Why Not Marqise Lee?

thats not a good value pick..

He would be rated similar to Watkins a d would have likely been a top 5 pick. Depending on how the draft falls but taking him at 12 could very well be BPA

But I suspect I'm in the vast minority there.

I agree, but I definitely think we are in the minority, which is why I started the thread. There have been about a 1000 threads on Evans, but very few on Lee. As someone said, if Lee came out last year, before his injury, he would be a top 5 guy. The only concern I have read about is that his body might not be able to withstand a 16 game NFL schedule, but I really do not know if that is overreacting to his junior year injuries.

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Because with Lee's knee injury the perception is Evans has a higher floor and with Evan's size the perception is he has the higher ceiling as well.

that he's in the discussion. I'd be fine with him, but would prefer to pass. He's had knee and shoulder injuries, and I wonder if he can take the pounding he'll get in the NFL. We may also may well be looking for a big receiver, a la Evans, Bryant, Moncrief, Latimore, etc.

I don't see Evans as the second best WR in this draft, I just don't see it.

I don't want to pick a WR at 12.

There is no doubt in my mind about that in addition to the way he fights for the ball. Eli would trust him with jump balls. Eli has done that in the past with some receivers that would, at the least, knock the ball away. He hasn't had that lately.

With that said, Lee is a different type of receiver and would still provide our offense with some needed playmaking ability. The only issue is that I see Cruz, Randle, Jernigan and Lee as very similar WRs. While they aren't identical they are similar. There needs to be some diversity in your WR corps.

Entering this year it was him and Watkins viewed as the 2 best WR in college. He runs every route, he catches passes all over the field including the middle. He can line up all over the LOS and get off of press coverage. He returns punts and kicks.

I think he is going to be a tremendous pro. The knee is the question, but if OK I would easily take him over Evans.

Utterly amazing he is considered small at 6'0 and 195

I think the injury concerns are what is keeping him out of the open discussion.

zero chance, and I'm not even sure he goes that high if he came out last year. He isn't an explosive, game changing WR. I'd love him with our 2nd, certainly not with out 1st though.

He absolutely would have gone in the top half of the 1st rd if he had put those numbers up last year.

which is Cruz's forte. Lee could do just as well on the outside. His problem, aside from the injuries, is that he looked like he had a case of the yips when he came back last year and so teams are presuming wider problems. But he was flat-out dominant as a soph and he could turn into an excellent pro. Good head on his shoulders, big enough, fast and agile enough, runs good routes. Wouldn't hate it at 12.

I think it comes downs to who is on the board as well, when Lee is available. If other prospects are there, I certainly wouldn't want anything to do with Lee.

it would be unwise to discount him.

I remember when none of us saw Ike Hilliard being the pick.

on that knee. Also, I am curious where our FO have him. What other prospects if all available at 12 would you have ahead of Lee?

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First 30 games before his knee injury - this includes 6 games with freshman QB in 2013

221 catches 3,250 yds 26 TD

He is not explosive!

In those games, before the knee, he played 3 more games than Evans. He had 60 more catches & 800 more yards

But we should reach for one in the 1st. Brilliant!

looking back on it, yes, he probably would have mostly because it was a pitiful year at WR.

My overall point is he isn't the gamechanger you would want at 12. He can be a solid to very good NFL WR but I don't see great. I'd rather beef up the OL or take Donald; both of which can help transform that side of the ball, potentially.

In comment 11608640 UConn4523 said:

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looking back on it, yes, he probably would have mostly because it was a pitiful year at WR. My overall point is he isn't the gamechanger you would want at 12. He can be a solid to very good NFL WR but I don't see great.

Just to play devil's advocate, this is what people said about Hakeem Nicks coming out, and I think what Nicks did through 2011 would've made him worthy of the 12th pick.

I would also take Lee over Evans,but it might not be the best value.

Which means we can only take him between picks 15 and 43.If Jerry wants him at 12,he's gotta trade down and get another 5th round pick.

That's the rules,it's written in the 10 Draft Commandments by Mel Kiper.

Though I like Cooks and Beckham Jr. more than Lee

My concern is how much Barkley made Lee look better versus the opposite scenario because even with the injuries and poor QB play this year you would have expected at least similar YPC but that did not happen. He also had more drops this past season and that does cause some concern

and I'd take Lee at 29 were we picking there.

I just can't think of a good enough reason to take Lee at 12. He's not dynamic enough to warrant that spot.

I don't dislike Lee, I just think he's very poor value at 12.

40 times a game that season, it's hard for me to look past that when looking at Lee's 2013 production. That's an insane amount of passing, moreso than most teams in the NFL.

Before the combine I thought of him as a top WR,he ran 4.53 and he seems faster on tape,I love Lee and his runs after the catch.I would not be disappointed as I view him as a differrence maker.I rather get Donald or Lewan because the WR depth is off the charts in this draft,Bradind Cooks is also I guy I would love to have,and I pknow we don't need him now but besides Clooney I think Gilbert is the best player in this draft with huge impavt ability.

Here is the facts - In 2 years with Barkley, he threw the ball less times than Manziel threw in the 2 years he had Evans.

His time was poor, but so was Jerry Rice's time bad. I think Lee will be a better pro, in fact I think Lee fits this team like a glove. I also think I am in the minority, but I love Lee.

Though that Lee at 12 is too high. I would trade down if I wanted Lee.

over a player like Donald..

Deep red chip draft and Lee is NFL ready. I like Donald most thought so if he is there BANG.

In comment 11608725 stretch234 said:

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Here is the facts - In 2 years with Barkley, he threw the ball less times than Manziel threw in the 2 years he had Evans.

Right, but we aren't talking volume with Evans, we are talking about his size/speed combo which warrants a 12th pick should the Giants want to try to add that to their arsenal.

I suspect Lee will be a player NYG definitely likes but #12 is probably too high for him among this crop of talent.

These questions always pop up, you need to understand the value of the player and where that value stands among the rest. In my book, he's a player in the 20-32 range of this draft.

I agree that #12 is too high to take Lee. But I feel the same way about Evans.

Whoever suggested taking him with our 2nd rd pick, he won't (or shouldn't) be there at that point.

but as a player, he's definitely not a sudden, explosive athlete. He's elusive and instinctive and a good football player.

can't coach size and a big natural target, so teams are more likely to gamble on his upside, me thinks. But, I'd agree he's not a no-brainer at #12, imo.

I look at it this way. If there are any questions about this guy being a No 1 receiver, which there are, I am not using that 12th pick on him. I think there are legit concerns he can get off the LOS consistently in the NFL

With Lee's knee, I am not picking him at 12 either.

I think Lee will be better in the NFL

The only guy I take at 12, barring some real slips of others, is Donald. The difference of him vs the next guy is much larger than any other position.

If healthy, the best WR in the draft(yes, more impressive than Watkins). Following his career here the problem with him health. Not only the injuries he received, but the time he took to return from them. And always getting banged up with this or that kinna Nicks style. And there is some question of his desire for playing while being banged up. He does work hard and always said the right thing to the press so there's that.

Too much of a gamble at #12.

In comment 11608706 Mike in NY said:

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Though I like Cooks and Beckham Jr. more than Lee My concern is how much Barkley made Lee look better versus the opposite scenario because even with the injuries and poor QB play this year you would have expected at least similar YPC but that did not happen. He also had more drops this past season and that does cause some concern

He was playing injured most of the year. And he still was productive.

In comment 11608521 arcarsenal said:

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But I suspect I'm in the vast minority there.

I'm with you.

In comment 11608547 robbieballs2003 said:

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There is no doubt in my mind about that in addition to the way he fights for the ball. Eli would trust him with jump balls. Eli has done that in the past with some receivers that would, at the least, knock the ball away. He hasn't had that lately. With that said, Lee is a different type of receiver and would still provide our offense with some needed playmaking ability. The only issue is that I see Cruz, Randle, Jernigan and Lee as very similar WRs. While they aren't identical they are similar. There needs to be some diversity in your WR corps.

How are JJ and Randle similar?

In comment 11608898 GmenDynasty said:

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In comment 11608706 Mike in NY said: Quote: Though I like Cooks and Beckham Jr. more than Lee My concern is how much Barkley made Lee look better versus the opposite scenario because even with the injuries and poor QB play this year you would have expected at least similar YPC but that did not happen. He also had more drops this past season and that does cause some concern He was playing injured most of the year. And he still was productive.

I put Cooks and Becham right there with Lee too all three are great WR,this is an awesome draft for WR.

...Reese has proven that he doesn't care if a player has an injury history, but IMO he should. If a guy got hurt a lot in college, he likely will get hurt a lot in the pros. That's why I wouldn't invest a prime pick on Lee.

really didn't get to see him play a whole lot.

ooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk....

a WR with a knee injury? at 12?

not happening

is that he doesn't have much of a big body and he doesn't high the point with his hands and would rather body catch. I don't know if he'll ever be the type that can make contested catches in this league. Hes also had some turnovers in his career as well. There was inconsistency in that regard even in his phenomenal 2012 campaign

He's great at separating and looks like a RB after the catch. Hes extremely talented. I wouldn't mind if hes the pick, but injuries aren't the only concern with him. There's some things he can improve on

Lee has an injury history and comes with durability concerns. That shouldn't be hard to factor into his evaluations. I for one want the Giants to target players they are confident will be reliable. Potential means squat when it's on the inactive list sitting in the training room.

There is more than enough talent in the top 15 that JR can and should select a prospect with a clean bill of health and a profile that supports the belief they have the best chance possible to remain that way.

where we somehow ended up with Sammy Watkins.


Hopefully it's one of those dreams that ends up being a premonition.