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Charley Casserly critical of the Giants free agency moves.

Archer : 3/23/2014 11:58 am
Charley Casserly was on Sirius radio yesterday discussing free agency winners and losers.
Casserly was particularly critical of the Giants.
To paraphrase Casserly.
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" The Giants signing 10 free agents is an acknowledgement that they missed on their draft picks. The Giants are now attempting to correct their roster deficiencies that have resulted from their poor drafting. Jennings, Schwartz, DRC, McClain, etc. are needs due to fill holes created by poor drafting".

He also added that
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" the Giants are trying to build a competitive team to give Coughlin one more run at a championship".

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"The end result of poor drafting and the Giants attempting to send Coughlin out a winner has resulted in a very un Giant like free agency that will have negative long term effects".

Casserly clearly dislikes the Giants and Reese, so I would take his comments with a grain of salt.
I don't see what's wrong with what he said  
Giants2012 : 3/23/2014 12:00 pm : link
he hit the nail on the head
Everything quoted is 100% correct  
Kyle : 3/23/2014 12:00 pm : link
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He is not critical of the FA signings  
montanagiant : 3/23/2014 12:00 pm : link
He is critical of our recent drafts
Truth  
mako J : 3/23/2014 12:01 pm : link
Hurts.l
. . .  
Giants2012 : 3/23/2014 12:01 pm : link
the last line might be a bit off.
Charley Casserly sucked in Texas  
napoleon : 3/23/2014 12:01 pm : link
He can't get a nfl job so he has to pay his bills being on TV. David Carr is probably still getting nightmares of the O lines Cassery assembled.
He's actually pretty spot on, the draft point is so true  
Eli2Plax1017 : 3/23/2014 12:01 pm : link
they havent had good drafts, hell Reese doesnt seem too happy with David Wilson already...the moves this offseason have been good ones, but its clear why he made them, and Casserly correctly pointed them out
He's not wrong  
JonC : 3/23/2014 12:01 pm : link
This was 3-4 win team in 2013 that played some dreadful football more often than not.
Meh...  
RC02XX : 3/23/2014 12:02 pm : link
Many on BBI have already aptly said that our draft could have been much better. However, I don't buy that what the Giants did this free agency period will have long term negative effects.
he's 100% right  
TommyWiseau : 3/23/2014 12:03 pm : link
The drafting has been below average, Reese and Ross need to get their shit together and hit this draft out of the park. Eli is not getting any younger and neither is Coughlin
RE: . . .  
M in CT : 3/23/2014 12:04 pm : link
In comment 11581991 Giants2012 said:
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the last line might be a bit off.


yeah, that's how I feel as well. he's spot on about the reason we've been so active in FA, but as for negative long term effects, that's nothing but speculation and the urge to create controversy.

give us a valid reason why signing these guys is going to negatively impact the team in the future. do thy have backloaded, player friendly contracts, for example? nope.
The Giants  
spike : 3/23/2014 12:05 pm : link
swung and missed too many times with their recent drafts
I don't really disagree.  
Enoch : 3/23/2014 12:05 pm : link
The contracts the Giants gave to Rodgers-Cromartie, Jennings, Hillis, Walton, McBride, and McClain all have a significant chance of being deals the team regrets in a year or three.

The catch is that the Giants have a 33-year-old franchise QB. That's the kind of situation where near-term overspending can be warranted, knowing that you can deflect the worst impact from poor contracts forward into likely-to-be-hopeless season(s) when the team is looking for and/or breaking in a new starting QB.
Now,if this draft was so poor how were the Giants able to let  
TheMick7 : 3/23/2014 12:05 pm : link
Joseph,Tuck walk? Maybe because they drafted Hankins,Moore last year at #2,3? I'll give him Nassib might have been a reach at #4 especially since TC didn't give him any time at all. Taylor Cooper has promise with a year under his belt as #5. And,I think the #1 had a pretty good year as a rookie. You're right,CC has always had a hard-on for the G-Men!
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crick78 : 3/23/2014 12:06 pm : link
"The end result of poor drafting and the Giants attempting to send Coughlin out a winner has resulted in a very un Giant like free agency that will have negative long term effects".

Impossible to say this line is 100% correct as the results have not been given to us
Most of that is true  
Jay on the Island : 3/23/2014 12:06 pm : link
but the part about the negative long term implications of these signings is just wrong. With the exception of DRC none of those deals have a lot of guaranteed long term money. The second most guaranteed money they have given out was to Schwartz which is just over 6 million. Thurmond, Manningham, Jerry, McClain, Demps, and Holliday were all signed to 1 year deals.
The drafts could have been better,  
smshmth8690 : 3/23/2014 12:06 pm : link
but this line "Giants attempting to send Coughlin out a winner" is pretty stupid. Winning is the fucking point right?
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NVA_Blue : 3/23/2014 12:09 pm : link
Long term effects as a result of the signings? I don't buy that. Majority of those 10 were short term low risk deals. DRC didn't get as much as Talib or even Sam shields, so would say that was a bargain if anything.

Now the drafting side of it? He is absolutely right.
The drafting has been an issue..  
arcarsenal : 3/23/2014 12:10 pm : link
Not the players we just signed.
Yep, agree that  
bceagle05 : 3/23/2014 12:11 pm : link
all but the last line are correct.
Casserly is a pompous hack  
PEEJ : 3/23/2014 12:11 pm : link
I'd be more concerned if this criticism came from someone like Polian
I can't totally argue with him.  
hoopy3 : 3/23/2014 12:12 pm : link
The Giants recent drafts have not been great in regards to creating depth. Some of that however, is due to unlucky injuries. The fact that the only player remaining from the 2009 draft class is Beatty (and we know how most feel about him) is telling. Even going back to 2008 draft class, the only player left is Manningham and we just resigned him from another team after a major knee injury. In addition...both 2nd round DT's we drafted in subsequent years are gone. JPP, hasn't played well in 2 years...The status of David Wilson (another 1st rounder) is up in the air.

If you step back and look at it, The only non-question mark players we have going into next year from all of our drafts back to 2008 is Amukamara and Pugh...and neither is really a pro bowl calibre player (yet).

Note: obviously having victor cruz offsets this a bit...but we are talking draft in this thread.
Not saying he is the problem  
GiantTuff1 : 3/23/2014 12:16 pm : link
but I would far prefer Reese heading the drafts than Ross. I have not been impressed with Ross' drafts and he tends to live on potential (Austin) and very uninspiring personalities in general.

I think Reese needs to take the reigns, and Casserly is right, Reese looks like he's trying to cover up for the deficiencies in the draft, for which Reese cannot be excused either. He is the GM after all. However, I trust Reese's eye more than I do Ross' at this point.
I think it has more to do with Eli's window  
Steve in South Jersey : 3/23/2014 12:18 pm : link
than Coughlin's. Giants don't want a long rebuilding wasting what is left of Eli's prime.

I do agree that the free agent binge in the result of poor drafts after the 1st couple of rounds.
he is right  
SBlue46 : 3/23/2014 12:19 pm : link
Lot of 1 year contracts
Looks like quick fix..
Worried me a little..
But probably is good since
Tc may be gone and a new
Coach will want his own
Guys. Also eli will have
Good line and running game
And weapons..so lets see
How good he does before
Signing for $$$.
He nailed it except for that last comment re: negaitve lasting impact  
Andy in Halifax : 3/23/2014 12:20 pm : link
The only contract that could really hurt us is the DRC one, the others are low risk that we can get out of with small cost if they don't work out. The DRC contract is born out of poor drafting and the most unfortunate since we have invested in CB in the draft but haven't found enough quality to meet the needs.

If anything, I think the Giants have supported the Patriots theory that drafting your depth players isn't really necessary if you can plug holes with capable but average vets. The cost is marginally higher but the risk is less and you can target premium players, or players where you need them long term (i.e. OLine), in the draft.

Look what we did to the DT position last year. We blitzed the unit by adding vets for cheap and drafted one long term replacement for Joseph. The value we received for the cost of Patterson was tremendous imo. I see the same scenario for a lot of the cheaper players we signed this year.

Now we're set up to add premium players in the draft. WR, OT, TE(if he's a big receiving threat), DE, CB, etc.
"hell Reese doesn't seem too happy with David Wilson already"  
Giants11 : 3/23/2014 12:22 pm : link
where is there evidence of this? The fact that he signed Jennings? You do realize Wilson has a potentially career threatening neck condition no? Listen our drafts need to be better, we all know this. However to some extent the jury is still out as we'll see how Hankins and Moore do replacing Joseph and Tuck. The offensive liner was a mess last year lets see how it gets fixed. I agree that most of the deals we inked this FA period are not going to hamstring us long term at all.
We've had some draft misses  
Randy in CT : 3/23/2014 12:23 pm : link
and we've had some draft hits. And we've had massive injuries. So the Giants are active in free agency
I agree the drafts have not been great and Wilson  
GeofromNJ : 3/23/2014 12:24 pm : link
was a mistake from the get-go. The guy, when healthy, is a kick returner, not an NFL caliber halfback. But I'm convinced that Giants were not good last year primarily because Reese failed to re-sign Martellus Bennett. With Bennett the Giants open 3-3, not 0-6, and with the acquisition of Beason, they are minimally 10-6 last year, possibly 11-5, despite the fact that Nicks contributed very little and the offensive line was awful. But that said, you gotta like these free agent pickups. We have a halfback, better, though not spectacular, offensive lineman, and enough good corners to defend against the Eagles and Redskins offensive schemes. Two weaknesses remain. A defensive tackle and a tight end.
It's  
AcidTest : 3/23/2014 12:25 pm : link
all correct, except for the conclusion that the moves will have negative long term effects. I don't see that.

That having been said, he was a below average talent evaluator in Washington and Houston.
we loaded up on CBs  
chris r : 3/23/2014 12:25 pm : link
the only one I can remember the Giants drafting and (so far) missing on is Hosley. This is more about Webster falling off a cliff and Thomas (a great pick) getting hurt.

With regard to Jennings - Wilson got hurt, that's hardly a drafting issue.

We haven't swung and miss at any guard prospects high, so its hard to say Schwartz is making up for poor drafting. Its more like making up for over paying and hanging on to vet OL too long.

So I don't see this FA as directly being influenced by the Giants drafting. Which is not to say the Giants have draft particularly well recently.

As others have said  
nyynyg : 3/23/2014 12:26 pm : link
His draft points are spot on. Obviously they are trying to fill holes because they've had draft misses. But signing free agents does not preclude the Giants trying to reverse their draft fortunes by having a good draft this time around.

But for long term consequences, Casserly is way off and clearly did not look deeper into the contracts of the free agent signings beyond the sheer number. The Giants are slated to be able to clear the decks of basically every free agent they signed and additional money in likes of Snee and Kiwi, even Eli if it came to that.

The only two are DRC and Jennings both of which one could argue would be building blocks moving forward as part of a reset if it were to take place.
RE: Charley Casserly sucked in Texas  
Stan from LA : 3/23/2014 12:31 pm : link
In comment 11581992 napoleon said:
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He can't get a nfl job so he has to pay his bills being on TV. David Carr is probably still getting nightmares of the O lines Cassery assembled.


Yup.
Speaking of missing on draft picks...  
Klaatu : 3/23/2014 12:34 pm : link
How'd that Ricky Williams trade work out for you, Charley?

Casserly's an entertaining guy, and what he said certainly has an element of truth to it, but aren't you supposed to use free agency to fill your more immediate needs? Whether it's due to bad drafting, bad luck, age, injury, etc., the Giants did have a lot of holes on their roster. Were they supposed to wait until the draft to fill all of them with six picks?
Chuck's Best Signings of FA  
jbeintherockies : 3/23/2014 12:35 pm : link
If you care ...
Link - ( New Window )
Casserly sucking is beside  
santacruzom : 3/23/2014 12:36 pm : link
the point though. I mean, if Adam Levine were to tell you that Matchbox 20 sucks, you wouldn't disagree with him merely because his own band sucks would you?
Must be a balance between FA and draft  
mako J : 3/23/2014 12:39 pm : link
To build a championship caliber program. 6 years ago it was exciting to consider ourselves a team relying more on the draft and coaching a la Seattle now. It's sobering to realize we're now on the other side of that balance.

Happened quick.

Feels like there's enormous pressure to hit on 4 out of 6 this year. Even if the FO does exactly that, is there a staff in place to maximize that talent?

As much as I love TC, he has to gel this staff with this roster turnover under the new CBA....and that's a tall order. I'll never doubt him, he's proven he can build a winner from scratch in a hurry, but it feels like Jerry has CYA'ed with acquisitions and TC must win now, or he'll get Gilbrided.
And as I posted  
MassGman : 3/23/2014 12:41 pm : link
Yesterday, Howard David also on Sirius loves what the Giants have done and stated they will be the surprise team in the NFL this year and will be a factor in the NFC
those  
M in CT : 3/23/2014 12:42 pm : link
saying the DRC contract could be a long-term problem - you know the deal is 15m guaranteed right? that's essentially a 2-year guaranteed deal for a guy who was basically a top 5 or 10 CB in the league last year.

so after 2015 we can get out without much or any impact if he fails to reach expectations. and if he continues his current level of play beyond 2015 the the deal is a steal for us.

so...how exactly is that deal a potential long term problem?
Guy repeats himself  
mamamia : 3/23/2014 12:47 pm : link
too much
I Agree On The Poor Drafting Comments  
Bernie : 3/23/2014 12:47 pm : link
disagree on the negative long term effects comment. Last time I checked, Charlie Casserly was not a 2 time Super Bowl Champion GM.
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christian : 3/23/2014 12:49 pm : link
The Giants free agency playbook this year has been about low risk assets. Any assertion otherwise is nonsense.
Except for Beason and DRC  
PEEJ : 3/23/2014 12:56 pm : link
no FA got a big signing bonus. Reese seems to be avoiding the cap hell that the Baas and Snee contracts caused
A totally agree with what he said with maybe one exception.  
Blue21 : 3/23/2014 1:00 pm : link
I do not think it will necessarily have long term effects.Most of the contracts were for players under 30 and most were not long term.I do believe if Reese doesn't hit on this years draft the future could be bleak. No more projects. I've seen better drafts on BBI than his have been the last couple years.
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SanFranGiantsFan : 3/23/2014 1:01 pm : link
Our drafting has sucked.
Our drafting has sucked?  
Headhunter : 3/23/2014 1:09 pm : link
Gee, I thought we had some his and misses like every other team in the League.
RE: He is not critical of the FA signings  
vibe4giants : 3/23/2014 1:12 pm : link
In comment 11581989 montanagiant said:
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He is critical of our recent drafts


This.
screw him  
mdthedream : 3/23/2014 1:13 pm : link
The Giants have won 2 Super Bowls recently and they are doing what they think is best to get back.If that means adding free agents so be it. Its a way that the Giants can get stronger at every position and more depth. They have not spent a lot of money on these players, so it won't have a long term affect.
Casserly was 2 for 3.  
Sammo284 : 3/23/2014 1:14 pm : link
He was right on the drafting and roster issues, but he missed on the long-term effects.

Giants are set up fine long-term cap wise. Yes there might be a year here or there where they might be tight, but they ate the bullet last season because of the cap space problem, and we saw the results in the one season, but we've also seen teams like the Skins and Cowboys in our own division constantly restructure and be in the cap congo line every year and it's impact on roster building and team development speak for themselves. And teams like the Eagles and Jets who perpetually have plenty of cap space don't have any significant hardware to show for it. So it cuts both ways.

Giants likely only have a 3 to 4 year window here with Eli who needs to get his situation fixed as well. What the Cap situation is say 4-5 yrs from now is immaterial as we will probably be looking at a quick rebuild with a new QB anyway.

So Marvin Austin set the franchise back  
Headhunter : 3/23/2014 1:20 pm : link
and along with Barden and Sintim made Jerry Reese's drafts horrible? I get it, glad there is no over reaction around here, just cool calm analysis with merit
How will the new players do is the Q.  
steve in 'skins territory : 3/23/2014 1:23 pm : link
Not knowing how they will play this year is the big unknown and will determine if Reese blew free agency or not. Clearly we entered FA in poor shape due to poor drafting in recent years. The last really good draft was the one where we ended up with Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, and others who contributed to the SB42 run and victory. If these new players are what the team thinks then its been a good free agency.
casserly  
Fast Adam : 3/23/2014 1:23 pm : link
Needs to get a new front office job asap, that face is not meant for television. Looks like a killer ventriloquist dummy.
The depths of how sensitive some of you on here are is astounding  
David in LA : 3/23/2014 1:27 pm : link
I wonder how some of you handle constructive criticism.
It's an exaggeration to say the giants drafted poorly the last few yrs  
djm : 3/23/2014 1:27 pm : link
They just haven't had great drafts the last few years. Basically they missed on one first and one second round pick-- Wilson and Austin but Wilson still has a shot to make amends.

The mid rounds haven't been great but a lot of these bubble players will get another shot this season. If guys like Mosley, Jernigan and randle emerge in 2014 people will be lauding those same drafts that were recently deemed as failures.

Trust me I've seen bad NYG drafts. 2011-2013 were not bad.
i do not view those quotes as being critical  
GiantsFan84 : 3/23/2014 1:31 pm : link
he thinks long-term it will have bad ramifications on the salary cap. i'm not a cap guy so I can't say he is right or wrong on that I will leave that to Optimus, but he is right that bad drafting has left them where they are right now
He is 75% right  
Emil : 3/23/2014 1:33 pm : link
Yes, the Giants are in the fix they are in because of poor drafts.

Yes, the Giants are trying to give Coughlin one more run.

No, there should not be any real long term negative impacts if the signings don't pan out. Most of these guys are young, in their prime, and signed for reasonable deals.

In my mind its not so much about criticism, but just an aknowledgement that we have had a lot of draft picks that have no panned out.
I tend to agree ...  
BronxBob : 3/23/2014 1:39 pm : link
... with the view that his draft comments are worthwhile but the projection about future trouble is a stretch. And winning IS winning, that's right, too, of course; you might want to help your QB, but if you have to resort to sending your coach out a winner for motivation, you're cooked. And if he were healthy, Wilson's situation would be more interesting after McAdoo's stated preference for backs who primarily block; CC put a likely outcome (dubious future for Wilson, injury or not) into a non-existent context with that one -- in fact, the current situation with a new OC makes that pick more moot than potentially bad. All that said, Casserly still has three Super Bowl rings; Texas wasn't his first stop. You can try to revise History with silo views ... but it doesn't really work.
Could the same thing not be said for the other 31  
PeterS : 3/23/2014 1:51 pm : link
NFL teams?
OK, but would Casserly criticize the Seahawks philosophy?  
Bobby Epps : 3/23/2014 1:55 pm : link
Their GM, John Schneider, came on board in 2010. For the 2011 and 2012 seasons, the only seasons for which I could find info, Schneider implemented 502 transactions, that is, drafts, trades and UDFA and FA signings. IMO, he signed everyone he could find and let Pete Carroll decide who to keep and who to let go.

Hopefully, Reese is trying a similar approach to get us another SB win.
Our recent drafts have been fairly lousy  
jLefty : 3/23/2014 1:55 pm : link
but I still think Wilson,if he's able to play, will become a really good player. He averaged over 5 yards a carry in his first year, not to mention the most spectacular runbacks we,ve ever had. Last year, the second he got the ball there was somebody on him before he even got the handoff.Still he made some good runs and his power and tackle breaking ability is not fully appreciated.Led the nation in yards after contact his senior year.
I can't disagree with him completely  
The_Taxman : 3/23/2014 1:57 pm : link
Reese was scrambling to fill holes and spent like a drunken sailor because of his last few drafts which have turned out to be average to below average drafts. And this offseason has been very un-Giant like. The last comment where he said it will have a negative effect long term won't be known until 2 or 3 seasons down the line. That's the only part of his statement that was off. No one can know that until we play the games. If we make the playoffs and win a round or 2 this year I'd say it was a good offseason of signings.
Bottom line is Reese has to hit a home run in this draft. He's set himself up to fill our remaining holes using this draft's strength which is OL. We need to come out of this draft with a stud G or T and C. If not, on paper, the draft will be disappointing.
I presume Casserly didn't do his homework  
Jimmy Googs : 3/23/2014 1:57 pm : link
before making the comment about long term negative effects. He probably assumed that we spent a lot of future cap dollars on signing all of these guys.

He's kind of a chucklehead anyway...
Yes  
trueblueinpw : 3/23/2014 1:59 pm : link
He's right, our drafting has sucked. So much of winning in the NFL is about draft success. Said it in the Tuck ad thread, Reese should be on a very short leash after last year's totally disgraceful season which was a direct result of Reese failing in all aspects of his job. A very, short, leash.
problem with Reese and I suspect some of the others involved  
mdc1 : 3/23/2014 2:00 pm : link
is they think they are clever and probably got to over confident about prior success. I cringe every time I hear Reese talk about "everyone wants a spiderman receiver", he drafts Barden. Our "you can't have enough DEs", so he spends way too much time on that too. Completely ignoring the oline for years. Now we are here, patching and old set of jeans.

Draft some oline talent or maybe a QB to replace Eli if he chokes again this season. I don't think we are beyond our Eli problems btw. He is a chronic int machine like his brother.

The majority of our moves are short term deals  
David in LA : 3/23/2014 2:01 pm : link
those are roster spots that we have to expend time and money into revisiting next year. In that regard, yeah not so great long term effects. We need some home runs in this year's draft for long term contributors, on cheap rookie deals.
There's been a combo of bad luck/bad drafting  
Eric on Li : 3/23/2014 2:13 pm : link
A lot of their good to great draft picks never made it to their 2nd contract or were out of the league very quickly because they either got severely injured or another team paid them more - Nicks, Phillips, Thomas, Manningham, Goff, Ross, Smith, Joseph.

Now the bad drafting part of the equation IMO unfortunately comes into focus with 3 distinct positions that were underserved with premium picks and poorly draft - LB, TE, OL. These were not high focus positions due to scheme, and they were allowed to continually deteriorate year after year as the few mid-late picks spent on them did not develop. Kehl, Petrus, Beckum, Dillard, Brewer, Tracy, Robinson, Mosley, etc.

Lastly - like every team - there have been some out and out busts. Sintim, Hosley, Austin, Wilson, etc.

2013 was the culmination of all of these factors hitting all at once. The RB and OL positions flat out busted and broke down due to injury and completely exposed the dearth of depth and talent. They got nothing from the TE & LB positions (until the Beason trade).

I would also make 1 point to Casserly in general that I think explains the "why" behind his mostly correct assertions - winning Super Bowls generally leads to faster than normal roster turnover. Players get overpaid and overvalue themselves. Some get complacent. You draft lower every round and that adds up. That's why the 2012 SB roster was so different from the 2008 roster, and why next year's roster is so different both as well.

I dont think  
AnishPatel : 3/23/2014 2:22 pm : link
negative long term effects is accurate. Maybe if Ross keeps shocking at drafting. Then I can see that. However, the other stuff I agree with. By signing these players it says we missed in the draft and now we have to sign guys to patch work spots in hopes of TC having one last run. So I do agree with that.
Drafting  
bluesince56 : 3/23/2014 2:23 pm : link
I heard on Sirius last week something like, out of 35 or so picks in the draft over the last five years something like 17 are out of football.
he's 100% rihght  
Paulie Walnuts : 3/23/2014 2:23 pm : link
poor drafting leads to getting into cap hell because expensive players need to be signed to make of the deficiencies

Reese and Ross have shit the bed on multiple drafts and its been manifesting itself the last 2 years

drafts are cheap talent and are HUGELY important NOT to miss and get those key players

pissing away 2 draft picks to get Nassib was the final straw to me

Excellent analysis  
TMS : 3/23/2014 2:24 pm : link
by Casserly. What many of us said Reese and Ross are responsible because of their lousy drafting. Why are they still here ?
Casserly nailed it.  
Red Dog : 3/23/2014 2:26 pm : link
And he could be right about the long-term affects if DRC doesn't play better than he did for the Iggles and if the other guys who got multi-year deals don't pan out.

Despite all the euphoria over the guys that Reese has signed, you can't lose sight of the fact that a team should get more for its salary cap buck with draftees and OFAs than with veteran FA signings. Given a team that already has a disproportionate amount of its cap funds concentrated in the QB, cap dollar efficiency is more important than ever.
Casserly has mispronounced and said more names wrong than he has right  
Anakim : 3/23/2014 2:26 pm : link
Seriously, watch him on "Path to the Draft." He rarely ever gets a name right
As far as the large number of Giants free agent signings  
Blue Meanie : 3/23/2014 2:31 pm : link
It not always wise to mistake major activity for major improvement...
Casserly is right about poor drafting by  
Bobby Epps : 3/23/2014 2:35 pm : link
Reese and Ross.

But what would he have Reese do? Not sign FAs?

As to DRC, only $15 million of his contract is guaranteed. IIRC most of the FA contracts have low guaranteed amounts.

So, Yes Reese has done a poor job recently of drafting but he's doing his best through free agency to correct those mistakes and put a winning team on the field.
he is right with the first quote  
Essex : 3/23/2014 2:37 pm : link
but he is absolutely wrong as to the other two. I find it hard to believe that the Giants are doing this for Coughlin. I would imagine, they are doing this for Eli, who probably has four or five more years of prime left. When you have a qb that has proven you can do it, it is not a bad idea to make improvements through free agency. that has been the template of the Broncos the last two years, the Pats for a while have done it this way. other teams with franchise qbs, such as the Packers and Steelers do not do it this way. the point is that there is not a wrong way or a right way. I have no issue with what the giants have done so far; we will see if it works, but the notion that this is some reward for Coughlin to go out on top is absurd.
Casserly is right about negative long term effects  
mrvax : 3/23/2014 2:40 pm : link
This team they are assembling could very well end up drafting 25-32 position for the next few years which sucks but could happen.
The Giants signing of free agents  
dutch1 : 3/23/2014 2:49 pm : link
Of course they did. Look how many UFA's they had and how many they lost
I don't think he's wrong except  
bradshaw44 : 3/23/2014 2:51 pm : link
When he says it will have negative affects. You can't say that until you see what the team does on the field.

And I absolutely agree that they are gearing this team up to make a run this season. Going out of character in free agency and loading up. This could be Reese and Coughlins final season if they don't make some noise in the playoffs.
dutch1  
PEEJ : 3/23/2014 2:51 pm : link
good point. The Giants filled out their roster last year with cheap one-year FAs. It stands to reason that they'd have to replace many of them
First, I don't think the Giants were out of character. Usually, we  
Ira : 3/23/2014 3:17 pm : link
don't have the cap room to spend in free agency. This year we did.

Second, I don't agree about the negative long term effects. For the most part there wasn't excessive guaranteed money. I was very critical of the McClain signing, but I think his bonus was only $600,000.
If drafting low is what he means by negative long term effects  
giantranger : 3/23/2014 3:26 pm : link
than count me in. The biggest move the Giants may have bungled is the handling of Linval. Otherwise, I don't see what long term effects he may be alluding to
not drafting well  
newmike2 : 3/23/2014 3:53 pm : link
and relying on free agency is not a good way of doing business in the salary cap era but the draft has never really been a sure thing. Injuries and mental issues happen and guys just don't pan out.
I agree that they have to get smarter in the draft to address the longer term needs of the team.
RE: Casserly is right about negative long term effects  
M in CT : 3/23/2014 3:55 pm : link
In comment 11582239 mrvax said:
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This team they are assembling could very well end up drafting 25-32 position for the next few years which sucks but could happen.


please tell me this is tongue in cheek
The West Coast Offense is fairly complicated so I hope  
SGMen : 3/23/2014 3:57 pm : link
we keep it simple this year. Focus on running the ball and figure out which players are best suited for this system.

I love Mario Manningham in the WC offense. He is healing up, knows the NYG's, and I predict he'll flourish this year.

The key players for this year will be of course Eli Manning but also JPP and Kiwanuka. If the DE's can pressure the passer and the middle DT's plus Beason plug the run we'll have a superb defense.

Just stay healthy!
If they make it deep into the playoffs or even to the Superbowl  
giantranger : 3/23/2014 4:28 pm : link
The Giants have not been in favorable draft position for years. This years draft is the best they've had in a while. A combo of returning players and FA's along with a good draft is the best strategy. There are no guarantees at this day and age. Drafting high usually means you are a long way off.
RE: He is 75% right  
Giantology : 3/23/2014 4:39 pm : link
In comment 11582125 Emil said:
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Yes, the Giants are in the fix they are in because of poor drafts.

Yes, the Giants are trying to give Coughlin one more run.

No, there should not be any real long term negative impacts if the signings don't pan out. Most of these guys are young, in their prime, and signed for reasonable deals.

In my mind its not so much about criticism, but just an aknowledgement that we have had a lot of draft picks that have no panned out.


I'm no mathematician but I don't think 2 out of 3 = 75%
honestly The Giants have had more misses than hits of late  
Gmenfan11792 : 3/23/2014 7:30 pm : link
In comment 11582392 Giantology said:
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In comment 11582125 Emil said:


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Yes, the Giants are in the fix they are in because of poor drafts.



Yes, the Giants are trying to give Coughlin one more run.

No, there should not be any real long term negative impacts if the signings don't pan out. Most of these guys are young, in their prime, and signed for reasonable deals.

In my mind its not so much about criticism, but just an aknowledgement that we have had a lot of draft picks that have no panned out.



I'm no mathematician but I don't think 2 out of 3 = 75%


It seems to me like Jerry Reese's draft strategy is no longer working best player available is great when it's working but it also leaves gaps that you need to fill in FA and I think this year he learned that if you draft the best player every time that player doesn't always fill the needs you have open that said I'm happy with the FA giants signed this year and if they can couple that with drafting ebron , moncrief and and brandon coleman eli will have the size and speed he really needs to get back to his old self and maybe we can add some OL depth in the draft as well considering our starters are pretty much figured out and a much needed upgrade from last season the only comment I might make negatively about the giants at all was they wasted a pick on nassib last year and I think they do need a young QB to come in and be a backup a solid backup so we don't need to waste a roster spot on a third qb so maybe Taj Boyd will be available in 6 or 7th round solid potential and young definitely better than nassib in my opinion and going to be a great backup maybe starter one day somewhere not with the giants though but great for the future young talented backup now great trading piece later to build on whatever it is we need at that time.

And just a side note Ebron reminds me a lot of Jeremy Shockey even in personality hope the giants give him the nod at 12 if he is available if not I hope they draft Barr and maybe go Nikklas later to fill in their TE need or bring pascoe back to buy a year till theres another Grade A TE available
Lol This is the same guy who loved the Giants picks three years ago  
Mason : 3/23/2014 10:32 pm : link
Go to the video tape. He had them as draft winners. Total crapshoot.
Casserly talks, I smile.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/24/2014 8:12 am : link
Polian talks, I listen
re: Casserly  
GNTS-1 : 3/24/2014 12:41 pm : link
He is correct about the Giants not drafting well in recent years,its a fact.This is why Jerry must NAIL the 2014 draft!!!
I don't agree  
Joe in Cambridge : 3/24/2014 12:59 pm : link
Steve Smith, Kenny Phillips, Terrell Thomas, Hakeem Nicks, Clint Sintim, Jason Pierre-Paul, and David Wilson. Very few teams could survive having that many first and second round picks with long-term/career-threatening injuries. I think the Giants have been more unlucky than anything.
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