I have a feeling that JR and the Giants would love to trade down in this draft and acquire an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick in this deep draft. If Taylor Lewan is available at 12 i can see possible trade develop that would make sense. The Dolphins(19) and the Cardinals (20) would both love a stud tackle ,and these teams would fear that the Rams(13) Steelers(15) or the Cowboys(16) will select him before the have the Opprotunity.
The Cards are a team that is knocking on the door to win now, espically with an aging Carson Plamer (who is in desperate need of time to trow the ball). That is why i believe they are willing part with their 2nd rounder to strengthen the weakest part of their team.
I can see a trade of the Giants 1st rounder and 5th rounder for the Cards 1st and 2nd.
Then at 20 the Giants should select the beft football player who fills a need.
if anything, history has shown the trend with the regime is to match value + need, and trade up if there is a high value player is still on the board, even if that player is a quarterback who will never dress, let alone play.
not saying i agree with it, but what in the world gives you the sense that reese would love to trade down, other than the fact that it is purported to be a deep draft? or is this just idle speculation?
Was Reese not our GM yet? Can't really remember. Either way he was around and a major influence on the draft at the time.
It's true that one shouldn't expect a trade down, but it could happen. I believe Reese always stays true to his value chart in the draft room. If he doesn't have someone worth the 12th pick on his board he will actively look to trade down. Having said that, trades require partners, and Reese will not give the pick away.
As far as Lewan is concerned, I'd pass. This year I want the cleanest players possible in terms of character and health on the first two days.
Because of all the holes the Giants have, I'd do the deal, if offered.
Take someone who has both the athleticism and power,stop messing around with guys that are average.
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I thought Oher signed with Tennessee.
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Albert and Oher. They won't be drafting a T rd one unless it's a guy like Martin who can play in or out. Either way they aren't trading up.
I thought Oher signed with Tennessee.
Sorry. He visited but Tenn grabbed him. Still don't think they would trade up as Albert got a huge deal and is the LT
The Giants are paper thin at offensive tackle and center. And it's not like we're trotting All-Stars out there at offensive guard.
And you're asking what we should do if that animal Lewan is at there at 12???
There's only one thing to do.
You take him... and that's exactly what the Giants are going to do.
And you can bet the farm on that.
Lewan is an outstanding athlete - but that was Beatty's strong point too. It's going to take a lot more than that.
Who is the better football player - Martin or Lewan?
And a huge fit to "need."
There are many out there who think Martin actually looks better at LT while watching tape.
I think drafting Lewan and just assuming that he is automatically the starting LT are premature
The Giants are paper thin at offensive tackle and center. And it's not like we're trotting All-Stars out there at offensive guard.
And you're asking what we should do if that animal Lewan is at there at 12???
There's only one thing to do.
You take him... and that's exactly what the Giants are going to do.
And you can bet the farm on that.
Better get ready for life in the city...the farm will be gone.
They do need offensive line help, they need playmakers too. I'm certainly not betting the farm on Lewan.
No, he's a LT. Could play RT, but unlike Martin, is not a fit at guard.
They do need offensive line help, they need playmakers too. I'm certainly not betting the farm on Lewan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cpIkjW-CY4
Wow, against the best DE prospect in the last 15 years?
He's a top franchise tackle - any scout worth anything realizes this. As far as playmakers - they are useless without an offensive line. Did you not watch last year - and I guess we got Geoff Schwartz and the line is 2007 again. Beatty is a decent soft finesse LT - for one year. Last year, he was probably the one person you can blame more then any other on the crap season we had. Robinson will be the best, but he needs a year to learn to pass block - but can be moved inside at guard. He is, BTW, the ONLY player I would trade up for - we need a franchise LT bad. Eli needs a wall - allows all to flow, and we can once again go play action, power run, and then - go vertical. Lewan at 12 is a no brainer - even more value then 3-4 Mack. Actually, on the Giants Ha Ha Dix is more value then Mack....and Barr? Hahaha (not the tide free safety) on the Giants 4-3? Left tackle or Donald...or trade back if they are off the board.
I agree. Either of those guys would make me very, very happy.
In the second, we could get two red chip players;
Jordan Matthews - Joel Bitonio
Kareem Martin - Davante Adams
Jace Amaro -Travis Swanson
Former Michigan offensive tackle Taylor Lewan's arraignment for three misdemeanor assault charges has been postponed from Tuesday until May.
The two-time Big Ten offensive lineman of the year, who is expected to be a first-round pick in May's NFL draft, will be charged with one count of aggravated assault and two counts of assault or assault and battery in a Dec. 1, 2013, incident.
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WE HAVE NO #1 wr nor a TE. What does it matter how better blocking is if there's no one to throw to. Without a #1 WR, the def dbls up on Cruz.
He's a top franchise tackle - any scout worth anything realizes this. As far as playmakers - they are useless without an offensive line. Did you not watch last year - and I guess we got Geoff Schwartz and the line is 2007 again. Beatty is a decent soft finesse LT - for one year. Last year, he was probably the one person you can blame more then any other on the crap season we had. Robinson will be the best, but he needs a year to learn to pass block - but can be moved inside at guard. He is, BTW, the ONLY player I would trade up for - we need a franchise LT bad. Eli needs a wall - allows all to flow, and we can once again go play action, power run, and then - go vertical. Lewan at 12 is a no brainer - even more value then 3-4 Mack. Actually, on the Giants Ha Ha Dix is more value then Mack....and Barr? Hahaha (not the tide free safety) on the Giants 4-3? Left tackle or Donald...or trade back if they are off the board.
You can say all that, and yet there's landfill somewhere full of "can't miss" nfl tackle prospects while the Giants won two super bowls with a combination of David Diehl and Will Beatty, and the best "can't miss' guy of 2013 was outshined and just plain outplayed by Justin Pugh.
Just because someone says it's a no-brainer doesn't make it so.
I would draft him. The only player I saw get the best of him on the field was Clowney during his crazy 2012 campaign. It was a battle but as the game wore on JC was a load.
if anything, history has shown the trend with the regime is to match value + need, and trade up if there is a high value player is still on the board, even if that player is a quarterback who will never dress, let alone play.
not saying i agree with it, but what in the world gives you the sense that reese would love to trade down, other than the fact that it is purported to be a deep draft? or is this just idle speculation?
Its pretty silly to judge the likilood of Reese doing something based on what he's done previously. Sample size is too small. That's what led people to say no RB in the first round (whoops), no OL in the first (whoops).
Absolutely right. Fix Blocking and Pass Protection... first and foremost. It's still not fixed. Not by a long shot. Snee will not go 16 games. Beatty is a huge question. J.D Walton is a huge question, having last played a snap in early 2012. Eli must be able to go through his progressions, so defenses must feel the need to send additional pressure to stop Eli from standing back there and picking them apart. Eli must have legitimate play action, which necessitates a running game enabled by solid, consistent blocking. Those are absolute must haves if this offense is to be restored from its "broken" status while they still have a 2 time SB MVP under center and therefore a shot at winning it all one more time. This D will be giving the ball back to Eli a lot. It won't do any good if the blocking and pass protection is still putrid.
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Ideally , I would trade down and pick up an extra third. Then in the first 4 picks I'd take Martin, a WR, TE and a G/C. Though I could also take a pass rusher with one of the 3's, or even a RB depending on how deep the board was stacked at the other positions.
But a rebuild is in order and they're only about 40% of the way there.
To my mind we should take the best lineman available at 12, whether offensive or defensive. I've been high on Martin from the outset of the offseason, but am not sure that he offers as much impact as Donald. I just hope we have a choice of both at 12; I'll be content with either.
I was thinking about a guy like Martin at RG next to Pugh. Two guys with very good technique as Jennings hits B gap.
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I'd just left them all compete and start the best 5 wherever they land.
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I'd just left them all compete and start the best 5 wherever they land.
Perhaps Dozier would be a good target in the 3rd as well. What I wonder about is that, with the additions of really big OGs in Schwartz amd Jerry, are we changing our criteria. If so, would we consider Gabe Jackson in the 2nd? The guy's a beast if he gets his hands on you, but isn't as mobile as we've liked historically.
Hard for me to tell. I see him as a 3rd or 4th rounder.
I REALLY liked his interviews online. What a nice, humble and committed kid.
Camp should be interesting, especially if we pick 2 or 3 OL's and get a decent UDFA OL or two. We need starters AND depth.
I see us taking 2 OL at most unless we trade for several more picks. I see us taking 1-2 DL, 1 WR, 1 TE, 1RB, and 2 OL, with perhaps a DB or LB. Despite our additions, we just need depth at too many positions to take more than 2 OL...and if we take Martin I could see us taking only one, with an UDFA C also signed.
Mosley and Herman are both wild cards who looked terrible in their first camps.
Goodin is the wild card I know nothing about really except that Pat Traina spotted him during his rookie camp as a UDFA and cited him as looking like a player, maybe moreso than drafted guys like Mosley and Brewer. Pugh had good things to say about Goodin's intelligence last year, and Goodin has practiced at almost every spot on the OL.
Who knows, but Goodin may step up to be our back-up OC this year and maybe even a starter at an OG spot? IF so, I could see the FO looking only to draft one OL this year, preferably with a high pick like 12 or 43...