Reese Briefly Talks Tight Ends

Waiting on Finley for two months?

or black unicorns, JPP's of TE's, etc.

We can wait all the way until training camp, which is 5 months, if need be.

the most sense to me.

Just say NO! to Finley

Troy Niklas in rounds 2 or 3

OR

C.J. Fiedorwicz in rounds 3 or 4

you mean the guy who caught 30-35 passes and dropped 5? The guy who can't nlock to sve his life? That Ed Dickson? Yes, makes a lot of sense

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Even at QB :)

The free agency market is bare at this point, obviously if Finley would be cleared or a TE is waived for salary cap reasons he certainly would look into it...but to come out and say...not pursuing FA help would let everyone know he is drafting one early...not smart.

Meanwhile:

Matt Millerþ@nfldraftscout·8 mins
Reports from UNC pro day indicate Eric Ebron having some drop issues...but he's still going top 20 on May 8.

Art Stapletonþ@art_stapleton·2 mins
RT @Schottey: Ebron had some early drops in 35-degree weather at a pro day, cue the people who question his hands.

Dickson has hands issues:

Elsayed PFF: Sig Stats: Drop Rate, TEs
"Down at the other end of things Ed Dickson didn’t help his free agent stock by dropping five of the 30 catchable balls thrown his way. An in-line blocker who struggles in this regard, there was little surprise when the Ravens opted to let him hit the open market after a number of opportunities spurned."

By all means let's draft him at 12. What could possibly go wrong with that type of pick.

would Myers now fit?

In comment 11586065 Defenderdawg said:

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Meanwhile: Matt Millerþ@nfldraftscout·8 mins Reports from UNC pro day indicate Eric Ebron having some drop issues...but he's still going top 20 on May 8. Art Stapletonþ@art_stapleton·2 mins RT @Schottey: Ebron had some early drops in 35-degree weather at a pro day, cue the people who question his hands.

At least he's consistent. Did the same in games.

Wait a couple months to sign Owen Daniels on the cheap, make Robinson your 3rd TE, say good bye to Pascoe and Donnell. TE situation solved.

Wish we kept Marty B.

talk about getting absolutely zero value out of a 4th round pick.

BC tight end Mike Naples, who is originally from jersey

26 reps, 34" vert and a 6.79 3-cone at pro day. played in a run 1st offense but surprised with his hands and route running at workout, where he also long and short-snapped

In comment 11586078 The_Taxman said:

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Wait a couple months to sign Owen Daniels on the cheap, make Robinson your 3rd TE, say good bye to Pascoe and Donnell. TE situation solved.

Rather have Fiederowicz in round 3. Better value.

Started talking about Donnell then brought up Robinson:

Thought Donnell had the most long range potential...but wasn't able to step up, mentally way behind, injuries set him back, not from pro-style offense, can't put eggs in his basket...then Dottino said, I'd know Jerry Reese won't like this but he (Donnell) might be the only TE I'd want to come back to training camp, I'm not a Adrien Robinson guy...

At 1:09
http://www.giants.com/videos/audio/BBK-324-Paul-Dottino-analyzes-Free-Agency/2e1389f3-6292-4ec4-97da-7b09fbbe7d3f

In comment 11586065 Defenderdawg said:

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Even at QB :) Matt Millerþ@nfldraftscout·8 mins Reports from UNC pro day indicate Eric Ebron having some drop issues...but he's still going top 20 on May 8. Art Stapletonþ@art_stapleton·2 mins RT @Schottey: Ebron had some early drops in 35-degree weather at a pro day, cue the people who question his hands. Dickson has hands issues: Elsayed PFF: Sig Stats: Drop Rate, TEs "Down at the other end of things Ed Dickson didn’t help his free agent stock by dropping five of the 30 catchable balls thrown his way. An in-line blocker who struggles in this regard, there was little surprise when the Ravens opted to let him hit the open market after a number of opportunities spurned."

His drop rate was over 11% in college. Observations "yes" but shouldn't be news for those on twitter.

and Lyerla with our 5th round comp pick.

In comment 11586091 jeff57 said:

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In comment 11586078 The_Taxman said: Quote: Wait a couple months to sign Owen Daniels on the cheap, make Robinson your 3rd TE, say good bye to Pascoe and Donnell. TE situation solved. Rather have Fiederowicz in round 3. Better value.

That's debatable. I think Fiederowicz is a good TE. But I think Niklas will be a better pro and is probably the most complete TE in the draft.

won't have to worry about a big tight end slam dunking the ball over the goal post after touchdowns next season.

NFL just instituted for next season there will be a penalty for it.

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and Lyerla with our 5th round comp pick.

You could probably get Lyerla in the 7th or as an UDFA. We don't have a 7th so we'd have to hope he goes undrafted. With his past issues that is a good possibility. The kid is very talented. If he could keep his head on right, he could be a weapon in this offense. He's a TE in the mold of a Hernandez. Problem is he may be a knucklehead in the mold of Hernandez too.

seems like as good a place as any to ask.

I, too, wish we had kept him, especially after seeing the shitty deal we ponied up to Myers.

Did he produce, or was he a case of 'damn, I'm glad we didn't pay him?'

In comment 11586169 fkap said:

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seems like as good a place as any to ask. I, too, wish we had kept him, especially after seeing the shitty deal we ponied up to Myers. Did he produce, or was he a case of 'damn, I'm glad we didn't pay him?'

Fkap, 65 catches, 759 yards, 5 TDs for Marty B.

Better than his 2012 with us in all measure.

the more I like Marcel Jensen.
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In comment 11586056 Big Blue '56 said:

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you mean the guy who caught 30-35 passes and dropped 5? The guy who can't nlock to sve his life? That Ed Dickson? Yes, makes a lot of sense

Finley can't block either. Neither can Graham. This is not your grandfathers nfl anymore.

And we're scraping the bottom of the barrel if we got the FA route. Dickson is young and has produced in the past. If we go with a FA, he makes the most sense.

30 balls thrown his way and he drops 5..Isn't that nearly a 20% drop rate?

I wouldn't even go after Finley with his dropsies, even if his neck checked out..

In comment 11586308 Kulish29 said:

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the more I like Marcel Jensen. Link - ( New Window )

You and me both.

and Robinson. Perhaps AR can see the field this year

Sorry hard to keep with it all

In comment 11586327 Big Blue '56 said:

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30 balls thrown his way and he drops 5..Isn't that nearly a 20% drop rate? I wouldn't even go after Finley with his dropsies, even if his neck checked out..

Sample size. Also I think drops are overrated. I'd rather have Dickson and his drops and ability to make an occasional play rather than say Pascoe and his surehandedness and ability to make no plays.

Getting open, making some plays after the catch and getting the defenses attention outweigh the occasional drop.

In comment 11586308 Kulish29 said:

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the more I like Marcel Jensen. Link - ( New Window )

Like him a lot, although admittedly that is from a very small sample. But I think you'll have to take him in the third, which would be fine IMO.

As far as Lyerla is concerned, my guess is that somebody takes a chance on him on day three. The Giants just signed Jerry, which may indicate a willingness to go after someone like Lyerla. Or Jerry may have used up their "quota" in that regard. What's concerning of course is that he quit his team, and has the bust for cocaine. When I asked about him a few weeks ago, somebody mentioned that he was caught with scales, which sounds like pretty serious involvement.

Also watch for A.C. Leonard. Great 40 time. Left Florida after a domestic altercation with his girlfriend, but is still a day three prospect. The Giants met with him.

you attempt to make your points on other topics..Very selective..Stop arguing just for the sake of it. Do you know HOW MANY times you quote stats to make your point? Somehow sample size is not germane in those cases

In comment 11586329 Klaatu said:

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In comment 11586308 Kulish29 said: Quote: the more I like Marcel Jensen. Link - ( New Window ) You and me both.

Reading that he likes to block and is very coachable screams 'Coughlin guy' to me. That he has garnered interest from the Pats is also a plus.

Five drops in 30 opportunities does not prove someone has bad hands. Do you have his career numbers? And again, drops are overrated. And also again, we're scrapping the bottom of the barrel. There's not an un flawed TE out there.

Who is your choice if the Giants sign a FA TE? Whoever Reese decides to sign?

that is not career-based and hence a small sample-size, I will point it out..Every time(if I see it, that is)...

No, I wouldn't sign any of the TEs that are available..

but there's nothing in free agency that excites.

TEs are garbage. Better off saving our money and drafting 1 of them and see if AR can actually contribute.

They were hoping he'd step up when Pitta went down, but he failed miserably.

I'd rather not sign a free agent TE just for the sake of signing one, no matter how crappy our TE corps is. I'm not ready to write Robinson off just yet, but I still hope the Giants draft a good TE prospect.

In comment 11586422 AnishPatel said:

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TEs are garbage. Better off saving our money and drafting 1 of them and see if AR can actually contribute.

I would imagine we will spend that money after the league's final pre-season cuts because it is difficult to imagine Robinson & Donnell and a rookie draft pick getting the job done.

And then a home-grown kid who'd done nothing in his first two years with the team blew them all away.

blew them away when an all time legend at QB happened to step in at QB and lead his team to the SB.

Tamme didn't do it. Morrah didn't do it.

but the whole offense that played had over inflated stats. And those TEs are average. I wouldn't want them on my team, and we have jack shit right now.

Better question. How smart is it to bank on a project pick when our history of project picks with Reese isn't good? Do you think that's an efficient move?

Sure, AR could be like you said and blow people way, but do you go into the season thinking that shit can happen, and thus not draft a TE? My point is pretend those TEs won't do well, and address the position. IF, and I mean IF, other guys raise their game, then good! That's fucking good! We want that shit to happen. If not, then no loss because, I can speak for myself, I didn't expect AR to do shit.

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We didn't have a starting TE in the Spring of 2011, either.. Klaatu : 2:52 pm : link : reply Until a kid from the PS made the most of an opportunity that came his way and helped us win a championship. Also, and it's a cliché, I know, but the draft isn't only about this year, although I wouldn't put it past Jerry Reese to see TE as our biggest immediate need and draft accordingly in the 1st round. That's been his M.O. for the past seven years. I just don't see what Ebron brings to the table that other TE prospects don't, outside of a marginal increase in straight-line speed? For the life of me, I just don't see why he's worth the 12th pick in this draft? But, as I said, that's just me.

I want the Giants to draft a good TE prospect. I don't want them to spend the 12th pick of the draft on Eric Ebron. If they do, so be it.

Lewan
Martin
Ebron
Gilbert
and finally Evans


In that order. If that plays out then I am happy.

questionable hands to go with weak blocking skills and we should use the 12th pick in the draft on him? Hope not.

Ebron

he'd better be Jeremy Shockey or better.

Anything less is a gross misuse of resources for a team with many holes to fill and much talent on the board.

In comment 11586568 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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he'd better be Jeremy Shockey or better. Anything less is a gross misuse of resources for a team with many holes to fill and much talent on the board.

I think he can be shockey or better. In this system, from what BM says that he will adapt the system to the players we have, I think he can be as productive.

an Air Bud type football catching dog or even re-training a one with a proficiency for grabbing fribees"

I wouldn't rule it out, it's a possibility. We investigate everything. - JR

Did I miss something?

Witten 2.0

CJ kicks niklas ass. Receiving they are equal. I think CJ is going to go higher in the draft then most people think.

Every TE gets open whether it is Witten, Dickson, Graham or Myers. Defenses do not play the TE no matter who it is. Get the Iowa TE in the 3rd as a good value and go from there

Finley can't block, has suspect hands and is not healthy. Dickson can't block and has suspect hands. Ebron can't block and has suspect hands. amaro liked up off the LOS 90% of the time - does he really know how to play the TE position

Get a guy with size to block and he will get open. Boss, Ballard, Bennett and even Myers were open - often

back pocket.

for example?

Shockey dropped plenty of passes. Good luck finding a TE that doesn't drop passes.

CJF in the 4th round.

would be the correct draft choice if selecting a TE.

[CBS Sports:]
STRENGTHS: Good versatility, showing the ability to come off a down block to get past defenders as a receiver. Good body control and soft hands for such a large man, traits that have led Washington junior Austin Seferian-Jenkins to earn a lot of attention as a possible first-round pick. Fiedorowicz isn't as flashy as ASJ, but he's just as big and fast in a straight-line and is a much more physical and attentive blocker.

--Dane Brugler

And he was also one of the best tight ends in the game for a few years. Dickson is a backup.

The best TE left is Owen Daniels. At least he can definitely catch the ball and while not a good blocker he knows how to play the position.

I am very concerned if Adrien Robinson was behind as a rookie because he was attending to academic requirements. I would expect a recently employed player to be concentrating on football, and focus on school the next off-season. Am I reading that Eisen quote wrong?

In comment 11586154 PeterS said:

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and Lyerla with our 5th round comp pick.

Now that I can get behind. I think Lyerla is as talented and can potentially be as impactful as any of these guys.

If he can get his shit together, I think he might be a steal. But I think some team will take a shot at him earlier than the 5th. Too high a ceiling there. I can easily see him going early 3rd round.

more veteran TEs to be released.

In comment 11587332 christian said:

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I am very concerned if Adrien Robinson was behind as a rookie because he was attending to academic requirements. I would expect a recently employed player to be concentrating on football, and focus on school the next off-season. Am I reading that Eisen quote wrong?

Exactly. He should never have been drafted that high, if they knew of his academic issues.

isnt that high..

In comment 11586053 chrispisano66 said:

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Troy Niklas in rounds 2 or 3 OR C.J. Fiedorwicz in rounds 3 or 4

I am on the same page here ,Nicklas in the second pick works for me unless someone great drops then Fiedorwicz works in the third.