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HYPOTHETICAL....If all 3 OT's are gone

suburbanite : 4/7/2014 2:47 pm
Assuming the QB's not named Bortles all drop. And the top 11 are as follows (in no order)

Bortles
Clowney
Mack
Watkins
Evans
Lewan
Robinson (OT)
Matthews
Gilbert
Ebron
Donald

This could be a real scenario.

Where do the NYG go? Barr? Ha HA? Dennard? Lee?

I go back and forth. This, in my opinion would be the worst case for the NYG.

I know the gut feeling will be to trade down, but in this draft no one wants to give up middle round draft picks because of the depth. If a team wants a QB, they know the NYG aren't picking one, so they can be patient and let ine come to them.
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RE: Donald should be there , but if not MARQUIS LEE  
buljos : 4/7/2014 9:17 pm : link
In comment 11609952 GmenDynasty said:
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He would have been a top 5 pick and ranked similar to Watkins if he came out a year earlier.

In this uber deep draft we'll still be able to Grab a plug and play OL @43


Lee is an excellent receiver, and on his own absent any consideration of team receiving corps balance, a great pickup. But Lee at 6'0" is as tall or taller than all the rest of the Giants legitimate receiving corps except Randle at 6'2", and he's a bit on the slight of build side. When there's the 6'5" Kelvin Benjamin, 6'4" Martavis Bryant, 6'3" Jordan Matthews, 6'3" Donte Moncrief, 6'3" Allen Robinson... just thinking red zone targets ala Plaxico... the Giants have a full house of 6'0" slight build receivers.
dynasty....  
raever : 4/7/2014 9:24 pm : link
you can't dismiss this season for Lee...he played tough through some dings when other guys might have shut it down but it did expose a potential weakness...durability. I'm leery of anyone @12 that may have issues staying on the field. We have to get consistent production from this draft class sooner than later if we want to rebound from last years debacle. With the talent on the board through twelve picks I'd be hard pressed to justify Lee that early.
RE: The difference betwen Martin and Lewan is minimal  
buljos : 4/7/2014 9:42 pm : link
In comment 11609904 raever said:
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Both guys have strong college resumes. Odds are both go in the top fifteen picks, probably within a handful of one another. The question is what do you value more? Lewan is an uber athletic LT that can play on the blindside. Martin is a tech savvy G/T combo that can likely play 4 OL positions well but LT is a stretch imo.

Beatty worries most Giants fans and the guys inside the building may be losing some Zzzzz's on his account as well. Even if as some say 'we're gonna give him another shot there with that contract...so what...he's oh so cuttable after this season. Lewan can take over whenever he outstrips the incumbent. For that reason I'd go with Lewan. He plays the more coveted position.

Snee is on his last legs with Schwartz the only plus starter inside. Walton is the mystery man what will he bring to the table. Can Jerry rehab his image as well as his game? Martin helps address many of these questions.

In the final analysis I'd go with Lewan simple because he plays the more coveted position where good ones are hard to come. He'll be a good one.


Beatty earned his big contract because he played well... if and when he was protected. He needs inside protection from the LG. BFF graded Boothe out well when he was steady at LG, and the Giants had more than one good pass pro RB and a good pass pro TE. But when Beatty was left unprotected... Boothe to Center, good blocking RBs and TE gone in FA, then he didn't operate well out there on that LT island. Maybe that's a way of saying Beatty's the ultimate team lineman -- he operates quite well when he's a member of a functional blocking / pass pro team. Take that away, and he's not good. I therefore predict with JR's FA of a starting LG from the Chiefs, and a good pass pro RB from the Raiders, and a good pass pro TE from the Seahawks, Beatty's protection will afford him confidence... we'll see the Beatty pre-2013 again this season.
Choice  
Percy : 4/7/2014 9:54 pm : link
Martin. Nothing to it.
I also like Martin...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/7/2014 10:11 pm : link
but I wonder if we couldn't do a little better here. Not in terms of picking someone else, but with the QB's still here, are we sure we can't pick up an extra pick by sliding back even just a little and still get our guy (Martin)?

Taking a look at the draft order and who may be an interested trade partner, consider the Jets - at #18 wanting to get Johnny football - maybe they worry the Cowboys are interested just ahead of them and decide to move up. Can they give us their second? Or maybe their third? I would much prefer to slide back, pick up the guy we want (Martin) and get the Jets second round pick as well. In fact, as much as I like Martin, I think I'd rather have #18 and #49 giving us three picks in the top fifty, even if it means missing out on Martin.

Or better yet - trade back with the Cowboys so they can pick up Manziel. Jerry might see an opportunity to get his QB of the future and not want to risk losing him. Moving up just four spots would likely cost them a third rounder - and by moving back just four spots leave a very good chance that Martin is still on the board. Dallas owns the 78th pick of the draft - there will be good talent to be had there and very little risk of losing out on Martin by sliding back. The Bears and Steelers are not expected to go OL in the first, and the Rams really need a receiver.

Trade back and still get Manziel if you can Reese.
derp...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/7/2014 10:12 pm : link
I meant, trade back and still get Martin! Typed Manziel too many times in that thread...
Trade down..  
prdave73 : 4/7/2014 10:20 pm : link
Only option.
If Barr and Martin are there at 12  
djm : 4/7/2014 10:21 pm : link
Giants have at least two nice choices and probably more. You know they like some player(s) we don't know about. Someone with sick measurable -- maybe a small school guy.. Whatever. But Barr is a big time talent and prospect. They don't need to trade down if they like Barr. He won't last till 13 or 14 most likely.

If Evans, Donald and Lewan are gone  
chopperhatch : 4/7/2014 10:39 pm : link
You could sell me on Cooks. Not Barr, not Ebron. Trade back to like 20 (Cards might wanna a QB) grab the 2nd rounder in exchange, take Sua'Filo (or Martin if he's still there....Miami might go for Koundijo), then in the 2nd, take two of Niklas, Richburg and Davante Adams. Go D line depth and T prospects in rounds 3-7.

As much as id like one of these receivers though, I have to say I would prefer to get the O line fixed and grab a TE capable of mauling LBs and catching some balls up the seam. When you think about it, our projected receivers are not THAT bad. Same with D line.
Giant projected receivers are not too durable  
mamamia : 4/7/2014 10:50 pm : link
so it is imperative to bring in one or two quality big speedy WR's. I think they will address the TE situation via the draft or the waiver wire
RE: RE: Donald should be there , but if not MARQUIS LEE  
GmenDynasty : 4/7/2014 11:58 pm : link
In comment 11610005 buljos said:
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In comment 11609952 GmenDynasty said:


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He would have been a top 5 pick and ranked similar to Watkins if he came out a year earlier.

In this uber deep draft we'll still be able to Grab a plug and play OL @43



Lee is an excellent receiver, and on his own absent any consideration of team receiving corps balance, a great pickup. But Lee at 6'0" is as tall or taller than all the rest of the Giants legitimate receiving corps except Randle at 6'2", and he's a bit on the slight of build side. When there's the 6'5" Kelvin Benjamin, 6'4" Martavis Bryant, 6'3" Jordan Matthews, 6'3" Donte Moncrief, 6'3" Allen Robinson... just thinking red zone targets ala Plaxico... the Giants have a full house of 6'0" slight build receivers.


Lol and we won a Super Bowl with Cruz Mario and Nicks.Not exactly the biggest of receivers ya know?

Thats kinda like saying the Heat cant win cuz they got no size!

Good is good. Lee is a great talent and would be amazing with Eli.
RE: Martin  
ReneNYG1 : 4/8/2014 7:50 am : link
In comment 11609383 TheMick7 said:
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Martin owned Donald at the senoir bowl so he is a legit pick at 12.He was the only person to handle Donald in one on ones and is a great leader ,I would love to get Martin regardless of scenarios.
RE: If Martin is taken at 12  
ReneNYG1 : 4/8/2014 7:57 am : link
In comment 11609893 Earl the goat said:
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Is a scenario possible that they put him and Pugh together on the left side for the next 5-10 years and move Schwartz and Beatty or whomever to right side. Pugh and Martin on Eli's blind side might have pro bowl written all over it for these two


I love your thinking there and then get Niklas in the second whis is a monster blocking tight end and get our center in the third and then we are set with a wr in the fourth.
Zack Martin  
George : 4/8/2014 11:26 am : link
The only non-tackle I want at #12 is Sammy Watkins (I have a strange feeling he'll be there for us, but I can't let myself dwell on this too much).

Martin gives us what we need - excellent line play, versatility at four of the five OL positions, and flexibility to go TE or WR in the 2nd Round.

Martin played well against Donald inside at OG...not at T  
Torrag : 4/8/2014 11:35 am : link
It's his best position. He also projects well to RT...LT not so much. You don't pass on Lewan if you have the belief he is a franchise LT. Do the Giants fall into that category? We'll find out on Draft Day if he's even ob the board(doubtful). Sure as shit Will Beatty won't stop you from picking him if that's the case.
RE: Zack Martin  
GmenDynasty : 4/8/2014 2:01 pm : link
In comment 11610854 George said:
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The only non-tackle I want at #12 is Sammy Watkins (I have a strange feeling he'll be there for us, but I can't let myself dwell on this too much).

Martin gives us what we need - excellent line play, versatility at four of the five OL positions, and flexibility to go TE or WR in the 2nd Round.


I seriously doubt at but this draft is a crazy one. if he somehow is incredibly there. We are stumbling all over ourselves all the way to the podium to pick him
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