Is the heir apparent to Eli. Even if it's down the road a few years,if not was he a wasted pick. Started to think of this after hearing that the giants haven't looked to him (Eli) for more cap space.
After Eli's first season, plenty of fans were wondering if he was a wasted pick too.
Yeah, it would have been nice to have seen him doing great things in pre-season days, but it's too soon to draw conclusions. Even if the odds are against Nassib being Eli's successor, I'm not sure it's fair to call it a wasted pick.
will change depending on what the Patriots do with Ryan Mallett. Because at least I'll have hope.
Mallett was a 3rd round pick and he's entering his final season. He's barely played in games (mop up only) and when he's played in pre-season he hasn't looked all that great IMO. If the Pats flip Mallett for a 3rd I see no reason it was a good pick. Use a pick on a QB this year so 4 years later you get the same pick back? What's the point.
I feel similarly about Nassib, only it was a 4th round pick. To make it not a wasted pick the Giants need either a) to trade him for better than a 4th round pick, b) don't extend Eli and Nassib becomes the starter. Am I missing any other acceptable outcomes?
I hate the fact the Giants needed 3 QB's last year and hope they don't this year too.
without the need for the Giants carrying 3 QB's on the roster. If he can win the Giants a few games if Eli goes down no one will be complaining at all.
he looked terrible in camp and i for one would have rather had
on the backup QB position. If the Giants made this pick thinking he could backup Eli (which to this point he is not). My thinking is you want a guy with some talent to be available just in case. We have been spoiled by Eli's durability.
But I don't think there is anything wrong with taking a young QB and developing him... If he gets an oppty and has success (either regular season or preseason), then you have a solid insurance policy for Eli for the next few years and you might be able to flip him before he hits FA...
I don't see anybody calling Belichick stupid for drafting Mallett with a RD3 pick... And he arguably has the best QB in the NFL on his roster...
the focus is on a talented young QB (when the starter may very well be on a severe decline) as opposed to other 4th Rd guys like Brewer who lack any shot at being NFL caliber
If Painter is on the final roster in September that is a bad sign, esp if it means two years in a row the Giants need 3 roster spots for QB's.
There are 4 outcomes with Nassib off the top of my head:
a) He replaces Eli as the Giants starting QB
b) He's traded for a better 4th round pick or a better round pick (or players)
c) He plays out his contract (though doesn't really see the field at all) and leaves via FA
d) He doesn't make it through his contract and is cut
A and B would be best cases, C and D would be wasted pick, right now it's hard to classify it one way or the other, but I have my opinion.
The whole situation is made worse if the Giants need 3 QB's for a 2nd year. It's the Matthew McCants or Kyle Bozworth's who get cut for that 3rd QB.
RE: It tells me they aren't confident in Nassib winning the job
It was a stupid pick. They had way too many other needs to address. We beaten this horse before.
They have always brought 4 QBs to camp, even when David Carr was the unquestioned back up. It shouldn't tell you anything. We HAVE done this before, that's exactly the point.
and for a kid to be at that level I saw, (3.5 out of 10) my feeling is that he needs more reps with the 1st team which he hasn't gotten and isn't likely to get any time soon.
he may have been something if Jacksonville Cleveland or Arizona had him, but I already feel like it's too late
it's never been about Nassib's talent. I wouldn't know either way and on the pro level it's obviously too soon to have any kind of read on him.
What it is about, is that the the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of Eli still being here when Nassib becomes a FA, unless you think Eli is headed for a steep nosedive, which is merely a PROJECTION that shouldn't determine drafting him in Rd 4 when you clearly don't need him, imv
and for a kid to be at that level I saw, (3.5 out of 10) my feeling is that he needs more reps with the 1st team which he hasn't gotten and isn't likely to get any time soon.
he may have been something if Jacksonville Cleveland or Arizona had him, but I already feel like it's too late
To me, he's another Rhett Bohmar
What you saw on the field was a rookie QB running for his life behind an offensive line full of absolute crap. Not only was he learning a brand new system and acquainting himself with the speed of the NFL game, he also had to do it under a ridiculous amount of pressure. Hell, the starting offensive line last season as bad enough. How bad do you think the 3rd and 4th stringers were in preseason??
Hell, even Eli looked like a lost rookie at times last year.
The Raiders re-signed Tyler Wilson to their practice squad. Now he's in Tennessee.
We're talking about the 110th pick in the draft, who cost the Giants a four and a six. Not exactly Jamarcus Russell / Akili Smith territory. If it works out, great. If not, the damage isn't exactly irreparable. And yes, I understand that Day Three picks have value. But they have value as darts to throw, and the Giants chose to throw a couple at a QB with some upside.
Seems like there is a thread about him every other day. He is the back-up QB. Teams need a back-up QB. No one here has a clue how he would do if Eli were hurt. What is there to talk about?
well, if Nassib only plays the last 3 mins of each of the pre season
like trainwrecks at the beginnning of these preseason games.
Way too many times they come out flat, can't move the ball and show very little cohesion. A few efficient drives to start a pre-season game goes a long way in helping the backups get some more valuable reps.
But obviously this is a function of fixing a broken offense.
He's not indestructible. We need a good backup QB. The value was there from the Giants own boards.
The screw up was not playing Nassib at all during meaningless games. He could turn out to be a darn good QB. If so, what we gave up for him will be well worth it.
Give McAdoo a little time with him. Maybe we'll know this year if the guy has the right stuff. Look how Foles turned out.
and for a kid to be at that level I saw, (3.5 out of 10) my feeling is that he needs more reps with the 1st team which he hasn't gotten and isn't likely to get any time soon.
he may have been something if Jacksonville Cleveland or Arizona had him, but I already feel like it's too late
To me, he's another Rhett Bohmar
What you saw on the field was a rookie QB running for his life behind an offensive line full of absolute crap. Not only was he learning a brand new system and acquainting himself with the speed of the NFL game, he also had to do it under a ridiculous amount of pressure. Hell, the starting offensive line last season as bad enough. How bad do you think the 3rd and 4th stringers were in preseason??
Curtis, there is no arguing that.......what I am saying is that.....I think we ruined him...he never had the talent of an Aaron Rodgers, and I already think it's too late...
I hope he proves me wrong
I think there's a real chance that Eli doesn't return to form
which makes Nassib a solid, risk-mitigating pick. You also have to consider that both Reese and Coughlin - who know a heck of a lot about this subject - were surprised that Nassib was still there in the 4th, because they considered him so obviously talented enough to go earlier.
I continue to think that the Giants FO made a solid, rational decision with the trade and pick of Nassib. There's a lot of rose-colored thinking about Eli. He hasn't played at all well in about a season and a half. I'm not saying that he's necessarily done, but there's the obvious risk that he might be. Hence, you hedge against that risk.
RE: I think there's a real chance that Eli doesn't return to form
which makes Nassib a solid, risk-mitigating pick. You also have to consider that both Reese and Coughlin - who know a heck of a lot about this subject - were surprised that Nassib was still there in the 4th, because they considered him so obviously talented enough to go earlier.
I continue to think that the Giants FO made a solid, rational decision with the trade and pick of Nassib. There's a lot of rose-colored thinking about Eli. He hasn't played at all well in about a season and a half. I'm not saying that he's necessarily done, but there's the obvious risk that he might be. Hence, you hedge against that risk.
Eli has been getting HAMMERED for 3 season now due to a CRAPPY Offensive line, in 2011, he won us the SB, with no running game, and he was getting killed, i dont know how he survived that SF game, to to think drafting Nassib into that situation was insurance is not looking at the entire picture
Reese tried to be cute with that pick of Nassib and he cost us 2 picks to get, so we missed out on drafting the #1 OC on the draft at the 4th round and maybe a low pick , RB, corner or LB who could have helped us on specials and depth
you can get pretty good value in a RB in the late rounds today and we could have used him instead of signing a F/A
i hated the pick and I hate it more now
So lets say its the first game of 2014 and we are getting killed
like 28-0 at halftime. Eli looks awful and has thrown a few picks already.
We come out at halftime and midway through the 3rd QTR, Eli makes a bad decision and throws a pick-6. Now the game is out of reach at 35-0 and the offense looks completely depressed.
Do you sit Eli and put in Nassib to finish out the game?
Not saying its a permanent change, but should Nassib go in?
1) The #1 center in last year's draft was taken by the Cowboys in rd 1. I'm not sure what you are talking about frankly. Day 3 picks are rarely productive.
2) You are confidently predicting that Eli's problems stem entirely from the pathetic OL blocking for him. I think you are probably right but it's pure foolishness (I'm using that term with care) to be sure of that. Hence, risk mitigation.
you recognize Nassib as a trader. Giants may trade him this year or next for another need, say a tight end. If they do they have decided to not only go for it as they apparently have, but that they really can grab the ring this year.
People that keep saying Eli will be here in 5 years
After last season it's difficult for me to take any opinion on Manning that doesn't include a fair bit of caution seriously. All mitigating factors aside, he also just flat out sucked. I know their isn't a lot of history to point to on QBs absolutely falling off, but we all saw with our own eyes a really dreadful, like bottom of the league, QB. I think he'll be fine, but I also think there will be a lot of growing pains in a new system, with a first time coordinator.
A good, heady back-up QB is important. If Nassib can learn and master the system intellectually with Manning, be a resource in meetings and on the sideline, and also work legitimately with the second team receivers on a level that resembles the first team, he's worth the investment. It's obvious Nassib wasn't ready to do that, because they kept Painter. And with all jokes aside, I have never seen anything quite as bad on a field of play as Painter. Best case is we keep two QBs and Nassib takes steps towards being field-ready.
Seems like there is a thread about him every other day. He is the back-up QB. Teams need a back-up QB. No one here has a clue how he would do if Eli were hurt. What is there to talk about?
Lots of Syracuse fans on the site pulling for him and a few who believed the pre-draft nonsense about Nassib being a first-round talent.
What is the obsession with Nassib?
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Seems like there is a thread about him every other day. He is the back-up QB. Teams need a back-up QB. No one here has a clue how he would do if Eli were hurt. What is there to talk about?
He is not the backup QB!....If he was, Painter would not have been on the roster last year.....who came into the game when Eli went down?
As for trading him......think we get back a 4th and 6th for him? No way....
1) The #1 center in last year's draft was taken by the Cowboys in rd 1. I'm not sure what you are talking about frankly. Day 3 picks are rarely productive.
2) You are confidently predicting that Eli's problems stem entirely from the pathetic OL blocking for him. I think you are probably right but it's pure foolishness (I'm using that term with care) to be sure of that. Hence, risk mitigation.
Barrett Jones from Alabama was the #1 center in the draft by many pre draft evaluations
he was chosehn by the Rams in rd 4,
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2012 Rimington and 2011 Outland Trophy winner has played every spot on the line while helping the Tide win three BCS championships in the last four years. Has spent most of his time on the interior, which is where he projects best in the NFL. While not the strongest or most athletic lineman, Jones’ versatility, intelligence and high character should get him penciled in at guard or center for the next decade in the NFL. " Link - ( New Window )
After last season it's difficult for me to take any opinion on Manning that doesn't include a fair bit of caution seriously. All mitigating factors aside, he also just flat out sucked. I know their isn't a lot of history to point to on QBs absolutely falling off, but we all saw with our own eyes a really dreadful, like bottom of the league, QB. I think he'll be fine, but I also think there will be a lot of growing pains in a new system, with a first time coordinator.
A good, heady back-up QB is important. If Nassib can learn and master the system intellectually with Manning, be a resource in meetings and on the sideline, and also work legitimately with the second team receivers on a level that resembles the first team, he's worth the investment. It's obvious Nassib wasn't ready to do that, because they kept Painter. And with all jokes aside, I have never seen anything quite as bad on a field of play as Painter. Best case is we keep two QBs and Nassib takes steps towards being field-ready.
christian, Eli last year looked a lot like Craig Morton in 1976/77
then Morton got traded to a good team (Denver) and he took his team to the Super Bowl... bottom line , Eli is NOT Craig Morton, but a bad OL and a bad offense exacerbates any QB struggles, did Eli suck last year? YES. was the crap offense all due to him? NOPE... the poor drafting and player personal moves by Reese and Ross are truly to blame
You may be right that Barrett Green might have been a valuable draft selection for the Giants. He didn't start in 2013 but has apparently been showing some promise in StL. I think that's a legitimate hypothetical. Let's see how this turns out.
I think to use 2 picks to get Nassib at that point was being too cute while the lines where lanquishing
there were also a couple DL that were taken after Nassib that graded out higher
and you where right about the ranking, I should have said #1 OC left on the board
and Jones played Guard and LT also at 'Bama. by all accounts a solid kid and should have been a easy rd 4 selection based on out needs
and look now we had to spend FA dollars to get a Center, so we lost maybe the opportunity to get a Pass rusher or TE for Eli, it all come back to poor draft management and U really blame Ross, these are his rounds
He's third on the depth chart at center, and probably won't even be a factor there this season. More importantly, he fell deep into the fourth round because of a foot injury that cast doubt on when - if ever - his NFL career would actually begin. He would have been an intriguing pick, but we're not talking Clint Sintim / Max Unger here.
TWO totally wasted picks for the GIANTS, and a really bad landing place for a guy who should have gone to a team where he would have had a chance to play this year.
Nassib in year one, year two, and maybe even year three is no better back up than (and arguably not as good as) Painter, Carr, Rosenfels, J-Load, or any of a long list of free agents that they could have picked up off waivers or off the streets.
The only way Nassib will ever take a meaningful snap for the GIANTS is if Eli is seriously hurt, and if that happens that season is toast anyway.
And unless Eli suddenly retires in the next couple of years, Nassib is very likely to be elsewhere with NO compensation to the GIANTS before Eli hands over the offense to somebody else.
This selection illustrates perfectly how totally bankrupt the GIANTS drafting strategy has become, and why they were functionally a 3 or 4 win team last year before the football gods threw them 4 wins that they didn't really deserve to get.
And he most likely won't have any more trade value while he's a member of the GIANTS. They are not going to get anything more than an old pair of sweat socks or a stale ham sandwich for him in a trade.
You're simply ignoring the debate on this thread in your rant. What happens if Eli has a 2014 as miserable as his 2012 and 2013? Is Nassib still a bad pick then?
Or how about Eli goes down with a 2-month injury in the midst of a playoff run in 2015 and Nassib comes in and plays effectively?
Both of those scenarios are entirely possible at this point in time. And you don't know jack about what Nassib's trade value will be in the future.
now with a new system if Nassib can out play Eli. Both are now at the same point learning a new system. So if Nassib really wants to prove his worth, beat Eli. Eli's contract will be up soon, so prove you can lead the team and gain the confidence of the coaches and front office.
The OL could continue to suck, causing Eli to have a poor year which could fire the coaches, and have us not want to re-sign Eli. Now Nassib can be there as a starting point.
So we will see how things play it, but let's see how Nassib responds at the chance to learn a new system.
No one has any idea at all what kind of trade value
You're simply ignoring the debate on this thread in your rant. What happens if Eli has a 2014 as miserable as his 2012 and 2013? Is Nassib still a bad pick then?
Or how about Eli goes down with a 2-month injury in the midst of a playoff run in 2015 and Nassib comes in and plays effectively?
Both of those scenarios are entirely possible at this point in time. And you don't know jack about what Nassib's trade value will be in the future.
Cos,
very true. With this OL Eli could play poorly or get injured and Nassib would have to play. Then we evaluate him and see what we have in him. Also, it's a new system so he can certainly try to out play Eli. The coaching staff is on a 1 year deal basically so any big time shit show of a season could mean TC and the staff don't come back. I highly doubt we would re-sign Eli is that happened.
So very well Nassib could be our guy for now. I don't mind the mind. We wanted a younger back up. I don't see why people are up in arms. Brady has Mallett as a back up. Big Ben has Landry Jones, 4th round pick. So I am not sure what the whining is about. We wanted a younger back up. For years, we had veterans and now Eli is 33 so we want to have someone younger.
Brady was drafted in what round to back-up Bledsoe? He couldn't do squat his 1st year and look at what he did in his 2nd! Painter won't make it thru training camp. Remember Eli came out himself at the start of last season and said he was focusing on his family when he wasn't playing or practicing/studying at the facilities! He could shock all and not stay in the NFL when his contract expires, just saying.
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But I don't think there is anything wrong with taking a young QB and developing him... If he gets an oppty and has success (either regular season or preseason), then you have a solid insurance policy for Eli for the next few years and you might be able to flip him before he hits FA...
I don't see anybody calling Belichick stupid for drafting Mallett with a RD3 pick... And he arguably has the best QB in the NFL on his roster...
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the focus is on a talented young QB (when the starter may very well be on a severe decline) as opposed to other 4th Rd guys like Brewer who lack any shot at being NFL caliber
for Nassib to be Eli's successor ala Aaron Rodgers to Favre. Besides, he's probably not going to be happy on the bench for 2-3 seasons. Best case is that he starts looking good in preseason games (and as a backup should Eli go down) and he ups his value as trade bait. But Eli is probably gonna play at least 5 more years, if not more.
he was two wasted picks. I know JR should have faith in his roster...but the interior O-line, LB, RB and other position issues on last years club were quiet obvious to fans here on BBI how did the professionals miss it?
Teams can afford to take a shot at QB at times in the draft but not when you're roster is as full of holes as a swiss cheese and Eli is entrenched as your starter for years to come. IMO it would have been a bad decision to draft a QB at all last year but to trade up and do it was an egregious error plain and simple.
If Nassib is the answer for the Giants then why did they interview Jimmy Graoppolo - QB from Eastern Illinois at the Senior Bowl. Jimmy broke all of Tony Romo's records and he is a good prospect but the Giants got their man last year in the trade they made, right. Could it be that when Nassib got into a game he woefully under threw his receivers on those deep outs more than once? Shouldn't a young QB that just got in the game be so jacked up he consistently overthrows his target? Nassib is working hard and is a great kid but he will never approach that elusive title of "elite". Jerry is terrific at finding players to patch holes and he has to be because as a former draft scout he sucks at drafting, just saying.
If Nassib is the answer for the Giants then why did they interview Jimmy Graoppolo - QB from Eastern Illinois at the Senior Bowl. Jimmy broke all of Tony Romo's records and he is a good prospect but the Giants got their man last year in the trade they made, right. Could it be that when Nassib got into a game he woefully under threw his receivers on those deep outs more than once? Shouldn't a young QB that just got in the game be so jacked up he consistently overthrows his target? Nassib is working hard and is a great kid but he will never approach that elusive title of "elite". Jerry is terrific at finding players to patch holes and he has to be because as a former draft scout he sucks at drafting, just saying.
Yeah... I'm an old timer, and I remember the same thing being said about a QB taken in the 6th round by the Patriots who had their franchise QB playing well, and the fans were all up in arms about this Tom Brady kid. Not an "elite" QB because 32 teams passed on him at least 5 times. Looked bad out there when he got his first opportunities... waste of a pick. Never be anything. Journeyman. JAG. Heard it all. How the heck to any of you know what Nassib's capable of? How the heck did any of the Pats fans know what Tom Brady was capable of? You don't. Not at all. You're guessing.
Think about QB injuries. If Nassib learns and shows some signs of being a real QB in camp we have ourselves a "future" should Eli go down. Painter may be the #2 yet again this year but Nassib could be the #2 the next two years thereafter and could end up playing a big role should Eli get hurt.
Way to early to say anything about Nassib.
Andre Woodson was the next Tom Brady. Nassib doesn't get
Bomar was Favre and Perilloux was Moon, so both those guys are out too for delusional BBI comps for project QB picks.
And "You are only as good as your back-up QB" is nonsense. A team like the Broncos isn't stacking themselves silly for a short-term run because they believe in Brock Osweiler.
I disagree. You have to have a guy you are trying to groom behind your selected started. It isn't like Nassib was a #1 or #2 pick but rather a "developmental" pick with pro offense experience coming out of college.
Would anyone be shocked if he had a solid camp and was named #2 as early as this year? I know I would feel much more comfortable having a young guy with a hot camp than having an old guy and a nobody at #3. We'll see what we have this camp.
and for a kid to be at that level I saw, (3.5 out of 10) my feeling is that he needs more reps with the 1st team which he hasn't gotten and isn't likely to get any time soon.
he may have been something if Jacksonville Cleveland or Arizona had him, but I already feel like it's too late
The waste seems to be the extra pick used to get Nassib, and this screwing around with Curtis Painter at the same time.
its also questionable that he can get to a high level of play again
furthermore, why would you not want a young QB that could win you a few games should Eli suffer the same injury that he suffered vs Washington?
Yeah, it would have been nice to have seen him doing great things in pre-season days, but it's too soon to draw conclusions. Even if the odds are against Nassib being Eli's successor, I'm not sure it's fair to call it a wasted pick.
Mallett was a 3rd round pick and he's entering his final season. He's barely played in games (mop up only) and when he's played in pre-season he hasn't looked all that great IMO. If the Pats flip Mallett for a 3rd I see no reason it was a good pick. Use a pick on a QB this year so 4 years later you get the same pick back? What's the point.
I feel similarly about Nassib, only it was a 4th round pick. To make it not a wasted pick the Giants need either a) to trade him for better than a 4th round pick, b) don't extend Eli and Nassib becomes the starter. Am I missing any other acceptable outcomes?
I hate the fact the Giants needed 3 QB's last year and hope they don't this year too.
I don't see anybody calling Belichick stupid for drafting Mallett with a RD3 pick... And he arguably has the best QB in the NFL on his roster...
If Painter is on the final roster in September that is a bad sign, esp if it means two years in a row the Giants need 3 roster spots for QB's.
There are 4 outcomes with Nassib off the top of my head:
a) He replaces Eli as the Giants starting QB
b) He's traded for a better 4th round pick or a better round pick (or players)
c) He plays out his contract (though doesn't really see the field at all) and leaves via FA
d) He doesn't make it through his contract and is cut
A and B would be best cases, C and D would be wasted pick, right now it's hard to classify it one way or the other, but I have my opinion.
The whole situation is made worse if the Giants need 3 QB's for a 2nd year. It's the Matthew McCants or Kyle Bozworth's who get cut for that 3rd QB.
They have always brought 4 QBs to camp, even when David Carr was the unquestioned back up. It shouldn't tell you anything. We HAVE done this before, that's exactly the point.
he may have been something if Jacksonville Cleveland or Arizona had him, but I already feel like it's too late
To me, he's another Rhett Bohmar
What it is about, is that the the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of Eli still being here when Nassib becomes a FA, unless you think Eli is headed for a steep nosedive, which is merely a PROJECTION that shouldn't determine drafting him in Rd 4 when you clearly don't need him, imv
he may have been something if Jacksonville Cleveland or Arizona had him, but I already feel like it's too late
To me, he's another Rhett Bohmar
What you saw on the field was a rookie QB running for his life behind an offensive line full of absolute crap. Not only was he learning a brand new system and acquainting himself with the speed of the NFL game, he also had to do it under a ridiculous amount of pressure. Hell, the starting offensive line last season as bad enough. How bad do you think the 3rd and 4th stringers were in preseason??
We're talking about the 110th pick in the draft, who cost the Giants a four and a six. Not exactly Jamarcus Russell / Akili Smith territory. If it works out, great. If not, the damage isn't exactly irreparable. And yes, I understand that Day Three picks have value. But they have value as darts to throw, and the Giants chose to throw a couple at a QB with some upside.
Painter shouldn't be backup in Eli in pre season games nor on our Roster in Sept, if our HC knows anything about Eli.
If we carry 3 qbs again, we'll be signing out 8th rb again in 2014 by December
Way too many times they come out flat, can't move the ball and show very little cohesion. A few efficient drives to start a pre-season game goes a long way in helping the backups get some more valuable reps.
But obviously this is a function of fixing a broken offense.
He's not indestructible. We need a good backup QB. The value was there from the Giants own boards.
The screw up was not playing Nassib at all during meaningless games. He could turn out to be a darn good QB. If so, what we gave up for him will be well worth it.
Give McAdoo a little time with him. Maybe we'll know this year if the guy has the right stuff. Look how Foles turned out.
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and for a kid to be at that level I saw, (3.5 out of 10) my feeling is that he needs more reps with the 1st team which he hasn't gotten and isn't likely to get any time soon.
he may have been something if Jacksonville Cleveland or Arizona had him, but I already feel like it's too late
To me, he's another Rhett Bohmar
What you saw on the field was a rookie QB running for his life behind an offensive line full of absolute crap. Not only was he learning a brand new system and acquainting himself with the speed of the NFL game, he also had to do it under a ridiculous amount of pressure. Hell, the starting offensive line last season as bad enough. How bad do you think the 3rd and 4th stringers were in preseason??
Curtis, there is no arguing that.......what I am saying is that.....I think we ruined him...he never had the talent of an Aaron Rodgers, and I already think it's too late...
I hope he proves me wrong
I continue to think that the Giants FO made a solid, rational decision with the trade and pick of Nassib. There's a lot of rose-colored thinking about Eli. He hasn't played at all well in about a season and a half. I'm not saying that he's necessarily done, but there's the obvious risk that he might be. Hence, you hedge against that risk.
I continue to think that the Giants FO made a solid, rational decision with the trade and pick of Nassib. There's a lot of rose-colored thinking about Eli. He hasn't played at all well in about a season and a half. I'm not saying that he's necessarily done, but there's the obvious risk that he might be. Hence, you hedge against that risk.
Eli has been getting HAMMERED for 3 season now due to a CRAPPY Offensive line, in 2011, he won us the SB, with no running game, and he was getting killed, i dont know how he survived that SF game, to to think drafting Nassib into that situation was insurance is not looking at the entire picture
Reese tried to be cute with that pick of Nassib and he cost us 2 picks to get, so we missed out on drafting the #1 OC on the draft at the 4th round and maybe a low pick , RB, corner or LB who could have helped us on specials and depth
you can get pretty good value in a RB in the late rounds today and we could have used him instead of signing a F/A
i hated the pick and I hate it more now
We come out at halftime and midway through the 3rd QTR, Eli makes a bad decision and throws a pick-6. Now the game is out of reach at 35-0 and the offense looks completely depressed.
Do you sit Eli and put in Nassib to finish out the game?
Not saying its a permanent change, but should Nassib go in?
2) You are confidently predicting that Eli's problems stem entirely from the pathetic OL blocking for him. I think you are probably right but it's pure foolishness (I'm using that term with care) to be sure of that. Hence, risk mitigation.
He really doesn't strike me as the type of guy to linger in the NFL at 37-38 years old.
A good, heady back-up QB is important. If Nassib can learn and master the system intellectually with Manning, be a resource in meetings and on the sideline, and also work legitimately with the second team receivers on a level that resembles the first team, he's worth the investment. It's obvious Nassib wasn't ready to do that, because they kept Painter. And with all jokes aside, I have never seen anything quite as bad on a field of play as Painter. Best case is we keep two QBs and Nassib takes steps towards being field-ready.
oldutican : 9:37 am : link : reply
Seems like there is a thread about him every other day. He is the back-up QB. Teams need a back-up QB. No one here has a clue how he would do if Eli were hurt. What is there to talk about?
He is not the backup QB!....If he was, Painter would not have been on the roster last year.....who came into the game when Eli went down?
As for trading him......think we get back a 4th and 6th for him? No way....
2) You are confidently predicting that Eli's problems stem entirely from the pathetic OL blocking for him. I think you are probably right but it's pure foolishness (I'm using that term with care) to be sure of that. Hence, risk mitigation.
Barrett Jones from Alabama was the #1 center in the draft by many pre draft evaluations
he was chosehn by the Rams in rd 4,
"Bottom Line
2012 Rimington and 2011 Outland Trophy winner has played every spot on the line while helping the Tide win three BCS championships in the last four years. Has spent most of his time on the interior, which is where he projects best in the NFL. While not the strongest or most athletic lineman, Jones’ versatility, intelligence and high character should get him penciled in at guard or center for the next decade in the NFL. "
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A good, heady back-up QB is important. If Nassib can learn and master the system intellectually with Manning, be a resource in meetings and on the sideline, and also work legitimately with the second team receivers on a level that resembles the first team, he's worth the investment. It's obvious Nassib wasn't ready to do that, because they kept Painter. And with all jokes aside, I have never seen anything quite as bad on a field of play as Painter. Best case is we keep two QBs and Nassib takes steps towards being field-ready.
christian, Eli last year looked a lot like Craig Morton in 1976/77
then Morton got traded to a good team (Denver) and he took his team to the Super Bowl... bottom line , Eli is NOT Craig Morton, but a bad OL and a bad offense exacerbates any QB struggles, did Eli suck last year? YES. was the crap offense all due to him? NOPE... the poor drafting and player personal moves by Reese and Ross are truly to blame
there were also a couple DL that were taken after Nassib that graded out higher
and you where right about the ranking, I should have said #1 OC left on the board
and Jones played Guard and LT also at 'Bama. by all accounts a solid kid and should have been a easy rd 4 selection based on out needs
and look now we had to spend FA dollars to get a Center, so we lost maybe the opportunity to get a Pass rusher or TE for Eli, it all come back to poor draft management and U really blame Ross, these are his rounds
there was even a higher graded RB and an OT there
why pick a guy you come out and say I hope he never plays for us?
Nassib in year one, year two, and maybe even year three is no better back up than (and arguably not as good as) Painter, Carr, Rosenfels, J-Load, or any of a long list of free agents that they could have picked up off waivers or off the streets.
The only way Nassib will ever take a meaningful snap for the GIANTS is if Eli is seriously hurt, and if that happens that season is toast anyway.
And unless Eli suddenly retires in the next couple of years, Nassib is very likely to be elsewhere with NO compensation to the GIANTS before Eli hands over the offense to somebody else.
This selection illustrates perfectly how totally bankrupt the GIANTS drafting strategy has become, and why they were functionally a 3 or 4 win team last year before the football gods threw them 4 wins that they didn't really deserve to get.
Or how about Eli goes down with a 2-month injury in the midst of a playoff run in 2015 and Nassib comes in and plays effectively?
Both of those scenarios are entirely possible at this point in time. And you don't know jack about what Nassib's trade value will be in the future.
The OL could continue to suck, causing Eli to have a poor year which could fire the coaches, and have us not want to re-sign Eli. Now Nassib can be there as a starting point.
So we will see how things play it, but let's see how Nassib responds at the chance to learn a new system.
No one knows anything about this kid right now, present or future.
You might have better luck predicting the weather at this time next year.
You must be in some alternate universe where reason and probability are upside down.
Or how about Eli goes down with a 2-month injury in the midst of a playoff run in 2015 and Nassib comes in and plays effectively?
Both of those scenarios are entirely possible at this point in time. And you don't know jack about what Nassib's trade value will be in the future.
Cos,
very true. With this OL Eli could play poorly or get injured and Nassib would have to play. Then we evaluate him and see what we have in him. Also, it's a new system so he can certainly try to out play Eli. The coaching staff is on a 1 year deal basically so any big time shit show of a season could mean TC and the staff don't come back. I highly doubt we would re-sign Eli is that happened.
So very well Nassib could be our guy for now. I don't mind the mind. We wanted a younger back up. I don't see why people are up in arms. Brady has Mallett as a back up. Big Ben has Landry Jones, 4th round pick. So I am not sure what the whining is about. We wanted a younger back up. For years, we had veterans and now Eli is 33 so we want to have someone younger.
In comment 11583388 Matt G said:
I don't see anybody calling Belichick stupid for drafting Mallett with a RD3 pick... And he arguably has the best QB in the NFL on his roster...
the cardinals used that 6th round pick from the giants to draft RB andre ellington, whom was an excellent change of pace rb for them last year
A journeyman QB could've served as the clipboard holder for vet min.
Teams can afford to take a shot at QB at times in the draft but not when you're roster is as full of holes as a swiss cheese and Eli is entrenched as your starter for years to come. IMO it would have been a bad decision to draft a QB at all last year but to trade up and do it was an egregious error plain and simple.
Yeah... I'm an old timer, and I remember the same thing being said about a QB taken in the 6th round by the Patriots who had their franchise QB playing well, and the fans were all up in arms about this Tom Brady kid. Not an "elite" QB because 32 teams passed on him at least 5 times. Looked bad out there when he got his first opportunities... waste of a pick. Never be anything. Journeyman. JAG. Heard it all. How the heck to any of you know what Nassib's capable of? How the heck did any of the Pats fans know what Tom Brady was capable of? You don't. Not at all. You're guessing.
Way to early to say anything about Nassib.
Bomar was Favre and Perilloux was Moon, so both those guys are out too for delusional BBI comps for project QB picks.
And "You are only as good as your back-up QB" is nonsense. A team like the Broncos isn't stacking themselves silly for a short-term run because they believe in Brock Osweiler.
Would anyone be shocked if he had a solid camp and was named #2 as early as this year? I know I would feel much more comfortable having a young guy with a hot camp than having an old guy and a nobody at #3. We'll see what we have this camp.
In comment 11583485 I Love Clams Casino said:
he may have been something if Jacksonville Cleveland or Arizona had him, but I already feel like it's too late
To me, he's another Rhett Bohmar