Who was your fav TE after Bavaro

was a thing of beauty. He was insanely fast YAC for a tight end.

Man I wish I could find it...there's a clip on Youtube somewhere of Giants vs (I think?) Colts and it has some Shockey clips that are amazing. He flies through defenders toward the endzone.

You can't just blame it on his attitude. He was severely affected by injuries throughout his career. And for a guy who was a fierce competitor, I'm sure it killed him.

Great Giant. Great commentator too. Seems like a really stand up guy too.

In comment 11579462 yatqb said:

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and ran the right routes.

And in turn his QB got him killed.

Bob Tucker

He was the best.

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Tucker

absolutely, how is he not on the list? he was Bavaro before Bavaro

Shockey, absolutely no doubt.

However, it would be hard to find a more juvenile, jerk. He could have been a great one if he had let someone on the Giants guide him, but he didn't. So I guess you have to add stupid to the list.

The guy came off the PS and helped us win a championship. Can't forget his catches against the Pats in the regular season. Guts and glory.

would have been nice to have him during his prime, but, I thought he played hard.

Shocker

A meathead, sure, but he was exciting as a player.

A shame he gets overlooked or forgotten by so many fans

just kidding around....clearly Shockey.

That catch over Brian Dawkins alone puts him at the top...

re-read the OP. AFTER BAVARO. No one's overlooking him, because he's outside the very clear parameters.

Shockey
Bennett
Cross
Pete Mitchell
Visante Shiancoe (too bad we didn't find ways to get him and Shockey on the field together more often. once he got his shot, he really blossomed in Minny)

I always envisioned and even proclaimed that shockey would be the one catching that Eli to Tyree pass in the Super Bowl. But tyree will do just fine...

I was certain that shockey would retire as a NYG legend. Loved his fire and talent and I still think things could have and should have been different here if the right coach and QB were directing #80 throughout his career here. Oh well...

But then again, it's not like shockey was an old fart when Eli and coughlin came aboard. Shockey was a tool. No excuses I was wrong about him.

Shockey was really something......but he was a maverick....he could have been something special....

as "after Bavaro" to mean everybody other than Bavaro since he is likely everybody's favorite. Not to mean in a timeline sense.

Bob Tucker

had to clean his oven when I was pledging the fraternity. hated it when he got traded to the Vikings. He and Tarketon were a great combo.

In comment 11579631 Overseer said:

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was a thing of beauty. He was insanely fast YAC for a tight end. Man I wish I could find it...there's a clip on Youtube somewhere of Giants vs (I think?) Colts and it has some Shockey clips that are amazing. He flies through defenders toward the endzone. You can't just blame it on his attitude. He was severely affected by injuries throughout his career. And for a guy who was a fierce competitor, I'm sure it killed him.

What's quite rich about that hit David Gibson, the safety that Shockey ran over, was that he was actually trash talking about Shockey prior to the game. He said something that he wasn't Tony Gonzalez, Ok maybe he wasn't lying, but he sure paid for it!

Bavaro easily at peak value. Madden couldn't believe that the Giants assigned Bavaro, a TE, to run block Dexter Manley during the Dec 86 game at RFK. Bavaro owned him. at the end of the game when Phil was taking a knee the Redskin defenders kidded Bavaro to let Dexter through so he coukd get a sack. Shockey second. Good blocking. Great threat as both a possession & downfield receiver. Destroyed Lavar Arrington one game in DC when the Redskin backer bragged beforehand that he would neutralize Shockey. Then...Bob Tucker, although he couldn't block. Next Aaron Thomas, who was more of a wide receiver. Howard Cross who couldn't catch but blocked like a tackle. Honorable mention: Zeke Mowatt basically for 1 season. And a guy named Gary Shirk, who I think was a UFL refugee. Not a great talent but an overachiever who set the team record for receptions during one game, at that point, against the Saints. I got engaged the morning of that game. Neither the marriage nor Shirk's record would last . I think Bavaro might have broken it against the loss to the Bengals when Phill threw for about 500.

Very great post

In comment 11579571 SanFranGiantsFan said:

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And anyone listing 'Brandon Myers' is either A) drunk or B) screwing around.

I think you pretty much got it

best TE ever

Shirk


how the hell isnt Al Dixon or Richie Kotite on the list

Bob Tucker was # 2 after Bavaro to me

He did everything well, starting late as a rookie when asked to fill Shockey's rather enormous shoes and tiny skull. His knowledge of the O, even as a rookie, surpassed Shockey's after shockey had been in the system for years, and allowed Gillbride to dial up more variations which IMO were crucial to a miraculous SB run, and were the keys to Eli finally living up to his promise (for a while) as an "elite" QB...

Have we successfully run a WR bubble screen (like we did to Nicks and Manningham)since Boss left? He and Steve Smith were such "all-team" guys, who blocked their hearts out even if they weren't the most naturally talented blockers - or even players. He knew how to keep David Diehl protected to such an extent that DD actually made a pro-bowl, too!

Zeke Mowatt was a better player, however briefly, and Tucker a far better receiver (but not blocker) but Boss was a great team guy and a key element to the SB run. For a while Boss was one of the guys helping to drive the bus, not just a passenger.

zeke mowatt

Cross..Didn't he nab 4 passes in SB XXV?

Then there is Mowatt, who if he never got hurt, may have never even opened the door for Bavaro. Mowatt was an excellent all around TE in his own right. After him it is Shockey, then Cross, then a huge drop off.

Shockey could have had a better run, and to be fair - they probably could have used his talents more effectively.

He had the U talent and mouth, but was undisciplined.

Don't the talent and lack of discipline generally go hand in hand for Miami players?

6-3, 240, ran like a WR.
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for Mowatt.

depending on your perspective Obviously there was nobody like Bavaro. No one even comes close. I would say Zeke Mowatt but they played together. I wish I could say Shockey but he was a dickhead with a ton of talent who couldn't stay healthy and we all know the drill.

Howard Cross was a team player and a great blocker but didn't get a lot of passes thrown his way. Then there's Kevin Boss. He turned out to be a good blocker. And a team player who took some hellacious hits when catching the ball over the middle. Who can forget him rumbling down the field in the fourth quarter of Super Bowl 46 that started the ball rolling towards that epic win.

Above all the rest for me it has to be the Boss man. Kevin Boss. I was sad that the Giants didn't re-sign him but overall his career wasn't that long because he had quite a few concussions and that really did spell the end of his playing days.

was great with Bavaro. Shockey in his rookie year. After that not so much. Howard Cross and then Dan Campbell.

although he certainly wasn't a skilled receiver, he wasn't totally worthless. He definitely could make a timely catch, even in the endzone. Add that to his amazing blocking and the fact the he was virtually always healthy...he was a damn nice Tight End for New York.

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He did everything well, starting late as a rookie when asked to fill Shockey's rather enormous shoes and tiny skull. His knowledge of the O, even as a rookie, surpassed Shockey's after shockey had been in the system for years, and allowed Gillbride to dial up more variations which IMO were crucial to a miraculous SB run, and were the keys to Eli finally living up to his promise (for a while) as an "elite" QB... Have we successfully run a WR bubble screen (like we did to Nicks and Manningham)since Boss left? He and Steve Smith were such "all-team" guys, who blocked their hearts out even if they weren't the most naturally talented blockers - or even players. He knew how to keep David Diehl protected to such an extent that DD actually made a pro-bowl, too! Zeke Mowatt was a better player, however briefly, and Tucker a far better receiver (but not blocker) but Boss was a great team guy and a key element to the SB run. For a while Boss was one of the guys helping to drive the bus, not just a passenger.

look at Boss's numbers vs Mowatt, Boss was the better player.

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was great with Bavaro. Shockey in his rookie year. After that not so much. Howard Cross and then Dan Campbell.

Yea, I would have to add Boss. And in fact, might actually rank him 2nd behind Bavaro.

Then Shockey almost 500 yds more in same period of time, both played 6 years for NY.

Then Cross

As an aside, for anyone interested, Howard Cross has more receiving yds as a tight end for the Giants than anyone not named Bavaro or Shockey. Just thought I'd mention that, for those who think he never caught any passes.

Kevin Boss is fourth on the list, and incidentally, 4th all time in rcv yards as a TE for the giants, ahead of Mowatt, Cambell, McConkey etc etc.

I never saw Tucker play, but it looks like he belongs at #3 all time behind Bavaro and Shockey.

In comment 11580364 Matt M. said:

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Then there is Mowatt, who if he never got hurt, may have never even opened the door for Bavaro. Mowatt was an excellent all around TE in his own right. After him it is Shockey, then Cross, then a huge drop off.

Boss has more receiving yds than Mowatt, and I think he was a better blocker as well.

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in no particular order.

agreed

Mullady

Just think of how good Shockey could have beenif he wished to be,#38 Bob Tucker,#89 Mark Bavaro, Howard Cross was an outstanding blocker...

In comment 11580550 baadbill said:
[quote] was great with Bavaro. Shockey in his rookie year. After that not so much. Howard Cross and then Dan Campbell. [/quoWhat did Dan Campbell ever do for the Giants???

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In comment 11580550 baadbill said: [quote] was great with Bavaro. Shockey in his rookie year. After that not so much. Howard Cross and then Dan Campbell. [/quoWhat did Dan Campbell ever do for the Giants???

Gnts, I really liked Campbell. A very strong blocker, maybe one of the best blocking TE the Giants have had ... and while not blessed with great speed, he made some clutch catches to move the chains.

Just went back and read some about Campbell ... first of all, I thought he played for the Giants longer than he did. Secondly, although I knew he as primarily a blocking TE, I didn't realize just how few catches he had. So, while I still think he was a great blocking TE (basically an extra lineman), he was more one dimensional than I recalled.

When he got that first down against the Eagles with no helmet on, I list my damn mind

Shirk. Guy played hard during some lean years.

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