The guy the Giants really want is Aaron Donald. He's their guy.
They're intentionally showing interest in Evans and Ebron to throw teams off
Think about it...the Giants would never make it obvious that they're targeting certain guys leading up to the draft
The interest in Evans/Ebron is all just a ploy IMO...in previous years they've always drafted guys they never interviewed or showed interest in
Giants are doing an excellent job so far of HIDING their interest in their main target which is Donald
If that's the case let's see how it would pan out. We can't swing and miss this draft. This year is very important. If we fuck up this draft and our team suffers it has the potential to impact the coaching staff, in terms of employment and that will in turn effect Eli. I doubt we'd invest in Eli longer, if our offense fucks up.
Let's see what Ross and Reese can do in the draft, and how our FA signings do. That's why I stated this year will be very exciting. So much change and now we have to see how it all comes together.
Sorry, not buying it. Giants need OL or weapons for Eli, unless someone unexpected (Mack) falls to us, i cant imagine Reese not using his high picks on that side of the ball.
Sorry, not buying it. Giants need OL or weapons for Eli, unless someone unexpected (Mack) falls to us, i cant imagine Reese not using his high picks on that side of the ball.
Exactly...Sounds like they have been setting themselves up to go O O O in this years draft
Now is not the time to spend 12 on a backup DT
Um, yes they would. They do it all the time.
One thing I absolutely do know...if they do pick Donald, this place will detonate the minute he gives one yard on a run play up the middle.
There are two players in this draft I'm very interested in following regardless of who drafts them as the pro/con debates have been very interesting....Johnny Football and Donald.
I wonder if that's the case this year or not.
We signed a starting RB (Jennings), a starting LG (Schwartz), the likely starting C (Walton), a potential starting RG (Jerry), and a #3/#4 WR (Manningham)
So...you are wrong.
And, just because we take Donald in Round 1 doesn't mean we can't use the next few picks (Rounds 2-4) all on offense.
We can get an OL, WR, TE in Rounds 2-4.
Donald can start at LDE on 1st/2nd downs. He's versatile - played both DT and DE in college. He would be a great fit at LDE for us.
Then on 3rd downs, he can move inside with Jenkins to rush the passer.
We drafted Hankins to replace Joseph
It makes plenty of sense that we draft Donald to replace Jenkins
Cullen is 33 and has 1 year left on his deal. Giants currently have no 3-technique for 2015.
Seems like an odd move considering Kiwi and a promising Moore are already on the team
Fix the O in the short and long term with this draft
Eli needs to be protected and given weapons
He addressed the OL in Free Agency along with the Cornerbacks.
Now the draft sets up for them to address a playmaker on offense in the first round and some pass rushers or RB's in 2-3.
Fix the O in the short and long term with this draft
Eli needs to be protected and given weapons
I agree with you 100%. If this is Eli's prime they need to go balls out and give Eli talent, especially as we implement this new system. Give BM the players to run this system at a high level.
So...you are wrong.
And, just because we take Donald in Round 1 doesn't mean we can't use the next few picks (Rounds 2-4) all on offense.
We can get an OL, WR, TE in Rounds 2-4.
I loved the Manningham signing as much as anyone, said so multiple times on threads, but even i will admit that we have no idea whats left in the tank post knee injuries. Whether or not they address it early, they need another body that can contribute as a pass catching weapon (be it WR or TE).
With the 3 guys they added, every single one has warts. Jerry was never regarded as even an average pass blocker and theres the possible suspension, Walton hasn't played a down in almost 2 years, and Schwartz is on his 3rd team in 3 years. I really love the fact that they went out and got size and depth on the line, but unless you can say 100% that Beatty will be healthy and productive (no one can at this point) then Eli's blind side is a major concern.
I dont disagree that there are guys available in rounds 2-4 at TE and WR (I like Nikolas and Montcreif, for the record), the question becomes can you fill such an important position (LT) in rounds 2-4...when the chances of lasting contributions (let alone immediate) diminish greatly for each prospect as you get further along in the draft. Worst case...should Beatty not regain form, they have a massive hole on the line this year into next.
If that's the case let's see how it would pan out. We can't swing and miss this draft. This year is very important. If we fuck up this draft and our team suffers it has the potential to impact the coaching staff, in terms of employment and that will in turn effect Eli. I doubt we'd invest in Eli longer, if our offense fucks up.
Let's see what Ross and Reese can do in the draft, and how our FA signings do. That's why I stated this year will be very exciting. So much change and now we have to see how it all comes together.
from the third on they have been underwhelming compared to Reese but i think they almost have never missed on the first rounder (Reese has a big say in that one) and the second rounders have been some hit some miss.
I like our chances in this loaded draft with a second round OL.
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We made a number of FA signings on offense.
So...you are wrong.
And, just because we take Donald in Round 1 doesn't mean we can't use the next few picks (Rounds 2-4) all on offense.
We can get an OL, WR, TE in Rounds 2-4.
I loved the Manningham signing as much as anyone, said so multiple times on threads, but even i will admit that we have no idea whats left in the tank post knee injuries. Whether or not they address it early, they need another body that can contribute as a pass catching weapon (be it WR or TE).
With the 3 guys they added, every single one has warts. Jerry was never regarded as even an average pass blocker and theres the possible suspension, Walton hasn't played a down in almost 2 years, and Schwartz is on his 3rd team in 3 years. I really love the fact that they went out and got size and depth on the line, but unless you can say 100% that Beatty will be healthy and productive (no one can at this point) then Eli's blind side is a major concern.
I dont disagree that there are guys available in rounds 2-4 at TE and WR (I like Nikolas and Montcreif, for the record), the question becomes can you fill such an important position (LT) in rounds 2-4...when the chances of lasting contributions (let alone immediate) diminish greatly for each prospect as you get further along in the draft. Worst case...should Beatty not regain form, they have a massive hole on the line this year into next.
If Lewan's gone, do you reach for Martin with other absolute studs at other psoitions sitting there ripe for the pciking at 12?
Now because of you, the cat's out of the bag, and 11 other teams are going to change their drafting strategy so the Giants get stuck with a WR a TE.
Unless you think one of those is available in FA or 2-6 in the draft.
We need to do a lot better. This is a very important draft at a time where we need to hit a home run. Can we do this? Do we trust Ross and Reese?
I am very worried about this draft. It's a very big off season with FA and now this draft.
Do not get too caught up with Donald as a DT. Donald plays all across the line. He is a disruptive force and if used properly he is a match up nightmare for opposing offenses. While considered small for a DT, he is a beast at DE. At 285-290lbs. his speed, power, and leverage will enable him to secure the corner and constantly attack the edge. Donald can be used in a similar manner to the way Justin Tuck, 268 lbs. was utilized. Tuck was used as a rush DT and DE. Donald could be part of the speed rush package from the interior or the ends.
Donald is a football player with unique skills and if used properly he can be a disruptive force.
See attached analysis of Donald by Micky Shaked.
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What's Hebron. My damn autocorrect on my phone keeps putting that word in there. It's so annoying that I just type EE now because Hebron gets added in when I type Ebron.
If Lewan's gone, do you reach for Martin with other absolute studs at other psoitions sitting there ripe for the pciking at 12?
If Lewan is gone and Reese grades Martin out as the best offensive option, sure why not. He does offer a ton of positional versatility, thats a big plus. My only hope with that 12 pick is that they get somebody that can contribute immediately, ideally on the line.
I'm fine with them taking a guy like Ebron or Evans in the first, I just wanted to point out that its very important to note the risk associated with having so much riding on a healthy/productive Beatty on the line. Spending a one on Donald, who many are calling out to a rotational guy until he puts weight on, just forces their hand in 2 and 3 to draft for need over value.
Anyway... who knows how it plays out, perhaps Jake Matthews falls to us and the value/need both line up? I can be optimistic right :)
We need to do a lot better. This is a very important draft at a time where we need to hit a home run. Can we do this? Do we trust Ross and Reese?
I am very worried about this draft. It's a very big off season with FA and now this draft.
I have a feeling Reese is going to be more involved in the selection process this year. I hope that feeling is right!
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If Lewan's gone, do you reach for Martin with other absolute studs at other psoitions sitting there ripe for the pciking at 12?
If Lewan is gone and Reese grades Martin out as the best offensive option, sure why not. He does offer a ton of positional versatility, thats a big plus. My only hope with that 12 pick is that they get somebody that can contribute immediately, ideally on the line.
I'm fine with them taking a guy like Ebron or Evans in the first, I just wanted to point out that its very important to note the risk associated with having so much riding on a healthy/productive Beatty on the line. Spending a one on Donald, who many are calling out to a rotational guy until he puts weight on, just forces their hand in 2 and 3 to draft for need over value.
Anyway... who knows how it plays out, perhaps Jake Matthews falls to us and the value/need both line up? I can be optimistic right :)
We likely get a OL fairly close value wise to Martin at 43. We will not get a guy close to Donald Ebron Lee or Evans at 43. Each one of those guys are flat out blue chip studs at their respective positions.
JUwan James, Yankey, Bitonio Mewhort Kuandijo Richardson sp? To name just a few
On the other side of the ball, the two major losses were Joseph and Tuck, but improvements in the back seven. Joseph leaving hurts the most, because now there is concern of stopping the run with only Hankins standing. Jenkins is getting older and Kuhn is unproven. Tuck did pose a threat last year for the pass rush, but how much of a threat? JPP is somewhat of a question, but I am confident he will do better this year. Moore is unproven, but will have his opportunity. Kiwi was not much of a factor and who is to say he will be this year. The concerns are at DT and DE and outside of Hankins and JPP, the line is not very big.
The Giants have not had such a high draft pick since Eli. This is not the time to screw with the pick. I would like this pick to not to be a high reward high bust type player. To me this eliminates both Barr and Donald. Ealy maybe another one. If you want any of these players, you trade down. Hell, Martin would be a safer pick, but I am not sure of the value at 12, because of his upside. I don't view Lewan, Evans, or Ebron as high busts as Barr and Donald (Colin even stated this), because I feel their athletic attributes translate better at the pro level making a more comfortable selection with these players taken with the 12th pick. This just my opinion.
Given what the situation is, the offense is still in more need of help than the defense. Why not put a good investment into the offense at 12 with the value likely there? If Mack or Clowney are there, you take them, but it is likely not happening. I can see Evans and Ebron as the likely targets. But if Lewan is there, you definitely take him. Remember, Eli is the #1 asset on the team.
pick a top tier OL in round 1 ,they have hankins and damonster ready to replace tuck and linval. all they really need to do is replace them on the roster backup spots either in rounds 2 onwards or in FA
Donald would fit the Tuck DE/DT hybrid role like a glove.
I really think it's OL if they can have a guy they've targeted 1st tier, with Donald as a "fall back."
They need a TE but more a block 1st catch 2nd type that can be had in the middle or late rounds even.
They need a top flight OL bad, real bad, and there should be a top flight OT there in Lewan or K..