So me and my buddy Mr. Smoke and Cameron last night were debating for 4 hours what position the Giants should take in the first round. Between the the 3 of us we came up with FIVE different ideas last night. Everyone was going nuts about UCONN basketball but we were the only ones in the room going on and on about football. Can it be football season already? It's going to be April in 2 days and it just won't get here quick enough!
Anyway, I heard WR, OL, TE, and DL, and someone even said QB. I know the QB is the dumbest thing I've ever heard but why not throw that in there to make me sound correct by saying earlier there were 5 positions. When my droid went off this morning and the EYEBALL option was checked YES I figured after a fun night of debating that I should check out Big Blue Interactive and ask them what their opinions are. I'm sure this has been debated on who you want to choose throughout the course of this LONG boring March month, but if you had to CHOOSE...what position and why?
Just because we have to pay Beatty doesn't mean we have to play him if a) he's not healthy or b) he sucks, again. Besides, and I know it's a cliché, but the draft isn't just about this year.
Even if the Giants don't go OT in round one, I think they'd like to come out of this draft with at least one O-Linemen versatile enough to play OT or OG (a Joel Bitonio, Jack Mewhort-type), or a swing-tackle type (James Hurst, Ju'Wuan James).
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Lewan at 12, though he'll probably be gone or Martin after a slight trade down, if possible.
OT is a need? We already have 2 of them. We signed 1 to a big contract a little over a year ago, and drafted the other in the first round in last year's draft.
OT is definitely a need. The play of Beatty was bad last year, and we have really only two legit OTs on the roster. The size of Beatty's contract should not matter when it involves protecting your #1 asset that being Eli. Beatty may bounce back, but do you want to take another chance of another bad year? I don't consider it a bad situation in drafting an OT at #12 regardless of how Beaty does this year. Adjustments can be made with the new OT, Pugh, and Beatty. In fact it could very well be a vast overall improvement in the OLine.
This just underscores the reason why we can go non OL the first riund and still get a real good and likely plug and play OL at 43. There are so many quality OLs this year. 43 we will almost definitely get a pro ready one and even a good shot for one (maybe slightly developmental) in rd 3.
That'd be good for me.
...did I mention offensive line?
WR-Cruz is a proven weapon, Randle and Jernigan have both shown promising flashes. The 2014 class is historically deep at this position and it would make more sense to grab one in latter rounds.
OL-With Beatty's contract, they are indebted to him and I think they still believe in him. He was undeniably terrible last year, but the year before he showed his potential and he still can make a solid pro if he gets his act together this year. The Giants will give him every opportunity to nail down that starting spot. Meanwhile, with signings of Schwartz, Walton, and Jerry, the Giants have solidified their line with Beatty, Schwartz, Walton, Snee/Jerry, and Pugh. Walton is the kid that scares me, and drafting a center would make a ton of sense. But there isn't one at 12 and the 2 yr $5 mill contract yields thought that the Gmen have high hopes for him. Some latter round depth, but I don't think it is necessary to force a Taylor Lewan or Zach Martin pick.
TE-This is the obvious position, but I don't think the Giants are done here. I think they sign a marginal FA, i.e. Ed Dickson, Dallas Clark. Even if they just re-sign Bear Pascoe, I don't think it is necessary for the Giants to force one in the first round. I am still holding out hope that Adrien Robinson can get healthy and perform, and I was actually intrigued by Larry Donnell last year. One of Donnell/Robinson should contribute, Pascoe can fill in, rather see a 3rd/4th round TE...
I would look hard at the best player projected to be a beast among WR, TE, OT.
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In comment 11593938 Buck Dharma said:
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Lewan at 12, though he'll probably be gone or Martin after a slight trade down, if possible.
OT is a need? We already have 2 of them. We signed 1 to a big contract a little over a year ago, and drafted the other in the first round in last year's draft.
OT is definitely a need. The play of Beatty was bad last year, and we have really only two legit OTs on the roster. The size of Beatty's contract should not matter when it involves protecting your #1 asset that being Eli. Beatty may bounce back, but do you want to take another chance of another bad year? I don't consider it a bad situation in drafting an OT at #12 regardless of how Beaty does this year. Adjustments can be made with the new OT, Pugh, and Beatty. In fact it could very well be a vast overall improvement in the OLine.
The front office giving Beatty the type of money they did shows they clearly believe in his ability to be the long term LT. One poor season, where basically anything that could go wrong, did go wrong for the entire offense isn't going to change that. If Beatty comes out and plays bad again this season, then I'm sure they'll be ready to make other plans.
I think Pugh will be good. However, the prior year's first rounders (Wilson & Prince) not so much. Not that they will not or cannot be excellent players. However, they are not playing like first rounders right now. I would look at them as nice picks for later rounds but POTENTIALLY could end up as first round busts. We simply need to get more production out of our first rounders.
Seriously, about 7 players a year get into the Hall of Fame. That means that roughly 7 Hall of Famers a year come into the league. I want the Giants to snag some of those guys. It's been a while.
That's vslue and tslent,
With the money that was spent in free agency so far this offseason, its clear that this team is in win now mode. They have starters in place at both tackle spots. They can add depth later in the draft, and wait and see what veterans become available to be a swing guy later in the offseason. You don't use a first round pick on a position where you already have 2 starters when there are other areas that can use the help this season.
There are still holes to address at TE, WR, and in the DT rotation. You fix those problems, and have faith in your assessment of Beatty that led to using a premium draft choice on him, and then recommitting to that player by giving him a big contract. Clearly the front office has felt very highly of him for a while now, and one rough season shouldn't change that.
WR-Cruz is a proven weapon, Randle and Jernigan have both shown promising flashes. The 2014 class is historically deep at this position and it would make more sense to grab one in latter rounds.
OL-With Beatty's contract, they are indebted to him and I think they still believe in him. He was undeniably terrible last year, but the year before he showed his potential and he still can make a solid pro if he gets his act together this year. The Giants will give him every opportunity to nail down that starting spot. Meanwhile, with signings of Schwartz, Walton, and Jerry, the Giants have solidified their line with Beatty, Schwartz, Walton, Snee/Jerry, and Pugh. Walton is the kid that scares me, and drafting a center would make a ton of sense. But there isn't one at 12 and the 2 yr $5 mill contract yields thought that the Gmen have high hopes for him. Some latter round depth, but I don't think it is necessary to force a Taylor Lewan or Zach Martin pick.
TE-This is the obvious position, but I don't think the Giants are done here. I think they sign a marginal FA, i.e. Ed Dickson, Dallas Clark. Even if they just re-sign Bear Pascoe, I don't think it is necessary for the Giants to force one in the first round. I am still holding out hope that Adrien Robinson can get healthy and perform, and I was actually intrigued by Larry Donnell last year. One of Donnell/Robinson should contribute, Pascoe can fill in, rather see a 3rd/4th round TE...
Very good answer. Thank you for your reply. Solid answer.
So I think OL is the way to go. Of course my preference is Matthews but it's too slim of a chance he's there so I'd prefer Martin for his versatility.
So I think OL is the way to go. Of course my preference is Matthews but it's too slim of a chance he's there so I'd prefer Martin for his versatility.
Why a must? We can get an awfully good pro ready one at 43
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I think OL is a must in the 1st round. I think a pass rushing DE is more of a need but there isn't one worth drafting in the top 20, never mind top 12. I think one of either Lewan or Martin will definitely be available at 12 and I don't think we can afford to pass that up. There is a slim chance Matthews could fall and if that happens there's no way in hell we could pass on him.
So I think OL is the way to go. Of course my preference is Matthews but it's too slim of a chance he's there so I'd prefer Martin for his versatility.
Why a must? We can get an awfully good pro ready one at 43
It's a must because our franchise QB has zero mobility and if we don't keep him upright, this brand spanking new offense that McAdoo is bringing in won't mean shit. What good is drafting a blue chip WR or TE when we can't keep our QB upright to be able to throw it to them? An OL you get at 43(Bitonio for example) are good players but they are a notch below guys like Martin, Lewan, and Matthews. Those 3 are day one starters. The same can't be said for Bitonio or any other OL you get in the 2nd through 4th.
3 true defensive ends (including a DT/DE tweener or a 3/4 DE...NOT the lb...the 'inside' or true DE)
3 tight ends, varied - 2 traditional
1 good, smart, zone savvy possession WR
Ok, cool. But why not just say what position you prefer. Just have fun, live a little and answer the question. K?
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In comment 11594431 The_Taxman said:
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I think OL is a must in the 1st round. I think a pass rushing DE is more of a need but there isn't one worth drafting in the top 20, never mind top 12. I think one of either Lewan or Martin will definitely be available at 12 and I don't think we can afford to pass that up. There is a slim chance Matthews could fall and if that happens there's no way in hell we could pass on him.
So I think OL is the way to go. Of course my preference is Matthews but it's too slim of a chance he's there so I'd prefer Martin for his versatility.
Why a must? We can get an awfully good pro ready one at 43
It's a must because our franchise QB has zero mobility and if we don't keep him upright, this brand spanking new offense that McAdoo is bringing in won't mean shit. What good is drafting a blue chip WR or TE when we can't keep our QB upright to be able to throw it to them? An OL you get at 43(Bitonio for example) are good players but they are a notch below guys like Martin, Lewan, and Matthews. Those 3 are day one starters. The same can't be said for Bitonio or any other OL you get in the 2nd through 4th.
The OL slated to go in the second are considered very high end prospects. Many are considered pro ready. We can wait until 43 to get an OL.
I'd prefer DE, CB, or WR ... DE appears unlikely, CBs and WRs will probably be gone.
Sorry, just bored watching my buddy Cunningham play the "South Park: Stick of Truth" game and its been RAINING all day.
2nd: Troy Niklas TE
3rd: JaWuan James OT
4th: Brandon Coleman WR
5th: Tyler Larsen C
5th: Aaron Lynch DE
6th: Storm Johnson RB
I go Donald first because i feel he is an outstanding and unique talent and it doesn't seem like we'll get an equally talented pass rusher in the later rounds whereas as many have noted OL WR and TE are pretty deep this year.
We get…. one of the best pass rushing D-line men in the draft, a monster TE that can block and catch, two young guys to groom and contribute on the O-line, a tall gifted WR, a physical specimen but gamble at DE, and a potential RB contributor
OT/OG in round 3
OG/OC in round 4
TE in round 5
TE/RB in round 5
RB/LB in round 6
OT/OG in round 3
OG/OC in round 4
TE in round 5
TE/RB in round 5
RB/LB in round 6
That may not be far off at all.
Depending on how some things play out but Im thinking OL in the second then WR-TE in the 3rd is a slightly higher percentage.
Lol !! Not that Cunningham. This guy is such a loser and apparently he's my best friend. Always whines about not being able to get along with his co-workers, but he is MR. Fix it.