I posted this in my mock draft below. But I think we could get excellent value by drafting a Niklas, Amaro, or Sefarian-Jenkings in Round 2 and Fiedorwicz in round 4. I like the idea of really strengthening our Tight End position.
If you look at the needs that are still there TE is one of them but there are not enough picks to address all the needs. I am not counting picks after round 4, so I guess a second TE in round 6 would not hurt. So maybe yes.
I think adrien robinson will be a good 2nd tightend. IT's funny, I was thinking earlier "why are the giants not signing a vet Tightend?" Even if they draft one in the first or second, Non of their tightends have any experience. No one to teach them except coaches. Maybe i am over thinking, but the giants like robinson. That must be the reason. So i looked up robinsons highlights from college, and starting thinking he looks pretty good. i saw another video of him working out, doing drills. The guy seems like an athletic freak. Then i remembered, he was hurt all last year so he fell behind. I don't know what to expect from him. I don't expect much, but the giants are high on him. They said they don't expect him to be ready until around this season. I think they are really going to give him a shot to be the guy this year. Just like every year, everyone thinks there is an obvious pick for the giants like Ebron this year. Watch them draft a pass rusher like Ealy. They will probably get their tightend in the third.
Think about this, reese drafted jpp when we had osi, tuck, and kiwi. We are extremely thin at DE including jpp. That wouldn't surprise me.
1) We have too many needs to spend 2 picks on a TE unless one has a good track record on Special Teams (assuming 7-8 draft picks)
2) With Connor and Hynoski still on the roster I think the Giants will be using a lot less TE as FB which will limit the number of 2 TE sets me use
3) Someone like Fedo is more of an inline TE in the Jake Ballard mold, not someone you split out wide so it is really not useful in covering up the fact that we are thin at WR and I am not sure you want to use a 1st or 2nd Round pick on a guy who will be used like Jared Cook (since Fedo would be doing more of the inline blocking)
4) It is a really strong WR draft so we can land one or two guys there in the middle to late rounds who may end up contributing more than another TE
RE: I wouldn't, the Giants still have too many needs
but the Pats did ok for a while with Gronkowski in the 2nd and Hernandez in the 4th on 2010.
Of course it doesn't look as good now that Hernandez is a murderer and Gronkowski can't stay on the field, but for a while it was a great draft.
Pats also had much fewer needs and essentially relied on the O to outscore their opponents, which is not a luxury we have even if we drafted entirely offense with this draft
most teams carry 3 tight ends, with a lot of two tight end sets. the giants don't have 1 tight end. and please don't tell me you're counting on adrien robinson.
but the Pats did ok for a while with Gronkowski in the 2nd and Hernandez in the 4th on 2010.
Of course it doesn't look as good now that Hernandez is a murderer and Gronkowski can't stay on the field, but for a while it was a great draft.
Pats also had much fewer needs and essentially relied on the O to outscore their opponents, which is not a luxury we have even if we drafted entirely offense with this draft
I agree. just saying the thought of a team drafting two TE's isn't outlandish. And the 2009 Pats were not a very strong team.
They went 10 - 6 and lost in the divisional playoff round to the Ravens - at home.
Their 2010 draft filled a bunch of holes with McCourty, Gronk, Hernandez, Spikes, etc. all playing a lot as rookies.
Absolutely not. If you're going to load up this year it should be OL.
Too much value in waiting for the 2nd and grabbing K. Martin. Something is up on the TE front, like you said, other than the top 2 TE's in the draft, I don't see them making major contributions this year. I agree on Robinson, his potential if his doesn't have the injury bug is scary! McAdoo may have something (one) in his back pocket (FA). The most Intriguing TE draft option is a late 4-5th, AC Leonard. He ran a 4:40/40 at the combine and he lined-up outside in college @250/lbs.!
I think adrien robinson will be a good 2nd tightend. IT's funny, I was thinking earlier "why are the giants not signing a vet Tightend?" Even if they draft one in the first or second, Non of their tightends have any experience. No one to teach them except coaches. Maybe i am over thinking, but the giants like robinson. That must be the reason. So i looked up robinsons highlights from college, and starting thinking he looks pretty good. i saw another video of him working out, doing drills. The guy seems like an athletic freak. Then i remembered, he was hurt all last year so he fell behind. I don't know what to expect from him. I don't expect much, but the giants are high on him. They said they don't expect him to be ready until around this season. I think they are really going to give him a shot to be the guy this year. Just like every year, everyone thinks there is an obvious pick for the giants like Ebron this year. Watch them draft a pass rusher like Ealy. They will probably get their tightend in the third.
Think about this, reese drafted jpp when we had osi, tuck, and kiwi. We are extremely thin at DE including jpp. That wouldn't surprise me.
This is what I see from everyone, we are all acting like we are set at center, and we are a long way from set there, that is a CRITICAL position. The last guy drafts a center in the 7th round and thinks he did a good job, LOL. So we are OK to go into the season with Walton and a 7th round pick! You kidding me! Yesterday the guy did not even draft a center, so we are OK going into the season with only Walton to him. OK, and I am supposed to say good job! We are OK going into the season with a guy who has played 4 games in 2 seasons. Has not played in almost 2 full seasons, a player that when healthy was not very good to begin with. I just hope Reese has a plan, he has ignored the OLine for a long time, I hope he does not continue to ignore it, because anyone who thinks we are OK on the OLine must be dreaming.
WE know Pugh should be OK, we also have high hopes that Schwartz will be OK. Beatty stunk last season and also broke his leg at the very end of the season. Snee has not played in almost as long as Walton, and is coming off 2 hip surgeries, and then there is Walton. We have other players that we hope develop into players now, the two I am thinking of are Brewer and Mosley. Now we can hope they are ready, and they may be, but we just do not know this.
The very least we must do is if we do not add another vet that can play the position, Boothe would have been a great signing, but Reese ignored it, I just hope he trades down in the first round, picks up Martin, who could play guard, and then gets the center from USC, I believe his name is Martin also.
if the Giants are waiting for Finley to get medical clearance. Really can't see them wasting the first pick on Ebron who is a good receiver but somewhat challenged when it comes to blocking.
on what McAdoo wants to do with his TEs and how willing Coughlin is to rethink his offense philosophy.
If they're going to stick with the same kinds of offense TC and Gilbride ran, where the tight end must be a strong run blocker and is not a featured receiver, then it makes no sense to draft two of them, and it probably doesn't make a lot of sense for them to draft Ebron or Amaro. Remember how Shockey chafed in TC's offense?
But if they want a Jimmy Graham type who often splits out wide and is more of a big wide receiver than a lineman, then yes, you could absolutely see the Giants taking Ebron or Amaro. If they also want to use a more traditional TE in some situations, and they're dissatisfied with Robinson and Donnell, then yes, you could see them take another TE later.
Until we know how they're thinking about the position, and the offense as a whole, I don't think we can know what their draft strategy will be.
While TE is the most glaring need, I don't think the team has the luxury or drafting more than one.
I think the team MUST come away from this draft with a WR, DE, DT, TE, and at least one o-linemen (possibly two). Besides those glaring spots, they could also use a RB, LB and CB. With only 6 picks in the draft, there isn't room to take more than one TE unless Reese is able to trade down and accumulate a lot more selections.
I would not draft a TE until the oline gets fixed. Unless they get an oline in place that can protect Eli nothing else matters. Last year proved how important it is to keep the pressure off Eli.
I do not think Fiedorwicz will make it to the 4th round. He seems to have a bit of name recognition in a variety of articles I've read on the draft. He is supposed to be the #1 blocking TE in this draft.
I'd rather use the pick to get another LB, CB,or OL
Think about this, reese drafted jpp when we had osi, tuck, and kiwi. We are extremely thin at DE including jpp. That wouldn't surprise me.
Definitely not drafting 2 tightends though.
Take one in a later round and call it a day.
Of course it doesn't look as good now that Hernandez is a murderer and Gronkowski can't stay on the field, but for a while it was a great draft.
2) With Connor and Hynoski still on the roster I think the Giants will be using a lot less TE as FB which will limit the number of 2 TE sets me use
3) Someone like Fedo is more of an inline TE in the Jake Ballard mold, not someone you split out wide so it is really not useful in covering up the fact that we are thin at WR and I am not sure you want to use a 1st or 2nd Round pick on a guy who will be used like Jared Cook (since Fedo would be doing more of the inline blocking)
4) It is a really strong WR draft so we can land one or two guys there in the middle to late rounds who may end up contributing more than another TE
Of course it doesn't look as good now that Hernandez is a murderer and Gronkowski can't stay on the field, but for a while it was a great draft.
Pats also had much fewer needs and essentially relied on the O to outscore their opponents, which is not a luxury we have even if we drafted entirely offense with this draft
most teams carry 3 tight ends, with a lot of two tight end sets. the giants don't have 1 tight end. and please don't tell me you're counting on adrien robinson.
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but the Pats did ok for a while with Gronkowski in the 2nd and Hernandez in the 4th on 2010.
Of course it doesn't look as good now that Hernandez is a murderer and Gronkowski can't stay on the field, but for a while it was a great draft.
Pats also had much fewer needs and essentially relied on the O to outscore their opponents, which is not a luxury we have even if we drafted entirely offense with this draft
I agree. just saying the thought of a team drafting two TE's isn't outlandish. And the 2009 Pats were not a very strong team.
They went 10 - 6 and lost in the divisional playoff round to the Ravens - at home.
Their 2010 draft filled a bunch of holes with McCourty, Gronk, Hernandez, Spikes, etc. all playing a lot as rookies.
In comment 11577281 ANGPASS said:
Think about this, reese drafted jpp when we had osi, tuck, and kiwi. We are extremely thin at DE including jpp. That wouldn't surprise me.
Definitely not drafting 2 tightends though.
and not rule out the free agents
when is Aaron Hernandez up for parole?
WE know Pugh should be OK, we also have high hopes that Schwartz will be OK. Beatty stunk last season and also broke his leg at the very end of the season. Snee has not played in almost as long as Walton, and is coming off 2 hip surgeries, and then there is Walton. We have other players that we hope develop into players now, the two I am thinking of are Brewer and Mosley. Now we can hope they are ready, and they may be, but we just do not know this.
The very least we must do is if we do not add another vet that can play the position, Boothe would have been a great signing, but Reese ignored it, I just hope he trades down in the first round, picks up Martin, who could play guard, and then gets the center from USC, I believe his name is Martin also.
I want more OLine, One of the Big Body WRs, DE and DT all before TE.
No thanks we already hit our quota for players with neck surgery
If they're going to stick with the same kinds of offense TC and Gilbride ran, where the tight end must be a strong run blocker and is not a featured receiver, then it makes no sense to draft two of them, and it probably doesn't make a lot of sense for them to draft Ebron or Amaro. Remember how Shockey chafed in TC's offense?
But if they want a Jimmy Graham type who often splits out wide and is more of a big wide receiver than a lineman, then yes, you could absolutely see the Giants taking Ebron or Amaro. If they also want to use a more traditional TE in some situations, and they're dissatisfied with Robinson and Donnell, then yes, you could see them take another TE later.
Until we know how they're thinking about the position, and the offense as a whole, I don't think we can know what their draft strategy will be.
3OLs, 3DEs and 3 tight ends.
keep in mind, many draftees in the NFL don't last sooo...yes.
if you did that and ended up with only 2 good to great OLs, 2 nfl quality DEs and 2 TEs that would have been a great draft.
While TE is the most glaring need, I don't think the team has the luxury or drafting more than one.
I think the team MUST come away from this draft with a WR, DE, DT, TE, and at least one o-linemen (possibly two). Besides those glaring spots, they could also use a RB, LB and CB. With only 6 picks in the draft, there isn't room to take more than one TE unless Reese is able to trade down and accumulate a lot more selections.
that's down to TE, OL and DE,
I thought the dire need was at tight end, but that's just me. Everywhere else we can live with what we have.
I do not think Fiedorwicz will make it to the 4th round. He seems to have a bit of name recognition in a variety of articles I've read on the draft. He is supposed to be the #1 blocking TE in this draft.
It looks like he hasn't been signed yet, so it is possible.
Maybe a pass-catching TE in Rd 2 or 3, and a seriously good blocking TE in Rd 4 or 5?