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Interest in Evans/Ebron is all just a smokescreen

EliMcAdooEra : 11:30 am
The guy the Giants really want is Aaron Donald. He's their guy.

They're intentionally showing interest in Evans and Ebron to throw teams off

Think about it...the Giants would never make it obvious that they're targeting certain guys leading up to the draft

The interest in Evans/Ebron is all just a ploy IMO...in previous years they've always drafted guys they never interviewed or showed interest in

Giants are doing an excellent job so far of HIDING their interest in their main target which is Donald
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I'd have to see  
AnishPatel : 12:34 pm : link
how it pans out. It's all hypothetical. Based on Ross's drafts so far they have sucked. Do I trust he can have a great draft now? No.. He hasn't shown shit. Since Reese became GM, and hired Ross our drafts have gone down hill as a while.

If that's the case let's see how it would pan out. We can't swing and miss this draft. This year is very important. If we fuck up this draft and our team suffers it has the potential to impact the coaching staff, in terms of employment and that will in turn effect Eli. I doubt we'd invest in Eli longer, if our offense fucks up.

Let's see what Ross and Reese can do in the draft, and how our FA signings do. That's why I stated this year will be very exciting. So much change and now we have to see how it all comes together.
Because the best way  
NVA_Blue : 12:34 pm : link
to fix a "broken offense" after almost exclusively spending FA dollars on defense and ST is to draft...more defense.

Sorry, not buying it. Giants need OL or weapons for Eli, unless someone unexpected (Mack) falls to us, i cant imagine Reese not using his high picks on that side of the ball.
Donald and Jenkins play the same position  
Donald will be Jenkins future replacement if drafted like Hankins was for Linval
RE: Because the best way  
In comment 11592305 NVA_Blue said:
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to fix a "broken offense" after almost exclusively spending FA dollars on defense and ST is to draft...more defense.

Sorry, not buying it. Giants need OL or weapons for Eli, unless someone unexpected (Mack) falls to us, i cant imagine Reese not using his high picks on that side of the ball.



Exactly...Sounds like they have been setting themselves up to go O O O in this years draft

Now is not the time to spend 12 on a backup DT
The entire premise...  
Chris in Philly : 12:38 pm : link
is flawed. One thing they've never been good at is smokescreens (among other screens).

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Think about it...the Giants would never make it obvious that they're targeting certain guys leading up to the draft


Um, yes they would. They do it all the time.

You could be correct TC  
Wonderphil11 : 12:38 pm : link
which is why it's impossible to make any kind of declarative statements in regards to who they WILL pick. I'm a big fan of Donald and would love for them to pick him but who knows what the Giants think.

One thing I absolutely do know...if they do pick Donald, this place will detonate the minute he gives one yard on a run play up the middle.

There are two players in this draft I'm very interested in following regardless of who drafts them as the pro/con debates have been very interesting....Johnny Football and Donald.
Chris,  
AnishPatel : 12:40 pm : link
It's funny because one would never think that. Like Eric said, when looking back it is surprising on some of the picks we knew for a while we wanted those specific players. Nicks or Britt was the question. Nicks was a popular choice. I remember Kenny P. for a while because we needed a safety.

I wonder if that's the case this year or not.
@ NVA Blue  
EliMcAdooEra : 12:40 pm : link
We made a number of FA signings on offense.

We signed a starting RB (Jennings), a starting LG (Schwartz), the likely starting C (Walton), a potential starting RG (Jerry), and a #3/#4 WR (Manningham)

So...you are wrong.

And, just because we take Donald in Round 1 doesn't mean we can't use the next few picks (Rounds 2-4) all on offense.

We can get an OL, WR, TE in Rounds 2-4.
"Now is not the time to spend 12 on a backup DT"  
EliMcAdooEra : 12:43 pm : link
Not necessarily.

Donald can start at LDE on 1st/2nd downs. He's versatile - played both DT and DE in college. He would be a great fit at LDE for us.

Then on 3rd downs, he can move inside with Jenkins to rush the passer.
I think....  
EliDLINEera : 12:43 pm : link
We will Draft Zack Martin....its kind of like last year where it is a slight reach but a safe pick. No Mock drafts had Pugh going that high but all it takes is for one team to like you. Obviously our scouts know more then these websites. Most Mocks have Martin going to the Dolphins at 19 but i think Martin will def be our pick...hes a safe pick and a need and fits what the Giants draft. As much as i like Donald Reese has never drafted a DT in the first round but he has drafted pass rushers which Donald is so maybe hes the exemption.
Giants like to draft DTs high to replace current guys 1 year later  
EliMcAdooEra : 12:45 pm : link
We drafted Joseph to replace Cofield

We drafted Hankins to replace Joseph

It makes plenty of sense that we draft Donald to replace Jenkins

Cullen is 33 and has 1 year left on his deal. Giants currently have no 3-technique for 2015.
NVABlue is not wrong, just shows how many holes O has.  
So Donald is going to play DE now?

Seems like an odd move considering Kiwi and a promising Moore are already on the team
They can fix DT short term and worry about it later  
There are glaring issues with the offense and the ship must be righted this season

Fix the O in the short and long term with this draft

Eli needs to be protected and given weapons
It was the case because  
BigBlueCane : 12:48 pm : link
Accorsi has model he stuck to and Reese follows that model.

He addressed the OL in Free Agency along with the Cornerbacks.

Now the draft sets up for them to address a playmaker on offense in the first round and some pass rushers or RB's in 2-3.


RE: They can fix DT short term and worry about it later  
AnishPatel : 1:04 pm : link
In comment 11592347 Giants Fan in Steelers Land said:
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There are glaring issues with the offense and the ship must be righted this season

Fix the O in the short and long term with this draft

Eli needs to be protected and given weapons


I agree with you 100%. If this is Eli's prime they need to go balls out and give Eli talent, especially as we implement this new system. Give BM the players to run this system at a high level.
RE: @ NVA Blue  
NVA_Blue : 1:13 pm : link
In comment 11592319 EliMcAdooEra said:
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We made a number of FA signings on offense.

So...you are wrong.

And, just because we take Donald in Round 1 doesn't mean we can't use the next few picks (Rounds 2-4) all on offense.

We can get an OL, WR, TE in Rounds 2-4.


I loved the Manningham signing as much as anyone, said so multiple times on threads, but even i will admit that we have no idea whats left in the tank post knee injuries. Whether or not they address it early, they need another body that can contribute as a pass catching weapon (be it WR or TE).

With the 3 guys they added, every single one has warts. Jerry was never regarded as even an average pass blocker and theres the possible suspension, Walton hasn't played a down in almost 2 years, and Schwartz is on his 3rd team in 3 years. I really love the fact that they went out and got size and depth on the line, but unless you can say 100% that Beatty will be healthy and productive (no one can at this point) then Eli's blind side is a major concern.

I dont disagree that there are guys available in rounds 2-4 at TE and WR (I like Nikolas and Montcreif, for the record), the question becomes can you fill such an important position (LT) in rounds 2-4...when the chances of lasting contributions (let alone immediate) diminish greatly for each prospect as you get further along in the draft. Worst case...should Beatty not regain form, they have a massive hole on the line this year into next.

I wouldn't be surprised to see DT . . . .  
TC : 1:17 pm : link
addressed in FA as other teams cut down their rosters. Or more correctly, I WOULD expect to see that with so few remaining DT's on the roster. Jenkins is a good starting DT, and Hankins has promise. I don't know that they need, or should spend, a first round pick on another if they can pick up some decent guys for rotation in future cuts.
RE: I'd have to see  
GmenDynasty : 1:22 pm : link
In comment 11592303 AnishPatel said:
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how it pans out. It's all hypothetical. Based on Ross's drafts so far they have sucked. Do I trust he can have a great draft now? No.. He hasn't shown shit. Since Reese became GM, and hired Ross our drafts have gone down hill as a while.

If that's the case let's see how it would pan out. We can't swing and miss this draft. This year is very important. If we fuck up this draft and our team suffers it has the potential to impact the coaching staff, in terms of employment and that will in turn effect Eli. I doubt we'd invest in Eli longer, if our offense fucks up.

Let's see what Ross and Reese can do in the draft, and how our FA signings do. That's why I stated this year will be very exciting. So much change and now we have to see how it all comes together.


from the third on they have been underwhelming compared to Reese but i think they almost have never missed on the first rounder (Reese has a big say in that one) and the second rounders have been some hit some miss.

I like our chances in this loaded draft with a second round OL.

How do we know that the smokescreen isn't a smokescreen  
GiantJake : 1:23 pm : link
Perhaps the Giants are faking interest in Evans and Ebron to draw people's attention away from their serious interest in Evans and Ebron.
RE: RE: @ NVA Blue  
GmenDynasty : 1:24 pm : link
In comment 11592433 NVA_Blue said:
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In comment 11592319 EliMcAdooEra said:


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We made a number of FA signings on offense.

So...you are wrong.

And, just because we take Donald in Round 1 doesn't mean we can't use the next few picks (Rounds 2-4) all on offense.

We can get an OL, WR, TE in Rounds 2-4.



I loved the Manningham signing as much as anyone, said so multiple times on threads, but even i will admit that we have no idea whats left in the tank post knee injuries. Whether or not they address it early, they need another body that can contribute as a pass catching weapon (be it WR or TE).

With the 3 guys they added, every single one has warts. Jerry was never regarded as even an average pass blocker and theres the possible suspension, Walton hasn't played a down in almost 2 years, and Schwartz is on his 3rd team in 3 years. I really love the fact that they went out and got size and depth on the line, but unless you can say 100% that Beatty will be healthy and productive (no one can at this point) then Eli's blind side is a major concern.

I dont disagree that there are guys available in rounds 2-4 at TE and WR (I like Nikolas and Montcreif, for the record), the question becomes can you fill such an important position (LT) in rounds 2-4...when the chances of lasting contributions (let alone immediate) diminish greatly for each prospect as you get further along in the draft. Worst case...should Beatty not regain form, they have a massive hole on the line this year into next.


If Lewan's gone, do you reach for Martin with other absolute studs at other psoitions sitting there ripe for the pciking at 12?
What are you doing dude!  
NYGmen58 : 1:25 pm : link
You just blew the Giants cover!

Now because of you, the cat's out of the bag, and 11 other teams are going to change their drafting strategy so the Giants get stuck with a WR a TE.
We NEED a #1WR and top TE  
old man : 1:27 pm : link
so I doubt its a smokescreen.
Unless you think one of those is available in FA or 2-6 in the draft.
GD,  
AnishPatel : 1:28 pm : link
Yeah we have hit on our first rounders for the most part. The Seahawks did well because they hit big time between rounds 2-7. That's where they did so well. That includes finding their QB in round 3.

We need to do a lot better. This is a very important draft at a time where we need to hit a home run. Can we do this? Do we trust Ross and Reese?

I am very worried about this draft. It's a very big off season with FA and now this draft.
Aaron Donald by Micky Shaked  
Archer : 1:35 pm : link
I am not necessarily a proponent of drafting Aaron Donald; however, I would not be disappointed if he were the Giant’s selection.
Do not get too caught up with Donald as a DT. Donald plays all across the line. He is a disruptive force and if used properly he is a match up nightmare for opposing offenses. While considered small for a DT, he is a beast at DE. At 285-290lbs. his speed, power, and leverage will enable him to secure the corner and constantly attack the edge. Donald can be used in a similar manner to the way Justin Tuck, 268 lbs. was utilized. Tuck was used as a rush DT and DE. Donald could be part of the speed rush package from the interior or the ends.
Donald is a football player with unique skills and if used properly he can be a disruptive force.

See attached analysis of Donald by Micky Shaked.

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Well, . . . .  
TC : 1:37 pm : link
maybe the Giants will find a QB in round 3 too!
Ebron Hebron  
BlueLou : 1:43 pm : link
And Dwayne Dayne. You've started early today, Hades!
I think if Evans, Donald, and Ebron are all available at 12  
GeofromNJ : 1:44 pm : link
the only way the Giants do not take Ebron is if they're convinced there's a TE close to Ebron in talent available in the 2nd round. I say this because I think Reese understands the mistake he made letting Bennett walk and attempting to get by with Myers who was incapable of blocking and incapable of creating separation or fighting for the ball and winning the fight.
RE: Ebron Hebron  
AnishPatel : 1:46 pm : link
In comment 11592557 BlueLou said:
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And Dwayne Dayne. You've started early today, Hades!


What's Hebron. My damn autocorrect on my phone keeps putting that word in there. It's so annoying that I just type EE now because Hebron gets added in when I type Ebron.
RE: RE: RE: @ NVA Blue  
NVA_Blue : 1:51 pm : link
In comment 11592482 GmenDynasty said:
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If Lewan's gone, do you reach for Martin with other absolute studs at other psoitions sitting there ripe for the pciking at 12?


If Lewan is gone and Reese grades Martin out as the best offensive option, sure why not. He does offer a ton of positional versatility, thats a big plus. My only hope with that 12 pick is that they get somebody that can contribute immediately, ideally on the line.

I'm fine with them taking a guy like Ebron or Evans in the first, I just wanted to point out that its very important to note the risk associated with having so much riding on a healthy/productive Beatty on the line. Spending a one on Donald, who many are calling out to a rotational guy until he puts weight on, just forces their hand in 2 and 3 to draft for need over value.

Anyway... who knows how it plays out, perhaps Jake Matthews falls to us and the value/need both line up? I can be optimistic right :)

suspended already  
So Dup or dope?
RE: GD,  
GmenDynasty : 2:12 pm : link
In comment 11592502 AnishPatel said:
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Yeah we have hit on our first rounders for the most part. The Seahawks did well because they hit big time between rounds 2-7. That's where they did so well. That includes finding their QB in round 3.

We need to do a lot better. This is a very important draft at a time where we need to hit a home run. Can we do this? Do we trust Ross and Reese?

I am very worried about this draft. It's a very big off season with FA and now this draft.


I have a feeling Reese is going to be more involved in the selection process this year. I hope that feeling is right!
Just curious...  
I'm not a huge college football fan so most of my draft knowledge comes from reading you guys and other draft analysis. I keep hearing OT is deep this year. Do you think there is a OT we can draft in the second round that would provide decent cover for Beaty or Pugh and develop into a future starter?
RE: RE: RE: RE: @ NVA Blue  
GmenDynasty : 2:17 pm : link
In comment 11592588 NVA_Blue said:
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In comment 11592482 GmenDynasty said:


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If Lewan's gone, do you reach for Martin with other absolute studs at other psoitions sitting there ripe for the pciking at 12?



If Lewan is gone and Reese grades Martin out as the best offensive option, sure why not. He does offer a ton of positional versatility, thats a big plus. My only hope with that 12 pick is that they get somebody that can contribute immediately, ideally on the line.

I'm fine with them taking a guy like Ebron or Evans in the first, I just wanted to point out that its very important to note the risk associated with having so much riding on a healthy/productive Beatty on the line. Spending a one on Donald, who many are calling out to a rotational guy until he puts weight on, just forces their hand in 2 and 3 to draft for need over value.

Anyway... who knows how it plays out, perhaps Jake Matthews falls to us and the value/need both line up? I can be optimistic right :)


We likely get a OL fairly close value wise to Martin at 43. We will not get a guy close to Donald Ebron Lee or Evans at 43. Each one of those guys are flat out blue chip studs at their respective positions.
RE: Just curious...  
GmenDynasty : 2:19 pm : link
In comment 11592661 ForzaNapoli NYG said:
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I'm not a huge college football fan so most of my draft knowledge comes from reading you guys and other draft analysis. I keep hearing OT is deep this year. Do you think there is a OT we can draft in the second round that would provide decent cover for Beaty or Pugh and develop into a future starter?


JUwan James, Yankey, Bitonio Mewhort Kuandijo Richardson sp? To name just a few
thats for OG or OT  
GmenDynasty : 2:20 pm : link
....
EliMcAdooEra  
Torrag : 2:21 pm : link
clearly by your handle your a relatively new poster or a trolll that changed handles. Either way I've seen a number of your posts and you're an idiot. I never do this but you've got to be the most clueless dipstick in recent memory on this board. Had to be said at least once. Go about your business people nothing to see hear. I won't be commenting on any more of your threads or to any responses to this post. I just had to get it off my chest. Damn I feel much better now.
I think  
NJGiantFan84 : 2:23 pm : link
this is more about who the OP wants rather than what the Giants want. As nobody here really has anything more than an educated guess about who the Giants will take. But if you want to believe it's all a smoke screen, you can. I think the interest is real. Whether or not they take either is a different story. But they are looking into these guys for a reason, IMO.
RE: Ebron Hebron  
Hades07 : 2:45 pm : link
In comment 11592557 BlueLou said:
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And Dwayne Dayne. You've started early today, Hades!
thought I fixed those...hate autocorrect sometimes.
RE: I think if Evans, Donald, and Ebron are all available at 12  
Hades07 : 2:49 pm : link
In comment 11592561 GeofromNJ said:
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the only way the Giants do not take Ebron is if they're convinced there's a TE close to Ebron in talent available in the 2nd round. I say this because I think Reese understands the mistake he made letting Bennett walk and attempting to get by with Myers who was incapable of blocking and incapable of creating separation or fighting for the ball and winning the fight.
how is Ebron an improvement on Myers as a blocker? At least Myers was able to block at the college level.
Ha...  
Buh bye, troll...
If the Giants are indeed throwing up a smokescreen and no NFL  
wgenesis123 : 4:29 pm : link
team does not do this from time to time, than its not for the teams in front of them in the draft. It would be for the teams behind them who may have interest in the same player and trade up to 10 or 11 to grab him.
or it could be the new oc  
eli4life : 4:43 pm : link
Wants a new weapon. Personally I want Ebron but would not be disappointed in Donald or Evans
Agree on Ebron not sure about Evans  
HugeS : 8:37 pm : link
Giants track record under Coughlin suggests they'd be more interested in an inline blocking tight end with decent hands like a Nicklas or an Aaron Lynch. Pretty sure Bennett is exhibit A of what the giants want and need right now unless there's something in Ebron's game that's absolutely blowing them away. Evans on the other hand definitely fits the profile of the kind of guy the Giants seem to covet. Huge sure handed possession receiver that creates all kinds of Red Zone mismatches for Eli to exploit.
The question is......  
DonnieD89 : 11:44 pm : link
Why did the Giants suck last year? Let's see.......The Oline was old and not athletic because there was not serious real investment for a while at least not until Pugh was drafted. Nicks mailed it in and that took away the #1 WR threat. The TEs were none existant and finally part of the blame could be placed on Eli and Gilbride. Now Gilbride and Nicks are gone. Baas and Diehl are gone. Schwartz, Walton, and Jerry have been added to the OLine, but there is some uncertainty with Snee, Beatty, Walton, and Jerry. Ruben Randle remains inconsistent, Manningham coming off an injury and older, Jernigan still needs to prove himself and Cruz as the only real WR threat right now. Sounds like the offense still has a lot of questions to answer even after FA.

On the other side of the ball, the two major losses were Joseph and Tuck, but improvements in the back seven. Joseph leaving hurts the most, because now there is concern of stopping the run with only Hankins standing. Jenkins is getting older and Kuhn is unproven. Tuck did pose a threat last year for the pass rush, but how much of a threat? JPP is somewhat of a question, but I am confident he will do better this year. Moore is unproven, but will have his opportunity. Kiwi was not much of a factor and who is to say he will be this year. The concerns are at DT and DE and outside of Hankins and JPP, the line is not very big.

The Giants have not had such a high draft pick since Eli. This is not the time to screw with the pick. I would like this pick to not to be a high reward high bust type player. To me this eliminates both Barr and Donald. Ealy maybe another one. If you want any of these players, you trade down. Hell, Martin would be a safer pick, but I am not sure of the value at 12, because of his upside. I don't view Lewan, Evans, or Ebron as high busts as Barr and Donald (Colin even stated this), because I feel their athletic attributes translate better at the pro level making a more comfortable selection with these players taken with the 12th pick. This just my opinion.

Given what the situation is, the offense is still in more need of help than the defense. Why not put a good investment into the offense at 12 with the value likely there? If Mack or Clowney are there, you take them, but it is likely not happening. I can see Evans and Ebron as the likely targets. But if Lewan is there, you definitely take him. Remember, Eli is the #1 asset on the team.
Who won the Super Bowl and which side of the ball did they dominate  
wgenesis123 : 3/29/2014 6:00 am : link
from. The NFL is still a copycat league. Take Donald and a shot at creating chaos for opposing offenses and the Giants offense will benefit from it. A TE who can't block will get how many snaps under TC? If the Giants do take Ebron I will be happy and impressed with McAdoo, change will have come. But I love defense, take Donald. The 2 top WR's will likely be gone. DEFENSE lets go DEFENSE.
the defence was ranked 8 last year  
msh : 3/29/2014 6:15 am : link
the offence was a mess,yes another DL somewhere in this draft is a must but fixing that OL and not relying on 2 FA pickups is key to what they do this year

pick a top tier OL in round 1 ,they have hankins and damonster ready to replace tuck and linval. all they really need to do is replace them on the roster backup spots either in rounds 2 onwards or in FA
Donald in the first round  
giants4ever : 3/29/2014 9:47 am : link
I like Donald as a pick at # 12. From everything I've heard he is an impact player and we need an impact player drafted in the 1st round. With all the improvements we have made on the back end of the defense we still need a push up front. IMO he can play inside or outside. It would fill a hole in the front four and give us flexibility and depth that is always needed at this position. The draft is deep at WR, OL and TE. We will get help at these positions in the later rounds.
RE: Donald in the first round  
GmenDynasty : 3/29/2014 11:58 am : link
In comment 11593900 giants4ever said:
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I like Donald as a pick at # 12. From everything I've heard he is an impact player and we need an impact player drafted in the 1st round. With all the improvements we have made on the back end of the defense we still need a push up front. IMO he can play inside or outside. It would fill a hole in the front four and give us flexibility and depth that is always needed at this position. The draft is deep at WR, OL and TE. We will get help at these positions in the later rounds.


Donald would fit the Tuck DE/DT hybrid role like a glove.
Whatever idiocy status you want to grant EliMcAdooEra is ok by me,  
BlueLou : 3/31/2014 6:34 pm : link
but I personally have a pretty hard time imaginingthe giants don't go OL or DL round 1, especially if Lewan or Quantico is on the board (and checked out healthy in K's case) or Donald.

I really think it's OL if they can have a guy they've targeted 1st tier, with Donald as a "fall back."

They need a TE but more a block 1st catch 2nd type that can be had in the middle or late rounds even.

They need a top flight OL bad, real bad, and there should be a top flight OT there in Lewan or K..
So yeah, I also think the Evans/Ebron think is pure BS.  
BlueLou : 3/31/2014 6:35 pm : link
Probably.
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