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NFT: 2014-Mets Minor league stuff

DanMetroMan : 4/2/2014 10:20 am
I've never really been a huge IGT poster when it comes to the Mets/Giants but this season especially I'm really focused on the minors and guys like Wheeler so I'll try to keep a running thread on the stuff going on in the minors every day


-Mets hopeful Mazzoni won't miss much time pending MRI results
-Rubin had a nice feature on Nimmo, apparently his hand issue was more extensive than the Mets initially noticed (no shock with this franchise lol)

- AA rotation (in order)-
Gorski
Lara
Pill
Robles
Peavey
Bowman

-Thursday's starters- Montero, Gorski, Ynoa and Gsellman

AAA rotation (not in order)
Noah Syndergaard
Jacob deGrom
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Rafael Montero
Logan Verrett

-Chasen Bradford named closer of AA Mets
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does  
feelflows : 4/2/2014 10:31 am : link
verrett have the stuff to be a starter? does he break 90mph?
Verrett  
DanMetroMan : 4/2/2014 10:34 am : link
is very unlikely to be an MLB starter. FB is 88-90, good slider, HR prone. If he's a starter it's a 5th starter type, reliever almost certainly his future.
...  
DanMetroMan : 4/2/2014 10:35 am : link
@BaseballAmerica names @RobWhalen38 a "High ceiling sleeper" in the Mets system http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/organization-talent-rankings-pirates-pipeline-wont-run-dry-in-2014/ #mets

Mets #10 farm system
Whalen's family originally from Queens, he grew up a Mets fan  
EmpireWF : 4/2/2014 11:35 am : link
He  
DanMetroMan : 4/2/2014 11:38 am : link
has a bit of a "feud" with Toby Hyde which I'm sure Toby will try and patchup this year while covering him.
St. Lucie roster-  
DanMetroMan : 4/2/2014 11:39 am : link
Maron
Carnevale
Cessa
Cordero
De La Cruz
Evans
Fontanez
Frenzel
Fulmer
Gomez
Hilario
Herrera
Koch
Kuebler
Lugo
Matz
Mitchell
Nimmo
Perez
Pina
J. Reynolds
Rivera
Rodriguez
Sewald
Shields
Tapia
Wheeler
Ynoa
Zapata

(No idea who starts on the DL etc)

AAA roster...  
Italianju : 4/2/2014 11:41 am : link
should be entertaining. Any word if they are still going to have the one camera angle MiLB.tv feed again, that sucked.
I  
DanMetroMan : 4/2/2014 11:45 am : link
tweeted the 51's begging for a better camera feed and they never responded. 51's and St. Lucie Mets don't have good coverage in general. Savannah has Toby, Bing has Worthy and Tim Heiman, 51's literally don't have a beat guy and I don't think St. Lucie does either. If I lived down there I'd try and become "The guy" for the St. Lucie mets lol
a little bit surprising Gorski is back in AA  
oipolloi : 4/2/2014 11:47 am : link
is that just because they want him to start and there is no room right now at AAA?
No  
DanMetroMan : 4/2/2014 11:48 am : link
room. Verrett got the final spot when Mazzoni went down. Otherwise it would have been Mazzoni in that slot and Verrett replacing Peavey. Gorski hurt his shoulder last year and still pitched well but velocity was way down. He wasn't invited to MLB ST so he's clearly not a priority for them at the moment. Doesn't mean he can't become one. I feel bad for John Church, he belongs in AAA.
wow  
feelflows : 4/2/2014 11:55 am : link
Whalen looks like a just retired NYG OL.
That's not  
pjcas18 : 4/2/2014 12:05 pm : link
Diehl?
That  
DanMetroMan : 4/2/2014 12:12 pm : link
is Diehl, I assumed FF was kidding. Whalen is a huge Mets/Giants fan and a nice kid. Doesn't make him a better prospect but does make him someone I am rooting extra hard for.
I think Whalen is the other guy  
oipolloi : 4/2/2014 12:19 pm : link
even though he looks about 38 years old in that picture

good numbers last year, but it was Kingsport
The  
DanMetroMan : 4/2/2014 12:24 pm : link
knock on Whalen is he's not very projectable ie his frame is filled out vs. some other guys who have more growth so the "concern" is stuff-wise is he a "mature" guy doing well vs. less mature hitters. I've never seen him pitch personally and Savannah will keep his numbers down (H/R splits are pretty significant every year for Savannah guys) but he's certainly intriguing. Truthfully until A+ (where the ballpark is neutral) the numbers are less important than the scouting.
obviously  
feelflows : 4/2/2014 2:21 pm : link
I was kidding lol
LOL  
pjcas18 : 4/2/2014 2:25 pm : link
I just re-read that and it's obvious you were kidding.
...  
DanMetroMan : 4/3/2014 9:31 am : link
Today's starters- @Wheelerpro45, AAA- Montero, AA- @darin_gorski20 , A+ Gabriel Ynoa and A-Gsellman #mets #openingday4Real
..  
DanMetroMan : 4/3/2014 11:38 am : link

Vegas 10:05 (on milb.. but a home game grrrrrrrrrrrrrr)

6:30 for St. Lucie (still without an official roster)
6:35 for Bing
7:05 for Savannah

Go  
DanMetroMan : 4/3/2014 3:55 pm : link
Mets teams that matter!:)
AA  
DanMetroMan : 4/3/2014 4:01 pm : link
1- Ceciliani-8
2-Burgamy-5
3-Plawecki-2
4-Clark DH
5-Boyd-3
6-Lawley-7
7-Reynolds-6
8-Tovar-4
9-Gorski-1
..  
DanMetroMan : 4/3/2014 4:02 pm : link
Quote:
Gnats pitching coach Marc Valdes explained that while Gsellman was the most worthy choice to go on Opening Night for the Gnats, logistical issues, like throwing schedules matter too at this level: The rotation is not really set up as a 1-2-3-4-5-6 guys. It was his time to throw. In a way, he did deserve it the way he was throwing in spring training and leading up from the end of last year. We felt hes a guy, who had 6-7 days; hes ready to pitch.. He is a good guy to go out there game one, especially with his command of his pitches. I think, right now, he gives us the best chance to win game one.

Gsellman, had a nice spring in Port St. Lucie. Valdes reports that he impressed the AAA staff in an intra-squad game, One example, he pitched against the AAA team, went five innings no problem. Wally Backman said he held his composure he gave up a couple hits, maybe a home run just pretty much breezed through the five innings, moving his pitches in and out and changing speeds.

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St. Lucie  
DanMetroMan : 4/3/2014 4:14 pm : link
Starting lineup vs Palm Beach: Pina RF, Nimmo CF, Rivera 1B, A. Rodriguez 3B, Herrera 2B, Perez DH, Maron C, Evans SS, De La Cruz FL
Nimmo  
DanMetroMan : 4/3/2014 8:03 pm : link
2-2 double
Cheech  
DanMetroMan : 4/3/2014 8:04 pm : link
1-1 sb
...  
DanMetroMan : 4/3/2014 8:54 pm : link
Gsellman 5.1 innings 10 hits 2 runs 2 walks 5 k's, @TheRealSmith22 1-2, @GavinCecchini2 1-3, K, 2b #mets

Meh 2014 debut for Gabriel Ynoa 5.1 innings 8 hits 2 er 1 walk 1 k 4/10 AO/FO, @You_Found_Nimmo 2-2 2b BB, Rivera granny, 5 rbi #mets
Gabriel  
DanMetroMan : 4/3/2014 9:25 pm : link
Ynoa gets the win despite a poor performance, Beck Wheeler the save 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 1 k, star of the game goes to TJ Rivera who went 3-4 with 5 rbi including a granny, nice A+ debut for Nimmo who reached base 3 times, single, 2b and walk (also struck out once)
Tonight  
DanMetroMan : 4/3/2014 9:59 pm : link
AA-
Gorski awful 3.2 innings 4 hits 1 er 3 walks 2 k's (pulled after 85 pitches, 45 strikes)

Leathersich 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 1 walk 3 k's 19 pitches, 11 strikes


Boyd 1-4

Tovar 1-2 BB

Ceciliani 1-4, 3b, BB

Plawecki 0-4, 2 passed balls


A+
Ynoa with a yuck performance 5.1 innings 8 hits 3 runs 2 earned 1 walk 1 k, 4 GO/10 FO

Beck Wheeler 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 1 k (Save #1)

Nimmo 2-3, 2b, K, 2 runs, BB
TJ Rivera 3-5, granny, 5 rbi
Herrera 0-4

Savannah
Cecchini 2-5, SB, error
Smith 1-4
Biondi 3-4, HR

Gsellman 5.1 innings 10 hits 2 runs 2 walks 5 k's


Not the greatest day on the farm, hopefully Montero changes that
1-2-3 first  
DanMetroMan : 4/3/2014 10:12 pm : link
for Montero with 1 K (Kirk saved his bacon on a great catch)
Nimmo seems  
pjcas18 : 4/3/2014 10:18 pm : link
to walk a lot. K's a lot, but seems like he walks a lot for a youngster.

I realize his timetable isn't imminent, but is he a leadoff hitter candidate?

If he's a legit CFer he won't be expected to have the same power #'s as a corner OFer and as 20 year old had an almost .400 OBP.

PJ  
DanMetroMan : 4/3/2014 10:23 pm : link
at one point (pre knee issues) Nimmo was compared to Sizemore. His speed never came back so Sizemore aint happening but yeah it's possible he's a leadoff hitter though it's also possible he's a 3-5 hitter. Could still hit for power.

Montero... 20 pitches 17 strikes.
Montero wow  
DanMetroMan : 4/3/2014 10:44 pm : link
32 pitches, 3 scoreless
DMM  
pjcas18 : 4/3/2014 10:57 pm : link
are you watching or just following online?
Thor  
pjcas18 : 4/3/2014 11:05 pm : link
pitches tomorrow.

The AAA should be on the east coast. they'd outdraw the Mets if they had a big enough stadium.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 4/3/2014 11:07 pm : link
watching but I'm going to bail soon. The camera angle is awful. Being totally neutral, Montero hasn't been quite as impressive as his line (a lot of hard contact) but you can see he's going to be successful at the MLB level. his stuff is good enough that the ability to throw strikes whenever he wants is going to be a huge combo. He's almost certainly not an ace but I think he's going to be the 3rd best pitcher we have after Harvey and Thor (no knock on Wheeler) just better juju from Montero. In fact, forgetting body type for a second.. he's got a Bartolo Colon profile in my view.
wow  
feelflows : 4/4/2014 12:18 pm : link
Puello - 0-4 with 3ks!!

every other 51 had at least a hit.

great job by Montero/Lutz/Nieuwy

and for the most part, good job bullpen. Black walks 2 more, but ks 2 in his inning?
Today's games  
DanMetroMan : 4/5/2014 4:49 pm : link
AA-
Game 1
5.1 8 hits 3 runs 1 walk 3 k's
Bradford 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 1 k
Boyd 1-2, 2 run double
Plawecki 1-3 BB





Pill (yuck) 4 innings 6 hits 3 runs 3 walks
Church 2 perfect 3 k's
Reynolds 1-3, 2b
Bobby Abreu batting 1.000  
EmpireWF : 4/6/2014 3:13 am : link
:)
..  
DanMetroMan : 4/6/2014 12:48 pm : link
Today's starters @LasVegas51s-@lverrett4, @bmets Robles, @stluciemets-Tapia, @gnatsbaseball-@kevinmcgowanjr #mets


4 guys who are likely relievers, all 4 have big league potential. Tapia obviously the biggest upside.
I  
DanMetroMan : 4/6/2014 1:04 pm : link
wrote this before the season but never posted it here if anyone is interested.

Quote:
Spring training is upon us and if there is any time to be positive about the future of your team its now.

Even when the big club was more successful NYFSers have always been as interested in the future of the Mets as the current big league club, with a strong focus on minor league and amateur players. Members of the site have long debated which prospects are future stars (Jose Reyes, David Wright etc), which prospects werent as good as their numbers (Yusmeiro Petit). 3 years ago we finally made the move to both give some context for the players in the system AND to expand discussion of some overlooked players.

Here are the NYFS Community 2014 Preseason Top 50 Mets Prospects:

http://www.nyfuturestars.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=40306

The list essentially started out with the usual suspects being nominated as players were voted on members nominated players they felt were worthy. Players who did not receive much support would be removed from the list. Because people have a difference of opinion regarding the question what IS a prospect? We followed the eligibility rules used by Baseball America 130 at-bats, 50 innings or 30 games pitched. These rules had very little effect on the 2014 list as players such as Wilmer Flores and Travis dArnaud made the cutoff.

A poor ranking for a player did not/does not necessarily represent the view of a players future. In some case injury, level of play and lack of data held players back from a higher ranking in 2014. Just using Casey Meisner as an example (#38) its conceivable Meisner could be a top 15-20 (or higher) prospect on the 2015 list, a similar situation can be found with #36 Ivan Wilson.

Next years list figures to have a much different look than recent years with the following players all with decent odds (or better) of losing 2015 eligiblity (including all 5 members of the NYFS top 5)

1) Noah Syndergaard
2) Travis dArnaud
3) Rafael Montero
4) Wilmer Flores
5) Cesar Puello
15) Vic Black
16) Jacob deGrom
17) Jeurys Familia
18) Cory Mazzoni
21) Matt den Dekker
23) Jeffrey Walters
24) Gonzalez Germen
31) Erik Goeddel
35) Wilfredo Tovar

Click Here for the complete preseason Mets top 50 prospects.

The ranking of the system by and large is a very rough idea of how the future of the big club looks. The Mets system could tumble down to the late teens or 20′s yet successful season from the 2014 rookies could make the future look extremely bright. The same tumble into the late teens and 20′s with the 2014 rookies not performing so well and the doldrums that have haunted Mets fans in recent years will continue.

There are reasons to be more confident in the Mets going forward than in recent years but the future of the franchise likely rests on the backs of many of the guys listed above and not Terry Collins, Sandy Alderson or Fred/Jeff Wilpon. Go Mets.

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DanMetroMan : 4/7/2014 9:30 am : link
Today's pitching: @LasVegas51s- @matsu_dice, @bmets @GregPeavey, @stluciemets OFF, @gnatsbaseball @kevinmcgowanjr #mets
...  
DanMetroMan : 4/9/2014 8:27 am : link
Today's starters : @LasVegas51s @Noahsyndergaard , @bmets @bowmandernchief , @stluciemets @mattykoch20, @gnatsbaseball Knapp #mets

Montero was solid last night (9 k's over 6) allowed 3 runs but those who saw the play blamed Flores for a poor play at SS.

Cessa meh with 6 innings 8 hits 2 runs 0 walks 2 k's

Cecchini (double header) 1-6, 2 walks

Nimmo 1-3, K

Not a lot of standouts yesterday

Jared King has started hot for Savannah however
Rubin  
DanMetroMan : 4/9/2014 9:16 am : link

Mazzoni
Quote:
Mets doctors have diagnosed Cory Mazzoni with a lat strain, a team official said. The preliminary diagnosis had involved the triceps. Mazzoni apparently is now not particularly close to joining the Triple-A Las Vegas rotation, but Mets officials are relieved it is neither a shoulder nor elbow injury that might raise alarm. Mazzoni was forced to pull himself from the Grapefruit League finale as the Mets were breaking camp two weeks ago.
Who's  
Metnut : 4/9/2014 9:24 am : link
rotation places are Montero and Snyderggaard going to take? I understand that injuries will most likely make the question moot, but what if everyone stays healthy and it's late June and Montero and Snyder are still dealing?
Metnut  
DanMetroMan : 4/9/2014 9:27 am : link
all due respect but as you said the odds of having 5 starters all healthy and pitching well are very low. If that were to happen one may be called up and the other likely wouldn't. While Montero/Thor are likely key parts of the future team they aren't removing any of the 5 if they are all pitching well. Mejia for one has a pretty low innings limit so come mid-season you could see potentially a piggyback situation (2 starters in one game).
Wed-  
DanMetroMan : 4/10/2014 8:04 am : link
AAA-
Thor was worse than his iffy stat line going 5 innings allowing 6 hits 4 runs (3 earned) walking 2, striking out 2, 91 pitches 61 strikes. Just never looked comfortable (I only watched the first 3 innings) but those I spoke to this morning agreed.

Carreno 2 perfect 2 k's

MDD 0-3 2 walks
Seratelli 1-5
Wilmer 1-5 (first SS error)
Puello 2-4


AA\

HH's fave Bowman had a solid AA debut 5 innings 3 hits 1 run 1 walk 4 k's 70 pitches 41 strikes

Leathersich 1 inning 1 walk 2 k's (21 pitches only 11 strikes however) They may be better off letting him sink or swim in AAA because AA his MO is miss bats and miss the plate. Not sure he or they are learning much about him at AA.


Plawecki 2-5
Ceciliani 2-5
Boyd 1-5, 2b
Vaughn 1-3
Taijeron 1-3, 2 walks
Tovar 2-4, 3 rbi


A+

Koch 6 innings 8 hits 2 runs 0 walks 1 k (solid enough)
Herrera 2-5, rbi
Nimmo 1-3, 2 walks 1 k (obp now a robust .480, not a ton of power yet, hopefully that will come), very solid start to his season

A

Akeel Morris (a short reliever now) 3 innings... 9 k's!
Cecchini 1-4 rbi, error (he's started slowly)
King 2-3, bb, sb (he's started absolutely on fire)
Dominic Smith 2-4, error
Morris  
Mike in NY : 4/10/2014 8:11 am : link
Looks better as a reliever as he is more able to repeat his delivery in shorter apperances. With how long he has been around the Mets system people may not realize he does not turn 22 until AFTER this season
Mike-  
DanMetroMan : 4/10/2014 8:17 am : link
Morris debuted and people were pretty excited about him despite his command. Year 2 the stuff just wasn't as impressive (probably aiming the ball more) but velocity had declined. last year I saw him live in BK a few times and you could see the FB was pretty damn good. I don't proclaim myself to be a scout but if there is anything I have learned in my last few years of attending minor league games (watching on tv) is the clue that a FB is really good is how late/poor swings are, not velocity (though Morris touches 96-97). The Mets are almost certainly right viewing him as a reliever as his "max" delivery seems to work better and he's only 6'1 170 but if he continues to dominate I wouldn't be blown away seeing him get a few "extended" appearances.
Princecum just goes about his business  
Headhunter : 4/10/2014 8:35 am : link
of not over powering anyone just Dillon Gee like getting hitters out. Frank Viola loves him. Maybe a back end guy or middle reliever
This site is great  
pjcas18 : 4/10/2014 9:12 am : link
for mets minors aggregate information.

aggregates box scores and highlights results from the minors and majors

Got it from this tweet:

Quote:
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Nathan Barnett ‏@nathansbarnett 15m

I've said it once, I'll say it again http://MLBFarm.com

is a must bookmark for baseball broadcasters @darenw http://mlbfarm.com/stats_team.php


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