If Lewan is available at 12 what should the giants do?

Draft him!

his worst season with a sieve-like line in front of him and you want to trade away a guy you called "a stud tackle"?

Many here are ready to anoint him as the next Anthony Munoz. His play this year was not that good. At the end of the year he was not a top 5 T. With various guys going back to school and Lewan looking good in shorts at the combine, he suddenly vaults up the board.

There are many out there who think Martin actually looks better at LT while watching tape.

I think drafting Lewan and just assuming that he is automatically the starting LT are premature

In comment 11607657 M.S. said:

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...I just don't understand your logic? The Giants are paper thin at offensive tackle and center. And it's not like we're trotting All-Stars out there at offensive guard. And you're asking what we should do if that animal Lewan is at there at 12??? There's only one thing to do. You take him... and that's exactly what the Giants are going to do. And you can bet the farm on that.

Better get ready for life in the city...the farm will be gone.

If Donald or Martin are sitting there, I'd take either one of them over Lewan.

it would be great if he were there and somebody else wanted him and we traded the pick. There are studs available into the 20's.

I misunderstood the skinny on Lewan. Doesn't he at best, project to ORT? if so, it would appear to me to be more prudent and draft a Zach Martin who apparently can play both T spots with equal aplomb, or virtually so and is more versatile than Lewan

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All this talk about Lewan, and 'cant miss' prospects..it just seems like people are taking that Mara quote and getting an awful lot of miles out of it.

They do need offensive line help, they need playmakers too. I'm certainly not betting the farm on Lewan.

In comment 11608684 Big Blue '56 said:

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I misunderstood the skinny on Lewan. Doesn't he at best, project to ORT? if so, it would appear to me to be more prudent and draft a Zach Martin who apparently can play both T spots with equal aplomb, or virtually so and is more versatile than Lewan

No, he's a LT. Could play RT, but unlike Martin, is not a fit at guard.

In comment 11607338 PatersonPlank said:

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I agree we would then have excellent bookend tackles (with Pugh) for the next 10 years.

well, he's the most important position on offense after the QB? Anybody willing to go into next season with Beatty again, and suggest we HAVE to play him, because of his contract, might as well forget all the sexy wide outs or the overrated TE Ebron at 12 - because if Beatty plays like last year, off a broken leg (very possible) they can have three megatrons, and Eli will look like Troy Aikman his rookie season. Anybody who wants to realize just how important an offensive line is, look at last years offense - then watch the "wall" feature on the IMHO greatest offensive line in the history of football, the JJ era Cowstains - who made all the "sexy" three become hall of fame players. Last year Lewan would of been the number 1 pick overall - and is still a franchise left tackle - with a mean streak. You pass on him, and the Giants go Ebron or Evans - they are not listening to Mara. This draft is LOADED with wide out talent - hell, the Giants can pick up Landry from LSU in the third round due to a slow 40 at the combines, and he can be the steal of the draft. It aint about speed at WR - it's about separation - and Landry gets it with smooth route running. Why take a WR so hight? And Ebron? A no blocking, dropping the ball tight end at 12? Please say it aint so.

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In comment 11608692 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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All this talk about Lewan, and 'cant miss' prospects..it just seems like people are taking that Mara quote and getting an awful lot of miles out of it. They do need offensive line help, they need playmakers too. I'm certainly not betting the farm on Lewan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cpIkjW-CY4

Wow, against the best DE prospect in the last 15 years?

He's a top franchise tackle - any scout worth anything realizes this. As far as playmakers - they are useless without an offensive line. Did you not watch last year - and I guess we got Geoff Schwartz and the line is 2007 again. Beatty is a decent soft finesse LT - for one year. Last year, he was probably the one person you can blame more then any other on the crap season we had. Robinson will be the best, but he needs a year to learn to pass block - but can be moved inside at guard. He is, BTW, the ONLY player I would trade up for - we need a franchise LT bad. Eli needs a wall - allows all to flow, and we can once again go play action, power run, and then - go vertical. Lewan at 12 is a no brainer - even more value then 3-4 Mack. Actually, on the Giants Ha Ha Dix is more value then Mack....and Barr? Hahaha (not the tide free safety) on the Giants 4-3? Left tackle or Donald...or trade back if they are off the board.

I'd look at Martin first though.

In comment 11608832 JonC said:

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I'd look at Martin first though.

I agree. Either of those guys would make me very, very happy.

If the Cards were to offer their 1 & 2 for #12. At 20, assuming Martin was gone, I would jump on Xavier Sua-Filo.

In the second, we could get two red chip players;

Jordan Matthews - Joel Bitonio
Kareem Martin - Davante Adams
Jace Amaro -Travis Swanson

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Former Michigan offensive tackle Taylor Lewan's arraignment for three misdemeanor assault charges has been postponed from Tuesday until May. The two-time Big Ten offensive lineman of the year, who is expected to be a first-round pick in May's NFL draft, will be charged with one count of aggravated assault and two counts of assault or assault and battery in a Dec. 1, 2013, incident.

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In comment 11607405 buljos said:

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because the miserable 2013 season with the "broken" offense was principally about the failure of blocking and pass protection. The Giants have enjoyed good offensive lines for a while, and maybe got lulled into a false sense of security that underemphasized persistent and continuous investments in blocking and pass protection through the draft and FA. Gilbride confirmed he had been harping at JR for a while about this very issue. So it's not like nobody saw it coming. JR didn't have an issue drafting a RB in the 1st round who should be able to learn how to pass protect. JR didn't have an issue letting a very good blocking/pass pro TE go in FA, replaced with a TE who should be able to learn how to block and pass protect. Not wise... and 2013 was the result. Ok. Lesson learned, or not? Lewan with the 12th, or some WR in TE clothing who's an excellent receiving weapon who should be able to learn how to block and pass protect? Take Lewan. Learn the lesson while you've still got your franchise QB under center.

WE HAVE NO #1 wr nor a TE. What does it matter how better blocking is if there's no one to throw to. Without a #1 WR, the def dbls up on Cruz.

In comment 11608803 mrpitt said:

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He's a top franchise tackle - any scout worth anything realizes this. As far as playmakers - they are useless without an offensive line. Did you not watch last year - and I guess we got Geoff Schwartz and the line is 2007 again. Beatty is a decent soft finesse LT - for one year. Last year, he was probably the one person you can blame more then any other on the crap season we had. Robinson will be the best, but he needs a year to learn to pass block - but can be moved inside at guard. He is, BTW, the ONLY player I would trade up for - we need a franchise LT bad. Eli needs a wall - allows all to flow, and we can once again go play action, power run, and then - go vertical. Lewan at 12 is a no brainer - even more value then 3-4 Mack. Actually, on the Giants Ha Ha Dix is more value then Mack....and Barr? Hahaha (not the tide free safety) on the Giants 4-3? Left tackle or Donald...or trade back if they are off the board.

You can say all that, and yet there's landfill somewhere full of "can't miss" nfl tackle prospects while the Giants won two super bowls with a combination of David Diehl and Will Beatty, and the best "can't miss' guy of 2013 was outshined and just plain outplayed by Justin Pugh.

Just because someone says it's a no-brainer doesn't make it so.

well said

they'll draft him if available. They are simply hard to come by. If he's on the board and they pass we'll all know what they think of him.

I would draft him. The only player I saw get the best of him on the field was Clowney during his crazy 2012 campaign. It was a battle but as the game wore on JC was a load.

In comment 11607333 japanhead said:

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reese would love to trade down? reese has never traded down since becoming GM, despite acknowledging various opportunities to do so. in fact, he has only traded up (once to grab ryan nassib, of all people). if anything, history has shown the trend with the regime is to match value + need, and trade up if there is a high value player is still on the board, even if that player is a quarterback who will never dress, let alone play. not saying i agree with it, but what in the world gives you the sense that reese would love to trade down, other than the fact that it is purported to be a deep draft? or is this just idle speculation?

Its pretty silly to judge the likilood of Reese doing something based on what he's done previously. Sample size is too small. That's what led people to say no RB in the first round (whoops), no OL in the first (whoops).

barring JPP all our recent 1st rounders have addressed a need. Is Will Beatty going to keep the Giants from drafting Taylor Lewan if the team sees him as an All Pro caliber guy at LT? So there is a need. I'm hoping Matthews falls so we can all get behind a LT with this pick. Eli needs better protection and it starts with the blindside.

In comment 11608759 mrpitt said:

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well, he's the most important position on offense after the QB? Anybody willing to go into next season with Beatty again, and suggest we HAVE to play him, because of his contract, might as well forget all the sexy wide outs or the overrated TE Ebron at 12 - because if Beatty plays like last year, off a broken leg (very possible) they can have three megatrons, and Eli will look like Troy Aikman his rookie season. Anybody who wants to realize just how important an offensive line is, look at last years offense - then watch the "wall" feature on the IMHO greatest offensive line in the history of football, the JJ era Cowstains - who made all the "sexy" three become hall of fame players. Last year Lewan would of been the number 1 pick overall - and is still a franchise left tackle - with a mean streak. You pass on him, and the Giants go Ebron or Evans - they are not listening to Mara. This draft is LOADED with wide out talent - hell, the Giants can pick up Landry from LSU in the third round due to a slow 40 at the combines, and he can be the steal of the draft. It aint about speed at WR - it's about separation - and Landry gets it with smooth route running. Why take a WR so hight? And Ebron? A no blocking, dropping the ball tight end at 12? Please say it aint so.

Absolutely right. Fix Blocking and Pass Protection... first and foremost. It's still not fixed. Not by a long shot. Snee will not go 16 games. Beatty is a huge question. J.D Walton is a huge question, having last played a snap in early 2012. Eli must be able to go through his progressions, so defenses must feel the need to send additional pressure to stop Eli from standing back there and picking them apart. Eli must have legitimate play action, which necessitates a running game enabled by solid, consistent blocking. Those are absolute must haves if this offense is to be restored from its "broken" status while they still have a 2 time SB MVP under center and therefore a shot at winning it all one more time. This D will be giving the ball back to Eli a lot. It won't do any good if the blocking and pass protection is still putrid.

they have lost their minds.

Phil in LA knows more about football than the New York Football Giants...jeesh

and I don't expect them to take Lewan because I know they look at more than draft lists when doing their scouting.

haha

I didn't think Robert Gallery was worth the #4 pick. I don't like it when the Giants fuck up picks, and really don't like it when they fuck up first rounders, which they haven't done it awhile and I don't expect them to do next month.

when people say things like ...'never going to happen'...or 'throw the remote' people understand they aren't to be taken seriously.

and it's because that was what I did when we took Cedric Jones. Smashed it to bits, then loved the Toomer pick. There are red flags on Lewan's tape and on his off field record. Martin is a better player and is exactly what the Giants look for in OL's if you believe Jerry Reese was telling the truth about Pugh last year.
Reese on Pugh, including talk about the Giants favoring versatility - ( New Window )

Lewan, Evans, Donald and Ebron are there at 12 with no possibility of tradedown, who is your pick? Even with no trade down, would you take Martin at 12?

though I would also like Donald and wouldn't mind Evans or Ebron.

Ideally , I would trade down and pick up an extra third. Then in the first 4 picks I'd take Martin, a WR, TE and a G/C. Though I could also take a pass rusher with one of the 3's, or even a RB depending on how deep the board was stacked at the other positions.

I like Martin as well.I think he will be a very solid Pro.

there are only a certain number of guys who are Giant type OL's. In this draft Martin certainly is the first one in one of our windows. One of the reasons that the OL has declined is that there have been some drafts where there were no Giant type OL's in any of the windows. Then there was the time in 2009 where they inexplicably took Sintim over Max Unger... But they've had bad health luck health luck, a bunch of guys getting old at the same time, too.

But a rebuild is in order and they're only about 40% of the way there.

12, with the same conviction they had with Pugh last year, 7 slots later.

and get him, but I'm fine taking him at 12 and having him be a top 5 OL for us for the next 8-10 years.

system who'll be available at 43, because if we were able to land one there we could take Donald and still target the OL, which is still an area of huge need for us.

To my mind we should take the best lineman available at 12, whether offensive or defensive. I've been high on Martin from the outset of the offseason, but am not sure that he offers as much impact as Donald. I just hope we have a choice of both at 12; I'll be content with either.

and move Pugh inside or have him at one of the OG spots?

he is like a Justin Pugh but a better prospect. If that's true, I can see us favoring him because of that versatility he brings to the table. I would be very happy with Martin as our pick.

I was thinking about a guy like Martin at RG next to Pugh. Two guys with very good technique as Jennings hits B gap.

in the second round Bitonio, Yankey, Cyrus and one or two others could be there who are Giant types. In the third Trai Turner, and the C's.

`56.

I'd just left them all compete and start the best 5 wherever they land.

In comment 11611731 Phil in LA said:

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in the second round Bitonio, Yankey, Cyrus and one or two others could be there who are Giant types. In the third Trai Turner, and the C's. `56. I'd just left them all compete and start the best 5 wherever they land.

Perhaps Dozier would be a good target in the 3rd as well. What I wonder about is that, with the additions of really big OGs in Schwartz amd Jerry, are we changing our criteria. If so, would we consider Gabe Jackson in the 2nd? The guy's a beast if he gets his hands on you, but isn't as mobile as we've liked historically.

moved into day 2? I kept getting him in round 4 on those Mock sites, and they'd give me a bad grade for the pick;)

In comment 11611747 Phil in LA said:

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moved into day 2? I kept getting him in round 4 on those Mock sites, and they'd give me a bad grade for the pick;)

Hard for me to tell. I see him as a 3rd or 4th rounder.

I REALLY liked his interviews online. What a nice, humble and committed kid.

ballpark.

but I think Reese is pretty set in what he likes in an OL. And I also think TC isn't gonna get too far away from what he's one twice with. I think they got Jerry cause Brown was shopping their offer before accepting it. I don't think either deal guarantees them a roster spot.

Camp should be interesting, especially if we pick 2 or 3 OL's and get a decent UDFA OL or two. We need starters AND depth.

Good point on the Brown/Jerry link, Phil.

I see us taking 2 OL at most unless we trade for several more picks. I see us taking 1-2 DL, 1 WR, 1 TE, 1RB, and 2 OL, with perhaps a DB or LB. Despite our additions, we just need depth at too many positions to take more than 2 OL...and if we take Martin I could see us taking only one, with an UDFA C also signed.

I could see us hitting it again in the third and then UDFA. But if we do something else at 12/first I could see us taking 3.

Mosley and Herman are both wild cards who looked terrible in their first camps.

but I agree with your takes on Mosley and Hermann, and further, kinda amusing, both Brown and Jerry were guys I liked in their draft(s) from their college tape, more than I liked Mosley.

Goodin is the wild card I know nothing about really except that Pat Traina spotted him during his rookie camp as a UDFA and cited him as looking like a player, maybe moreso than drafted guys like Mosley and Brewer. Pugh had good things to say about Goodin's intelligence last year, and Goodin has practiced at almost every spot on the OL.

Who knows, but Goodin may step up to be our back-up OC this year and maybe even a starter at an OG spot? IF so, I could see the FO looking only to draft one OL this year, preferably with a high pick like 12 or 43...