Only way he plays is if Eli gets hurt God forbid. Then he would have to get to a Super Bowl for the Giants to be able to get anything for him. Backup QB's are a dime a dozen. Never understood wasting a fourth round pick on him.
but you are in the right train of thought. This is why I love the Nassib pick, especially in rd 4. But he should get plenty of burn this preseason, if he can play well enough to unseat Painter, then they can go 2 QBs and save a roster spot.
If he lights up preseason, then he will essentially be trade bait until his walk year. Someone Reese can just keep listening to offers to until he gets the right one. Of course this is all predicated on him playing well in limited snaps.
played with on the worst second unit OL's in the league last year. He had no time to throw, in any game he played. I don't think you trade him, I personally liked the pick and think he's an investment that will reap future rewards.
You need to give him more time to either build value or play him.
And remember, not only can he save a roster spot, but
let me see if I got this straight. You have a Rookie QB playing behind a third string line on a team whose 1st string line was the worst in football playing a limited number of snaps throwing to guys who are now working in a supermarket and we know what his value is as a QB? Got it
He was a 4th and a 6 round pick Giants moved up to pick him. That is not a lot of value for a 3rd string QB who can't beat out Curtis painter of all people.
let me see if I got this straight. You have a Rookie QB playing behind a third string line on a team whose 1st string line was the worst in football playing a limited number of snaps throwing to guys who are now working in a supermarket and we know what his value is as a QB? Got it
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I'm worried that if Bridgewater falls the Giants use the
You want to get rid of him already before one snap? Scratching head. Wasn't he projected to be a possible first round draft choice last year by some?
He wasn't projected as a first round pick by all 32 NFL teams. He wasn't projected as a second round pick either. The NFL is a quarterback hungry league and he lasted to the fourth round for a reason.
you take all the information available and you weigh in factors and come up with a conclusion that you can explain and defend. Here, just throw it out there and say it with conviction based on who knows what?, but say it like it's the surest thing you know
Ross is job. Since Ross came aboard our drafts have gone done hill. He hasn't proved he can draft well since he took over. Can he actually draft a class that produces? Reese proved it when he had the position. Hell, Reese proved it in 2007 doing TWO positions, GM and his original, Director of College Scouting. How about Ross actually draft well and help this franchise?
You want to get rid of him already before one snap? Scratching head. Wasn't he projected to be a possible first round draft choice last year by some?
He wasn't projected as a first round pick by all 32 NFL teams. He wasn't projected as a second round pick either. The NFL is a quarterback hungry league and he lasted to the fourth round for a reason.
There were a lot of draft publications and websites that had Nassib as a 2nd round prospect. Soooo, you're wrong.
you take all the information available and you weigh in factors and come up with a conclusion that you can explain and defend. Here, just throw it out there and say it with conviction based on who knows what?, but say it like it's the surest thing you know
Stop making, you know, sense and valid points Head. Nassib suxxd.
but maybe if we added the 1st round pick we got from New Orleans.....
- The Giants certainly saved Ryan from the "David Carr" experience
- I think he would do better in a faster paced, less complex offense, like Marone had at the 'Cuse compared to the KG multiple read, slow to develop scheme. (although he seems to be smarter than the average QB bear.) Depends on who wins the TC-McAdoo tug of war.
- My guess is that Nassib will not be a bust.
he could be a career backup nothing more, he could be a solid starter, he could be a star. I dont have an inkling based on 4 weeks last summer. I haven't read anything coming from the coaching staff or management once the season started, haven't read anything recently. I am as curious as the next guy at what we have.
You want to get rid of him already before one snap? Scratching head. Wasn't he projected to be a possible first round draft choice last year by some?
He wasn't projected as a first round pick by all 32 NFL teams. He wasn't projected as a second round pick either. The NFL is a quarterback hungry league and he lasted to the fourth round for a reason.
There were a lot of draft publications and websites that had Nassib as a 2nd round prospect. Soooo, you're wrong.
I didn't say anything about draft publications or guys sitting in their recliners at home. I'm saying no NFL teams had him rated as a first or second rounder based on him being drafted in the fourth round. It's a quarterback hungry league and he went right where he was supposed to go.
I'm not knocking his future prospects, I'm just not buying that we magically stole this quasi-first round quarterback from the rest of the league with our fourth round pick.
HH, Painter was with the Giants for the first year also
and had to learn the same new system. Obviously, he's got an edge being a vet. But there are rookie QBs with first or second round talent who start their first year. The fact that he couldn't compete with Painter doesn't mean that he won't develop into a fine QB. But it's nothing in his favor, either. The jury is still out, big time. If he can't move ahead of Painter this year he was pretty much a wasted pick. And I'm a guy who bought into the pick when it was made cause I'm not sure Eli will be around as long as others think.
that they liked Nassib better than Painter, but for Nassib's growth they didn't want to throw him to the wolves because they didn't have to? I dont know the answer to that,but neither do you.
You want to get rid of him already before one snap? Scratching head. Wasn't he projected to be a possible first round draft choice last year by some?
He wasn't projected as a first round pick by all 32 NFL teams. He wasn't projected as a second round pick either. The NFL is a quarterback hungry league and he lasted to the fourth round for a reason.
A couple of pundits had 1st round grades on Nassib (which is probably why they're pundits and not NFL GMs).
Russ Lande was one of them, in fact I think Nassib was #1 on his big board.
Drew Boylhart was another. 1st round grade on his talent board, and he called Nassib "the sleeper QB of the draft."
By comparison, Corey Chavous had a 3rd round grade on him, likened him to a poor man's Andy Dalton.
Last year, it was both sad and funny watching Nassib in the preseason. I don't think he had more than one second after the ball was snapped before he had multiple defenders in his face.
Just because a team has a certain grade on a player and he is available doesn't mean they will draft him. Other players, at needed positions, also drop.
From everything I heard last year, TC makes personnel decisions based on how guys do in practice. So apparently Nassib did nothing in practice to move ahead of Painter on the depth chart. TC never dressed him for a game. So either he didn't grow much in the chances he had, or TC didn't allow him the room to grow by not giving him many reps. Hopefully, he'll move up this spring/summer. But if Painter stays on the roster into the regular season, that is not a good sign.
And no. No one will pay up for a guy that wore a baseball cap all season with virtually no experience, especially one that got used to one offense and would have to learn a brand new one in such a short time.
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but it's getting closer to draft time so the price has gone up. The first person that brings me king crag legs and a lobster tail owns Ryan Nassib. Melted butter or a house salad gets you Curtis Painter also.
how Nassib is such a horrible pick. He was a good college QB and projected to be a possible starting NFL QB. I would be willing to bet he shows more this preseason in McAdoo's offense. I dont think there is an offense that is more complicated and rookie-prohibitive than Gilbride;s offense, throw in TCs tendency to only play rookies if absolutely necessary and we see Painter in mop up last season. I loved that. I am patient enough to see if he can play, and I dont think taking him was a bad pick, at least it cant be determined a bad pick at this point.
Ross is job. Since Ross came aboard our drafts have gone done hill. He hasn't proved he can draft well since he took over. Can he actually draft a class that produces? Reese proved it when he had the position. Hell, Reese proved it in 2007 doing TWO positions, GM and his original, Director of College Scouting. How about Ross actually draft well and help this franchise?
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One of them was NOT playing Nassib at least parts of games when the Giants were eliminated. It would have helped the kid get experience and not allowed our starting QB to receive a totally unnecessary injury.
I hope Nassib gets his snaps this year, in practice of course.
I think drafting him will turn out to be an excellent move. If and when Eli gets injured, you need someone good to replace him. Not someone like Painter.
And it probably came from Coughlin not to play young guys when the team all ready had clear starters. Linval Joseph spent an entire year on the innactive list.
He was a second rdc, played a position that doesn't get the scrutiny of an NFL QB and it turns out he's on a path to a pretty good career.
Mara was pissed that we didn't play the young guys more in '13, but I'm not sure that extends to Nassib unless in mop-up duty over Painter.
If and this is a big if, the Giants stole him in the 4th round like
they want us to believe than there could be a team that had 1st or 2nd round value on him in the draft. If that team was in need of a QB it might be possible but unlikely. QB is one position that alot of GM's are willing to pony up and pay a steep price to aquire the player they want. Traditionally some of the dumbest trades have involved QB's so its not as preposterous as other posters seem to think, just unlikely.
you don't get someone interested in a QB, if he doesn't play, and show what he can do....even one game wonders, get a sniff from the owners....look at Matt Flynn, after the game he had against the Patriots....he was going to be the future of the Seahawks....holding a clip board does nothing....
I think it is imperative, that he becomes the backup this year, and the Giants carry only two qb's....if they don't, then they wasted two picks to get Nassib, and they will have wasted an extra roster spot, last year and this year....If that happens again, in Reese we trust?
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why he didn't get time with the first team in preseason games...It just makes no sense at all to me.
Carr had playing time behind the #1 line, and we didn't even keep him....
When you spend a 4th rounder on a QB, he should be getting every non Eli snap this yr. I can understand not throwing him to the wolves last season but this year there is no reason for him to get snaps behind Painter. Reese should have pulled a moneyball and ensured that by not signing another QB. I hope they have an understanding behind closed doors that Painter is just insurance and not a part of the puzzle.
Eli will be our starter for what 6 more years at least? Longer? Eli is also a guy who thank God seems to always play and never gets injured.
So, when exactly will Nassib see some game action? Is Nassib truly a franchise QB type of player? If he was do you think he would be happy sitting behind Eli for the next 6 years? If we did find a gem in a later round and he proved to be awesome in practice and pre-season... do you really think the Giants would start him over Eli? The answer is NO, so why the fuck are we wasting our time?
We are better off just signing backups with experience (like we have been doing) and save the draft picks for other positions.
Then, when Eli is getting towards the end we can start looking for a new franchise QB to draft. Possibly trade up to get that guy just like we did when we drafted Eli.
We are going to have to agree to disagree on that.
This year is a big year of what kind of Eli we have. If he has a year half as bad this season as last or if we put up 4 wins or less, we have a serious question on out hands. And we cannot renew Eli to reduce his cap hit unless he agreed to take a massive pay cut and it becomes a finance decision. Not to mention, we most likely are blowing up the coaching staff.
But even he has a great year, I don't see six years in the cards.
gets into some games, preseason games with the #1 team and some regular season games as well. b
And I also don't get the Painter re-signing and, quite frankly, will be pissed if Nassib isn't the #2 QB on the team next season.
I mean what the hell is the point of keeping Painter at all...if Eli goes down the season is over anyway. Painter is not going to lead the team to victories. So put in the guy that cost 2 draft picks and lets see if he brings anything to the table.
Give it time. He wasn't taken to replace Eli this year. In fact, I would bet that he doesn't even replace CP and we keep 3 QB's this year as well. With the way starting QB's have gone down recently, there is no guarantee a viable back-up will be on the street. Keeping 3 QB's is smart business right now, IMO. That last roster spot is always held for guys who need to develop. I have no problem W/ that guy being Nassib and I'm not sure why so many do. Most of those guys get cut or released eventually anyway.
And you want people to give up a 3rd rounder? You crazy...
If he lights up preseason, then he will essentially be trade bait until his walk year. Someone Reese can just keep listening to offers to until he gets the right one. Of course this is all predicated on him playing well in limited snaps.
You need to give him more time to either build value or play him.
It's an indication that last year he was a third stringer who couldn't displace a very mediocre second stringer.
Its just a feeling, I've nothing to go on. Lets give the kid a chance to show what he has.
Wait a second here. Maybe if package both of them we could get a 1st round pick! Do it, Jerry!
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He wasn't projected as a first round pick by all 32 NFL teams. He wasn't projected as a second round pick either. The NFL is a quarterback hungry league and he lasted to the fourth round for a reason.
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You want to get rid of him already before one snap? Scratching head. Wasn't he projected to be a possible first round draft choice last year by some?
He wasn't projected as a first round pick by all 32 NFL teams. He wasn't projected as a second round pick either. The NFL is a quarterback hungry league and he lasted to the fourth round for a reason.
There were a lot of draft publications and websites that had Nassib as a 2nd round prospect. Soooo, you're wrong.
Stop making, you know, sense and valid points Head. Nassib suxxd.
- The Giants certainly saved Ryan from the "David Carr" experience
- I think he would do better in a faster paced, less complex offense, like Marone had at the 'Cuse compared to the KG multiple read, slow to develop scheme. (although he seems to be smarter than the average QB bear.) Depends on who wins the TC-McAdoo tug of war.
- My guess is that Nassib will not be a bust.
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You want to get rid of him already before one snap? Scratching head. Wasn't he projected to be a possible first round draft choice last year by some?
He wasn't projected as a first round pick by all 32 NFL teams. He wasn't projected as a second round pick either. The NFL is a quarterback hungry league and he lasted to the fourth round for a reason.
There were a lot of draft publications and websites that had Nassib as a 2nd round prospect. Soooo, you're wrong.
I didn't say anything about draft publications or guys sitting in their recliners at home. I'm saying no NFL teams had him rated as a first or second rounder based on him being drafted in the fourth round. It's a quarterback hungry league and he went right where he was supposed to go.
I'm not knocking his future prospects, I'm just not buying that we magically stole this quasi-first round quarterback from the rest of the league with our fourth round pick.
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You want to get rid of him already before one snap? Scratching head. Wasn't he projected to be a possible first round draft choice last year by some?
He wasn't projected as a first round pick by all 32 NFL teams. He wasn't projected as a second round pick either. The NFL is a quarterback hungry league and he lasted to the fourth round for a reason.
A couple of pundits had 1st round grades on Nassib (which is probably why they're pundits and not NFL GMs).
Russ Lande was one of them, in fact I think Nassib was #1 on his big board.
Drew Boylhart was another. 1st round grade on his talent board, and he called Nassib "the sleeper QB of the draft."
By comparison, Corey Chavous had a 3rd round grade on him, likened him to a poor man's Andy Dalton.
Last year, it was both sad and funny watching Nassib in the preseason. I don't think he had more than one second after the ball was snapped before he had multiple defenders in his face.
That's one NFL team.
Just because a team has a certain grade on a player and he is available doesn't mean they will draft him. Other players, at needed positions, also drop.
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I hope Nassib gets his snaps this year, in practice of course.
I think drafting him will turn out to be an excellent move. If and when Eli gets injured, you need someone good to replace him. Not someone like Painter.
He was a second rdc, played a position that doesn't get the scrutiny of an NFL QB and it turns out he's on a path to a pretty good career.
Mara was pissed that we didn't play the young guys more in '13, but I'm not sure that extends to Nassib unless in mop-up duty over Painter.
I think it is imperative, that he becomes the backup this year, and the Giants carry only two qb's....if they don't, then they wasted two picks to get Nassib, and they will have wasted an extra roster spot, last year and this year....If that happens again, in Reese we trust?
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why he didn't get time with the first team in preseason games...It just makes no sense at all to me.
Carr had playing time behind the #1 line, and we didn't even keep him....
Eli will be our starter for what 6 more years at least? Longer? Eli is also a guy who thank God seems to always play and never gets injured.
So, when exactly will Nassib see some game action? Is Nassib truly a franchise QB type of player? If he was do you think he would be happy sitting behind Eli for the next 6 years? If we did find a gem in a later round and he proved to be awesome in practice and pre-season... do you really think the Giants would start him over Eli? The answer is NO, so why the fuck are we wasting our time?
We are better off just signing backups with experience (like we have been doing) and save the draft picks for other positions.
Then, when Eli is getting towards the end we can start looking for a new franchise QB to draft. Possibly trade up to get that guy just like we did when we drafted Eli.
This year is a big year of what kind of Eli we have. If he has a year half as bad this season as last or if we put up 4 wins or less, we have a serious question on out hands. And we cannot renew Eli to reduce his cap hit unless he agreed to take a massive pay cut and it becomes a finance decision. Not to mention, we most likely are blowing up the coaching staff.
But even he has a great year, I don't see six years in the cards.
And I also don't get the Painter re-signing and, quite frankly, will be pissed if Nassib isn't the #2 QB on the team next season.
I mean what the hell is the point of keeping Painter at all...if Eli goes down the season is over anyway. Painter is not going to lead the team to victories. So put in the guy that cost 2 draft picks and lets see if he brings anything to the table.