Markus Kuhn

to keep him around despite doing about as much as Marvin Austin ever did.

He is not good. At this point S. Rodgers is a better player at 36 and broken down

If the Giants have to go into this year with Kuhn as a guy who gets a lot of snaps, there is serious trouble DT

Actually he was pretty good his rookie year.

He's the D-Line version of Brewer. Stiff city.

Didn't Kuhn, in very limited snaps lead the 2012 ny giants in passes knocked down at the line of scrimmage?

And neither does anyone else. He showed well enough as a very raw rookie and was in injury recovery mode last year. However, given that the Giants have not signed a DT, let a starting DT go and currently have Kuhn as the 3rd DT, maybe they know something about him.

I thought he showed some potential his rookie year....last year was a lost year

about Kuhn? Those posts were hilarious.

Roster fodder, nothing more.

They were pretty high on him and he was playing when well when those around him were not due to various reasons (e.g., Canty - injury).

Then he got hurt. His career was nothing like Marvin Austin's who never showed much of anything.

Probably a decent guy for the rotation. Doubt Rogers will be back, although Jenkins and maybe Patterson will be.

why keep him around as the 5th DT, when they have never had 5 DTs on the roster?

In comment 11578681 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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to keep him around despite doing about as much as Marvin Austin ever did.

They aren't paying him what they paid Austin. And he did more for the Giants his rookie year than Marvin did his entire time here.

That said, he hasn't showed himself to be starter material thus far.

The guy knocked down a few passes. Hurray. He wasn't much of a pass rusher and was often blown off the line in run defense.

Oh, and he's still considered a raw player at age 28.

They kept him on the roster all last year even though he didn't play. The again, they kept a bunch a bums at OL so maybe there is an issue somewhere else.

Giants give their draft picks a lot of time to prove themselves or fail..sometimes too much time.

I got $5 bucks says Kuhn isn't even on the team by 2015...any takers?

11 games played, 10 combined tackles
15 games played, 9 combined tackles

Just to get Kuhn back on the active roster. And they did that even though he sucked. But all the naysayers here know so much more than the Giants FO and coaches do.

to IR Rogers or Kuhn. They activated Kuhn. Guy projects to be a rotational player in 2014.

project, who made the roster. He actually saw playing time his rookie year. He then suffered a massive injury, and still found his way onto the active roster.

Maybe he'll turn out to be a reasonably solid player. Maybe he won't. But to simply dismiss him at this point, when the coaches have obviously saw something in him, is just idiotic.

It's an important year for him.

I seriously doubt the Giants staff were happy with his progress based solely on a few batted down passes. If he's in position to bat down passes he's probably doing a fairly effective job of pass rushing. And, he held up well against the run - and again, this is evaluating his performance as a rookie. A rookie who came to the game late - again, he was the 5th DT - they never keep 5 DTs, so there must be something they saw in him.

From what I saw of Kuhn, he was effective while in the rotation, stopping the run and rushing the QB. I don't know how much bulk/strength he added or how it effects his quickness or speed but, we would not have kept him around if he were sub-par and his price is right.

In comment 11578683 stretch234 said:

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He is not good. At this point S. Rodgers is a better player at 36 and broken down If the Giants have to go into this year with Kuhn as a guy who gets a lot of snaps, there is serious trouble DT

rotational guy - those guys are very important, especially as the season wears on.

rookie. He was out last year with injury

to show what he's got in camp, or JR signs 2 DTs post camp cuts(or drafts a day1)

The Giants have toted around several useless players for multiple seasons. DJ Ware hung around forever and that guy was awful. Sorry, the fact that this staff keeps the guy around doesn't prove much of anything.

In comment 11578687 Emlen'sGremlins said:

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He's the D-Line version of Brewer. Stiff city.

I believe the coaching staff would disagree with your dollar general opinion.

In comment 11578772 Greg from LI said:

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The Giants have toted around several useless players for multiple seasons. DJ Ware hung around forever and that guy was awful. Sorry, the fact that this staff keeps the guy around doesn't prove much of anything.

Don't agree. Too quick to judge. Not saying he will amount to anything, but he did play reasonably well as a rookie, and the Giants activated him last season despite knowing he probably wouldn't play much. They obviously wanted to keep him for at least one more season. Add in that we let Patterson go, and apparently have no interest in resigning him, which is a mistake IMO.

Kuhn was a seventh round pick who came to football late. A classic Jerry "project" pick. But Ross said the Giants had a fourth round grade on him.

Again, he may not amount to anything, but he's shown enough to justify what the Giants did to keep him for another year. He could be a decent rotational end.

1st round grade on Nassib.

I don't think our scouting dept. got out of elementary school with these grades...

that is quite optimistic about this guy.

I thought he was a impressive as a rookie, most of the time he was taking on double teams. For a 7th rd project thats great. The FO has kept him over Rogers. I think he has a spot on this team, even if as a rotational player, I think he is very serviceable. I'd like to think he can build on what he started as a rookie despite being out of the game for awhile.

He is stout, very strong with very good leverage. Clearly he also does exactly what they ask of him. He doesn't make flashy plays, but he doesn't get pushed back like he's on roller skates, he holds his POA really well. Great rotational guy if he comes back to his prior form pre-injury.

question mark going into 2014. Let's see how the preseason games shake out. I have no great expectations, but I'm willing to be surprised.

I fundamentally agree with Greg on LI that he was pretty worthless as a rookie other than a couple of batted down passes. Most of the time he was getting pushed around or was running around chasing the play, which really isn't surprising considering that he was a rookie with limited football background.

But he does show some potential to be a rotational-caliber NFL DT, and as a younger (relatively speaking) and less expensive DL draftee (the GIANTS don't like to give up on draftees), it is no surprise that they kept him around.

This should be the year that we find out if he is a player or a pretender.

In comment 11578808 Jimmy Googs said:

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1st round grade on Nassib. I don't think our scouting dept. got out of elementary school with these grades...

Yet, notice that they weren't taken there. Nassib has played about 14 seconds of NFL football but people want to run him out already. And I agree with those that saw some flashes from Kuhn.

He didn't play that much, but I remember several times watching him get driven backwards several yards on running plays.

I can understand why he's still on the team. He's only going into his 3rd year and they are going to give him until the end of his contract to prove whatever they saw in him when they drafted him.

The Danny Ware thing was weird though. Head scratcher.

He is a big dude without being fat, he's strong as well as athletic. I didn't look at him and think Ndamukong Suh.... lol when watching him but when he kept his technique together he was holding his POA really well, even when double-teamed.

Anyway

In comment 11578694 Greg from LI said:

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about Kuhn? Those posts were hilarious. Roster fodder, nothing more.

You might be thinking of Great White Homophobe.. I know he loves Kuhn.

In comment 11578839 Randy in CT said:

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In comment 11578808 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: 1st round grade on Nassib. I don't think our scouting dept. got out of elementary school with these grades... Yet, notice that they weren't taken there. Nassib has played about 14 seconds of NFL football but people want to run him out already. And I agree with those that saw some flashes from Kuhn.

I don't want to run Nassib anywhere. I am just making light of the post-draft rhetoric from our Front Office repeated here on BBI. My guess is the Giants have about 50+ players graded for each round even though only 32 are taken in order for these to be true.

that alone tells you the Giants coaches have a much higher opinion of him then the morons on this Board who think bashing players on the Giants' roster makes them sound like experts.

I agree about Ware...but Kuhn was far more disruptive.....and better than you claim

Will see what happens

In comment 11578995 WillieYoung said:

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that alone tells you the Giants coaches have a much higher opinion of him then the morons on this Board who think bashing players on the Giants' roster makes them sound like experts.

He played as a rookie out of necessity due to injury. 2012 was the year the Giants DT situation was horrific, which prompted them to sign Jenkins, Patterson, and Rodgers in the '13 offseason.

That's close to what happened. Rogers was actually signed going into 2012, but had a heath (blood clot? ) issue and spent the year on IR.

In comment 11579054 aquidneck said:

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That's close to what happened. Rogers was actually signed going into 2012, but had a heath (blood clot? ) issue and spent the year on IR.

Yes, he was supposed to play but didn't. The Giants had Canty, Joseph, Bernard, Austin, and Kuhn on the roster for 2012.

Bernard was mediocre for the parts of the year he wasn't hurt, Canty was hurt for parts of the year, and Joseph played through injuries and had a down year. This pushed them to put Kuhn and Austin on the field.

he could end up being an important part of the d-line this year. He's had a couple of years to develop now since being drafted, recover from his injury, get stronger, etc.


Develop? What? Film? You develop by playing....he is another prospect that is double teamed all the time?....5 tackles, 4 assists, in 15 games.....some of those tackles must have been awesome....

Another one of those picks that looks like a football player, more than he plays like one.....

As for why he is hanging around?.....the Giants are famous for that.....they have had players on the roster year after year, and then finally cut ties....he certainly looks like one......7th rounders have to make plays to justify them staying on the team.....sticking your hand up hoping the QB hits it, means he should rush only on third down....

In comment 11578826 beatrixkiddo said:

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that is quite optimistic about this guy. I thought he was a impressive as a rookie, most of the time he was taking on double teams. For a 7th rd project thats great. The FO has kept him over Rogers. I think he has a spot on this team, even if as a rotational player, I think he is very serviceable. I'd like to think he can build on what he started as a rookie despite being out of the game for awhile.

" ... most of the time he was taking on double teams."

These guys who just see him getting pushed back keep forgetting to mention this, and see any value in it ... or if they aren't seeing it, that speaks for itself.

If you can't find a higher draft pick to be an early-hater of, and throw up red flags about, then you are going about your reputation-building as a scout/GM the wrong way. What you should be talking about is how you spotted Austin as a dud and are glad he finally got dumped (and have the threads to prove it).

there is no reason to believe he hasn't, I think he is a definite contributor on our DL this year as a rotational tackle. The guy has excellent size, quickness and strength. All he needs is to continue to gain more NFL experience and you can only do that by playing. I think the Giants see much they like in his potential as a back-up DT.

In comment 11578703 Greg from LI said:

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The guy knocked down a few passes. Hurray. He wasn't much of a pass rusher and was often blown off the line in run defense. Oh, and he's still considered a raw player at age 28.

Just made up bullshit. Noone blew him off the line. You must be talking about shaun rodgers. Kuhn was taking double teams most snaps. You need to get your eyes checked.

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In comment 11578838 Red Dog said:

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I fundamentally agree with Greg on LI that he was pretty worthless as a rookie other than a couple of batted down passes. Most of the time he was getting pushed around or was running around chasing the play, which really isn't surprising considering that he was a rookie with limited football background. But he does show some potential to be a rotational-caliber NFL DT, and as a younger (relatively speaking) and less expensive DL draftee (the GIANTS don't like to give up on draftees), it is no surprise that they kept him around. This should be the year that we find out if he is a player or a pretender.

Nah, that's really not whatb happenned, you are thinking of someone else. Kuhn didn't get pushed around, period.

In comment 11579148 Greg from LI said:

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At least I can keep track of who I think is a schmuck around here.

He played well in 2012 in a pinch and is cheap and a very hard worker so it's worth a longer look,he is big so he can stuff the middle and let linebackers do their work.I think the Giants have a tendacy to keep their own too long so they could not be called for a mistake in the draft but not in this case he is a 7th rounder so it's not like we blew a second or third rounder on him.Nobody really knows how good he can be now until we see him this year.I see we have some people here that can give me lotto numbers too,LOL,he is worth the look .He is extremely strong and had a small time with knowledge of the game so his upside when he gets it should be better than most so he defintely is worth a look ,that being said I sign Paterson because I really liked him.