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Giants were the team most-ravaged by injury in 2013

endwerc : 3/28/2014 1:16 pm
And by a wide margin.

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The New York Giants (7-9) had their first losing season since 2004, but setting a new standard with 144.6 AGL can help explain that. The previous high belonged to the 2009 Bills (6-10) at 122.8 AGL. We'll break down the injuries by units next, but the Giants were banged up on both sides of the ball.

The Giants almost pulled off the deflating feat of leading the league in AGL on both offense and defense, but the Saints just edged them out with the worst defensive AGL (74.4) in our database. The Giants rank third behind the 2012 Packers (62.8). However, the Giants, Buccaneers and Colts did all beat out the 2011 Rams (66.6) for the worst offensive AGL in our database. New York's 56.0 increase in offensive AGL is the largest for one season.


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No Surprise  
old man : 3/28/2014 1:22 pm : link
But can we please get a new medical program and strengthen coach.
We've been injury prone for 20 years, and it cant be just the player responsibility/circumstance.
Old Man  
bluesince56 : 3/28/2014 2:20 pm : link
I agree with you. All teams have injuries but it seems to be the ongoing theme every year.
I agree too  
pjcas18 : 3/28/2014 2:21 pm : link
we need the coach stronger
while there are no complaints with two Super Bowls  
nyynyg : 3/28/2014 2:37 pm : link
it is still funny when you think about it that one of TCs core themes when he stood at the podium was that injuries are a cancer and a mindset. While I could be wrong, sure seems like injuries have been pervasive for his entire tenure.
This is a comment on depth more than anything  
mikeinbloomfield : 3/28/2014 2:39 pm : link
Seven of the 10 top "most injured" teams made the playoffs. It's not hard to figure out why. They had players ready to go.

When you get down the Giants level of injury it's also obvious that injury is affecting the bench, too. But you've got a couple years in a row now where Green Bay has had a bunch of injuries and still made the playoffs. They're doing something right.
let's be honest  
Greg from LI : 3/28/2014 2:40 pm : link
It's not like there were a bunch of All-Pros going to IR. A lot of the injured guys weren't good to begin with.
The Giants were banged up last year  
MarshallOnMontana : 3/28/2014 2:45 pm : link
but these injury stats suck imo.

There is no metric that can really detail the impact of injuries on a team, especially one that doesn't adjust for the relevance of each starter hurt. Aaron Rodgers misses 7 games, David wilson misses 11-12 games, and in their equations the Giants are more adversely effected by that. Because they're "both starters" and Wilson missed more time


This isn't news.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/28/2014 2:46 pm : link
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The team  
Default : 3/28/2014 2:48 pm : link
needs chemo to kill this cancer.
IMO, and I've been saying this for years,  
T-Bone : 3/28/2014 2:50 pm : link
is that it's not just the amount of injuries that's just the issue but the fact that in most years injuries have hit only one or two positions on the team HARD. One year it's the OGs and Cs (like this year) and RBs...one year it's the CBs...another year it's the WRs...another year, the DEs. So it's not just a matter of the amount of injuries but the fact that we get killed at just one or two positions and are unable to compensate for those positions.

Kind of hard to complain about depth issues when it's your 3rd string (and in the case of later in the year street FAs) Center AND Guards that are being thrust into the starting lineup. NO team has that amount of depth.
that's what happens when you keep old, injured players  
oipolloi : 3/28/2014 3:28 pm : link
take away Diehl, Snee and Baas and what does the injury scenario look like?
Agree With T-Bone  
Samiam : 3/28/2014 4:00 pm : link
It's the number of injuries at certain positions and not the number spread around the team. I remember the team carrying 6 LBs and losing 5 to season ending injuies with the only healthy LB ((Nick Greisen) being like 5h on the depth chart. We lost 3 of 4 DEs with a rookie Kiwi being the 4th DE. That's just bad lucjk and seems to carry forward. I'm expecting (hoping) our situation re injuries will revert to the mean.
RE: that's what happens when you keep old, injured players  
Great White Ghost : 3/28/2014 4:45 pm : link
In comment 11592820 oipolloi said:
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take away Diehl, Snee and Baas and what does the injury scenario look like?
we'd still be in last place, in case that wasn't a rhetorical question.Diehl played 11 games, BTW.
It's not surprising we have all these injuries,  
Doomster : 3/28/2014 8:22 pm : link
when you make a deal with "You-Know-Who".....
when you make a deal with "You-Know-Who"  
Dylan fan : 3/28/2014 8:50 pm : link
Many BBIers think Reese is "You-Know-Who," so how can he make a deal with himself?
Giants were an old team last year  
Steve in South Jersey : 3/28/2014 8:58 pm : link
with age expect more injuries.
What about players playing hurt?  
FStubbs : 3/29/2014 8:04 am : link
That messes with a team too.

Another metric? The horrible injury luck the Giants have had with most of their top 3 round players in the Coughlin era. We've lost entire drafts of players to injury. Sure, a guy like Sintim was a bust, but was it because he really couldn't play, or the rampant injuries robbed him of his athletic gifts? Well, our drafts were full of Sintims. On top of that, we have guys like Snee and Diehl who still should be in their prime at the end of their careers due to injuries.
Strength coach has little to do with it  
Blue Blood : 3/29/2014 8:16 am : link
football is a violent sport.. and guys are going to get hurt..

I say blame the new CBA.. longer offseason.. less hitting in practice.. less practices in pads.. no more two a days.. guys arent in the condition they need to be in for football as early..
RE: No Surprise  
Jimmy Googs : 3/29/2014 8:17 am : link
In comment 11592473 old man said:
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But can we please get a new medical program and strengthen coach.
We've been injury prone for 20 years, and it cant be just the player responsibility/circumstance.


We have been prone. Replacing them isn't exactly rational, but maybe they are jinxed. :)
wonder what the weighting was  
mdc1 : 3/30/2014 11:54 am : link
in terms of injuries by age range and years in league?
It's about more than the overall number..  
arcarsenal : 3/30/2014 12:36 pm : link
It's more about who you lose. Stevie Brown tore his ACL in the preseason and was lost for the year.. but if it was Antrel Rolle instead of Brown, the number would have been the same except the impact would have been much, much worse.

If you lose a starter who isn't that good to begin with or has a capable backup behind him, it's going to impact you far less than if you lose an absolute key guy. You could easily argue that losing just one specific starter if he's a key cog hurts a team more than losing 2-3 starters in other spots.

People are too quick to look at the raw numbers and say "see! The Giants always have the worst injury luck!"

Bad injury luck is when Tom Brady's ACL tears in Week 1.
I dunno  
mrvax : 3/30/2014 12:52 pm : link
It just seems like during the Fassel & Coughlin years the Giants get hit very hard with injuries. If there was something to it as far as prep, medical staff, training issues, they should have fixed it long ago.
RE: while there are no complaints with two Super Bowls  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/30/2014 12:55 pm : link
In comment 11592720 nyynyg said:
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it is still funny when you think about it that one of TCs core themes when he stood at the podium was that injuries are a cancer and a mindset. While I could be wrong, sure seems like injuries have been pervasive for his entire tenure.


Yeah. It's been pretty insane. Especially recently.
Couple blunders really hurt us in addition to injuries  
SGMen : 3/30/2014 1:02 pm : link
First and foremost, we should have re-signed TE Bennett. He knew the offense and produced fairly well. Maybe he was too rich for us but clearly we lacked TE production all year and if we had had Bennett we'd have produced much more at that position.

Next set of blunders involved the whole OL - its inuries & age. But who knew Baas and Snee would be completely done so early in the year?

Lastly, if we had a "normal" year of injuries we'd have made the playoffs last year though we were not that talented overall. The things that hurt us in addition to the injuries include the down years guys like Webster, JPP and Nicks had. That hurt too.
vax..  
arcarsenal : 3/30/2014 1:06 pm : link
Key word there is "seems"

I'd be hard pressed to believe that there's any team that anyone here follows to the same degree that they follow NYG.

For the most part, it's a perception bias. But again.. it's more about who you lose. Not how many you lose. When a dude like Da'Rel Scott winds up IR'd, you're not exactly losing much.. but it still counts as a player lost. Which is why I don't really like these lists.

We did have a bunch of injuries... not many of them were impact players. Eli played the majority of the year and just sucked. Same for Nicks. Cruz played most of the year. Beason never missed time when he got here, Hill never got hurt, Rolle never got hurt, Prince never got hurt, LinJo played 15 games, Tuck didn't miss a game, Randle didn't miss a game.. how many real impact players were lost long-term this year aside from JPP? Baas? Eh. I'd count Wilson but I'm one of the only people on this board who doesn't think he's a bust.
arcarsenal  
SGMen : 3/30/2014 1:10 pm : link
The OL inuries are what hurt us because we didn't have NFL caliber backups. Diehl was old.

Injuries at the same position are where you get hurt the most. We lost Snee and Baas back-to-back and didn't have much behind them.
That was more of a roster issue than an injury issue..  
arcarsenal : 3/30/2014 1:15 pm : link
Well, for Snee it was. Snee is no longer a very good player. The OL was going to suck with him in there just about as much as it did without him.

Losing Baas did hurt. But I think the injuries really just exposed how poorly our OL was assembled going into this year. There was virtually no protection whatsoever against injury and we were relying on too many vets with injury histories to stay healthy. Reese did a poor job in that regard.
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