Love it because he wouldn't be relied on as a starter. We'd have a ridiculous 3-headed monster. Don't think it would happen but he wouldn't be expensive and he still has speed. I wouldn't be upset at all.
I believe that he is going to get more than we can give
Love it because he wouldn't be relied on as a starter. We'd have a ridiculous 3-headed monster. Don't think it would happen but he wouldn't be expensive and he still has speed. I wouldn't be upset at all.
Why do you think he wouldn't be that expensive? He's still going to get paid damn good money, just not the 8 million he was slated to make
a flyer on him and bring him in. If Screens are going to be a big part of BM's system, then Wilson, Jennings, and CK would be pretty damn interesting. He doesn't have to be the main guy, but we'd add speed to this offense which needs it big time.
He might well be a change of pace back at this point of his career, a guy who can still get a big run here and there, but his days as a real home run hitter at RB are over.
That said, I wonder if the Giants would look to sign him as insurance if Wilson simply doesn't come back from that neck injury. And he also could be a good mentor for Wilson, show him how to be a successful RB in the NFL even though he's considered undersized.
10 total tds. 4 yards per carry and he has been stuck behind one of the least talented offenses in all of football, especially last season. And he's still under 2000 carries for his career. Rarely gets hurt and rarely misses games. He's not done.
I like the speed he would add to this offense. Let the so called bell cow be Jennings, and have Wilson and Johnson add the speed element. We would run a lot of screens so if we can add explosive play making ability to our offense then let's do it. Take a flyer and see what Johnson can do.
I would love to have CJ.. I've always liked him and I think if you pair him with a tougher dude like Jennings, you could have a really nice backfield. I just feel like it would be really hard to fit him under the cap at this point.
If the Jets have real interest, I can't see them letting the Giants beat them out on another FA.. it would be really, really bad and Woody always wants the backpage shit. I could def see them really overpaying.
Price, sure. Who know's if Wilson will be ready, bring him in on a 1 year deal and we can take it slow with Wilson. Would bring last years weakness to a strength this year.
over Wilson early on but fumbles aside, the poor guy may be one hard shot away from retirement. We need to find a new explosive runner who can be counted on.
Forget all this 'for a cheap contract' and 'for the right price' stuff
I'd be willing to slightly over pay for Chris Johnson. I recall either Reese or one of the coaches say they wanted to have a faster, more explosive team. A backfield of Johnson and Jennings would arguably be the best in the league. If you can get a talent like Johnson... you get it in my opinion. Sign me up for this.
the Giants taking this clown unless he pulls that damn grill out of his teeth. And dresses likes a professional. I can't believe Chris Johnson is Coughlin's type of player.
I'd be willing to slightly over pay for Chris Johnson. I recall either Reese or one of the coaches say they wanted to have a faster, more explosive team. A backfield of Johnson and Jennings would arguably be the best in the league. If you can get a talent like Johnson... you get it in my opinion. Sign me up for this.
Which I do. Hard to think of a better trio if Wilson returns as well.
By the way, Coughlin just said to Vacchiano (sp?) that he's cautiously counting on Wilson this coming season. And I forgot to mention, like arc.. I don't see this having a snowball's chance of happening. But I'd love it if it did.
And Jennings isnt exactly a bell cow stud rb. Maybe he can be. Johnson would come in and solidify the position. I'd offer him a nice one year deal with some good guaranteed loot. Take a shot for a year. We have the cap space.
When you look at the positives and the negatives, the negatives weigh too much.
Negative #1: He will cost in the millions to sign. Even if it was as little as $3M, that's still a lot.
Negative #2: The Giants have two young backs whom they've already invested a lot of money (Jennings) and a 1st round pick (Wilson). And they have a cheap, all-purpose veteran (Hillis) signed for two years who proved he can still be productive.
Negative #3: Johnson's former Pro Bowl production isn't guaranteed. He averaged a pedestrian 3.9 ypc last year compared to Jennings's 4.5 ypc.
Negative #4: He turns 29 in September and has logged a lot of miles on those knees.
How could you guys not want CJ if Reese could swing it. There is a definite chance Wilson does not make it back too. Chris Johnson and people are scoffing at it...wow. Guess we went 12-4 last year with the leagues top running game...
Jennings/CJ wouldn't be a top half of the NFL backfield
and I'm not sure if CJ is either running out of gas or if he just got tired of playing in Tennessee (probably the former). I'd kick the tires only if Wilson can't come back this year
This would be the caper for an outstanding offseason. Get it done. Dynamic, game changing running back, who is a threat to take it to the house every time he touches the ball. It's a no brainer. Get it done! It would make the offense unstoppable.
(He) is a threat to take it to the house every time he touches the ball.
In 279 carries, his longest run from scrimmage last year was 30 yards and he only had 5 carries of 20+ yards. Some threat to take it to the house every time he touches the ball.
With 163 carries, Jennings longest run was 80 yards and he had 4 carries of 20+ yards.
I didn't really like the way they used CJ last year. He'd have series' where he'd carry the ball a few times for some solid gains and look good and then they'd take him out of the game when they'd get into the RZ.
I thought he actually ran well, though. He didn't bust off all of those home runs that he had been in years past.. but he ran a little tougher and wasn't so averse to contact. I thought he toughened up a bit and was a little more assertive.
He would be a really nice complimentary back to Jennings. I think Wilson would be too.. it's just that Wilson's status is still kind of up in the air and having all 3 of these guys would be really nice.
Still don't see it being realistic.. but I'd be really happy if it happened.
But please rethink or at least re-examine the notion that Peyton Hillis' presence on the roster is a valid argument against signing CJ! I don't buy that for a NY second.
I would be all for signing Chris Johnson. Jennings is going to be "the guy" anyway. And I'm sure the Giants would not invest in him if they didn't think he could contribute. Please with the "oh no I hate this" stuff. Like you have gained some secret inside info on the guy the Giants don't know about from your living room recliner.
A backfield of Jennings and Johnson would be great. Let the Giants worry about whether or not he's still got anything left or if he's serious about football. If they sign him you have your answer. At that point just sit back and enjoy the show.
Reese has done a nice job not overpaying for anyone while creating depth and bringing in young talent. CJ has some mileage on him and could be costly. If he is downright released from the Titans it could be a bidding war.
Ask yourself this: Would you trade for CJ, overpay if released or draft Tre Mason in the 2nd round?
How can we have a conversation about affordability?
Of course you dont overpay for the guy but what do we know about how much he'd command outside of a trade? If the conversation is about whether or not Johnson makes this team better than its unequivocally yes. Obviously they aren't going to pay $8 million for him.
and has one more year in the league than LeSean McCoy (will be 26 when season starts). Running backs have almost no longevity in this league,, they truly play for a second contract and that is it. In a year from now, will the Eagles be doing to McCoy what they did to Jackson.
He's not a long shot. It's either he is cleared to play or he isn't. If he is cleared to play he has shown he can be a dynamic player. He ran behind the worst offensive line in football and he was a top 3 KR. Speed and toughness is not something you can teach. There's a reason he led the country in yards after contact
Simple thing to say about jc and it's not original my
Friend said it first to me. He might not be CJ2k but if he can be CJ1500 that's still pretty damn good. Also he can catch the ball out of the backfield very well.
Reese has done a nice job not overpaying for anyone while creating depth and bringing in young talent. CJ has some mileage on him and could be costly. If he is downright released from the Titans it could be a bidding war.
Ask yourself this: Would you trade for CJ, overpay if released or draft Tre Mason in the 2nd round?
I'd rather sign CJ and spend the 2nd rd pick on a position with more value/longevity.. like adding a piece to the OL or DL.
The thing is Jennings and Johnson lets you pound on the D wit a fresh back all game 1st, 2nd and 3rd... and Wilson then becomes the ultra fresh speed back in the 4th. If the money is done right it can be a good way to moved down in the 2nd or 3rd and get an extra pick or two. Its brings back the true RB by committee.
Not against it but don't really seeing all the chips fall the correct way. I think the Lions would be a better fit him ... then him be the #2 back and Bush gets spot specialty play duty that suits his style.
Couldn't disagree more. See arc's 12:34 am post as to why he hasn't had great stats the past few years (particularly last year).
Like I said before, I doubt there's a chance of this happening and the times I've been excited about adding any player to the team via FA have been far and few between... but for a player the caliber of Chris Johnson...that makes it move a lil bit.
with those knees of his, CJ won't be able to command huge money from anyone - maybe $1.5 million annually. As long as only a portion of that is guaranteed, that seems like a bargain, even if he's not as fast as he once was (and man, was he ever fast).
He'd make a terrific 3rd down back, scorching LBs on screens and outlets out of the backfield.
I'd love to have that guy on my team.
RE: RE: Jennings/CJ wouldn't be a top half of the NFL backfield
Couldn't disagree more. See arc's 12:34 am post as to why he hasn't had great stats the past few years (particularly last year).
Like I said before, I doubt there's a chance of this happening and the times I've been excited about adding any player to the team via FA have been far and few between... but for a player the caliber of Chris Johnson...that makes it move a lil bit.
A player of Chris Johnson's caliber? He's a bad NFL running back, and he's been bad. This is 2014, not 2010.
Perhaps he has one or two more years of quality football left, but you don't sign players based on hope, you sign based on probabilities or cost/benefit calculations. It's unlikely he does, and the benefits (small chance he's decent) doesn't outweigh the costs (his contract v. drafting a late round RB who is younger, healthier, hungrier).
Bad NFL RB's don't usually crack 1000 yards every season at 3.9 a clip.
He might not be the Chris Johnson of 2009 but I don't know how you can say he's "bad." He's still good. Its quite possible he'll want more than the Giants are willing to spend but he easily makes this team better.
I'd sign him, but I think he'll follow the most money.
It's a capped league, so you only have so many resources to fill out a team. We just signed a guy who I believe is a legit NFL starter and primed for a breakout season. I feel like last year was a bit of a breakout for him, but people still don't know a lot about Jennings. I think they will after this season. Spending the money that CJ1K would require just doesn't seem like a smart decision considering our circumstances at this point, IMO.
He's still a good player and a threat if he wants to be. For various reasons, he hasn't looked the same these past few seasons. He hasn't run as hard and he hasn't moved as quick. Part of it is the offense and the Oline in particular, but he deserves some of the criticism as well. He didn't look motivated these past 2 seasons(moreso 2 years ago) and he wasn't hitting holes hard and bursting. I think he might be able to regain some form with a new team and a new scenary though.
on a declining veteran RB. The fall in production tends to be fairly steep for older RB's, and Chris Johns will be 29 with over 2000 career touches around the beginning of the season. I think it would be a poor investment.
Couldn't disagree more. See arc's 12:34 am post as to why he hasn't had great stats the past few years (particularly last year).
Like I said before, I doubt there's a chance of this happening and the times I've been excited about adding any player to the team via FA have been far and few between... but for a player the caliber of Chris Johnson...that makes it move a lil bit.
A player of Chris Johnson's caliber? He's a bad NFL running back, and he's been bad. This is 2014, not 2010.
Perhaps he has one or two more years of quality football left, but you don't sign players based on hope, you sign based on probabilities or cost/benefit calculations. It's unlikely he does, and the benefits (small chance he's decent) doesn't outweigh the costs (his contract v. drafting a late round RB who is younger, healthier, hungrier).
Is he really a 'bad player' though? Or is he still a good player that was on a bad team with below-average QBs (thus I'd be he saw a bunch of 8 man fronts)...very few other weapons on the team besides a rookie WR in Wright and average 0-line play? You see a bad player...I see player that had another 1G yard season despite having a bottom-third talent all around him on offense.
I take back what I said about overpaying for him a lil bit because I no longer feel like that should be done but I'd still be very interested and happy if he were to sign here. With him now being released, I guess we'll see.
If the Giants could sign Johnson for the same money they are paying Hillis, I would sing a different tune; but Hillis (who is younger than Johnson) showed last year that he can be an effective short yardage runner who can also catch the ball out of the backfield. For a guy making near the vet minimum (and signed for two years), he represents good value as part of a "RB by Committee" approach.
I just don't see Johnson signing for the kind of money that would represent good value to the Giants.
would win a bidding war, and then there is the question of, would Johnson want to run behind this Oline, and be in a system, he, and in fact, the NY Giants, don't even know they have?
RE: I can't fathom how people watched Hillis last year and thought
he was anything but below replacement level waiver fodder.
What in the hell did people see? Was it some combination of having a known name + "punishing" (lol) style + white RB novelty?
Truly amazing. I saw a guy getting tough yards up the middle when none of the other guys could do anything with that crap O-line. And I saw a guy do a nice job of catching out of the backfield. Unfortunately I also saw a guy that fumbled more than we'd like.
For skill position players b/c they're white are those who look to dismiss them for the same reason.
Hillis won over the org with his effort and performance at a truly low point for the team last year and was deservedly given a chance to make this year's squad. No more no less.
Re: CJ:
2 factors:
Will his actual on field contribution warrant his paycheck?
Is he a team first team always guy?
He's still a good player and a threat if he wants to be. For various reasons, he hasn't looked the same these past few seasons. He hasn't run as hard and he hasn't moved as quick. Part of it is the offense and the Oline in particular, but he deserves some of the criticism as well. He didn't look motivated these past 2 seasons(moreso 2 years ago) and he wasn't hitting holes hard and bursting. I think he might be able to regain some form with a new team and a new scenary though.
Chris Johnson was even better two years ago than this past season.
Why do you think he wouldn't be that expensive? He's still going to get paid damn good money, just not the 8 million he was slated to make
would free the Giants up to draft Telvin Smith in rd 3!
That said, I wonder if the Giants would look to sign him as insurance if Wilson simply doesn't come back from that neck injury. And he also could be a good mentor for Wilson, show him how to be a successful RB in the NFL even though he's considered undersized.
Obviously, no. WTF is REece EVEN DOING?!?!?!?!
BTW, the space has already been accounted for by the Baas cut.
Cowboys? Aren't they like a billion dollars over the cap? Why would they be so likely?
That being said jennings and cj would be a great duo and would love to sign him for the right price
If the Jets have real interest, I can't see them letting the Giants beat them out on another FA.. it would be really, really bad and Woody always wants the backpage shit. I could def see them really overpaying.
His value has been in his home run ability, and that appears to have waned. Regardless of a poor offense, his line was actually pretty good, no?
If it's a one year vet minimum flier type of deal, than maybe, but I would not show him much more cash than that.
Best in the league? Not even close.
By the way, Coughlin just said to Vacchiano (sp?) that he's cautiously counting on Wilson this coming season. And I forgot to mention, like arc.. I don't see this having a snowball's chance of happening. But I'd love it if it did.
EVER !!
If someone is brought in, looked at and cut, then: NEXT!!!
Negative #1: He will cost in the millions to sign. Even if it was as little as $3M, that's still a lot.
Negative #2: The Giants have two young backs whom they've already invested a lot of money (Jennings) and a 1st round pick (Wilson). And they have a cheap, all-purpose veteran (Hillis) signed for two years who proved he can still be productive.
Negative #3: Johnson's former Pro Bowl production isn't guaranteed. He averaged a pedestrian 3.9 ypc last year compared to Jennings's 4.5 ypc.
Negative #4: He turns 29 in September and has logged a lot of miles on those knees.
With 163 carries, Jennings longest run was 80 yards and he had 4 carries of 20+ yards.
I could see both players willing to do that to fit in another potenital very good player.
Is not like Eli and Rolle are getting any younger. I could see them signing off on this.
I didn't really like the way they used CJ last year. He'd have series' where he'd carry the ball a few times for some solid gains and look good and then they'd take him out of the game when they'd get into the RZ.
I thought he actually ran well, though. He didn't bust off all of those home runs that he had been in years past.. but he ran a little tougher and wasn't so averse to contact. I thought he toughened up a bit and was a little more assertive.
He would be a really nice complimentary back to Jennings. I think Wilson would be too.. it's just that Wilson's status is still kind of up in the air and having all 3 of these guys would be really nice.
Still don't see it being realistic.. but I'd be really happy if it happened.
But please rethink or at least re-examine the notion that Peyton Hillis' presence on the roster is a valid argument against signing CJ! I don't buy that for a NY second.
Lono posting party pictures again...
I would seriously look at Johnson
I would be all for signing Chris Johnson. Jennings is going to be "the guy" anyway. And I'm sure the Giants would not invest in him if they didn't think he could contribute. Please with the "oh no I hate this" stuff. Like you have gained some secret inside info on the guy the Giants don't know about from your living room recliner.
A backfield of Jennings and Johnson would be great. Let the Giants worry about whether or not he's still got anything left or if he's serious about football. If they sign him you have your answer. At that point just sit back and enjoy the show.
Ask yourself this: Would you trade for CJ, overpay if released or draft Tre Mason in the 2nd round?
He's not a long shot. It's either he is cleared to play or he isn't. If he is cleared to play he has shown he can be a dynamic player. He ran behind the worst offensive line in football and he was a top 3 KR. Speed and toughness is not something you can teach. There's a reason he led the country in yards after contact
Ask yourself this: Would you trade for CJ, overpay if released or draft Tre Mason in the 2nd round?
I'd rather sign CJ and spend the 2nd rd pick on a position with more value/longevity.. like adding a piece to the OL or DL.
Not against it but don't really seeing all the chips fall the correct way. I think the Lions would be a better fit him ... then him be the #2 back and Bush gets spot specialty play duty that suits his style.
Jennings - Hillis - Wilson ??? it's not even much of an improvement over what we had last year
if we bring in Chris Johnson we will go from having a run of the mill backfield (at best) to a very good one
Couldn't disagree more. See arc's 12:34 am post as to why he hasn't had great stats the past few years (particularly last year).
Like I said before, I doubt there's a chance of this happening and the times I've been excited about adding any player to the team via FA have been far and few between... but for a player the caliber of Chris Johnson...that makes it move a lil bit.
He'd make a terrific 3rd down back, scorching LBs on screens and outlets out of the backfield.
I'd love to have that guy on my team.
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Couldn't disagree more. See arc's 12:34 am post as to why he hasn't had great stats the past few years (particularly last year).
Like I said before, I doubt there's a chance of this happening and the times I've been excited about adding any player to the team via FA have been far and few between... but for a player the caliber of Chris Johnson...that makes it move a lil bit.
A player of Chris Johnson's caliber? He's a bad NFL running back, and he's been bad. This is 2014, not 2010.
Perhaps he has one or two more years of quality football left, but you don't sign players based on hope, you sign based on probabilities or cost/benefit calculations. It's unlikely he does, and the benefits (small chance he's decent) doesn't outweigh the costs (his contract v. drafting a late round RB who is younger, healthier, hungrier).
He might not be the Chris Johnson of 2009 but I don't know how you can say he's "bad." He's still good. Its quite possible he'll want more than the Giants are willing to spend but he easily makes this team better.
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Couldn't disagree more. See arc's 12:34 am post as to why he hasn't had great stats the past few years (particularly last year).
Like I said before, I doubt there's a chance of this happening and the times I've been excited about adding any player to the team via FA have been far and few between... but for a player the caliber of Chris Johnson...that makes it move a lil bit.
A player of Chris Johnson's caliber? He's a bad NFL running back, and he's been bad. This is 2014, not 2010.
Perhaps he has one or two more years of quality football left, but you don't sign players based on hope, you sign based on probabilities or cost/benefit calculations. It's unlikely he does, and the benefits (small chance he's decent) doesn't outweigh the costs (his contract v. drafting a late round RB who is younger, healthier, hungrier).
Is he really a 'bad player' though? Or is he still a good player that was on a bad team with below-average QBs (thus I'd be he saw a bunch of 8 man fronts)...very few other weapons on the team besides a rookie WR in Wright and average 0-line play? You see a bad player...I see player that had another 1G yard season despite having a bottom-third talent all around him on offense.
I take back what I said about overpaying for him a lil bit because I no longer feel like that should be done but I'd still be very interested and happy if he were to sign here. With him now being released, I guess we'll see.
I just don't see Johnson signing for the kind of money that would represent good value to the Giants.
He'd make a terrific 3rd down back, scorching LBs on screens and outlets out of the backfield.
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The Titans disagree-- they regularly took Johnson off the field on 3rd downs last year, in favor of Jackie Battle. CJ is a pretty awful blocker.
and I question his heart a bit could be dead
wrong I hope Wilson comes back strong
What in the hell did people see? Was it some combination of having a known name + "punishing" (lol) style + white RB novelty?
3 huge ifs, one shitty post
What in the hell did people see? Was it some combination of having a known name + "punishing" (lol) style + white RB novelty?
Truly amazing. I saw a guy getting tough yards up the middle when none of the other guys could do anything with that crap O-line. And I saw a guy do a nice job of catching out of the backfield. Unfortunately I also saw a guy that fumbled more than we'd like.
Hillis won over the org with his effort and performance at a truly low point for the team last year and was deservedly given a chance to make this year's squad. No more no less.
Re: CJ:
2 factors:
Will his actual on field contribution warrant his paycheck?
Is he a team first team always guy?
Chris Johnson was even better two years ago than this past season.
He's a good player. If you could get this guy on a 1-2 year deal you would have to consider it.