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In my opinion CJ Fiedorowicz is very underrated.

scott in albany : 4/2/2014 12:14 pm
Of all the top TE's in the draft Cj is by far the best blocker. It's not even close. He not only stands players up, he drives them backwards. CJ can block DE"s. You can use him on the goal line. He is a NFL ready blocker.

He is underrated as a pass catcher. HE has good hands,runs good routes and is sneaky fast. He can stretch the field. He can run the 30 yard seam pass. Good red zone target.

At the combine CJ put up numbers that match or beat all TE's except for ebron.He had the best 3 cone drill 7.10, which is outstanding for his size.

This is the TE i want the giants to draft.
He's very stiff  
robbieballs2003 : 4/2/2014 12:18 pm : link
He would be a good player in our old system. The problem is that we don't know what the Giants are looking for at TE. We, or at least most of us, think that we are going to go with more of an athletic TE that is more polished and creates matchup problems in the passing game. If we still have the same opinion of TEs then CJ would be a nice get. The only problem is that everybody thinks we can get this guy in the 4th round. I don't see that happening as I see about a handful of decent TEs and then there is a huge drop off. If you don't get one of the top TEs early then you probably aren't getting anything more than a project later. You also cannot risk waiting until the 4th to get him.
Robbie  
scott in albany : 4/2/2014 12:22 pm : link
I think CJ is going to get drafted earlier then people think. He is not stiff. The guy can play. He does everything well.
per Mayock  
Del Shofner : 4/2/2014 12:25 pm : link
"Strengths - Has outstanding size and big hands. Has size to widen the hole or seal defensive ends. Good balance and body control for his size. Surprising lower-body flexibility to sink his hips to run sharp-angle routes. Has stature and enough speed to threaten the seam. Understands how to use his frame and physicality to create subtle separation. Makes athletic hands catches off his frame. Sizable catch radius. Shows toughness and concentration in traffic. Lowers his shoulder to deliver a blow after the catch. Can line up in-line or split out. Smart and durable.

Weaknesses - Builds to average speed. Fairly straight-linish athlete. Not elusive after the catch. Can improve as a move blocker and develop more of a mean streak to finish blocks. Average production. Could stand to adopt a more blue-collar work ethic when people aren’t watching -- is not a self-starter and has been able to cruise on his rare size and natural ability."

Most projections have him as either 3rd or 4th round.
RE: Robbie  
robbieballs2003 : 4/2/2014 12:28 pm : link
In comment 11600806 scott in albany said:
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I think CJ is going to get drafted earlier then people think. He is not stiff. The guy can play. He does everything well.


When I say he is stiff I mean he doesn't have that wiggle to make people miss. He is not going to really make defenders back off of him in the passing game. However, I don't mean that as a negative. When I say he is very stiff I am basically saying he is no Ebron or any of the smaller, split TEs. He is going to be a big target, who can run a little. But, once he gets going in one directions he isn't going to make anybody miss. He will just run through you. That can be viewed as a positive.

I agree that he will go earlier than people expect (possibly the second round) and I see a little resemblance to Gronk in him. Gronk is stiff, imo, but is still a tremendous athlete at the position.
Gronkowski has some success  
oipolloi : 4/2/2014 12:28 pm : link
and now everybody wants a Polish TE

j/k

CJ's measureables are actually comparable to Gronk's.

Although it is very hard to predict later round picks, I would not be surprised to see the Giants take CJ. Especially if he is there in the 4th. Not sure if they take him with a third rounder.

He is a remarkable and versatile athlete  
PeterS : 4/2/2014 12:29 pm : link
Having played multiple positions in HS in addition to being his HS's career basketball scorer.

Is he Jimmy Graham - no but he's not Jake Ballard either.

He has really good hands and is arguably the top in-line blocking TE in the draft. Hawkeyes just didn't throw the ball his way as much as they should have.
Scott  
Rjanyg : 4/2/2014 12:31 pm : link
I like him as well. I think the value is there for the 4th round. Not sure if he will be there but he has the size and ability to plug him in right away. I wish he ran people over more. Seems to go down on first contact. Other than that I think his is a perfect 2 way TE.
if we want him we'll have to take him in the 3rd round (assuming he's  
Del Shofner : 4/2/2014 12:32 pm : link
still there then) - don't think he'll last to the 4th round. Early 3rd round where we are seems about right.
From what I've seen I like him a lot  
mfsd : 4/2/2014 12:33 pm : link
in round 3 maybe, or 4 if he gets that far
Robbie  
scott in albany : 4/2/2014 12:35 pm : link
Got it. I agree he is not going fake people out in the open field. But thats OK.
He's linear...not sudden, elusive or explosive  
raever : 4/2/2014 12:38 pm : link
..and I like him. He plays a solid game. Big target, plus blocker, soft hands. Why I don't think he's underrated is he isn't a dynamic athlete and doesn't play like one. Catches mostly underneath stuff and I question whether he's going to beat LB's up the seam at the next level. Late third early fourth round for me.
From the crew at DraftNasty.  
Klaatu : 4/2/2014 12:40 pm : link
(3rd Round Grade)

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Time to get NASTY (Our Summary)...

Fiedorowicz may not get the attention of the other tight ends in this year's class, but he moves extremely well at 6-foot-5, 265 pounds. His case is reminiscent of when former Virginia tight end Heath Miller came out of school in 2005. Like Miller, CJ may not generate the buzz of the other tight ends because he simply didn't get as many touches or stretch the seams deep in the secondary. In the NFL, we feel he has a chance -like Miller- to be a box-out third down threat who will keep the chains moving. He's the best blocker in this year's class, and his experience in this facet under former NFL and Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz will prove valuable in his NFL transition.
IMO we really missed having a TE that can block last year  
mfsd : 4/2/2014 12:41 pm : link
that's where Bennett was better than we expected. If we want to go for the home run type guy with Ebron in Rd 1, we better also find a TE who can block too somewhere
IMO this is the TE  
Blue Blood : 4/2/2014 12:43 pm : link
the Giants will go for.. him or Arthur Lynch.. I dont see Ebron over a quality OT or WR..
Del  
scott in albany : 4/2/2014 12:44 pm : link
Thats what i was thinking, early 3rd. I tell you what, look at amaros combine numbers and compare them to CJ. Amaro can not block like cj and he was used a lot more in the passing game than CJ. Amaro is a 2nd rd pick in most mocks and i can not say he is better player than CJ.
I want a  
AnishPatel : 4/2/2014 12:51 pm : link
TE who can create mismatches and be a weapon. Not a glorified OL prospect, who can catch passes every once in a while. Now that the old system is canned, I am hoping that Ben M. gets a TE who can be a weapon for us.
I'd like CJ in the third  
Ira : 4/2/2014 12:52 pm : link
He's a very good blocker and an ok receiver. He'd be an immediate upgrade in that position.
klaatu great find  
scott in albany : 4/2/2014 12:52 pm : link
That backs up what i am seeing. CJ is a sneaky good receiver and the best blocking Te in the draft.
RE: Del  
robbieballs2003 : 4/2/2014 12:58 pm : link
In comment 11600865 scott in albany said:
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Thats what i was thinking, early 3rd. I tell you what, look at amaros combine numbers and compare them to CJ. Amaro can not block like cj and he was used a lot more in the passing game than CJ. Amaro is a 2nd rd pick in most mocks and i can not say he is better player than CJ.


Scott, I can. I love Amaro. You cannot say that CJ was not used in the pass game that often and expect him to do that but then discredit Amaro because he wasn't asked to block a lot. Amaro, himself, said that he has done whatever the coaching staff asked of him. He did block as an inline blocker prior to this year. The coach asked him if he would be open to splitting out wide more and he said yeah. He can block but he is going to have to work on it too. However, if you watch him block DBs I don't think there is a better stalk blocker in this draft than Amaro. He destroys CB and S as well as LBs too. He is a nasty player who gives it his all every play. I love his style of play.
Ideally the Giants would like a TE with more offensive impact...  
raever : 4/2/2014 12:58 pm : link
than CJF would provide imo. That said I'm not a fan of Jenkins and prefer several prospects to Ebron @12.

The wildcard for me is Niklas in Round 2. I've been waiting to hear if he'll be running again before the draft. He wasn't at full speed for the Combine and skipped ND's Pro Day after his hernia surgery. I like what I see on tape. If he could confirm his speed in a positive way he becomes a real contender for me #43.

The measureables are there as far as size/weight/length. He's more of a playmaker up the field than CJF. He's a plus blocker. IMO could wind up as the best TE out of this class when all is said and done.
RE: I want a  
mfsd : 4/2/2014 12:59 pm : link
In comment 11600877 AnishPatel said:
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TE who can create mismatches and be a weapon. Not a glorified OL prospect, who can catch passes every once in a while. Now that the old system is canned, I am hoping that Ben M. gets a TE who can be a weapon for us.


Anish - do you like Ebron at 12? I'm really not sure - if he's going to be Jimmy Graham or Vernon Davis, of course I do
Anish  
scott in albany : 4/2/2014 12:59 pm : link
I guess your not big on the running game. Big play guy. Ebron is your man.
Scott  
robbieballs2003 : 4/2/2014 1:00 pm : link
sorry, you weren't the one who said that CJ can catch even though he wasn't used in the pass game a lot.
RE: Anish  
AnishPatel : 4/2/2014 1:05 pm : link
In comment 11600897 scott in albany said:
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I guess your not big on the running game. Big play guy. Ebron is your man.


Why are we not allowed to be successful without a run blocking TE? Why not have our TE, who can be a threat, arc release and block a backer or safety? Why does he have to only block a DE?

I'd have him shiver at line and block 2nd level flow or 3rd level safety. I'd like to run the ball, god knows we suck at it. However, you still accomplish that AND get a TE who can be highly productive in the passing game.

RE: klaatu great find  
Klaatu : 4/2/2014 1:06 pm : link
In comment 11600882 scott in albany said:
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That backs up what i am seeing. CJ is a sneaky good receiver and the best blocking Te in the draft.


Even though DraftNasty rates Fiedorowicz a bit higher than Amaro, like Robbie I would rather draft Amaro (which is something of a pipe dream). I think his ceiling is much higher, frankly, and when I watched him destroy WVU I was sold. He reminded me of Jason Witten in that game.
Niklas intrigues me as well  
Torrag : 4/2/2014 1:07 pm : link
He's kind of a combo of Ebron and Fiedorowicz. He's an athletic guy with prototypical size that threatens the entire field and he blocks well. Has only the one year on his resume and is fairly new to the position. Upside is significant. I could see the Giants liking him in Round 2.
RE: RE: I want a  
AnishPatel : 4/2/2014 1:07 pm : link
In comment 11600895 mfsd said:
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In comment 11600877 AnishPatel said:


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TE who can create mismatches and be a weapon. Not a glorified OL prospect, who can catch passes every once in a while. Now that the old system is canned, I am hoping that Ben M. gets a TE who can be a weapon for us.



Anish - do you like Ebron at 12? I'm really not sure - if he's going to be Jimmy Graham or Vernon Davis, of course I do


If and only if we don't go Lewan or Martin, who I want before Ebron. If not, then I been on the Ebron train. I'd settle for a Shockey early years.

Let's see what Ben M. would do and how he would use Ebron. But that's all extra, I'd go OL with lewan or martin who I think should help the OL big time.
RE: I'd like CJ in the third  
jeff57 : 4/2/2014 1:07 pm : link
In comment 11600881 Ira said:
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He's a very good blocker and an ok receiver. He'd be an immediate upgrade in that position.


Agree.
robbie  
scott in albany : 4/2/2014 1:09 pm : link
my post was a little confusing. No problem. The point i was trying to make is that i think amaro and cj are at the same level.
PeterS  
Milton : 4/2/2014 1:14 pm : link
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Is he Jimmy Graham - no but he's not Jake Ballard either.
That's quite the indictment. Neither the athlete that Graham is nor the achiever that Ballard is. So what the fuck does that make him? Completely useless?

p.s.-- Ballard was good enough that Belichick signed him off waivers knowing he would spend the year on IR and Coughlin threw a temper tantrum when he left. The Giants would be happy to draft someone with Ballard's potential!
In my opinion  
GMEN BALLIN 94 : 4/2/2014 1:23 pm : link
He is slow and gets tackled easily by guys who are well under his size. Watched film on him and I don't think I saw one tackle broken ..... Pass.
I think  
Amtoft : 4/2/2014 1:43 pm : link
AC Leonard is going to be drafted before a lot of these TEs. He is in the perfect mold of Jordan Reed and Hernandez. Teams will be looking for this type of TE and I am not sold that CJ is a better blocker than Niklas who I also think is a better receiver.
TE  
stretch234 : 4/2/2014 2:58 pm : link
I think he would be excellent if the Giants can get him.

We see so much about creating match-up problems. But really outside of Graham, Davis and Thomas, who is really doing this.

T. Gonzolez last 5 years never avg more than 10.9 per catch, but caught 80+ passes every year.

Witten has a career 11.1 ypc and never had over 11.9, but catches 90 passes per year

Gates has had the worst 2 years in terms of YPC his last 2 but has catch 130 passes

Greg Olsen who is pretty athletic has a career YPC lower than Witten

The majority of TE are in the 11-11.9 range of YPC and many of them are not athletic wonders wonders who cause match up problems. The middle of the field is open to all TE's
RE: In my opinion  
Milton : 4/2/2014 2:58 pm : link
In comment 11600971 GMEN BALLIN 94 said:
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He is slow and gets tackled easily by guys who are well under his size. Watched film on him and I don't think I saw one tackle broken ..... Pass.

That echoes what Boylhart had to say...
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CJ has to get stronger so he can block better and break tackles to make yards after the catch. Right now he catches the ball and because he lacks quick feet and balance and goes down right away. He is easy to tackle and that’s not good for a tight end with his lack of speed.
I agree  
giantfanboy : 4/2/2014 3:33 pm : link
i think he goes much higher
alot of NFL has met with him..
7.10 seconds 3 cone,  
bob in tx : 4/2/2014 3:47 pm : link
best among all TEs at the combine.
Draft  
Reale01 : 4/2/2014 4:04 pm : link
Round one OL or WR (Evans if there)
Round two WR or OL (if WR in first)
Round three TE (CJ)or C
Round four TE or RB
5 and 6 BPA

let's keep running through all the TE's  
BigBlueCane : 4/2/2014 4:06 pm : link
so we can avoid having to accept the idea of Ebron is the pick.
RE: PeterS  
PeterS : 4/2/2014 6:10 pm : link
In comment 11600943 Milton said:
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Is he Jimmy Graham - no but he's not Jake Ballard either.

That's quite the indictment. Neither the athlete that Graham is nor the achiever that Ballard is. So what the fuck does that make him? Completely useless?

p.s.-- Ballard was good enough that Belichick signed him off waivers knowing he would spend the year on IR and Coughlin threw a temper tantrum when he left. The Giants would be happy to draft someone with Ballard's potential!

I meant in terms of athleticism. I thought it was obvious. Apparently it was not.
RE: let's keep running through all the TE's  
Klaatu : 4/2/2014 6:16 pm : link
In comment 11601249 BigBlueCane said:
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so we can avoid having to accept the idea of Ebron is the pick.


Great idea!

So...ummm...XAVIER GRIMBLE! The X-MAN!



Ruh Roh...
I know what you meant...  
Milton : 4/2/2014 6:17 pm : link
...but Jake Ballard made some pretty athletic catches for the Giants and doesn't deserve to be used as the butt-end of a comparison. The Giants would love to have a healthy version of Jake Ballard back as their starter.
If the Giants don't tske CJ I predict the Pats will  
Blue21 : 4/2/2014 6:48 pm : link
.
I don't think he's stiff  
Neverend : 4/2/2014 7:09 pm : link
he's just not quick. In one of the draftbreakdown videos I saw him a great underneath route where he sank his hips and got separation. I think he can run breaking routes at a high level although I understand the arguments against his athleticism. Its legit. I'd be thrilled with this guy in the 3rd
from what you guys say CJF sounds like a player that would help the  
alligatorpie : 4/2/2014 7:12 pm : link
team,

I could seriously see the drafting of 2 or more tight ends, a classic like CJF and one of the flashy offensive ones as well, assuming that the later can at least block some or is a great enough athlete to invest time into.

I leave it up to y'all to sort out the who is who.
RE: RE: let's keep running through all the TE's  
Amtoft : 4/2/2014 7:16 pm : link
In comment 11601505 Klaatu said:
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In comment 11601249 BigBlueCane said:


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so we can avoid having to accept the idea of Ebron is the pick.



Great idea!

So...ummm...XAVIER GRIMBLE! The X-MAN!



Ruh Roh...


Grimble is horrible... Please pass on him.
Klaatu  
Marty866b : 4/2/2014 8:35 pm : link
The X-man should have stayed another year in school. Decent blocker who should have been better at that. Raw receiver without much quickness or speed. I think he'll go 6-7th round.
Yeah...like I'm really shilling for Grimble.  
Klaatu : 4/2/2014 8:52 pm : link
Man, I hate having to explain the jokes.
I'd be happy with...  
ForzaNapoli NYG : 4/2/2014 9:54 pm : link
BPA -round 1 (hoping for Donald or Matthews)

Amaro, Niklas, or CJF in the 2 or 3rd depending on what falls to you at in the second round. If there is a receiver we like a lot I say go receiver and draft CJF in the 3rd. If they are high on Amaro and Niklas and either is there then draft them in the second and go WR in the 3rd.
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