Orr Star-Ledger: Is Trindon Holliday more than a return man?

He's a turnover machine, he may have the highest fumble rate per touch than any player in the NFL

needs to work on his math...

He's also a smurf.

difference

your children for good grades.

I think the point of Holliday is to be strictly KR/PR to relieve Randle, Jernigan and Wilson of those duties.

Those 3 haven't quite developed as originally planned and with a new offense they get to focus solely on their primary positions.

on WR screens. Maybe him in the backfield as well in short yardage situations. If the old plays are in this system too, then perhaps on reverses we can see him.

only much different?

One of the dumbest quotes I've seen in a while.
He is no where near Percy Harvin as a player.

does not have faith in his ability to hold onto the ball, we won't be seeing very much of him at all. He also is not like Percey because you can run those end arounds to percy due to him being a receiving threat. Holliday is not much of a receiving threat at his size, unfortunately. I like the signing as there is big upside and little downside. I am just keeping my expectations level.

Here he is being pwn3d by a kicker.



And I'm 5'3 so I can say that. I do weigh a buck 80 though... lol.

His diminuative hands could benefit from gloves that put more friction and increase surface area on the ball.

your a fatass. and I'm a fatass so i can say that.

Nuh-uh. I ain't super lean right now, for sure... but I am far away from fat. I'm getting old but I'm still a muscle-head.... lol

wouldn't Denver have added him to that offense?
Although, maybe in this new offense, he's a catch-go out of bounds so you don't fumble-kind of receiver

then teams would never get players from other teams.

needed him to contribute to that offense. I mean, look at what they did, highest scoring team ever.

Now, the Giants you'd think should be able to get this guy involved in 1 or 2 plays every game where he can at least go deep and draw coverage, or conversly simply get deep and make a play.

His size limits him incredibly, but a few plays a game, even as a decoy, can be the difference in scoring points that win you a game.

that a person weighing in at 170 pounds can actually play in the NFL. What would happen to him if he got tackled?

 

in for him. Put him in motion or Cluster him with a few other wrs and the defenses would have to account for him. Being that small, I think he'd struggle to get off the line using him any other way.

Personally, I'd settle for just doing returns with no fumbles.

Baker was 160 pounds. But he was 5'8''.

Moss never did anything on the playing field.

Holliday has six return TD's in two years.

In comment 11588449 mrvax said:

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that a person weighing in at 170 pounds can actually play in the NFL. What would happen to him if he got tackled?

Isn't Desean Jackson just why over 170? To a certain point, speed trumps size.

The Texans drafted him as a return man and project. Nearing his 28th birthday, that's still what he is.

The fumbling is pretty amazing. On a per-touch basis, he fumbles more than five times as often as Tiki Barber. Even at his worst, Tiki fumbled less than a quarter as often as Holliday. The problem mostly manifests on punts, which is unfortunate, considering the League's ongoing phase-out of kickoff returns.

weighed 180 when he came up

Darren Sproles is 5'6" and 180 lbs


small guys with tremendous quickness have succeeded in the past. If he can stop the fumbling, it is not inconceivable that he could contribute on offense

The BBI recycled joke brigade is loosing their touch

doesn't a guy have to be on the field for a fair amount of snaps for these reverses, WR screens, backfield tosses to work effectively?

Otherwise the few times Holliday lines up with the Offense it is a dead-giveaway that the ball is coming his way.

Trindon needs to be the best returner he can be and hold onto the ball. Lets save the cutie-pie shit for later...

and he will get benched for 8 straight weeks. Stubborn coaches

fucked up my joke about other people's jokes

"Speed is the great equalizer."

If you use him in the right situations, he can be very effective.

And Eric is right, this guy made more plays last season alone than Moss did his entire career.

In comment 11588600 Jimmy Googs said:

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doesn't a guy have to be on the field for a fair amount of snaps for these reverses, WR screens, backfield tosses to work effectively? Otherwise the few times Holliday lines up with the Offense it is a dead-giveaway that the ball is coming his way. Trindon needs to be the best returner he can be and hold onto the ball. Lets save the cutie-pie shit for later...

Not necessarily. He can be a decoy. And if no one picks him up, then he can become an actual option.

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“He is just like Percy Harvin, he’s just four inches shorter,” [D.J.] McCarthy said in a telephone interview.

D.J. McCarthy has his head stuck up his ass.

Again "listed"...for example no one active in the 60's was listed under 5-10...so take it for what its worth:

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Jim Ostendarp.... 5-8 178 RB 1950-51 Rush 144 PR 13.0 KR 20.8 Duke Maronic..... 5-9 209 OG 1951 Bobby Epps....... 5-9 198 FB 1954-57 Rush 771 Rec 109 Walt Love........ 5-9 180 KR 1973 KR 22.0 Leon McQuay...... 5-9-200 RB 1974 KR 27.6 PR 11.6 Rush 240 Rondy Colbert.... 5-9 185 CB/KR 1975-76 KR 23.7 PR 7.8 Gordon Bell...... 5-9 180 RB 1976-77 Rush 296 Rec 231 KR 19.6 Jimmy Robinson... 5-9 170 WR 1976-79 Rec 1437 PR 5.9 KR 21.6 Tony Green....... 5-9 185 KR 1979 KR 17.8 PR 5.7 Steve Odom....... 5-8 173 KR 1979 KR 21.8 PR 2.9 Gene Washington.. 5-9 172 WR 1979 Alvin Garrett.... 5-7 178 WR 1980-81 KR 20.2 PR 8.0 Rec 69 Rush 31 Leon Bright...... 5-9 192 RB 1981-83 KR 20.6 PR 8.0 Rush 204 Rec 343 Joe Morris....... 5-7 195 RB 1982-89 Rush 5296 Rec 884 KR 15.9 Stephen Baker.... 5-8 160 WR 1987-92 Rec 2587 PR 6.3 Dave Meggett..... 5-7 170 RB 1989-94 Rush 1228 Rec 2194 KR 20.5 PR 11.0 A. J. Greene..... 5-8 167 CB 1991 Mark Jackson..... 5-9 180 WR 1993-94 Rec 708 Keith Elias...... 5-9 203 RB 1994-96 Rush 72 Rec 120 Thomas Randolph.. 5-9 180 CB 1994-97 Int 4 Gary Harrell..... 5-7 170 KR 1995 KR 1-23.0 PR 6.3 Kevin Alexander.. 5-9 185 WR 1996-97 Rec 364 KR 11.4 Brandon Sanders.. 5-9 185 SF/ST 1997-99 Bashir Levingston 5-9 180 KR/CB 1999-00 KR 23.6 Int 1 Emmanuel McDaniel 5-9 180 CB 1999-01 Int 6 KR 1-17 Reggie Stephens.. 5-9 200 CB 1999-00, 02 Int 3 KR 23.0 Daryl Jones...... 5-9 190 KR 2002 PR 4.7 KR 19.5 Rec 90 Delvin Joyce..... 5-7 195 KR/RB 2002-03 Rush 41 KR 22.6 PR 8.1 Terry Cousin..... 5-9 181 FS 2004 Int 1 Mark Jones....... 5-9 185 KR 2004 PR 6.7 KR 18.5 Kevin Dockery.... 5-8 188 CB 2006-09 Int 3 Chad Morton...... 5-8 203 KR 2005-06 KR 22.3 PR 9.5 Sinorice Moss.... 5-8 185 WR 2006-09 Rec 421 PR 6.7 KR 19.4 Darius Reynaud... 5-9 201 KR 2010 PR 5.7 KR 18.4 Jerrel Jernigan.. 5-9 181 WR 2011-13 Rec 351 KR 24.6 Trumaine McBride. 5-9 185 CB 2013 Int 2

will be picking Holliday up off the field with a sponge.

plays with attitude, something sorely missed on the Giants. If Wilson cannot play that will definitely increase his chances of playing on offense. I wouldnt count the guy out before mini camps even begin.

In comment 11589330 Glover said:

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plays with attitude, something sorely missed on the Giants. If Wilson cannot play that will definitely increase his chances of playing on offense. I wouldnt count the guy out before mini camps even begin.

I was about to say that Holliday reminds me of Refrigerator Perry. Only he's like 4" shorter.