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nygiants16 : 4/2/2014 10:34 am
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Giants to sign DE Robert Ayers, per source. Two-year deal.
wow...  
raever : 4/2/2014 10:37 am : link
...and the train keeps a rollin all night long.
Remember some of the knuckleheads here  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2014 10:37 am : link
on the first day of free agency that were flipping out because Reese wasn't doing anything? I hope they are happy after 23 signings.
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YAJ2112 : 4/2/2014 10:39 am : link
c''mon Reese!!  
micky : 4/2/2014 10:39 am : link
Do something for criss sakes!! Asleep behind the wheel this fa..jeesh!!
RE: Remember some of the knuckleheads here  
shabu : 4/2/2014 10:40 am : link
In comment 11600474 Jay on the Island said:
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on the first day of free agency that were flipping out because Reese wasn't doing anything? I hope they are happy after 23 signings.


cough OL/TE.
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arcarsenal : 4/2/2014 10:40 am : link
Prepare for a bad year..
Fun offseason.  
bceagle05 : 4/2/2014 10:41 am : link
Can't wait for the draft.
decent depth signing  
Greg from LI : 4/2/2014 10:41 am : link
But JPP had better be back to 2011 quality, because there's not going to be much of a pass rush coming from the rest of the DEs.
RE: RE: Remember some of the knuckleheads here  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/2/2014 10:42 am : link
In comment 11600482 shabu said:
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cough OL/TE.



They've signed four offensive linemen so far.
...  
GP : 4/2/2014 10:42 am : link
"You can never have too many pass rushers"  
mac attack : 4/2/2014 10:44 am : link
I like the move. Adds depth and I feel Ayers is a low risk high reward.

Looking more and more like a WR, TE, or OL in first 2 rounds.
Would be a nice rotational guy with Moore,  
Simms11 : 4/2/2014 10:45 am : link
No TE yet however......I assume they'll wait until after the draft to see whwre they stand.
Salomone Giants.com  
Defenderdawg : 4/2/2014 10:46 am : link
Five things to know:
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1. Originally selected in the first round (18th overall) by the Broncos in the 2009 NFL Draft, Ayers is a fifth-year player who has started 27 of 72 games during his career at outside linebacker (2009-10) and defensive end (2011-13).

2. The 6-3, 274-pound defender was born in Jersey City, N.J., before moving to Bennettsville, S.C., where he was an all-state selection at linebacker during his senior year at Marlboro County High and rated the third-best linebacker prospect in the nation.

3. In 2013, Ayers played 15 games with three starts, posting a career-best 5.5 sacks along with 29 tackles and one forced fumble. He played in all three of the Broncos postseason games en route to a Super Bowl XLVIII appearance and sacked Tom Brady for an 11-yard loss in the AFC Championship Game vs. New England (1/19). Ayers has played in six postseason games overall with one start.

4. Ayers holds the longest scoring fumble return by a Broncos rookie in team history with his 54-yard touchdown on Monday Night Football vs. Pittsburgh (11/9/09).

5. In college Ayers led the University of Tennessee in tackles for a loss during each of his final two years at the school, totaling 27.5 tackles for negative yards over that stretch. He earned second-team All-Southeastern Conference honors as a senior at Tennessee in 2008, starting all 12 games at defensive end and leading the conference with 15.5 tackles for loss, in addition to pacing Tennessees defensive line with 49 tackles (34 solo). Ayers also shared the Andy Spiva Award as Tennessees most improved defender in 2008 while helping the Volunteers tie for third in the country in total defense and rank 10th in the nation in scoring defense.



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I'm dancing!  
showmedaway : 4/2/2014 10:47 am : link
Ayers,  
AcidTest : 4/2/2014 10:47 am : link
Brown, Manningham, Patterson, and Jerry. The second wave of FAs. We had our big signings with DRC, Thurmond, and Schwartz.

Nothing wrong with signing the guys from the second tier, although I probably would have passed on Jerry. It creates competition. But it's far from a given that any of these guys will be on the roster in September. They are veterans trying to resurrect their careers, after injuries or failing elsewhere. So we give them a look see. Fine. But even absent injury, I'd be surprised if they all make the team. My guess is two or three, with Patterson having the best chance because he played and produced for us last year. These guys are not beating out a draft pick that shows promise.
will be 29 in Sept...  
raever : 4/2/2014 10:47 am : link
Ayers had arguably his best year as a pro in 2013 with 5.5 sacks. Has been durable with only a handful of games missed in six seasons. Has the size(6'3/274#) and strength to be an effective run stopping LDE.

He's not an impact player but he is a reliable, solid football player. Good signing by JR...yet again, if the contract is reasonable.
RE:  
arcarsenal : 4/2/2014 10:48 am : link
In comment 11600492 mac attack said:
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I like the move. Adds depth and I feel Ayers is a low risk high reward.

Looking more and more like a WR, TE, or OL in first 2 rounds.



Ayers isn't much of a pass rusher.. well, he hasn't been thus far. Solid run stopping DE, though. Good depth.
Good strong side depth  
jeff57 : 4/2/2014 10:48 am : link
And could start if Moore doesn't impress on the weakside.
Great move to get another body  
Kyle : 4/2/2014 10:49 am : link
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Not sure I get the exciement over this signing.  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/2/2014 10:50 am : link
I do like that he was a former highly-graded, first round draft pick, and perhaps a change of scenery will be a positive for him, but his NFL production thus far speaks for itself.. mediocre at best.
I could see Ayers starting  
nygiants16 : 4/2/2014 10:50 am : link
opposite JPP with Moore and Kiwi coming in for the Nascar package...could move JPP and Ayers into the middle with Moore and Kiwi on the outside...
solid  
TommyWiseau : 4/2/2014 10:50 am : link
Signing, gives us some depth at the position.
RE: RE: Remember some of the knuckleheads here  
phillygiant : 4/2/2014 10:51 am : link
In comment 11600482 shabu said:
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In comment 11600474 Jay on the Island said:


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on the first day of free agency that were flipping out because Reese wasn't doing anything? I hope they are happy after 23 signings.



cough OL/TE.



I guess you missed the signings of Schwartz, Jerry, Walton

Well done

TE more than likely be addressed through the draft
RE: Not sure I get the exciement over this signing.  
nygiants16 : 4/2/2014 10:51 am : link
In comment 11600508 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I do like that he was a former highly-graded, first round draft pick, and perhaps a change of scenery will be a positive for him, but his NFL production thus far speaks for itself.. mediocre at best.


He was good last year for the Broncos...and if you actually look at his career the Broncos tried to make him an outside line backer and he struggled his first couple of years..when moved back to Defensive End he started showing why he was a first round pick...

last year 5.5 sacks and had his best season...
And since this board  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/2/2014 10:51 am : link
sometimes like's to inaccurately associate the curbing of enthusiasm with the promotion of negativity, let me specify that I'm not knocking the move. It's added competition and there is potential for success here. I'm just not sure I get the hooplah this place seems to have for Ayers as a player, currently.
RE: Not sure I get the exciement over this signing.  
arcarsenal : 4/2/2014 10:52 am : link
In comment 11600508 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I do like that he was a former highly-graded, first round draft pick, and perhaps a change of scenery will be a positive for him, but his NFL production thus far speaks for itself.. mediocre at best.


It's called depth. We need it and it's important. Let us know where that young 15 sack DE is just sitting around waiting to be signed for cheap.
arc  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/2/2014 10:54 am : link
See my post just above yours.
If he can fill the old Tolleson role it's a useful  
Victor in CT : 4/2/2014 10:54 am : link
signing.
I am simply relieved that the Giants are adding legitimate  
BigBlueBuff : 4/2/2014 10:54 am : link
players to compete for depth and not relying on rookies, street free agents, and the previous roster failures to answer the glaring roster questions.

All I want is for them to create reasonable competition and draft the very best players possible regardless of position.
RE: Not sure I get the exciement over this signing.  
Blue Blood : 4/2/2014 10:54 am : link
In comment 11600508 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I do like that he was a former highly-graded, first round draft pick, and perhaps a change of scenery will be a positive for him, but his NFL production thus far speaks for itself.. mediocre at best.


Defensive ends do more than rush the passer. He is a solid run defender and we need depth on the DL badly.. you need a DE rotation to keep guys fresh.. the Giants had three DE's on the roster and one very unproven in Moore.. now they have a vet who has experience...
Schwartz, Jerry, Walton, Brown...  
raever : 4/2/2014 10:55 am : link
yes we've added offensive linemen...but aside from Schwartz the quality is mediocre or comes with injury baggage. There could be some upside as well but let's not act like the O-line is fixed and ready to go. There is more work to be done there...potentially a lot more.
I wonder if Ayers plays more than  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2014 10:55 am : link
we currently expect. Ayers is known as a solid run stuffer so assuming JPP stays at RE then Ayers might play a lot on 1st and 2nd down unless Moore and Kiwi play better versus the run. Worst case scenario is that he is excellent depth.
Reese ain't bullshitin  
Rflairr : 4/2/2014 10:56 am : link
Heck of an offseason
Nice!  
Pete in MD : 4/2/2014 10:56 am : link
I called this a few weeks ago. (I was really just throwing it out there because the situation appeared to make sense for both the team and the player.) FWIW, PFF grades him pretty highly, especially in run defense. 11.1 overall, 11.5 run D, 3.9 pass D. He gets a -2.5 for pass coverage and -1.8 for penalties.
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arcarsenal : 4/2/2014 10:56 am : link
I don't think people are celebrating like we just signed a pro bowler. Not sure why you're nitpicking that people are happy about adding another solid, rotational DE who is good against the run. It's a solid signing. No one is going crazy about it.
Stop the run in the front,  
Exit 172 : 4/2/2014 10:57 am : link
and stop the pass in the back.

That seems like the 2014 defense we're setting up.
RE: Schwartz, Jerry, Walton, Brown...  
Jay on the Island : 4/2/2014 10:58 am : link
In comment 11600530 raever said:
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yes we've added offensive linemen...but aside from Schwartz the quality is mediocre or comes with injury baggage. There could be some upside as well but let's not act like the O-line is fixed and ready to go. There is more work to be done there...potentially a lot more.


raever you are right there is work that needs to be done but that will happen during the draft as will adding a TE. I expect the Giants to add a TE during the draft, maybe two, and adding several UDFA TE's to the mix. Remember these UDFA's will want to go to the team that gives them the best chance of making the roster. Any UDFA TE will just need to look at what the Giants sent out there last year and have to feel like the Giants are the most attractive.
This team is going for it.  
kmed : 4/2/2014 10:59 am : link
Can't waste another year of Eli's prime. I was never a fan of trying to fill all these holes in FA, but these are almost all value signings(as opposed to DRC). These aren't high profile, big money signings.
The TE market has been  
Randy in CT : 4/2/2014 11:00 am : link
shit. Focus.
if you don't like the signing, look at it this way  
Greg from LI : 4/2/2014 11:00 am : link
What DE that they could actually get would be a better choice?

I don't think this is some kind of home run signing, but you could certainly do worse.
The team had a serious depth problem last year.  
BeerFridge : 4/2/2014 11:08 am : link
This offseason they clearly decided to make a serious attempt to change that. Reese is not waiting until the draft to fill holes. Clearly he's not gonna let himself get penned into any one position in the draft.

Let's hope that these vets are ready to make a run.
Any pass rush ability...  
rptl530 : 4/2/2014 11:10 am : link
this guy shows is icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned if he can be an above average run defender.
RE: Not sure I get the exciement over this signing.  
KWhite2250 : 4/2/2014 11:15 am : link
In comment 11600508 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I do like that he was a former highly-graded, first round draft pick, and perhaps a change of scenery will be a positive for him, but his NFL production thus far speaks for itself.. mediocre at best.


Heard Ayers likes HIMYM...soft man
Its official  
Blue Blood : 4/2/2014 11:16 am : link
Its on their site
Ayers Signed - ( New Window )
Another solid signing  
Rick in Dallas : 4/2/2014 11:17 am : link
that adds depth to DL.Reese continues to check the box. I will need program guide to watch the GMEN this year.
Man, with all these Broncos being signed  
Enoch : 4/2/2014 11:22 am : link
I'm having flashbacks to the Dan Reeves regime.

Tommy Maddox is retired, right?
I like the two years.  
Big Blue '56 : 4/2/2014 11:23 am : link
Not enamored with the one year anymore..;)
He really  
PaulN : 4/2/2014 11:27 am : link
Helps the run defense, we lost Tuck and Joseph for our run defense, but now we have added Ayers and McClain, you also may as well count JPP into that since he did not play much or up to what he can play last season, and remember, even though Kiwi is not a good pass rusher either, he can also defend the run. I think we can really focus on adding pass rushers now, plus Moore has a year under his belt. With a healthy JPP and Moore with another year under his belt, we have a good start with pass rushers, I think we will add 2 from this draft, a player for the inside and a player for the outside.
depth, roster competition, and more depth  
JonC : 4/2/2014 11:28 am : link
Bring everyone to training camp and let them settle it on the field. One thing this team needs is hunger, as well as speed upgrades and to get younger, if possible. If the Browns, Jerrys, and Ayers knock unproductives off the roster, so be it.

TE is the only glaring need left leading up to the draft.
RE: RE: Not sure I get the exciement over this signing.  
arcarsenal : 4/2/2014 11:28 am : link
In comment 11600604 KWhite2250 said:
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I do like that he was a former highly-graded, first round draft pick, and perhaps a change of scenery will be a positive for him, but his NFL production thus far speaks for itself.. mediocre at best.



Heard Ayers likes HIMYM...soft man


LOL..
When was the last time a Giants DE had a sack....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 4/2/2014 11:28 am : link
....In A Championship Game?
Power moves!  
mfsd : 4/2/2014 11:29 am : link
Reese has been going to work this offseason
RE: The TE market has been  
BMac : 4/2/2014 11:30 am : link
In comment 11600557 Randy in CT said:
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shit. Focus.


Very true, but I have a suspicion that they're waiting to see what happens with Finley before all is said and done on the FA front. I do certainly expect at least one TE drafted.

They could extend Rolle's deal if they need money.
RE: Not sure I get the exciement over this signing.  
Mason : 4/2/2014 11:30 am : link
In comment 11600508 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I do like that he was a former highly-graded, first round draft pick, and perhaps a change of scenery will be a positive for him, but his NFL production thus far speaks for itself.. mediocre at best.


Lol, he was mediocre enough to take out the Giants high price OL Snee and Bass. I still remember him running pass them as Eli handed off to Jacobs last season.
Competition for Kiwanuka  
Enoch : 4/2/2014 11:30 am : link
and insurance in case Moore fails to develop as hoped.
RE: RE: Not sure I get the exciement over this signing.  
YAJ2112 : 4/2/2014 11:33 am : link
In comment 11600652 Mason said:
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In comment 11600508 Mike in Long Beach said:


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I do like that he was a former highly-graded, first round draft pick, and perhaps a change of scenery will be a positive for him, but his NFL production thus far speaks for itself.. mediocre at best.



Lol, he was mediocre enough to take out the Giants high price OL Snee and Bass. I still remember him running pass them as Eli handed off to Jacobs last season.


Pretty good memory there, mudbear.
damn  
YAJ2112 : 4/2/2014 11:36 am : link
maybe I'm the mudbear
Did Spencer sign anywhere?  
KJG5173 : 4/2/2014 11:39 am : link
I haven't heard any news on that front after he left. Looks like he is still unsigned and didn't have many visits. I know it's thought he was used for the kiwi paycut. But adding him would be stellar, I don't think this signing or spencer would hinder Moore at all. Just depth and insurance. Would like to see Spencer on a nice 2-3 year deal
Ayers is a Kiwi-type player  
oipolloi : 4/2/2014 11:40 am : link
only he probably makes a fraction of what Kiwi costs

I like it.  
old man : 4/2/2014 11:40 am : link
Even if he is 'just a good run defender' he's likely the best of the FA DEs.

Still likely 1 more FA DL, and, I agree w/ 'Jay on the island' re: FA TEs: if I'm one and I look at the last year and whats there now, AND, the draft market for TEs, I'm thinking 'I'm better than the whole collective of other guys; gotta get my agent to call(callback) Giants and ASK for a tryout'.
RE: RE: RE: Not sure I get the exciement over this signing.  
Mason : 4/2/2014 11:44 am : link
In comment 11600664 YAJ2112 said:
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I do like that he was a former highly-graded, first round draft pick, and perhaps a change of scenery will be a positive for him, but his NFL production thus far speaks for itself.. mediocre at best.



Lol, he was mediocre enough to take out the Giants high price OL Snee and Bass. I still remember him running pass them as Eli handed off to Jacobs last season.



Pretty good memory there, mudbear.


That's the play that NFLN kept showing over and over.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Not sure I get the exciement over this signing.  
YAJ2112 : 4/2/2014 11:46 am : link
In comment 11600693 Mason said:
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I do like that he was a former highly-graded, first round draft pick, and perhaps a change of scenery will be a positive for him, but his NFL production thus far speaks for itself.. mediocre at best.



Lol, he was mediocre enough to take out the Giants high price OL Snee and Bass. I still remember him running pass them as Eli handed off to Jacobs last season.



Pretty good memory there, mudbear.



That's the play that NFLN kept showing over and over.


Yeah, I brainfarted that one. Don't know why I was thinking Jacobs wasn't back there at that point in the season.
RE: Not sure I get the exciement over this signing.  
speedywheels : 4/2/2014 11:47 am : link
In comment 11600508 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I do like that he was a former highly-graded, first round draft pick, and perhaps a change of scenery will be a positive for him, but his NFL production thus far speaks for itself.. mediocre at best.


LOL - FEK is trying to take the contrarian role away from Radar. It's fucking depth, dude. Go back to wondering about the speed of a plane hitting the ocean...
Meh  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/2/2014 11:49 am : link
one less job for a young player.
I like!  
D HOS : 4/2/2014 11:51 am : link
Called it. He's not a super star, not even a full time 3 down starter. He is excellent depth and a good rotational player who I imagine wants to be a starter so he's motivated. And he's an experienced veteran who's been to a super bowl. Plus he's still a young guy who might be able to improve to be a starter.
RE: Meh  
YAJ2112 : 4/2/2014 11:52 am : link
In comment 11600713 Steve in South Jersey said:
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one less job for a young player.


Or one less hole that we need to fill with a young player.
RE: Meh  
Mason : 4/2/2014 11:54 am : link
In comment 11600713 Steve in South Jersey said:
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one less job for a young player.


I think he will be rotating a lot with Moore. I just get the feeling Perry will be using Moore as a situational pass rusher.
RE: Did Spencer sign anywhere?  
Pete in MD : 4/2/2014 11:57 am : link
In comment 11600681 KJG5173 said:
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I haven't heard any news on that front after he left. Looks like he is still unsigned and didn't have many visits. I know it's thought he was used for the kiwi paycut. But adding him would be stellar, I don't think this signing or spencer would hinder Moore at all. Just depth and insurance. Would like to see Spencer on a nice 2-3 year deal

I think there is still concern over Spencer's health. Microfracture knee surgery usually isn't easy to come back from (just ask Kenny Phillips) and Spencer is on the wrong side of 30.
RE: Meh  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/2/2014 11:59 am : link
In comment 11600713 Steve in South Jersey said:
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one less job for a young player.


Well, they have Moore. You do need experience in your position depth.
If his play mirrors Kiwanuka  
RetroJint : 4/2/2014 11:59 am : link
would you people be happy ? Most of you wanted Kiwi out. Ayer's contact will probably fall between the one Kiwanuka received after the mandatory (to stay) pay cut and the one Tuck got from the Raiders. I like taking guys from teams who just concluded successful seasons. Both their starters and promising depth. Ayers never became the player people like Kiper thought he was going to be when he left Tenny, but he can help the Giants.
I like this move...  
Damon : 4/2/2014 12:04 pm : link
Solid against the run. Durable. Highly touted out of college. Didn't produce quickly because they Kiwi'd him. LB/DE/LB.. But he's still young and he can slide inside on passing downs. Reese is killing it.
RE: Remember some of the knuckleheads here  
Upstate_Giants_fan : 4/2/2014 12:08 pm : link
In comment 11600474 Jay on the Island said:
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on the first day of free agency that were flipping out because Reese wasn't doing anything? I hope they are happy after 23 signings.

They'll never be happy.
Oh hot damn, this is my jam, keep it rocking' 'till the AM, y'all  
Anakim : 4/2/2014 12:12 pm : link
don't understand, make me throw my hands in the AYERS, AYERS, AYERS
RE: Remember some of the knuckleheads here  
speedywheels : 4/2/2014 12:18 pm : link
In comment 11600474 Jay on the Island said:
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on the first day of free agency that were flipping out because Reese wasn't doing anything? I hope they are happy after 23 signings.


Nah - I'm still preparing for a bad season...
He's a rich man's Adewale Ojomo  
SB : 4/2/2014 12:32 pm : link
...and he doesn't solicitit prostitutes!
THE  
old man : 4/2/2014 12:59 pm : link
Ayers-apparent to Tuck.
.  
Anakim : 4/2/2014 1:12 pm : link
Big Blue United ‏@InReeseWeTrust 6m
DE Robert Ayers is expected to receive $1.75 mill guaranteed on his 2 year deal with the Giants #bbuchat
With this signing  
nicky43 : 4/2/2014 1:13 pm : link
I sure hope we go O-Line in the draft for 1st round. I'm very pleased with the moves this off season but we still need 2 starters on the O-line and a great blocking TE for me to feel good about the O. I'm fine with the D now.
Sounds like  
BigBluePrestige : 4/2/2014 1:20 pm : link
we got another good deal.
RE: Meh  
Great White Ghost : 4/2/2014 1:37 pm : link
In comment 11600713 Steve in South Jersey said:
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one less job for a young player.
What the fuck is wrong with these people....
Good signing  
oldmanTom : 4/2/2014 1:40 pm : link
I see Ayres as basically a 2 year stop gap which allows Moore and a 2014 draftee to develop. He's good against the run, durable, and has experience at all the DL positions. If JPP returns to his 2011 form we'll see Ayres sack totals increase.
It's really hard to believe what the defensive line room is going to  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/2/2014 1:45 pm : link
look like. JPP is the longest-tenured Giant.

Thankfully, Cullen Jenkins seems like a leader-type.
RE: RE: Meh  
OC : 4/2/2014 1:55 pm : link
In comment 11600998 Great White Ghost said:
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one less job for a young player.

What the fuck is wrong with

these people....


Good question.
Ole JM  
OC : 4/2/2014 1:56 pm : link
Musta put his foot up JR's ass knee deep.
I readily admit to my skepticism about Ayers...  
Pete in CO : 4/2/2014 2:49 pm : link
...since he underwhelmed during his time in Denver. Time will tell, and I certainly hope I am wrong about Mr Ayers.
All these signings seem to indicate a push for skill positions on O in the draft. Fine by me...
Ayers' signing does seem to create a more solid defense by committee. I just can't see him as an outright starter, though. Again, I hope I'm wrong, and that he makes the most of his opportunities in NY. If D'Moore is to get on the field, he will now compete w Ayers, an experienced player. Nothing bad comes from healthy competition...
I agree with this, Pete:  
Klaatu : 4/2/2014 2:57 pm : link
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All these signings seem to indicate a push for skill positions on O in the draft. Fine by me...


WR, TE, we could use them, along with some more O-Line help.

As for Ayers, it's depth, depth, and more depth, and a little more quality depth than we've been used to, and the price was right. Sure, he's been an underachiever and never lived up to his draft status, but it's not like we're asking him to be the savior of the defense or anything.
You need to rotate DLine  
Blue Blood : 4/2/2014 2:57 pm : link
to keep them fresh.. period.. Ayers allows you to do that.. plus he is a guy that can play inside or outside.. left or right..
5.5 sacks  
Reale01 : 4/2/2014 3:44 pm : link
Is more than any of our returning players had last year. I know he is not a pass rush specialist but he can get there at times. Also it is pretty difficult for a 3-4 end to be a great pass rusher. Usually they are clearing the way for the OLBs.
RE: It's really hard to believe what the defensive line room is going to  
Enoch : 4/2/2014 3:45 pm : link
In comment 11601020 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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look like. JPP is the longest-tenured Giant.


Kiwanuka?
G_W_G and OC:  
old man : 4/2/2014 3:48 pm : link
Very few spots are guaranteed at any string; it's about veteran depth first, then camp competition.
If the kids want it, they'll have to earn it.
Let the best man win.

We DID have 29 FAs; I don't think we were going to go picking a bunch of young guys off other teams PS and holding open player tryouts just to get young.

Only guarantee for Ayers is 1.75M.
RE: RE: It's really hard to believe what the defensive line room is going to  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/2/2014 4:26 pm : link
In comment 11601223 Enoch said:
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look like. JPP is the longest-tenured Giant.




Kiwanuka?


I didn't even think of him.
Giants really positioning themselves to go BPA  
GmenDynasty : 4/2/2014 5:05 pm : link
this draft. I don't love the OL but it looks like it will be significantly better than last years (if some of these guys are healthy). But I do think with the talent we can still get in the second round we aren't pigeon holed into drafting an OL @ 12.
Enoch,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/2/2014 5:16 pm : link
TTH is correct. We pay no heed to Kiwi..:)
Ayers will generate a lot more pash rush  
nyynyg : 4/2/2014 6:13 pm : link
when we Donald shooting gaps up the middle and breaking down the pocket. just one man's theory.
Ayers is a pretty good signing...  
Jimmy Googs : 4/2/2014 6:15 pm : link
Decent pass rusher last year, but seems to be very solid against the run which helps since Tuck was too.

Ayers will be strong camp competition for Kiwi, and my guess is he takes over one of the starting DE positions because he plays the run better.

But if Kiwi picks up his game and keeps his spot, then that is just as good. Although I would imagine he and Moore become the rotational guys.

Probably allows Reese to skip DE in the draft now...
keep in mind people  
alligatorpie : 4/2/2014 6:56 pm : link
demontre moore is 6'5" but only listed as 250lbs.

at that height, as an NFC East defensive end, that is very effing skinny.

not sure how to use moore actually.

some of these OTs are athletic at 330 lbs...and moore is not super quick either. that's an 80lb spread.
RE: RE: Meh  
stillpoe : 4/2/2014 6:56 pm : link
In comment 11600998 Great White Ghost said:
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In comment 11600713 Steve in South Jersey said:


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one less job for a young player.

What the fuck is wrong with these people....


LOL - seriously. Had the Giants decided not to sign him and address DE depth via the draft, you would have the same people saying "great - one more unproven young player/project". People are never satisfied.

It's a DEPTH SIGNING, folks! He may turn out to outplay his contract, or he can just be an unspectacular, yet solid addition. They signed a relatively young, once-highly touted player to a decent deal. What's not to like? Did I miss the part where JJ Watt was available and interested to sign with us for a cheap multi-year deal?
What are we getting in Ayres?  
oldmanTom : 4/2/2014 7:25 pm : link
We know his first 2 years were a waste since the Broncos tried converting him to a LB. Last year was only his third season as a DE. He had 5.5 sacks last year (his most in any year). He's strong against the run. I'm wondering if his low sack numbers were due to playing mostly on 1st and 2nd downs. Also I wonder what his percentage of sacks were vs. number of times on the field.
Gil Brandt just said that the Giants had a "great" offseason  
Reese's Pieces : 4/2/2014 7:42 pm : link
and picked his own Cowboys to finish last in the division.

There was a time when that would be a pretty good endorsement. Hope that "The Godfather" still has all his marbles at age 81.
Funny (if you know rap music)  
Giantmaniac616 : 4/2/2014 8:16 pm : link
This dude looks just a huge Young Buck, from G-Unit.. lol
RE: Funny (if you know rap music)  
Giantmaniac616 : 4/2/2014 8:19 pm : link
In comment 11601688 Giantmaniac616 said:
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This dude looks just like a huge Young Buck, from G-Unit.. lol
Well its been done once already but could bear repeating:  
BlueLou : 4/3/2014 3:45 am : link
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It's really hard to believe what the defensive line room is going to
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/2/2014 1:45 pm : link : reply
look like. JPP is the longest-tenured Giant.


Yeah Kiwi, and inside the locker room he's often been mentioned - even moreso than Tuck - as a mentor to the young DE's we've brought in the last few years. Kiwi is apparently a GREAT locker room guy, and that's important too.

I like this move because it's so damn managerial. You get a guy for half of what Tuck would have cost to retain for another 2 years; while at the same time projecting forward you see Tuck's performance likely declining due to age and accumulated injuries, and Ayers' performance possibly ascending depending perhaps on how his role is defined with the Giants. Ayers is coming off his best year as a pro, and in only part time snaps to boot...

Looks like a very solid value oriented move with little risk re guaranteed pay.
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