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Giants sign CB Zack Bowman to a one year deal

Anakim : 3/31/2014 1:06 pm
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I would still draft Gilbert if he was there  
Mason : 3/31/2014 1:44 pm : link
And if McGills is there later rounds. A lot of one year deals. But I think the Giants are going to invest heavily into the lines this draft.
As  
Jim in CO : 3/31/2014 1:44 pm : link
I mentioned below, someone get this to Emlen ASAP!
RE: anyone in the top 5 need a CB?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/31/2014 1:45 pm : link
In comment 11597297 andrew_nyg said:
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HELLLOOOOOO Jake Matthews!!!!


lol
Marty  
JonC : 3/31/2014 1:46 pm : link
I'd prefer Gilbert, suspect Dennard goes a bit lower.
RE: Could Prince....  
Mason : 3/31/2014 1:46 pm : link
In comment 11597281 jtb nyg said:
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be a trade chip? Would be a drastic move, but maybe they don't want to pay two guys that much especially after Webster underperformed.

Honestly, I'd lock up Price for a $5m per deal prior to the season. Our secondary would be square for the rest of Eli's tenure.


What does Eli's tenure have to do with the Giants secondary?
I think it speaks to improving special teams  
BurlyMan : 3/31/2014 1:47 pm : link
with proven players.
zaCK bowman  
oipolloi : 3/31/2014 1:47 pm : link
fairly obvious why he was signed
If they want to retain Prince below market value  
JonC : 3/31/2014 1:49 pm : link
on a multi-year deal, it would need be done sooner than later.
I think it rules out CB in round 1  
UConn4523 : 3/31/2014 1:49 pm : link
without question. 2 and on is possible, but I have a hard time imagining that Gilbert/Dennard are rated above Lewan/Evans/Donald/Martin
Giants2012  
Andy in Boston : 3/31/2014 1:50 pm : link
a trade wouldn't be that far-fetched.
If we an expendable and tradeable player....it would be Prince. I just don't see how all these CB's get on the field.
RE: zaCK bowman  
Anakim : 3/31/2014 1:50 pm : link
In comment 11597313 oipolloi said:
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fairly obvious why he was signed


Because Chris Kreider is injured?
RE: Giants2012  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/31/2014 1:57 pm : link
In comment 11597322 Andy in Boston said:
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a trade wouldn't be that far-fetched.
If we an expendable and tradeable player....it would be Prince. I just don't see how all these CB's get on the field.


I..think you may be overestimating the abilities of the CBs under Prince and DRC.

Prince isn't expendable in the slightest. Who else would be qualified to start? Zack Bowman is a career backup. McBride and Hosley are smaller, probably best suited for slot duty.
Ten Tom  
Andy in Boston : 3/31/2014 2:04 pm : link
I'm saying if Giants are going to make a trade......you could argue Prince would be one of the few that are expendable or other teams could have interest in. He's a solid corner.....and if you traded him, you would likely draft another corner, which would still give the giants 5 quality CB's. So for instance if you trade him, and let's say you draft Justin Gilbert, he likely starts with DRC.
You then have Thurmond, Hosley, McBride and Bowman as backups.
Don't sleep on  
andrew_nyg : 3/31/2014 2:12 pm : link
James!
Can't  
AcidTest : 3/31/2014 2:15 pm : link
imagine trading Prince. Bowman must be hear for his ST abilities, and as a backup. Still seems like overkill to me after Thurmond and DRC.

Prince, DRC, Thurmond, McBride, and Hosley. Now Bowman. Are we going to carry 6 CBs? And what about S? We've got Rolle, Hill, Taylor, Demps, and Brown. That's 10 DBs. Not happening. Of course, we won't have that problem if someone is unfortunately injured, but adding Bowman seems like a lot.
Don't they usually carry 6 CBs?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/31/2014 2:17 pm : link
.
they typically keep 6 cbs  
bc4life : 3/31/2014 2:18 pm : link
Prince, Ridgers-Cromartie, Thurmond (*suspension risk), McBride, Bowman, Hosely (*injury risk) and a bunch of other guys.

Outside of Prince, RC, and McBride - the others are not locks to make and stay on the team due to concerns be they injuries, off-the-field, issues, or performance. So, I don't see the rush to trade someone - because the shelves are not necessarily overstocked.
CB  
stretch234 : 3/31/2014 2:32 pm : link
Since the Eli era started, the Giants have very rarely even remained healthy with CB's. Rolle has had to play slot almost every year here, and Holsey, while talented has not been healthy.

You really need to have 6 CB's that can play. I would rather have a lot of competition in camp and know what guys can do vs going into the season and hoping the top guys do not get hurt.

Plus, it really is difficult to find CB who can play. They have that
I like it...  
Damon : 3/31/2014 2:33 pm : link
Look at the games we lost year? As bad as the O-Line was... Special Teams might have been worse. Instead of JAGs for depth, viable assets on Special Teams will make sure that we don't lose 3 games due to kick/punt return TDs.

I still think Charles Brown gets signed to be the swing tackle.
RE: CB  
mfsd : 3/31/2014 2:37 pm : link
In comment 11597421 stretch234 said:
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Since the Eli era started, the Giants have very rarely even remained healthy with CB's. Rolle has had to play slot almost every year here, and Holsey, while talented has not been healthy.

You really need to have 6 CB's that can play. I would rather have a lot of competition in camp and know what guys can do vs going into the season and hoping the top guys do not get hurt.

Plus, it really is difficult to find CB who can play. They have that


Exactly - it seems almost every year we're signing CBs off the street by mid-season. This year, we're signing a dozen by April 1

Plus we may well be preparing for a Prince FA departure next year
I like that the Giants are showing they have a plan  
mac attack : 3/31/2014 2:38 pm : link
basesplan based around a philosophy due to how the game is changing. They recognize the game is passer friendly and are preparing accordingly. It shows me a way of thinking that says "we see what's going on and ate acting accordingly."

We changed our O and have a chance at a highly ranked WR or TE in the draft.

We stocked up on secondary and got the 2nd best DB in free agency to add to Prince, Rolle, Hill and Brown.

I like the Giants logic, whether it works out or not on the field.
Trade or not  
Giants2012 : 3/31/2014 2:41 pm : link
I think the Giants are being Reactive to what they saw in Philly and Proactive b/c they believing it will get better.
. . .  
Giants2012 : 3/31/2014 2:43 pm : link
sounds better using English :/

You know what I'm saying
Good special teamer, and Lord knows we can use more of those.  
Klaatu : 3/31/2014 2:51 pm : link
(Unintentional Rhyme)

Looks bad for James, not to mention the four CBs on the PS, but you never know how things will shake out in camp.
If the plethora of signings impact anyone at CB it will be ....  
raever : 3/31/2014 2:55 pm : link
Jayron Hosley. It's time for him to mature and find some consistency to his game. He has ability but watching him you see a player that blows assignments and makes bad decisions. I hope competition brings out the best in him because he's got plenty now.
not a lot of UDFA CBs  
nyynyg : 3/31/2014 3:14 pm : link
are going to want to sign with us since we basically have six locks it seems.
I guess  
CapeGman : 3/31/2014 3:21 pm : link
the Giants now realize that at least 2 guys snap their ACL's every year in the secondary.
I cant remember the Giants having this many  
j_rud : 3/31/2014 3:25 pm : link
capable CBs. 4 guys with starting experience, 2 with very high ceilings.
RE: This is the most strangely deep Giants secondary I can remember.  
speedywheels : 3/31/2014 3:25 pm : link
In comment 11597226 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Not sure I understand what's going on yegt.


It's called depth, FEK. Ever hear of it?
RE: RE: This is the most strangely deep Giants secondary I can remember.  
j_rud : 3/31/2014 3:29 pm : link
In comment 11597538 speedywheels said:
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In comment 11597226 Mike in Long Beach said:


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Not sure I understand what's going on yegt.



It's called depth, FEK. Ever hear of it?


So whats going on this offseason is just business as usual? The Giants always devote so many resources to bringing in CBs from the FA market?
We need all the CBs we can get  
bluesince56 : 3/31/2014 3:31 pm : link
Half are hurt by the third game anyway.
Thomas and Ross are gone for starters.  
Victor in CT : 3/31/2014 3:47 pm : link
It also says that Hosley is hanging on by a thread and that they are not convinced that McBride is for real.
Strangely deep?  
Klaatu : 3/31/2014 3:49 pm : link


Or scar-r-r-r-r-r-r-y deep?
RE: Can't  
Great White Ghost : 3/31/2014 3:52 pm : link
In comment 11597368 AcidTest said:
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imagine trading Prince. Bowman must be hear for his ST abilities, and as a backup. Still seems like overkill to me after Thurmond and DRC.

Prince, DRC, Thurmond, McBride, and Hosley. Now Bowman. Are we going to carry 6 CBs? And what about S? We've got Rolle, Hill, Taylor, Demps, and Brown. That's 10 DBs. Not happening. Of course, we won't have that problem if someone is unfortunately injured, but adding Bowman seems like a lot.
We lose Ross, Webster and Thomas ( Webster was slated starter last year, thomas as a solid backup) and replace them with DRC, Thurmond and Bowman. Where's the overkill, and what's not to like? 3 out, 3 in.
RE: This doesn't necessarily mean we're not drafting a CB  
Randy in CT : 3/31/2014 3:53 pm : link
In comment 11597234 JonC said:
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It just means we don't have an urgent need at CB to force a draft pick.

Would you not draft Gilbert if there's a chance you don't want to pay Prince $7-8M per next year, or the year after? Always look beyond the season at hand.
I;d also be more inclined to deal the pick because we don't really need a CB at the moment and we can use the extra picks.

It would actually be wasteful to take the CB pick at 12 at this point. There will be a lot of good players in the mid-first.
RE: they typically keep 6 cbs  
Great White Ghost : 3/31/2014 3:55 pm : link
In comment 11597376 bc4life said:
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Prince, Ridgers-Cromartie, Thurmond (*suspension risk), McBride, Bowman, Hosely (*injury risk) and a bunch of other guys.

Outside of Prince, RC, and McBride - the others are not locks to make and stay on the team due to concerns be they injuries, off-the-field, issues, or performance. So, I don't see the rush to trade someone - because the shelves are not necessarily overstocked.
McBride isn't even a lock, and he's no spring chjicken either.It's conceiveable Hosly, or James, Or thrumond could beat him out for a spot. Likely, maybe not, but he is no Lock, I don't think.James seems to want a spot.Who knows?
RE: If the plethora of signings impact anyone at CB it will be ....  
Great White Ghost : 3/31/2014 3:59 pm : link
In comment 11597478 raever said:
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Jayron Hosley. It's time for him to mature and find some consistency to his game. He has ability but watching him you see a player that blows assignments and makes bad decisions. I hope competition brings out the best in him because he's got plenty now.
Indeed. I'm pretty sure the Giants wanted more out of him by this time.
Maybe signing all the CBs is a draft strategy  
DP : 3/31/2014 4:29 pm : link
With all the talk of QBs, OLs being signed early on, perhaps Reese figures some team with a need for CB will come calling at 12.
They arent carrying any more CB's  
Blue Blood : 3/31/2014 4:35 pm : link
than they did last year...

They lost three.. They added three.. period..

Lose Webster, Ross, Thomas...

gain DRC, Thurman, Bowman..


ZERO CHANGE in the number.. just an upgrade in the talent...
RE: RE: RE: This is the most strangely deep Giants secondary I can remember.  
speedywheels : 3/31/2014 4:39 pm : link
In comment 11597553 j_rud said:
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In comment 11597226 Mike in Long Beach said:


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Not sure I understand what's going on yegt.



It's called depth, FEK. Ever hear of it?



So whats going on this offseason is just business as usual? The Giants always devote so many resources to bringing in CBs from the FA market?


Yes, signing guys for positions they were thin and/or injury prone in the previous year is pretty much SOP for the Giants. Most other teams as well.
BOWMAN is a monster  
KooKoo4Giants : 3/31/2014 4:58 pm : link
This is the deepest secondary the giants ever had. We may not give up a 300 yard passer this year? According to the facts, we only gave up 2 300 yard passers last year anyway!

AN ALREADY GREAT SECONDARY JUST GOT BETTA!
Lots of solid competition for back-up jobs…...  
Simms11 : 3/31/2014 5:08 pm : link
depth in the secondary is a good thing and this guy has the goods. If he was brought in to also play on STs, he will dress every week. That may not be a good thing for Hosley. I also think they are protecting against the injury bug too.
RE: I dont see the issue with the number of CB's  
shabu : 3/31/2014 5:42 pm : link
In comment 11597277 Blue Blood said:
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last year we had Prince, Webster, Ross, Thomas, McBride Holsey and James

This year its Prince, DRC, Thurman, McBride, Bowman, Holsey, and James..

same number of CB's as last season.. so maybe Charles James is on the bubble??



Did not know numbers are the same... looks good then with significant upgrades !
now we need a bad ass full sized left defensive end  
alligatorpie : 3/31/2014 6:32 pm : link
.drafted style
Reese is going to have to have  
Simms11 : 3/31/2014 6:53 pm : link
another Free Agency next year like this year with so many one year deals!
I think there are two reasons for all these DBs  
GeofromNJ : 3/31/2014 6:55 pm : link
The most effective way to defend against the quick release offense of Kelly's Eagles and RGIII is with multiple cornerbacks. Also, I think the Giants feel their poor special teams play was due to slow linebackers and they'd rather have quicker, albeit smaller, coverage guys defendng.
IDK about the idea that the giants might not think mcbride  
Neverend : 3/31/2014 9:58 pm : link
is for real. they gave him a pretty good amount of guaranteed cash in his deal. that looks like a contract where they expect him to be on the roster
Its a known fact that the 2-2-7 is a very simplistic defense  
PatersonPlank : 3/31/2014 10:09 pm : link
Which, as all of you know, is the only reason our defense improved last year. Who needs talent.
Its the same number of CB's people  
Blue Blood : 3/31/2014 10:21 pm : link
we are losing three.. gaining three.. simple..
think we are just getting smart and stockpiling good corners  
clint : 4/1/2014 1:39 pm : link
think we basically finally got smart! yes, it was nice to win 2 sbs with a pass rush; but it just is not sustainable; you still need decent corners for when the rush doesn't get there and it's not going to get there on every pass attempt (e.g., you're not going to have like 20 sacks for every 25 pass attempts). so think we just have finally gotten smart and gotten decent corners. I like it!
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