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Taylor Lewan will be arraigned on 3 charges

Dannyc58 : 3/20/2014 1:42 pm
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BREAKING: Taylor Lewan will be arraigned on 3 charges stemming from a Dec. 1 assault in Ann Arbor. Story coming to @annarbornews

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RE: and LOL  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/20/2014 2:22 pm : link
In comment 11576932 MookGiants said:
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at the Giants taking him off their board as a result. It's a problem but not reason to completely take him off your board.

Giants have employed guys with problems before and they will again

Minor problems. Not..really something like this.

...  
PonderingObserver : 3/20/2014 2:24 pm : link
Does anyone else find the twitter links totally redundant and serve only to identify a source…almost totally useless. OPs should just annotate “ via XYZS twitter”. The 3rd link was most informative.
RE: For those of you crying  
Giants2012 : 3/20/2014 2:26 pm : link
In comment 11577057 RH said:
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for the Giants to pick Ebron at 12, can you imagine Lewan coming off the bench this year as 3rd tackle/eligible receiver in goal line offense? Hillis & Connor in the backfield with TE (Donnell) & Cruz in bunch formation?

We should have no trouble scoring from 5-yards out.


I can't remember the Giants near the goal line so give me a minute.
Sy  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 2:29 pm : link
It's a little more than gossip, there is an official arraignment and an ongoing investigation. That's not gossip.
This  
NJGiantFan84 : 3/20/2014 2:29 pm : link
has been known for awhile now. Without a prior record, i doubt he'll get much more than a fine & maybe short-term probation, if found guilty. He claims he was trying to break it up.

A fight doesn't bother me so much. The allegations that he threatened to rape a rape victim if she didn't recant her statement that his roommate did in fact rape her is far more worrisome to me.
Didn't want him then and don't want him now.  
RDJR : 3/20/2014 2:31 pm : link
Draft a TE at 12.
Sneakers  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 2:32 pm : link
His penalty might be a $500 fine, and thats IF found guilty. If that is worthy of knocking his draft grade....then I should be fired from my job for a speeding ticket.
Sy  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 2:36 pm : link
or, perhaps if when you applied for your job your employer was aware of pending charges against you, they went with the other guy instead.
and  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 2:37 pm : link
witness intimidation and speeding tickets are hardly equivalent. Just for the sake of accuracy.
I don't think it's going to kill the guy in the draft  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 2:39 pm : link
but it's not a non issue, either
Lewan  
Marty866b : 3/20/2014 2:39 pm : link
If the Giants were deciding between Lewan and another player at #12, this might make their decision a bit easier. Personally, I don't think it's that much of a big deal. The NFL is definitely not made up of Boy Scouts.
After seeing Donald's game tape I am on his bandwagon anyway.
Sy is correct  
Stan from LA : 3/20/2014 2:46 pm : link
A TOTAL non-issue.
sneakers you have this wrong  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 2:48 pm : link
The whole intimidation story is not even in the clear. That is not what this story is about...

This is about a bar fight.
I don't have anything wrong  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 2:50 pm : link
these are the issues surrounding the player. The league's teams spend a great deal of time at the combine trying to sort out the character of the squeaky clean players. These things matter.

I know they are separate issues, they are still issues.
From one of those links...  
schabadoo : 3/20/2014 2:50 pm : link
"Shortly after the woman reported the rape, she began to receive threats from Gibbons roommate and fellow football player, Taylor Lewan (now an All-American), that he would rape her again if she pressed charges against Gibbons.

The threats were reported by two other football players to the Office of Student Affairs who reported them to the University police. The University police did a “wellness check” on the young woman[9] and met with Taylor Lewan. They warned Taylor Lewan not to threaten the woman again and that he might face criminal charges[10]. No criminal charges were ever filed by the campus police. "
And above  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 2:51 pm : link
I mention and a arraignment (fight) AND an ongoing investigation (witness intimidation). Separate issues, but both are going to raise questions about the player.

It's never just about game tape, ever.
Schabadoo  
cosmicj : 3/20/2014 2:52 pm : link
where's that quote from?

I agree that the witness intimidation is a much bigger deal than a bar fight, so getting more information about that incident is important.
I don't mean to bogart the thread, but I  
NJGiantFan84 : 3/20/2014 2:56 pm : link
will never understand how Michigan is not getting destroyed by the media over and over again for their handling of the alleged rape.

They actually kicked the alleged rapist out of school two years after the alleged incident, shortly after his athletic eligibility ran out.

RE: sneakers you have this wrong  
AcidTest : 3/20/2014 2:56 pm : link
In comment 11577161 Sy'56 said:
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The whole intimidation story is not even in the clear. That is not what this story is about...

This is about a bar fight.


It doesn't matter. There are now too many "incidents." At some point, their cumulative weight becomes more important than any one "incident." And that's especially true for somebody aspiring to be a top ten pick. Some teams might conclude that a pattern for violence has been established.

Somebody will take him in the first round in all likelihood. Too much talent. But all of this isn't irrelevant.

I wouldn't have drafted him anyway at #12. The OT class is very deep, and I'd prefer Donald or Evans.
Probably Won't Make a Difference  
Samiam : 3/20/2014 2:57 pm : link
I think the front offices have already investigated him and this is not new news unless there is an expectation that he'll miss part of training camp or have to serve time which is probably unlikely. I think they all know he's not a choir boy.
Lewan is a scumbag  
Kyle in NY : 3/20/2014 2:57 pm : link
shit like this is not out of character for him
Wait  
Motley Blue : 3/20/2014 2:58 pm : link
He won the bar fight, right?
I'm not arguing against the player  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 2:58 pm : link
If the Giants were to draft him I'd be fine with it. I don't know the man, it's not my place to judge him. But, it's not a non issue and it's certainly not "gossip".
I don't think it's a character issue as much as a temperment isssue.  
Marty in Albany : 3/20/2014 2:59 pm : link
Offensive linemen can't start fights just because somebody pulls their face mask and calls him a pussy. They have to control themselves until nobody's looking.
RE: Lewan is a scumbag  
Motley Blue : 3/20/2014 2:59 pm : link
In comment 11577198 Kyle in NY said:
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shit like this is not out of character for him



^Occupation: The Ohio State Football^
NJGiant84  
cosmicj : 3/20/2014 3:00 pm : link
UM is getting raked over the coals about the alleged perp's expulsion. There was a student protest over the delay in the expulsion and the US Dept of Education is reviewing the expulsion. I agree that the timing of the expulsion is fishy.
Where are the facts  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 3:01 pm : link
about an ongoing investigation? Other than guys behind a computer writing about it on their blog?

And again...the bar fight is not even an incident to me. It's equivalent to a speeding ticket in my eyes. A big football player that is going to be paid millions to beat people up was fed up with a couple of drunk Ohio State fans that I would bet my bottom dollar were being on the disrespectful side and got in to a fight. Non issue. Come on.

If anything were to ever come of the rape case...you have to give it a second look. But until someone legit (nobody here) has information that can throw him in jail, it can't be a part of the grade. Plain and simple.
I  
NJGiantFan84 : 3/20/2014 3:07 pm : link
believe the rape case has been closed as the victim ended up dropping charges (someone correct me if I'm wrong).

That doesn't mean it's not an issue to look at when taking a guy at #12. It also doesn't mean you don't take him there at all, it's just something you look into and talk to him about in order to determine the type of person you think he is.

he's building a string of poor judgements  
JonC : 3/20/2014 3:07 pm : link
enough to warrant very close scrutiny, at the very least.
Sy  
Dunedin81 : 3/20/2014 3:08 pm : link
Sexual assault is a third rail, (rightly) one of the few offenses from which teams don't walk but run. He didn't do it and hasn't been accused of doing it, but his connection to it is such that it could cause a media blow-up that nobody wants. It will impact his draft stock, perhaps to a greater extent than will these charges (except if teams see a pattern of an inability to stay out of trouble).
And the charges for the fight are open  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:09 pm : link
which means they could affect his availability for things like training camp. Non issue my ass
Sy  
cosmicj : 3/20/2014 3:10 pm : link
NFL front offices are surely investigating Lewan's background very thoroughly right now, especially the rape intimidation part of his backstory. They will have far more information than us but they will also be somewhat uncertain about what really happened, and also about whether additional incidents exist which raise more concerns about Lewan's background.

The perception that Lewan may cause off-the-field probelms isn't dependent on him being "innocent before proven guilty". (It isn't the opposite "guilty before proven innocent" situation either.) It's a question of risk.

That will make him fall, even if there are questions about the seriousness or veracity of the charges against him.



Completely agree  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 3:11 pm : link
But what has come of this in recent years? If I recall correctly...this story is 3-4 years old. Even if it were recent....NOTHING has come of it. Not even close.
The fact that the sexual assault chargers against the  
cosmicj : 3/20/2014 3:11 pm : link
Wolverines K were dropped is irrelevant to the assessment of Lewan.
Sneakers  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 3:12 pm : link
I'm done talking about a bar fight. Again...zero offense intended here but it's a waste of time to discuss. Carry on.
Its a gamble but  
natefit : 3/20/2014 3:12 pm : link
maybe you trade down now and still get him plus another pick
Then don't discuss it  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:14 pm : link
you entered yourself into the debate
The fight thing  
Phil in LA : 3/20/2014 3:15 pm : link
is not 1 charge, but three charges. So it could be three penalties.

And the sexual assault thing was ongoing last I heard, and Gibbons was kicked out of school.

And it's also possible that there will be time consuming civil suits against Lewan once he gets paid.
He's facinfg charges  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:16 pm : link
that include the possibility of jail time. That is not a non issue, it's not a speeding ticket, and it's not gossip.

He's linked to witness intimidation, rightly or wrongly. There is a police report. That isn't gossip, it may be a false charge, but it isn't gossip either.
Too many question marks with this guy  
BigBluDawg : 3/20/2014 3:16 pm : link
Allegations of threatening a rape victim and now assault , plus his admitted dirty play on the field . I would pass with the 12th pick
Does "nothing proven"  
RD : 3/20/2014 3:16 pm : link
still hold?

This kid had had trouble written all over him. That's why I never wanted him.
I said my piece  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 3:16 pm : link
you said yours. Then I said mine again. Then you said yours again.

Agree to disagree.
If it was just a bar fight  
Phil in LA : 3/20/2014 3:16 pm : link
there wouldn't anyone charged with aggravated assault.
What happens  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:17 pm : link
when you draft the player with your first round pick, and he gets sentenced to 90 days in jail? Is it still a non issue?
Motley Blue  
Kyle in NY : 3/20/2014 3:17 pm : link
am I wrong though?
That's fine  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:18 pm : link
we can agree to disagree. I accept that.
When he gets sentenced to 90 days in jail  
Sy'56 : 3/20/2014 3:18 pm : link
Come talk to me. Until then....let it rest.
Teams have to make the decision now  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:19 pm : link
that's the point. They can't wait for the court
No Sy  
cosmicj : 3/20/2014 3:21 pm : link
you're looking at this in the wrong way. There are many uncertainties in Lewan's future NFL performance. His pattern of behavior is raising the likelihood of future off-the-field problems which may decrease his performance. Ergo, his draft value falls. Again, it's not an "innocent until proven quilty" situation. The NFL draft isn't a court of law. It's more like the stock market.
If it gets settled  
Sneakers O'toole : 3/20/2014 3:21 pm : link
in court before the draft, that changes things. If not, it's an open question teams will have to deal with
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