If Lewan is available at 12 what should the giants do?

I don't see a trade with the Cardinals happening now that it seems they are enamored with AJ McCarron in the second round. They need their second rounder to get him. Also, I could the cards just sit at where they are drafting and take Martin.

if he's a stud Left Tackle. Who wouldnt want one of those?

I think you are sorely undervaluing 1st round picks. Moving up 8 spots in the first would cost more than a 2nd round pick.

and it hasnt happened. These regurtitated, hypothetical threads, are becoming a bore.

And if it is lewan....we need a OT, WR, TE and a DT in the draft.

reese would love to trade down? reese has never traded down since becoming GM, despite acknowledging various opportunities to do so. in fact, he has only traded up (once to grab ryan nassib, of all people).

if anything, history has shown the trend with the regime is to match value + need, and trade up if there is a high value player is still on the board, even if that player is a quarterback who will never dress, let alone play.

not saying i agree with it, but what in the world gives you the sense that reese would love to trade down, other than the fact that it is purported to be a deep draft? or is this just idle speculation?

Reese traded up to get Bryan Kehl in 2008, and again in 2009 to get Ramses Barden.

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Lee, Ebron, Beckem Jr, Martin, maybe even Sua-Filo.But heres the issue , if Donald is there at 12 he is so far and away BPA , I would have trouble giving that up.

The only trade down I remember is with Kiwi and I don't know if that was Reese.

and the players Reese has traded around for haven't panned out

was when we traded out of our spot with the Steelers, who I believe took Santonio Holmes. We later took Kiwi.

Was Reese not our GM yet? Can't really remember. Either way he was around and a major influence on the draft at the time.

It's true that one shouldn't expect a trade down, but it could happen. I believe Reese always stays true to his value chart in the draft room. If he doesn't have someone worth the 12th pick on his board he will actively look to trade down. Having said that, trades require partners, and Reese will not give the pick away.

trade down, but as others have said, you need a partner, which will be difficult in this deep draft when everyone is looking to do the same. Not really liking our chances.

As far as Lewan is concerned, I'd pass. This year I want the cleanest players possible in terms of character and health on the first two days.

should receive the Cards' 1st and 2d round picks in exchange for the Giants 1st round pick.

Because of all the holes the Giants have, I'd do the deal, if offered.

To protect our franchise QB. I would draft Lewan at 12.

isn't remotely the same as moving up in the first. I don't see that happening as we need picks at multiple positions.

because the miserable 2013 season with the "broken" offense was principally about the failure of blocking and pass protection. The Giants have enjoyed good offensive lines for a while, and maybe got lulled into a false sense of security that underemphasized persistent and continuous investments in blocking and pass protection through the draft and FA. Gilbride confirmed he had been harping at JR for a while about this very issue. So it's not like nobody saw it coming. JR didn't have an issue drafting a RB in the 1st round who should be able to learn how to pass protect. JR didn't have an issue letting a very good blocking/pass pro TE go in FA, replaced with a TE who should be able to learn how to block and pass protect. Not wise... and 2013 was the result. Ok. Lesson learned, or not? Lewan with the 12th, or some WR in TE clothing who's an excellent receiving weapon who should be able to learn how to block and pass protect? Take Lewan. Learn the lesson while you've still got your franchise QB under center.

Albert and Oher. They won't be drafting a T rd one unless it's a guy like Martin who can play in or out. Either way they aren't trading up.

draft him

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a year after drafting Pugh, and giving Beatty a nice contract.They should just go for it all and make a move on Jake Matthews.First you gotta pray Jeff Fisher passes him up.

Take someone who has both the athleticism and power,stop messing around with guys that are average.

Lewan is not all that.

If Donald is gone then they should go Lewan or Martin

else is valuable doesn't it?

where the guy talked to scouts and execs.
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don't regard Lewan very highly. Tucker said that Lewan lacks lateral agility and didn't impress him in the film he watched of Lewan. Cosell basically agreed with him. As a sleeper, Cosell likes the OT, Cornelius Lucas, from Kansas State. He's rated as a rd. 6-7 type.

Martin better than Lewan.

In comment 11607426 LauderdaleMatty said:

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Albert and Oher. They won't be drafting a T rd one unless it's a guy like Martin who can play in or out. Either way they aren't trading up.

I thought Oher signed with Tennessee.

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In comment 11607426 LauderdaleMatty said: Quote: Albert and Oher. They won't be drafting a T rd one unless it's a guy like Martin who can play in or out. Either way they aren't trading up. I thought Oher signed with Tennessee.

Sorry. He visited but Tenn grabbed him. Still don't think they would trade up as Albert got a huge deal and is the LT

I could see him going from 12 to 15 for an extra 3rd or 4th rounder but not all the way down to 20

I take OT all day long. It's hard to ignore the argument of kicking Pugh or Beatty inside fixing 2 problems w/ one move.

...I just don't understand your logic?

The Giants are paper thin at offensive tackle and center. And it's not like we're trotting All-Stars out there at offensive guard.

And you're asking what we should do if that animal Lewan is at there at 12???

There's only one thing to do.

You take him... and that's exactly what the Giants are going to do.

And you can bet the farm on that.

and it may be Martin not Lewan. They may also go OL in round 2 if someone slides.

Lewan is an outstanding athlete - but that was Beatty's strong point too. It's going to take a lot more than that.

Who is the better football player - Martin or Lewan?

Both were team captains, both played vast numbers of games. Dishy Martin start or play in 45+?. Lewan has better length, but Martin. Is versatile. He's the guy I'd want on my team . High character, leader, can play any spot on the line.

Take Martin,ideally after a trade down before 19.

would be cool by me at 12.



And a huge fit to "need."

Didn't. Stupid phone.

Draft him!

his worst season with a sieve-like line in front of him and you want to trade away a guy you called "a stud tackle"?

Many here are ready to anoint him as the next Anthony Munoz. His play this year was not that good. At the end of the year he was not a top 5 T. With various guys going back to school and Lewan looking good in shorts at the combine, he suddenly vaults up the board.

There are many out there who think Martin actually looks better at LT while watching tape.

I think drafting Lewan and just assuming that he is automatically the starting LT are premature

In comment 11607657 M.S. said:

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...I just don't understand your logic? The Giants are paper thin at offensive tackle and center. And it's not like we're trotting All-Stars out there at offensive guard. And you're asking what we should do if that animal Lewan is at there at 12??? There's only one thing to do. You take him... and that's exactly what the Giants are going to do. And you can bet the farm on that.

Better get ready for life in the city...the farm will be gone.

If Donald or Martin are sitting there, I'd take either one of them over Lewan.

it would be great if he were there and somebody else wanted him and we traded the pick. There are studs available into the 20's.

I misunderstood the skinny on Lewan. Doesn't he at best, project to ORT? if so, it would appear to me to be more prudent and draft a Zach Martin who apparently can play both T spots with equal aplomb, or virtually so and is more versatile than Lewan

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All this talk about Lewan, and 'cant miss' prospects..it just seems like people are taking that Mara quote and getting an awful lot of miles out of it.

They do need offensive line help, they need playmakers too. I'm certainly not betting the farm on Lewan.

In comment 11608684 Big Blue '56 said:

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I misunderstood the skinny on Lewan. Doesn't he at best, project to ORT? if so, it would appear to me to be more prudent and draft a Zach Martin who apparently can play both T spots with equal aplomb, or virtually so and is more versatile than Lewan

No, he's a LT. Could play RT, but unlike Martin, is not a fit at guard.

In comment 11607338 PatersonPlank said:

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I agree we would then have excellent bookend tackles (with Pugh) for the next 10 years.

well, he's the most important position on offense after the QB? Anybody willing to go into next season with Beatty again, and suggest we HAVE to play him, because of his contract, might as well forget all the sexy wide outs or the overrated TE Ebron at 12 - because if Beatty plays like last year, off a broken leg (very possible) they can have three megatrons, and Eli will look like Troy Aikman his rookie season. Anybody who wants to realize just how important an offensive line is, look at last years offense - then watch the "wall" feature on the IMHO greatest offensive line in the history of football, the JJ era Cowstains - who made all the "sexy" three become hall of fame players. Last year Lewan would of been the number 1 pick overall - and is still a franchise left tackle - with a mean streak. You pass on him, and the Giants go Ebron or Evans - they are not listening to Mara. This draft is LOADED with wide out talent - hell, the Giants can pick up Landry from LSU in the third round due to a slow 40 at the combines, and he can be the steal of the draft. It aint about speed at WR - it's about separation - and Landry gets it with smooth route running. Why take a WR so hight? And Ebron? A no blocking, dropping the ball tight end at 12? Please say it aint so.