014 2:13 pm : link
That's why I didn't want to put his name out there, most don't know about him, but he should be available for the Giants in the 2nd round.
Martin is also more versatile than Lewan  
jeff57 : 3/20/2014 2:14 pm : link
A trait the Giants seem to value.
For those of you crying  
RH : 3/20/2014 2:18 pm : link
for the Giants to pick Ebron at 12, can you imagine Lewan coming off the bench this year as 3rd tackle/eligible receiver in goal line offense? Hillis & Connor in the backfield with TE (Donnell) & Cruz in bunch formation?

We should have no trouble scoring from 5-yards out.
Can anyone locate the original news report or source  
cosmicj : 3/20/2014 2:21 pm : link
for the story about Lewan threatening the alleged victim of the Wolverines kickers' sexual assault? The incident and response took place in 2009. I can only find secondhand reports and not the original material.

If you can find it, please link to it. Much appreciated.
RE: and LOL  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2014 2:22 pm : link
In comment 11576932 MookGiants said:
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at the Giants taking him off their board as a result. It's a problem but not reason to completely take him off your board.

Giants have employed guys with problems before and they will again

Minor problems. Not..really something like this.

...  
PonderingObserver : 3/20/2014 2:24 pm : link
Does anyone else find the twitter links totally redundant and serve only to identify a sourcealmost totally useless. OPs should just annotate via XYZS twitter. The 3rd link was most informative.
RE: For those of you crying  
Giants2012 : 3/20/2014 2:26 pm : link
In comment 11577057 RH said:
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for the Giants to pick Ebron at 12, can you imagine Lewan coming off the bench this year as 3rd tackle/eligible receiver in goal line offense? Hillis & Connor in the backfield with TE (Donnell) & Cruz in bunch formation?

We should have no trouble scoring from 5-yards out.


I can't remember the Giants near the goal line so give me a minute.
Sy  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 2:29 pm : link
It's a little more than gossip, there is an official arraignment and an ongoing investigation. That's not gossip.
This  
NJGiantFan84 : 3/20/2014 2:29 pm : link
has been known for awhile now. Without a prior record, i doubt he'll get much more than a fine & maybe short-term probation, if found guilty. He claims he was trying to break it up.

A fight doesn't bother me so much. The allegations that he threatened to rape a rape victim if she didn't recant her statement that his roommate did in fact rape her is far more worrisome to me.
Didn't want him then and don't want him now.  
RDJR : 3/20/2014 2:31 pm : link
Draft a TE at 12.
Sneakers  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 2:32 pm : link
His penalty might be a $500 fine, and thats IF found guilty. If that is worthy of knocking his draft grade....then I should be fired from my job for a speeding ticket.
Sy  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 2:36 pm : link
or, perhaps if when you applied for your job your employer was aware of pending charges against you, they went with the other guy instead.
and  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 2:37 pm : link
witness intimidation and speeding tickets are hardly equivalent. Just for the sake of accuracy.
I don't think it's going to kill the guy in the draft  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 2:39 pm : link
but it's not a non issue, either
Lewan  
Marty866b : 3/20/2014 2:39 pm : link
If the Giants were deciding between Lewan and another player at #12, this might make their decision a bit easier. Personally, I don't think it's that much of a big deal. The NFL is definitely not made up of Boy Scouts.
After seeing Donald's game tape I am on his bandwagon anyway.
Sy is correct  
Stan from LA : 3/20/2014 2:46 pm : link
A TOTAL non-issue.
sneakers you have this wrong  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 2:48 pm : link
The whole intimidation story is not even in the clear. That is not what this story is about...

This is about a bar fight.
I don't have anything wrong  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 2:50 pm : link
these are the issues surrounding the player. The league's teams spend a great deal of time at the combine trying to sort out the character of the squeaky clean players. These things matter.

I know they are separate issues, they are still issues.
From one of those links...  
schabadoo : 3/20/2014 2:50 pm : link
"Shortly after the woman reported the rape, she began to receive threats from Gibbons roommate and fellow football player, Taylor Lewan (now an All-American), that he would rape her again if she pressed charges against Gibbons.

The threats were reported by two other football players to the Office of Student Affairs who reported them to the University police. The University police did a wellness check on the young woman[9] and met with Taylor Lewan. They warned Taylor Lewan not to threaten the woman again and that he might face criminal charges[10]. No criminal charges were ever filed by the campus police. "
And above  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 2:51 pm : link
I mention and a arraignment (fight) AND an ongoing investigation (witness intimidation). Separate issues, but both are going to raise questions about the player.

It's never just about game tape, ever.
Schabadoo  
cosmicj : 3/20/2014 2:52 pm : link
where's that quote from?

I agree that the witness intimidation is a much bigger deal than a bar fight, so getting more information about that incident is important.
I don't mean to bogart the thread, but I  
NJGiantFan84 : 3/20/2014 2:56 pm : link
will never understand how Michigan is not getting destroyed by the media over and over again for their handling of the alleged rape.

They actually kicked the alleged rapist out of school two years after the alleged incident, shortly after his athletic eligibility ran out.

RE: sneakers you have this wrong  
AcidTest : 3/20/2014 2:56 pm : link
In comment 11577161 Sy'56 said:
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The whole intimidation story is not even in the clear. That is not what this story is about...

This is about a bar fight.


It doesn't matter. There are now too many "incidents." At some point, their cumulative weight becomes more important than any one "incident." And that's especially true for somebody aspiring to be a top ten pick. Some teams might conclude that a pattern for violence has been established.

Somebody will take him in the first round in all likelihood. Too much talent. But all of this isn't irrelevant.

I wouldn't have drafted him anyway at #12. The OT class is very deep, and I'd prefer Donald or Evans.
Probably Won't Make a Difference  
Samiam : 3/20/2014 2:57 pm : link
I think the front offices have already investigated him and this is not new news unless there is an expectation that he'll miss part of training camp or have to serve time which is probably unlikely. I think they all know he's not a choir boy.
Lewan is a scumbag  
Kyle in NY : 3/20/2014 2:57 pm : link
shit like this is not out of character for him
Wait  
Motley Blue : 3/20/2014 2:58 pm : link
He won the bar fight, right?
I'm not arguing against the player  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 2:58 pm : link
If the Giants were to draft him I'd be fine with it. I don't know the man, it's not my place to judge him. But, it's not a non issue and it's certainly not "gossip".
I don't think it's a character issue as much as a temperment isssue.  
Marty in Albany : 3/20/2014 2:59 pm : link
Offensive linemen can't start fights just because somebody pulls their face mask and calls him a pussy. They have to control themselves until nobody's looking.
RE: Lewan is a scumbag  
Motley Blue : 3/20/2014 2:59 pm : link
In comment 11577198 Kyle in NY said:
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shit like this is not out of character for him



^Occupation: The Ohio State Football^
NJGiant84  
cosmicj : 3/20/2014 3:00 pm : link
UM is getting raked over the coals about the alleged perp's expulsion. There was a student protest over the delay in the expulsion and the US Dept of Education is reviewing the expulsion. I agree that the timing of the expulsion is fishy.
Where are the facts  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 3:01 pm : link
about an ongoing investigation? Other than guys behind a computer writing about it on their blog?

And again...the bar fight is not even an incident to me. It's equivalent to a speeding ticket in my eyes. A big football player that is going to be paid millions to beat people up was fed up with a couple of drunk Ohio State fans that I would bet my bottom dollar were being on the disrespectful side and got in to a fight. Non issue. Come on.

If anything were to ever come of the rape case...you have to give it a second look. But until someone legit (nobody here) has information that can throw him in jail, it can't be a part of the grade. Plain and simple.
I  
NJGiantFan84 : 3/20/2014 3:07 pm : link
believe the rape case has been closed as the victim ended up dropping charges (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

That doesn't mean it's not an issue to look at when taking a guy at #12. It also doesn't mean you don't take him there at all, it's just something you look into and talk to him about in order to determine the type of person you think he is.

he's building a string of poor judgements  
JonC : 3/20/2014 3:07 pm : link
enough to warrant very close scrutiny, at the very least.
Sy  
Dunedin81 : 3/20/2014 3:08 pm : link
Sexual assault is a third rail, (rightly) one of the few offenses from which teams don't walk but run. He didn't do it and hasn't been accused of doing it, but his connection to it is such that it could cause a media blow-up that nobody wants. It will impact his draft stock, perhaps to a greater extent than will these charges (except if teams see a pattern of an inability to stay out of trouble).
And the charges for the fight are open  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:09 pm : link
which means they could affect his availability for things like training camp. Non issue my ass
Sy  
cosmicj : 3/20/2014 3:10 pm : link
NFL front offices are surely investigating Lewan's background very thoroughly right now, especially the rape intimidation part of his backstory. They will have far more information than us but they will also be somewhat uncertain about what really happened, and also about whether additional incidents exist which raise more concerns about Lewan's background.

The perception that Lewan may cause off-the-field probelms isn't dependent on him being "innocent before proven guilty". (It isn't the opposite "guilty before proven innocent" situation either.) It's a question of risk.

That will make him fall, even if there are questions about the seriousness or veracity of the charges against him.



Completely agree  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 3:11 pm : link
But what has come of this in recent years? If I recall correctly...this story is 3-4 years old. Even if it were recent....NOTHING has come of it. Not even close.
The fact that the sexual assault chargers against the  
cosmicj : 3/20/2014 3:11 pm : link
Wolverines K were dropped is irrelevant to the assessment of Lewan.
Sneakers  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 3:12 pm : link
I'm done talking about a bar fight. Again...zero offense intended here but it's a waste of time to discuss. Carry on.
Its a gamble but  
natefit : 3/20/2014 3:12 pm : link
maybe you trade down now and still get him plus another pick
Then don't discuss it  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:14 pm : link
you entered yourself into the debate
The fight thing  
Phil in LA : 3/20/2014 3:15 pm : link
is not 1 charge, but three charges. So it could be three penalties.

And the sexual assault thing was ongoing last I heard, and Gibbons was kicked out of school.

And it's also possible that there will be time consuming civil suits against Lewan once he gets paid.
He's facinfg charges  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:16 pm : link
that include the possibility of jail time. That is not a non issue, it's not a speeding ticket, and it's not gossip.

He's linked to witness intimidation, rightly or wrongly. There is a police report. That isn't gossip, it may be a false charge, but it isn't gossip either.
Too many question marks with this guy  
BigBluDawg : 3/20/2014 3:16 pm : link
Allegations of threatening a rape victim and now assault , plus his admitted dirty play on the field . I would pass with the 12th pick
Does "nothing proven"  
RD : 3/20/2014 3:16 pm : link
still hold?

This kid had had trouble written all over him. That's why I never wanted him.
I said my piece  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 3:16 pm : link
you said yours. Then I said mine again. Then you said yours again.

Agree to disagree.
If it was just a bar fight  
Phil in LA : 3/20/2014 3:16 pm : link
there wouldn't anyone charged with aggravated assault.
What happens  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:17 pm : link
when you draft the player with your first round pick, and he gets sentenced to 90 days in jail? Is it still a non issue?
Motley Blue  
Kyle in NY : 3/20/2014 3:17 pm : link
am I wrong though?
That's fine  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:18 pm : link
we can agree to disagree. I accept that.
When he gets sentenced to 90 days in jail  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 3:18 pm : link
Come talk to me. Until then....let it rest.
Teams have to make the decision now  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:19 pm : link
that's the point. They can't wait for the court
No Sy  
cosmicj : 3/20/2014 3:21 pm : link
you're looking at this in the wrong way. There are many uncertainties in Lewan's future NFL performance. His pattern of behavior is raising the likelihood of future off-the-field problems which may decrease his performance. Ergo, his draft value falls. Again, it's not an "innocent until proven quilty" situation. The NFL draft isn't a court of law. It's more like the stock market.
If it gets settled  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:21 pm : link
in court before the draft, that changes things. If not, it's an open question teams will have to deal with
Kyle  
Motley Blue : 3/20/2014 3:23 pm : link
I don't know enough about it, your post just struck me as a little passionate and I didn't have to do much investigating at to why.
So....  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 3:23 pm : link
I would put Lewan's chances of doing 90 days in jail at LESS than 1%. I'm not gonna draft him because of that?
the guy he assaulted was half his size  
Phil in LA : 3/20/2014 3:25 pm : link
the woman he threatened was maybe a third of his size. You want a POS like that on Giants? Let alone with bad tape?
Further...  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 3:25 pm : link
I would put his chances of spending 1 day in jail less than 1%,
This isn't even a matter of wanting Lewan in blue  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 3:28 pm : link
I will likely have 2-4 guys graded higher than him available at 12. It's the principal that BBI often overreacts on initial thought. You see it every time something good or bad happens...every win or loss. Every signing or loss of a player. Why not be patient and try to acquire more information before making a concrete statement.
You might  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:29 pm : link
you might not. Is he such a can't miss prospect in the first round that there won't be other players graded near him on team's boards? That's all it takes to drop.

I was never arguing that this was a death sentence for the player. But it's not nothing. It's clearly not nothing.
I haven't made any concrete statements  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:32 pm : link
,
I don't  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:33 pm : link
think recognizing that teams will look at this, and not just his game tape, is an extreme position.
RE: he's building a string of poor judgements  
Dannyc58 : 3/20/2014 3:34 pm : link
In comment 11577239 JonC said:
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enough to warrant very close scrutiny, at the very least.


As well said as is possible (IMHO.
RE: This isn't even a matter of wanting Lewan in blue  
Stan from LA : 3/20/2014 3:44 pm : link
In comment 11577321 Sy'56 said:
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I will likely have 2-4 guys graded higher than him available at 12. It's the principal that BBI often overreacts on initial thought. You see it every time something good or bad happens...every win or loss. Every signing or loss of a player. Why not be patient and try to acquire more information before making a concrete statement.


Yup.
RE: I don't think it's a character issue as much as a temperment isssue.  
BigBluDawg : 3/20/2014 3:52 pm : link
In comment 11577204 Marty in Albany said:
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Offensive linemen can't start fights just because somebody pulls their face mask and calls him a pussy. They have to control themselves until nobody's looking.


Temperament might be the problem indeed.

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ESPNs cameras captured Lewan grabbing and twisting opposing defenders facemasks a few times during the game, leading to plenty of tough questions for the Wolverines captain on Monday.


Heres what Lewan had to say about everything on Monday, via ESPNs Chantel Jennings:

Its tough at times, definitely when youre in a huge rivalry game like Michigan-Michigan State, Lewan said. A couple of those face-mask deals were on accident. A couple of those were very blatant and I apologize for that.

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HA!  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 4:01 pm : link
Lewan plays dirty in the trenches. Oh man....Cross him off! NYG would be lucky to have some mean guys in there. Alan Faneca...Andrew Whitorth....Jake Long...some dirty guys. Would hate to have guys like that on this line.
Jake Long doesn't have a rep as a dirty player.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2014 4:05 pm : link
Not sure if Faneca ever did.

You're confusing tough guys and hard nosed players with cheap shot tossers and instigators.
RE: HA!  
Victor in CT : 3/20/2014 4:06 pm : link
In comment 11577384 Sy'56 said:
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Lewan plays dirty in the trenches. Oh man....Cross him off! NYG would be lucky to have some mean guys in there. Alan Faneca...Andrew Whitorth....Jake Long...some dirty guys. Would hate to have guys like that on this line.


Yeah wouldn't that be terrible?!! :-) THe Giants are in desperate need of some snarl up front. Schwartz is a start but it's not enough.
The contortions necessary...  
schabadoo : 3/20/2014 4:07 pm : link
...to turn "Taylor Lewan admits blatant dirty play, could face suspension" into a positive...
Sy, I really appreciate and respect your  
Dennis : 3/20/2014 4:08 pm : link
player evaluations.
What's your opinion of Zach Martin as our 1st pick?
You also said you had 2-4 players rated ahead of Lewan.
Is Martin one of those players?
How would you compare Martin to Lewan or to the other
most highly rated players?
I'm intrigued by Martin and the potential versatility he offers.
Thank you Sir!
Sy, I really appreciate and respect your  
Dennis : 3/20/2014 4:10 pm : link
player evaluations.
What's your opinion of Zach Martin as our 1st pick?
You also said you had 2-4 players rated ahead of Lewan.
Is Martin one of those players?
How would you compare Martin to Lewan or to the other
most highly rated players?
I'm intrigued by Martin and the potential versatility he offers.
Thank you Sir!
RE: No Sy  
AcidTest : 3/20/2014 4:12 pm : link
In comment 11577298 cosmicj said:
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you're looking at this in the wrong way. There are many uncertainties in Lewan's future NFL performance. His pattern of behavior is raising the likelihood of future off-the-field problems which may decrease his performance. Ergo, his draft value falls. Again, it's not an "innocent until proven quilty" situation. The NFL draft isn't a court of law. It's more like the stock market.


This.
Dennis  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 4:15 pm : link
I actually have more than that rated ahead of Lewan. But what I was saying...I expect when NYG is on the clock at 12, I'll have 2-3 guys still available that grade out higher.

My position by position analysis will be coming in April. And Martin I like...he is an 81 and Lewan is an 83 as of right now.
remember this guy  
Nick from Goa : 3/20/2014 4:19 pm : link
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Two New York Jets players and a former teammate were arrested early yesterday after a brawl in a Long Island bar in which a man and a woman were punched and two police officers were injured by flying glass from the shattered window of their patrol car.

According to the police in Long Beach, most of the damage was done by John (Jumbo) Elliott, a left tackle who was once a contender for football's Hall of Fame


.
My fear is that some team ahead of us will now take Martin  
yatqb : 3/20/2014 4:27 pm : link
over Lewan. I don't want Lewan on the team.
All this from fans who have rooted for....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/20/2014 5:17 pm : link
....Taylor, Meggett, Ingram, Elliott, Strahan, Hamilton, Wooten, Collins, Peter, Burress, Toomer, Bradshaw, Manningham, etc. over the years?
it's more the bad publicity than anything else  
oipolloi : 3/20/2014 5:25 pm : link
i don't think it means he can't keep out of trouble. He was drinking and did something stupid.

wtf Emlen?  
alligatorpie : 3/20/2014 5:58 pm : link
broad brush much?
Isn't Lewan  
BigBlueCane : 3/20/2014 6:03 pm : link
regardless of his crimes, now on the NFL's radar as someone who will need to attend counseling at least?
RE: My fear is that some team ahead of us will now take Martin  
jeff57 : 3/20/2014 6:22 pm : link
In comment 11577427 yatqb said:
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over Lewan. I don't want Lewan on the team.


I don't think anyone before the Giants will take Martin.
wow Emlem  
schabadoo : 3/20/2014 6:24 pm : link
No effort at all.

Show some pride.
He'll need to  
J-Wil : 3/20/2014 6:26 pm : link
attend counseling for a bar fight that we don't know his role in? Good god.....

RE: No Sy  
dguy901 : 3/20/2014 7:19 pm : link
Do you mean like Ray Lewis, the guy who got away with muder? 1st, Lewan is high profile and I am not giving him a free pass but, an emotionally charged situation and he adamantly denies the allegation. I am older and not a pussified youngster. Nobody needs to allow themselves to be insulted, assaulted or degraded! Screw any wuss who might disagree. I hope Lewan falls to the Gmen!!!

In comment 11577298 cosmicj said:
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you're looking at this in the wrong way. There are many uncertainties in Lewan's future NFL performance. His pattern of behavior is raising the likelihood of future off-the-field problems which may decrease his performance. Ergo, his draft value falls. Again, it's not an "innocent until proven quilty" situation. The NFL draft isn't a court of law. It's more like the stock market.
RE: And the charges for the fight are open  
dguy901 : 3/20/2014 7:25 pm : link
Are you delirious, the charges filed are misdemeanors! And 3 months after the incident the attorneys smell money and publicity. Money and politics is all this is about, not guilt, innocense or right versus wrong. I am disgusted with the government and authorities. JMHO.

In comment 11577243 Sneakers O'toole said:
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which means they could affect his availability for things like training camp. Non issue my ass
Not in the slightest  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 7:30 pm : link
aggravated assault in his state carries the potential for one year in jail. We jail people for it all the time.
Anyone thinks that  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 7:33 pm : link
the teams aren't giving this serious thought are living in a fantasy world. This is a first round pick we're talking about here. You look at everything.
Sure you look at everything....  
hazydavey : 3/20/2014 9:37 pm : link
But what's the issue really?

Is it that a 1st round pick might possibly do some time in jail over misdemeanor charges? It's possible, but how likely is it?

Or is it the culmination of "character" concerns including the witness intimidation accusation 4 years ago (for which no charges were filed), dirty play, bar fights etc. ?

I'm not too worried either way. Sure there's calculated risk involved - that's true with any player. I'd draft him. (Or I'd draft Donald)
NON-ISSUE  
Stan from LA : 3/20/2014 9:47 pm : link
Please, enough.
it's an aggravated assault  
Phil in LA : 3/20/2014 10:23 pm : link
as well as separate charges of assault and battery. Though it happened outside of a bar, it was not a bar fight. Also, he lied about it at the combine when he said the guy recanted his accusation. He wouldn't be being charged if that was the case, so the teams also have to look at the fact that he lied.
Some new  
J-Wil : 3/20/2014 10:32 pm : link
evidence had to have came out recently. The first video they had showed an OSU fan falling down drunk, and Lewan was standing there.
He could be the next  
PEEJ : 3/20/2014 10:38 pm : link
Incognito. *grin*
I remember reading about it when it took place.  
Stu : 3/20/2014 10:43 pm : link
Surprised it took so long to surface.
Giants will have to look  
bc4life : 3/21/2014 7:05 am : link
into it but college kids getting into a fight may not be a deal breaker.
If I was 6'7 310- I'd just go around all day  
drkenneth : 3/21/2014 7:37 am : link
threatening people. That would be awesome.
Phil- Do you have some sort of personal connection to Lewan?  
drkenneth : 3/21/2014 7:38 am : link
You sound really upset about the whole thing.
The article about his arraignment says  
David B. : 3/21/2014 8:59 am : link
that he was answering questions about this situation AT THE COMBINE. And telling teams that he was "trying to break up a fight" and never hit anyone.

Whether that's true or not, and whether the kid has problems or not isn't what matters here.

What matters here is that every team that interviewed him at the combine already knew about this stuff and have probably already made their decisions about whether or not they think it's an issue, and whether to downgrade or remove him from their draft boards.

I'm guessing most teams will not do either. At least not before seeing how this plays out.
Phil very likely heard something specific  
JonC : 3/21/2014 6:32 pm : link
from someone in the know.
RE: Phil very likely heard something specific  
drkenneth : 3/22/2014 8:29 am : link
In comment 11579486 JonC said:
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from someone in the know.


Sounds that way. (No disrespect Phil!)
RE: So....  
Great White Ghost : 3/22/2014 9:11 am : link
In comment 11577308 Sy'56 said:
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I would put Lewan's chances of doing 90 days in jail at LESS than 1%. I'm not gonna draft him because of that?
I don't think the jail time is the issue.If he got 90 days for illegal dumping, i don't think anyone would give a shit. he has red flags as far as character issues go. I'm sorry, but he does, it's simply as fcat. Right or wrong, guilty or innocent don't enter into it much. ASt this point it is perceived as a PATTERN OF BEHAVIOR on his part, and that is enough to make a lot of organizations shy away, or at least factor into their consideration. If they don't factor it in, frankly then they aren't doing their due dilligence. This isn't his first rodeo either as far as the law goes. The guy has issues.They will be considered by any team that looks ta him. Myself I think we should stay away.
RE: My fear is that some team ahead of us will now take Martin  
GmenDynasty : 3/22/2014 11:10 am : link
In comment 11577427 yatqb said:
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over Lewan. I don't want Lewan on the team.


In this uber deep draft I would be amazed if Martin goes in the top.11. Martin is tough versatile and a great technician, but he isnt the potential dominant force that Robinson or Matthews likely will be.

Thats not to say he wont be a very good player but with the talent in the top 10 that wont be near BPA.
I didnt want him @ 12 before  
Blue Blood : 3/22/2014 11:18 am : link
and I definitely dont now..
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