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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/25/2014 11:45 am
FYI.
Jerry Reese: Tight end still a possibility for Giants in free agency - ( New Window )
Who?  
Big Blue '56 : 3/25/2014 11:53 am : link
Waiting on Finley for two months?
"We're always looking for good players"  
Giants2012 : 3/25/2014 11:56 am : link
or black unicorns, JPP's of TE's, etc.

Yup.  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/25/2014 11:57 am : link
We can wait all the way until training camp, which is 5 months, if need be.
Eisen re Adrien Robinson  
Big Blue '56 : 3/25/2014 11:58 am : link
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Do you have any thought as to why Adrien Robinson hasn't broken through on the TE Depth Chart? We seem to keep burning through 1-2 year trial guys since Shockey was let go, with Brandon Myers being the latest 1-year stop-gap. I had hoped Robinson would garner some playing time in 2013.
-Joe

Dear Joe:
Adrien Robinson has been held back by a couple of circumstances. As a rookie, he missed most of the spring practices because he was completing his academic requirements at Cincinnati. He never really caught up and played in just two games. Last year he was off the field for much of the spring because of a foot injury. It took a while to regain his health and when he did, the Giants had set a rotation without him. Robinson finally got on the field at Detroit on Dec. 22– and suffered a season-ending knee injury on the opening kickoff. He has to get on the field and produce once he gets there. He’ll get another opportunity this year.
Ed Dickson would make  
chris r : 3/25/2014 11:58 am : link
the most sense to me.
Hope not  
Vegas Steve : 3/25/2014 11:59 am : link
Just say NO! to Finley
...  
chrispisano66 : 3/25/2014 12:01 pm : link
Troy Niklas in rounds 2 or 3

OR

C.J. Fiedorwicz in rounds 3 or 4
Ed Dickson,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/25/2014 12:02 pm : link
you mean the guy who caught 30-35 passes and dropped 5? The guy who can't nlock to sve his life? That Ed Dickson? Yes, makes a lot of sense
can't block to save his life  
Big Blue '56 : 3/25/2014 12:03 pm : link
.
Reese always leaves it open to explore options  
Defenderdawg : 3/25/2014 12:05 pm : link
Even at QB :)

The free agency market is bare at this point, obviously if Finley would be cleared or a TE is waived for salary cap reasons he certainly would look into it...but to come out and say...not pursuing FA help would let everyone know he is drafting one early...not smart.

Meanwhile:

Matt Millerŝ@nfldraftscout·8 mins
Reports from UNC pro day indicate Eric Ebron having some drop issues...but he's still going top 20 on May 8.

Art Stapletonŝ@art_stapleton·2 mins
RT @Schottey: Ebron had some early drops in 35-degree weather at a pro day, cue the people who question his hands.

Dickson has hands issues:

Elsayed PFF: Sig Stats: Drop Rate, TEs
"Down at the other end of things Ed Dickson didn’t help his free agent stock by dropping five of the 30 catchable balls thrown his way. An in-line blocker who struggles in this regard, there was little surprise when the Ravens opted to let him hit the open market after a number of opportunities spurned."
A TE with bad hands and is a below average blocker  
Mason : 3/25/2014 12:10 pm : link
By all means let's draft him at 12. What could possibly go wrong with that type of pick.
With a change in Offense  
blakjedi : 3/25/2014 12:11 pm : link
would Myers now fit?
RE: Reese always leaves it open to explore options  
jeff57 : 3/25/2014 12:12 pm : link
In comment 11586065 Defenderdawg said:
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Meanwhile:

Matt Millerŝ@nfldraftscout·8 mins
Reports from UNC pro day indicate Eric Ebron having some drop issues...but he's still going top 20 on May 8.

Art Stapletonŝ@art_stapleton·2 mins
RT @Schottey: Ebron had some early drops in 35-degree weather at a pro day, cue the people who question his hands.



At least he's consistent. Did the same in games.
Draft Niklas in round 2  
The_Taxman : 3/25/2014 12:12 pm : link
Wait a couple months to sign Owen Daniels on the cheap, make Robinson your 3rd TE, say good bye to Pascoe and Donnell. TE situation solved.
I don't like any of those tight ends listed in that article.  
BeerFridge : 3/25/2014 12:12 pm : link
Wish we kept Marty B.
Robinson shold've been a 7th round pick at best  
spike : 3/25/2014 12:13 pm : link
talk about getting absolutely zero value out of a 4th round pick.
someone to keep an eye on  
area junc : 3/25/2014 12:19 pm : link
BC tight end Mike Naples, who is originally from jersey

26 reps, 34" vert and a 6.79 3-cone at pro day. played in a run 1st offense but surprised with his hands and route running at workout, where he also long and short-snapped
RE: Draft Niklas in round 2  
jeff57 : 3/25/2014 12:20 pm : link
In comment 11586078 The_Taxman said:
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Wait a couple months to sign Owen Daniels on the cheap, make Robinson your 3rd TE, say good bye to Pascoe and Donnell. TE situation solved.


Rather have Fiederowicz in round 3. Better value.
Dottino thoughts on Robinson yesterday  
Defenderdawg : 3/25/2014 12:27 pm : link
Started talking about Donnell then brought up Robinson:

Thought Donnell had the most long range potential...but wasn't able to step up, mentally way behind, injuries set him back, not from pro-style offense, can't put eggs in his basket...then Dottino said, I'd know Jerry Reese won't like this but he (Donnell) might be the only TE I'd want to come back to training camp, I'm not a Adrien Robinson guy...

At 1:09
http://www.giants.com/videos/audio/BBK-324-Paul-Dottino-analyzes-Free-Agency/2e1389f3-6292-4ec4-97da-7b09fbbe7d3f
RE: Reese always leaves it open to explore options  
Giants2012 : 3/25/2014 12:27 pm : link
In comment 11586065 Defenderdawg said:
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Even at QB :)

Matt Millerŝ@nfldraftscout·8 mins
Reports from UNC pro day indicate Eric Ebron having some drop issues...but he's still going top 20 on May 8.

Art Stapletonŝ@art_stapleton·2 mins
RT @Schottey: Ebron had some early drops in 35-degree weather at a pro day, cue the people who question his hands.

Dickson has hands issues:

Elsayed PFF: Sig Stats: Drop Rate, TEs
"Down at the other end of things Ed Dickson didn’t help his free agent stock by dropping five of the 30 catchable balls thrown his way. An in-line blocker who struggles in this regard, there was little surprise when the Ravens opted to let him hit the open market after a number of opportunities spurned."


His drop rate was over 11% in college. Observations "yes" but shouldn't be news for those on twitter.
Niklas in the second  
PeterS : 3/25/2014 12:38 pm : link
and Lyerla with our 5th round comp pick.
RE: RE: Draft Niklas in round 2  
The_Taxman : 3/25/2014 12:39 pm : link
In comment 11586091 jeff57 said:
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In comment 11586078 The_Taxman said:


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Wait a couple months to sign Owen Daniels on the cheap, make Robinson your 3rd TE, say good bye to Pascoe and Donnell. TE situation solved.



Rather have Fiederowicz in round 3. Better value.


That's debatable. I think Fiederowicz is a good TE. But I think Niklas will be a better pro and is probably the most complete TE in the draft.
Reese  
BigBlueinChicago : 3/25/2014 12:40 pm : link
won't have to worry about a big tight end slam dunking the ball over the goal post after touchdowns next season.

NFL just instituted for next season there will be a penalty for it.
RE: Niklas in the second  
The_Taxman : 3/25/2014 12:41 pm : link
In comment 11586154 PeterS said:
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and Lyerla with our 5th round comp pick.


You could probably get Lyerla in the 7th or as an UDFA. We don't have a 7th so we'd have to hope he goes undrafted. With his past issues that is a good possibility. The kid is very talented. If he could keep his head on right, he could be a weapon in this offense. He's a TE in the mold of a Hernandez. Problem is he may be a knucklehead in the mold of Hernandez too.
how did the unicorn do in C  
fkap : 3/25/2014 12:42 pm : link
seems like as good a place as any to ask.

I, too, wish we had kept him, especially after seeing the shitty deal we ponied up to Myers.

Did he produce, or was he a case of 'damn, I'm glad we didn't pay him?'
RE: how did the unicorn do in C  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/25/2014 1:39 pm : link
In comment 11586169 fkap said:
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seems like as good a place as any to ask.

I, too, wish we had kept him, especially after seeing the shitty deal we ponied up to Myers.

Did he produce, or was he a case of 'damn, I'm glad we didn't pay him?'


Fkap, 65 catches, 759 yards, 5 TDs for Marty B.

Better than his 2012 with us in all measure.
The more I read about him  
Kulish29 : 3/25/2014 1:47 pm : link
the more I like Marcel Jensen.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Ed Dickson,  
chris r : 3/25/2014 1:49 pm : link
In comment 11586056 Big Blue '56 said:
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you mean the guy who caught 30-35 passes and dropped 5? The guy who can't nlock to sve his life? That Ed Dickson? Yes, makes a lot of sense


Finley can't block either. Neither can Graham. This is not your grandfathers nfl anymore.

And we're scraping the bottom of the barrel if we got the FA route. Dickson is young and has produced in the past. If we go with a FA, he makes the most sense.
The guy can't catch.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/25/2014 1:52 pm : link
30 balls thrown his way and he drops 5..Isn't that nearly a 20% drop rate?

I wouldn't even go after Finley with his dropsies, even if his neck checked out..

RE: The more I read about him  
Klaatu : 3/25/2014 1:53 pm : link
In comment 11586308 Kulish29 said:
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the more I like Marcel Jensen. Link - ( New Window )


You and me both.
At this point, I'd draft a TE and go with Donnell  
Big Blue '56 : 3/25/2014 1:56 pm : link
and Robinson. Perhaps AR can see the field this year
Isn't Nicklas injured?  
oipolloi : 3/25/2014 1:58 pm : link
Sorry hard to keep with it all
RE: The guy can't catch.  
chris r : 3/25/2014 1:59 pm : link
In comment 11586327 Big Blue '56 said:
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30 balls thrown his way and he drops 5..Isn't that nearly a 20% drop rate?

I wouldn't even go after Finley with his dropsies, even if his neck checked out..


Sample size. Also I think drops are overrated. I'd rather have Dickson and his drops and ability to make an occasional play rather than say Pascoe and his surehandedness and ability to make no plays.

Getting open, making some plays after the catch and getting the defenses attention outweigh the occasional drop.
RE: The more I read about him  
AcidTest : 3/25/2014 1:59 pm : link
In comment 11586308 Kulish29 said:
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the more I like Marcel Jensen. Link - ( New Window )


Like him a lot, although admittedly that is from a very small sample. But I think you'll have to take him in the third, which would be fine IMO.

As far as Lyerla is concerned, my guess is that somebody takes a chance on him on day three. The Giants just signed Jerry, which may indicate a willingness to go after someone like Lyerla. Or Jerry may have used up their "quota" in that regard. What's concerning of course is that he quit his team, and has the bust for cocaine. When I asked about him a few weeks ago, somebody mentioned that he was caught with scales, which sounds like pretty serious involvement.

Also watch for A.C. Leonard. Great 40 time. Left Florida after a domestic altercation with his girlfriend, but is still a day three prospect. The Giants met with him.
Yeah, sample size until  
Big Blue '56 : 3/25/2014 2:01 pm : link
you attempt to make your points on other topics..Very selective..Stop arguing just for the sake of it. Do you know HOW MANY times you quote stats to make your point? Somehow sample size is not germane in those cases
RE: RE: The more I read about him  
Kulish29 : 3/25/2014 2:10 pm : link
In comment 11586329 Klaatu said:
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In comment 11586308 Kulish29 said:


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the more I like Marcel Jensen. Link - ( New Window )



You and me both.


Reading that he likes to block and is very coachable screams 'Coughlin guy' to me. That he has garnered interest from the Pats is also a plus.
What?  
chris r : 3/25/2014 2:11 pm : link
Five drops in 30 opportunities does not prove someone has bad hands. Do you have his career numbers? And again, drops are overrated. And also again, we're scrapping the bottom of the barrel. There's not an un flawed TE out there.

Who is your choice if the Giants sign a FA TE? Whoever Reese decides to sign?
From here on out, EVERY TIME you post something  
Big Blue '56 : 3/25/2014 2:17 pm : link
that is not career-based and hence a small sample-size, I will point it out..Every time(if I see it, that is)...

No, I wouldn't sign any of the TEs that are available..
I'd see if Owen Daniels has anything left as a vet backup  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/25/2014 2:19 pm : link
but there's nothing in free agency that excites.
All the free agent  
AnishPatel : 3/25/2014 2:21 pm : link
TEs are garbage. Better off saving our money and drafting 1 of them and see if AR can actually contribute.
chris, honestly, Baltimore couldn't wait to show Dickson the door.  
Klaatu : 3/25/2014 2:22 pm : link
They were hoping he'd step up when Pitta went down, but he failed miserably.

I'd rather not sign a free agent TE just for the sake of signing one, no matter how crappy our TE corps is. I'm not ready to write Robinson off just yet, but I still hope the Giants draft a good TE prospect.
RE: All the free agent  
Jimmy Googs : 3/25/2014 2:33 pm : link
In comment 11586422 AnishPatel said:
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TEs are garbage. Better off saving our money and drafting 1 of them and see if AR can actually contribute.


I would imagine we will spend that money after the league's final pre-season cuts because it is difficult to imagine Robinson & Donnell and a rookie draft pick getting the job done.
Denver signed a number of free agent TEs last year.  
Klaatu : 3/25/2014 3:00 pm : link
And then a home-grown kid who'd done nothing in his first two years with the team blew them all away.
Ironically  
AnishPatel : 3/25/2014 3:01 pm : link
blew them away when an all time legend at QB happened to step in at QB and lead his team to the SB.
Dreesen didn't do it.  
Klaatu : 3/25/2014 3:05 pm : link
Tamme didn't do it. Morrah didn't do it.
Okay  
AnishPatel : 3/25/2014 3:12 pm : link
but the whole offense that played had over inflated stats. And those TEs are average. I wouldn't want them on my team, and we have jack shit right now.

Better question. How smart is it to bank on a project pick when our history of project picks with Reese isn't good? Do you think that's an efficient move?

Sure, AR could be like you said and blow people way, but do you go into the season thinking that shit can happen, and thus not draft a TE? My point is pretend those TEs won't do well, and address the position. IF, and I mean IF, other guys raise their game, then good! That's fucking good! We want that shit to happen. If not, then no loss because, I can speak for myself, I didn't expect AR to do shit.
From the Ebron Pro Day thread:  
Klaatu : 3/25/2014 3:17 pm : link
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We didn't have a starting TE in the Spring of 2011, either..
Klaatu : 2:52 pm : link : reply

Until a kid from the PS made the most of an opportunity that came his way and helped us win a championship.

Also, and it's a cliché, I know, but the draft isn't only about this year, although I wouldn't put it past Jerry Reese to see TE as our biggest immediate need and draft accordingly in the 1st round. That's been his M.O. for the past seven years.

I just don't see what Ebron brings to the table that other TE prospects don't, outside of a marginal increase in straight-line speed? For the life of me, I just don't see why he's worth the 12th pick in this draft? But, as I said, that's just me.


I want the Giants to draft a good TE prospect. I don't want them to spend the 12th pick of the draft on Eric Ebron. If they do, so be it.
These are my guys  
AnishPatel : 3/25/2014 3:20 pm : link
Lewan
Martin
Ebron
Gilbert
and finally Evans


In that order. If that plays out then I am happy.
So he has  
TMS : 3/25/2014 3:24 pm : link
questionable hands to go with weak blocking skills and we should use the 12th pick in the draft on him? Hope not.
Referring to  
TMS : 3/25/2014 3:25 pm : link
Ebron
If they spend the 12th pick on the draft on him  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/25/2014 3:26 pm : link
he'd better be Jeremy Shockey or better.

Anything less is a gross misuse of resources for a team with many holes to fill and much talent on the board.
RE: If they spend the 12th pick on the draft on him  
AnishPatel : 3/25/2014 3:28 pm : link
In comment 11586568 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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he'd better be Jeremy Shockey or better.

Anything less is a gross misuse of resources for a team with many holes to fill and much talent on the board.


I think he can be shockey or better. In this system, from what BM says that he will adapt the system to the players we have, I think he can be as productive.
"Jerry there are rumors that you are considering signing  
NoGainDayne : 3/25/2014 3:35 pm : link
an Air Bud type football catching dog or even re-training a one with a proficiency for grabbing fribees"

I wouldn't rule it out, it's a possibility. We investigate everything. - JR
Seems like all the love for Amaro has quieted down...  
Damon : 3/25/2014 3:40 pm : link
Did I miss something?
Love Amaro  
A Aron Balakey : 3/25/2014 4:18 pm : link
Witten 2.0
When it comes to blocking  
scott in albany : 3/25/2014 5:14 pm : link
CJ kicks niklas ass. Receiving they are equal. I think CJ is going to go higher in the draft then most people think.
TE  
stretch234 : 3/25/2014 5:53 pm : link
Every TE gets open whether it is Witten, Dickson, Graham or Myers. Defenses do not play the TE no matter who it is. Get the Iowa TE in the 3rd as a good value and go from there

Finley can't block, has suspect hands and is not healthy. Dickson can't block and has suspect hands. Ebron can't block and has suspect hands. amaro liked up off the LOS 90% of the time - does he really know how to play the TE position

Get a guy with size to block and he will get open. Boss, Ballard, Bennett and even Myers were open - often
Reese probably has a trade deal in his  
PEEJ : 3/25/2014 6:02 pm : link
back pocket.
PEEj,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/25/2014 6:03 pm : link
for example?
How soon we forget.  
RDJR : 3/25/2014 6:18 pm : link
Shockey dropped plenty of passes. Good luck finding a TE that doesn't drop passes.
I like  
Rjanyg : 3/25/2014 6:41 pm : link
CJF in the 4th round.
C.J. Fiedorwicz  
mrvax : 3/25/2014 6:54 pm : link
would be the correct draft choice if selecting a TE.

[CBS Sports:]
STRENGTHS: Good versatility, showing the ability to come off a down block to get past defenders as a receiver. Good body control and soft hands for such a large man, traits that have led Washington junior Austin Seferian-Jenkins to earn a lot of attention as a possible first-round pick. Fiedorowicz isn't as flashy as ASJ, but he's just as big and fast in a straight-line and is a much more physical and attentive blocker.

--Dane Brugler
Yea shockey dropped SOME passes  
djm : 3/25/2014 8:42 pm : link
And he was also one of the best tight ends in the game for a few years. Dickson is a backup.

The best TE left is Owen Daniels. At least he can definitely catch the ball and while not a good blocker he knows how to play the position.
...  
christian : 3/25/2014 8:50 pm : link
I am very concerned if Adrien Robinson was behind as a rookie because he was attending to academic requirements. I would expect a recently employed player to be concentrating on football, and focus on school the next off-season. Am I reading that Eisen quote wrong?
RE: Niklas in the second  
Modus Operandi : 3/25/2014 9:12 pm : link
In comment 11586154 PeterS said:
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and Lyerla with our 5th round comp pick.


Now that I can get behind. I think Lyerla is as talented and can potentially be as impactful as any of these guys.

If he can get his shit together, I think he might be a steal. But I think some team will take a shot at him earlier than the 5th. Too high a ceiling there. I can easily see him going early 3rd round.
Reese is waiting for..  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 3/25/2014 9:29 pm : link
more veteran TEs to be released.
RE: ...  
spike : 3/25/2014 10:36 pm : link
In comment 11587332 christian said:
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I am very concerned if Adrien Robinson was behind as a rookie because he was attending to academic requirements. I would expect a recently employed player to be concentrating on football, and focus on school the next off-season. Am I reading that Eisen quote wrong?


Exactly. He should never have been drafted that high, if they knew of his academic issues.
4th round  
Blue Blood : 3/25/2014 10:47 pm : link
isnt that high..
RE: ...  
ReneNYG1 : 3/26/2014 11:09 am : link
In comment 11586053 chrispisano66 said:
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Troy Niklas in rounds 2 or 3

OR

C.J. Fiedorwicz in rounds 3 or 4




I am on the same page here ,Nicklas in the second pick works for me unless someone great drops then Fiedorwicz works in the third.
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