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Ryan Nassib?!?!

EliDLINEera : 3/22/2014 5:04 pm
Any chance a team would offer a 3rd round pick for QB Ryan Nassib?
He was a 4th round pick last year  
dep026 : 3/22/2014 5:05 pm : link
didnt show anything worth while during his few snaps in preseason...

And you want people to give up a 3rd rounder? You crazy...
I'm interested to see how he does  
Jolly Blue Giant : 3/22/2014 5:13 pm : link
In the the offensive system.
No. And I still don't understand the pick by the Giants  
Blue21 : 3/22/2014 5:15 pm : link
Only way he plays is if Eli gets hurt God forbid. Then he would have to get to a Super Bowl for the Giants to be able to get anything for him. Backup QB's are a dime a dozen. Never understood wasting a fourth round pick on him.
Wow  
Spock : 3/22/2014 5:15 pm : link
You want to get rid of him already before one snap? Scratching head. Wasn't he projected to be a possible first round draft choice last year by some?
He has to build value before that can happen,  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/22/2014 5:16 pm : link
but you are in the right train of thought. This is why I love the Nassib pick, especially in rd 4. But he should get plenty of burn this preseason, if he can play well enough to unseat Painter, then they can go 2 QBs and save a roster spot.

If he lights up preseason, then he will essentially be trade bait until his walk year. Someone Reese can just keep listening to offers to until he gets the right one. Of course this is all predicated on him playing well in limited snaps.
Nassib  
RAIN : 3/22/2014 5:20 pm : link
played with on the worst second unit OL's in the league last year. He had no time to throw, in any game he played. I don't think you trade him, I personally liked the pick and think he's an investment that will reap future rewards.

You need to give him more time to either build value or play him.
And remember, not only can he save a roster spot, but  
Jim in Forest Hills : 3/22/2014 5:21 pm : link
Painter's salary as well. Really good value pick when you consider it was a 4th.
Oakland  
Archer : 3/22/2014 5:28 pm : link
The Raiders want all of the ex Giants.
Wait a second  
Headhunter : 3/22/2014 5:39 pm : link
let me see if I got this straight. You have a Rookie QB playing behind a third string line on a team whose 1st string line was the worst in football playing a limited number of snaps throwing to guys who are now working in a supermarket and we know what his value is as a QB? Got it
I'm hoping to get a Round 2 pick  
Bill in UT : 3/22/2014 5:47 pm : link
for Robinson. He's done nothing for a year longer than Nassib
Jim  
jtfuoco : 3/22/2014 5:49 pm : link
He was a 4th and a 6 round pick Giants moved up to pick him. That is not a lot of value for a 3rd string QB who can't beat out Curtis painter of all people.
So a Rookie  
Headhunter : 3/22/2014 5:56 pm : link
doesn't beat out a vet in first camp and that is an indication of what?
So a rookie doesn't beat out a vet in first camp and that is  
Bill in UT : 3/22/2014 6:01 pm : link
an indication of what?

It's an indication that last year he was a third stringer who couldn't displace a very mediocre second stringer.
I'm willing to bet that Nassib  
Hammer : 3/22/2014 6:02 pm : link
Turns out to be a pretty good quarterback. I'm not saying he is going to be a star in this league, but I think he'll be good.

Its just a feeling, I've nothing to go on. Lets give the kid a chance to show what he has.
How  
PaulN : 3/22/2014 6:08 pm : link
did his stock rise because of the way he handles the fucking clipboard? Hole Shit!
RE: I'm hoping to get a Round 2 pick  
Klaatu : 3/22/2014 6:10 pm : link
In comment 11581051 Bill in UT said:
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for Robinson. He's done nothing for a year longer than Nassib


Wait a second here. Maybe if package both of them we could get a 1st round pick! Do it, Jerry!
Shocker  
Headhunter : 3/22/2014 6:15 pm : link
rookie 3rd string QB learning new offense with 0 NFL experience can not beat out a Vet for 2nd string. Alert the press!
I think the thread starter...  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 3/22/2014 6:25 pm : link
is really Jerry Reese
Nassib  
weston24 : 3/22/2014 6:28 pm : link
The Guy's a stiff!
I dont know if he is a good QB or a lousy QB  
Headhunter : 3/22/2014 6:31 pm : link
but neither does anyone here. But those that claim to know based on a small sample exemplifies the stupidity that I can count on here.
RE: Wait a second  
nyynyg : 3/22/2014 6:31 pm : link
In comment 11581038 Headhunter said:
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let me see if I got this straight. You have a Rookie QB playing behind a third string line on a team whose 1st string line was the worst in football playing a limited number of snaps throwing to guys who are now working in a supermarket and we know what his value is as a QB? Got it


This. ++ Headhunter
I'm worried that if Bridgewater falls the Giants use the  
#10* : 3/22/2014 6:36 pm : link
too good a value to pass up line with Nassib being a wasted 4th round pick. Wander if any of the LBs panned out who were picked after him.
RE: Wow  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 3/22/2014 6:36 pm : link
In comment 11581005 Spock said:
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You want to get rid of him already before one snap? Scratching head. Wasn't he projected to be a possible first round draft choice last year by some?


He wasn't projected as a first round pick by all 32 NFL teams. He wasn't projected as a second round pick either. The NFL is a quarterback hungry league and he lasted to the fourth round for a reason.
The gift that keeps on  
Headhunter : 3/22/2014 6:38 pm : link
giving
RE: I dont know if he is a good QB or a lousy QB  
oldutican : 3/22/2014 6:41 pm : link
In comment 11581121 Headhunter said:
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but neither does anyone here. But those that claim to know based on a small sample exemplifies the stupidity that I can count on here.


Amen
When making a decision  
Headhunter : 3/22/2014 6:50 pm : link
you take all the information available and you weigh in factors and come up with a conclusion that you can explain and defend. Here, just throw it out there and say it with conviction based on who knows what?, but say it like it's the surest thing you know
As time goes bye  
TMS : 3/22/2014 6:52 pm : link
Nassib and Robinson, along with so many other gambles that did not work, could cost Reese his job; and it should. This year will tell the tale.
It should cost  
AnishPatel : 3/22/2014 6:56 pm : link
Ross is job. Since Ross came aboard our drafts have gone done hill. He hasn't proved he can draft well since he took over. Can he actually draft a class that produces? Reese proved it when he had the position. Hell, Reese proved it in 2007 doing TWO positions, GM and his original, Director of College Scouting. How about Ross actually draft well and help this franchise?
RE: RE: Wow  
Kulish29 : 3/22/2014 6:57 pm : link
In comment 11581130 armsteadeatslittlekids said:
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In comment 11581005 Spock said:


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You want to get rid of him already before one snap? Scratching head. Wasn't he projected to be a possible first round draft choice last year by some?



He wasn't projected as a first round pick by all 32 NFL teams. He wasn't projected as a second round pick either. The NFL is a quarterback hungry league and he lasted to the fourth round for a reason.


There were a lot of draft publications and websites that had Nassib as a 2nd round prospect. Soooo, you're wrong.
RE: When making a decision  
Kulish29 : 3/22/2014 6:58 pm : link
In comment 11581151 Headhunter said:
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you take all the information available and you weigh in factors and come up with a conclusion that you can explain and defend. Here, just throw it out there and say it with conviction based on who knows what?, but say it like it's the surest thing you know


Stop making, you know, sense and valid points Head. Nassib suxxd.
Klaatu, you stole my idea!  
KeoweeFan : 3/22/2014 7:00 pm : link
but maybe if we added the 1st round pick we got from New Orleans.....

- The Giants certainly saved Ryan from the "David Carr" experience
- I think he would do better in a faster paced, less complex offense, like Marone had at the 'Cuse compared to the KG multiple read, slow to develop scheme. (although he seems to be smarter than the average QB bear.) Depends on who wins the TC-McAdoo tug of war.
- My guess is that Nassib will not be a bust.
He could be a turd in the punchbowl  
Headhunter : 3/22/2014 7:06 pm : link
he could be a career backup nothing more, he could be a solid starter, he could be a star. I dont have an inkling based on 4 weeks last summer. I haven't read anything coming from the coaching staff or management once the season started, haven't read anything recently. I am as curious as the next guy at what we have.
RE: RE: RE: Wow  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 3/22/2014 7:07 pm : link
In comment 11581161 Kulish29 said:
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You want to get rid of him already before one snap? Scratching head. Wasn't he projected to be a possible first round draft choice last year by some?



He wasn't projected as a first round pick by all 32 NFL teams. He wasn't projected as a second round pick either. The NFL is a quarterback hungry league and he lasted to the fourth round for a reason.



There were a lot of draft publications and websites that had Nassib as a 2nd round prospect. Soooo, you're wrong.


I didn't say anything about draft publications or guys sitting in their recliners at home. I'm saying no NFL teams had him rated as a first or second rounder based on him being drafted in the fourth round. It's a quarterback hungry league and he went right where he was supposed to go.

I'm not knocking his future prospects, I'm just not buying that we magically stole this quasi-first round quarterback from the rest of the league with our fourth round pick.
HH, Painter was with the Giants for the first year also  
Bill in UT : 3/22/2014 7:10 pm : link
and had to learn the same new system. Obviously, he's got an edge being a vet. But there are rookie QBs with first or second round talent who start their first year. The fact that he couldn't compete with Painter doesn't mean that he won't develop into a fine QB. But it's nothing in his favor, either. The jury is still out, big time. If he can't move ahead of Painter this year he was pretty much a wasted pick. And I'm a guy who bought into the pick when it was made cause I'm not sure Eli will be around as long as others think.
An amazing mount of stupid...  
BMac : 3/22/2014 7:11 pm : link
...on this thread. Seriously, do some of you know a fucking thing about the game?
Don't let your children read this thread.  
CT Charlie : 3/22/2014 7:17 pm : link
The stupid might rub off.
Do you think that it is remotely possible  
Headhunter : 3/22/2014 7:26 pm : link
that they liked Nassib better than Painter, but for Nassib's growth they didn't want to throw him to the wolves because they didn't have to? I dont know the answer to that,but neither do you.
RE: RE: Wow  
Klaatu : 3/22/2014 7:56 pm : link
In comment 11581130 armsteadeatslittlekids said:
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You want to get rid of him already before one snap? Scratching head. Wasn't he projected to be a possible first round draft choice last year by some?



He wasn't projected as a first round pick by all 32 NFL teams. He wasn't projected as a second round pick either. The NFL is a quarterback hungry league and he lasted to the fourth round for a reason.


A couple of pundits had 1st round grades on Nassib (which is probably why they're pundits and not NFL GMs).

Russ Lande was one of them, in fact I think Nassib was #1 on his big board.

Drew Boylhart was another. 1st round grade on his talent board, and he called Nassib "the sleeper QB of the draft."

By comparison, Corey Chavous had a 3rd round grade on him, likened him to a poor man's Andy Dalton.

Last year, it was both sad and funny watching Nassib in the preseason. I don't think he had more than one second after the ball was snapped before he had multiple defenders in his face.
I thought the Giants  
Lurts : 3/22/2014 8:01 pm : link
had a second round grade on Nassib.

That's one NFL team.

Just because a team has a certain grade on a player and he is available doesn't mean they will draft him. Other players, at needed positions, also drop.
It's not just about throwing him to the wolves  
Bill in UT : 3/22/2014 8:46 pm : link
From everything I heard last year, TC makes personnel decisions based on how guys do in practice. So apparently Nassib did nothing in practice to move ahead of Painter on the depth chart. TC never dressed him for a game. So either he didn't grow much in the chances he had, or TC didn't allow him the room to grow by not giving him many reps. Hopefully, he'll move up this spring/summer. But if Painter stays on the roster into the regular season, that is not a good sign.
If  
Headhunter : 3/22/2014 8:48 pm : link
is the operative word
Should waited  
Vegas Steve : 3/22/2014 8:49 pm : link
a year and drafted LSU QB
If Nassib was  
EliDLINEera : 3/22/2014 8:50 pm : link
coming out of college in this years draft, where would he rank amongst the QB prospects?
surgery  
Bill in UT : 3/22/2014 8:50 pm : link
is the operative word
Still dont get wasting a 4th for him  
BillyBoy8384 : 3/22/2014 8:56 pm : link
Never will.....we could have had a number of other players who could have helped..the cb Webb , Khaseem Green LB
Number please  
Headhunter : 3/22/2014 8:56 pm : link
are 2 operative words
I believe it was a  
Doomster : 3/22/2014 9:11 pm : link
fourth AND a 6th round pick to get Nassib....
Primary hope  
giantgiantfan : 3/22/2014 9:26 pm : link
is that he is a very cheap backup this year and we only carry 2 QBs. I hope we don't carry 3, but its a possibility.
I'll go out on a limb  
Mendenhall : 3/22/2014 9:39 pm : link
and say he will never have a productive career in the NFL. He won't make the team this year and will never be heard from again. Another Jerry bust.
Terrible pick  
giantsfan227B : 3/22/2014 9:39 pm : link
And no. No one will pay up for a guy that wore a baseball cap all season with virtually no experience, especially one that got used to one offense and would have to learn a brand new one in such a short time.
The wife is out again and left me without food again  
Spackler : 3/22/2014 10:06 pm : link
but it's getting closer to draft time so the price has gone up. The first person that brings me king crag legs and a lobster tail owns Ryan Nassib. Melted butter or a house salad gets you Curtis Painter also.
even Hefty LEfty got a few years  
spike : 3/22/2014 10:45 pm : link
expect Nassib to be here when Eli retires.
Dont see  
Glover : 3/22/2014 11:34 pm : link
how Nassib is such a horrible pick. He was a good college QB and projected to be a possible starting NFL QB. I would be willing to bet he shows more this preseason in McAdoo's offense. I dont think there is an offense that is more complicated and rookie-prohibitive than Gilbride;s offense, throw in TCs tendency to only play rookies if absolutely necessary and we see Painter in mop up last season. I loved that. I am patient enough to see if he can play, and I dont think taking him was a bad pick, at least it cant be determined a bad pick at this point.
RE: It should cost  
Blue Blood : 3/23/2014 12:13 am : link
In comment 11581158 AnishPatel said:
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Ross is job. Since Ross came aboard our drafts have gone done hill. He hasn't proved he can draft well since he took over. Can he actually draft a class that produces? Reese proved it when he had the position. Hell, Reese proved it in 2007 doing TWO positions, GM and his original, Director of College Scouting. How about Ross actually draft well and help this franchise?


My name is BlueBlood and I approve of this message.
Coughlin made several blunders in 2013  
mrvax : 3/23/2014 12:55 am : link
One of them was NOT playing Nassib at least parts of games when the Giants were eliminated. It would have helped the kid get experience and not allowed our starting QB to receive a totally unnecessary injury.

I hope Nassib gets his snaps this year, in practice of course.
I think drafting him will turn out to be an excellent move. If and when Eli gets injured, you need someone good to replace him. Not someone like Painter.
Agreed.  
Spackler : 3/23/2014 5:42 am : link
We would have won it all.
there was a philosphy in place  
aquidneck : 3/23/2014 7:31 am : link
And it probably came from Coughlin not to play young guys when the team all ready had clear starters. Linval Joseph spent an entire year on the innactive list.

He was a second rdc, played a position that doesn't get the scrutiny of an NFL QB and it turns out he's on a path to a pretty good career.

Mara was pissed that we didn't play the young guys more in '13, but I'm not sure that extends to Nassib unless in mop-up duty over Painter.
If and this is a big if, the Giants stole him in the 4th round like  
wgenesis123 : 3/23/2014 7:39 am : link
they want us to believe than there could be a team that had 1st or 2nd round value on him in the draft. If that team was in need of a QB it might be possible but unlikely. QB is one position that alot of GM's are willing to pony up and pay a steep price to aquire the player they want. Traditionally some of the dumbest trades have involved QB's so its not as preposterous as other posters seem to think, just unlikely.
I don`t understand  
DJ5150 : 3/23/2014 8:11 am : link
why he didn't get time with the first team in preseason games...It just makes no sense at all to me.
But,  
Doomster : 3/23/2014 10:44 am : link
you don't get someone interested in a QB, if he doesn't play, and show what he can do....even one game wonders, get a sniff from the owners....look at Matt Flynn, after the game he had against the Patriots....he was going to be the future of the Seahawks....holding a clip board does nothing....

I think it is imperative, that he becomes the backup this year, and the Giants carry only two qb's....if they don't, then they wasted two picks to get Nassib, and they will have wasted an extra roster spot, last year and this year....If that happens again, in Reese we trust?
Also,  
Doomster : 3/23/2014 10:46 am : link
I don`t understand
DJ5150 : 8:11 am : link : reply
why he didn't get time with the first team in preseason games...It just makes no sense at all to me.


Carr had playing time behind the #1 line, and we didn't even keep him....
I don't understand the renewal of Painter  
nyynyg : 3/23/2014 10:53 am : link
When you spend a 4th rounder on a QB, he should be getting every non Eli snap this yr. I can understand not throwing him to the wolves last season but this year there is no reason for him to get snaps behind Painter. Reese should have pulled a moneyball and ensured that by not signing another QB. I hope they have an understanding behind closed doors that Painter is just insurance and not a part of the puzzle.
Here is why I think picking Nassib...  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 3/23/2014 10:54 am : link
in that round was a wasted pick...

Eli will be our starter for what 6 more years at least? Longer? Eli is also a guy who thank God seems to always play and never gets injured.

So, when exactly will Nassib see some game action? Is Nassib truly a franchise QB type of player? If he was do you think he would be happy sitting behind Eli for the next 6 years? If we did find a gem in a later round and he proved to be awesome in practice and pre-season... do you really think the Giants would start him over Eli? The answer is NO, so why the fuck are we wasting our time?

We are better off just signing backups with experience (like we have been doing) and save the draft picks for other positions.

Then, when Eli is getting towards the end we can start looking for a new franchise QB to draft. Possibly trade up to get that guy just like we did when we drafted Eli.
One more thing to add...  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 3/23/2014 10:56 am : link
we also drafted Nassib in that round when we still had some obvious holes to fill at other STARTING POSITIONS !!!
6 years?  
nyynyg : 3/23/2014 11:06 am : link
We are going to have to agree to disagree on that.

This year is a big year of what kind of Eli we have. If he has a year half as bad this season as last or if we put up 4 wins or less, we have a serious question on out hands. And we cannot renew Eli to reduce his cap hit unless he agreed to take a massive pay cut and it becomes a finance decision. Not to mention, we most likely are blowing up the coaching staff.

But even he has a great year, I don't see six years in the cards.
RN may turn out to be a solid QB  
old timer : 3/23/2014 1:28 pm : link
That doesn't justify the pick last year when we had so many glaring needs.
Doomster is right. Only value coming from Nassib is if he  
Jimmy Googs : 3/23/2014 2:51 pm : link
gets into some games, preseason games with the #1 team and some regular season games as well. b

And I also don't get the Painter re-signing and, quite frankly, will be pissed if Nassib isn't the #2 QB on the team next season.

I mean what the hell is the point of keeping Painter at all...if Eli goes down the season is over anyway. Painter is not going to lead the team to victories. So put in the guy that cost 2 draft picks and lets see if he brings anything to the table.

Dear Mr. Googs:  
PEEJ : 3/23/2014 3:03 pm : link
Most teams bring four QBs to camp
RE: Wow  
kotar1 : 3/24/2014 9:13 am : link
In comment 11581005 Spock said:
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You want to get rid of him already before one snap? Scratching head. Wasn't he projected to be a possible first round draft choice last year by some?
I like Nassib...he reminds me of a young Phil Simms. I think he is our QB of the future. He will be our #2 next year.
.....  
NJGiantFan84 : 3/24/2014 9:47 am : link
Give it time. He wasn't taken to replace Eli this year. In fact, I would bet that he doesn't even replace CP and we keep 3 QB's this year as well. With the way starting QB's have gone down recently, there is no guarantee a viable back-up will be on the street. Keeping 3 QB's is smart business right now, IMO. That last roster spot is always held for guys who need to develop. I have no problem W/ that guy being Nassib and I'm not sure why so many do. Most of those guys get cut or released eventually anyway.
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