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2014 NYG Draft Preview - Linebacker

Sy'56 : 4/8/2014 6:15 am

*DISCLAIMER: Grading linebackers is arguably the most difficult thing to do because of the different schemes and roles across the league. These grades are purely based on NYG’s 4-3 front. Some teams have a scheme that could use an edge rushing linebacker and grade him out very high while a team like NYG would view him as a middle rounder at best. So please keep that in mind….

Current Linebackers on NYG Roster

Jon Beason – Signed through 2016

Spencer Paysinger – Signed through 2014

Jacquian Williams – Signed through 2014

Jameel McClain – Signed through 2015

Mark Herzlich – Signed through 2014

Allen Bradford – Signed through 2015

Spencer Adkins – Signed through 2014


Where They Stand:

The NYG front office and coaching staff has had their share of troubles over the years when trying to piece together their LB group via every avenue possible when it comes to play acquisition. The Draft, free agency, trades, waiver wire, in-season street free agents, they’ve attacked it from everywhere. Personally, I think this has been a below average group for years and there is a direct correlation between that and their extreme inconsistency on the defensive side of the ball. While the passing era of football has forced teams to only play one or two linebackers at a time for a lot of plays, I still think the value of quality guys in the middle of the defense is vital. Since I’ve been drafting for NYG in real time to compare years down the road, I’ve been calling for names like Curtis Lofton (2008), Sean Lee (2010), Mason Foster (2011), and Devonte Holloman (2013). The impact of these guys against BOTH the run and pass is enormous and I am consistently noticing a lack talent at the position hurting this team every year. The trade for Beason was a nice start, but this group is still starving for another talented player.


Top 10 Grades:

CJ Mosley – Alabama – 6’2/234: 81

Chris Borland – Wisconsin – 6’0/248: 81

Khalil Mack – Buffalo – 6’3/251: 81

Anthony Barr – UCLA – 6’5/255: 80

Jordan Tripp – Montana – 6’3/234: 79

Ryan Shazier – Ohio State – 6’1/237: 77

Jordan Zumwalt – UCLA – 6’4/235: 75

Christian Kirksey – Iowa – 6’2/233: 74

Trevor Reilly – Utah – 6’5/245: 74

Yawin Smallwood – Connecticut – 6’2/246: 73


Day One Target:

CJ Mosley – Alabama

I should be a bit of an asterisk on this one because I don’t have any of these linebackers graded in the top 12 overall. But should NYG trade back a bit, Mosley could come in to play. This is a player that earned a first round grade, but I have been a little let down on his lack of progression the past few years. I thought he was going to be a ‘special’ player that ended up with a grade above 90, however he never really took the next step. Despite that, I still think highly of him and believe he is one of the safer bets to be a quality difference maker for a decade in the NFL. Mosley is a guy that does it all physically but will also elevate the play of his teammates with his high on-field IQ. Mosley is a great mover in tight spaces as well as in pursuit to the sidelines. He is also one of the better coverage LBs in this class. He fits in well with what they want to do with the NYG LBs and he would fill a major hole in this defense. A true three down linebacker here.

Runner Up: Khalil Mack – Buffalo


Day Two Target:

Chris Borland – Wisconsin

I’ve been raving about Borland for over a year now and I’ve yet to take a step back. He earned a legit first round grade on my board despite the lack of ideal size. He is one of the most instinctive LBs I have ever seen and his ability to move in traffic is second to none. Watch any Wisconsin game, against any kind of offense, against any level of speed and you will see #44 in the frame on almost every play. Borland is a quality tackler and quality cover man. He consistently beats blockers to a spot, putting himself in position to impact the play. He lacks the physical gifts that some of these guys have at the position, but Borland will be a productive player no matter what. He is a great value pick in round 2, and could be an option for end of round 1 if NYG ends up there via trade.

Runner Up: Ryan Shazier – Ohio State


Day Three Target:

Jordan Tripp – Montana

Tripp comes from a slightly lower level of college football, but he has shined against better competition in his limited opportunities. He has the wiry frame, movement ability, and power presence that I saw out of Kiko Alonso last year. He may not be on that level right away, but I think Tripp will eventually be that same kind of defender in the league. He can fly all over the field, but also has the presence to take on linemen and deliver a violent jolt when taking on their blocks.

Runner Up: Jordan Zumwalt – UCLA

Most Overrated:

Kyle Van Noy – BYU (72)

Van Noy has one of the more productive resumes to look at when considering statistical compilation. But I’ve seen him play almost 10 times and I notice a lack of consistent presence against blockers coming straight at him. He doesn’t play strong enough at the point of attack; too often he is dancing around contact or even worse, giving up on plays. His ability to pursue and rush the edge can get him drafted, but I don’t think he warrants anything within the top 4-5 rounds. There is too much not to like here.

Runner Up: Shayne Skov (64)

NYG Approach:

As I previously stated, this defense needs an upgrade in talent at the LB group. The addition and resigning of Beason decreased the level of importance a bit, but the issue is still there. While the likes of Paysinger, Williams, and McClain can instill enough confidence to be a good-enough core at the start, there isn’t enough on the depth chart. Injuries are inevitable and NYG is just one away here from having yet another year of LB liability. There won’t be a player worth taking at #12 overall here, so I think they are looking at rounds 2-5 to bring in a quality rookie. I would prefer one of those day two picks to be spent on one, but not to a point where the value isn’t matched up. With that said, I think they can grab Borland in round 2, Tripp or Shazier in round 3, or even Zumwalt on day 3. There can be a lot of debate on just how important this is, but I won’t budge on my stance. The lack of talent and development at the LB position has held this team back more than most believe.
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my point with the mora post  
area junc : 4/8/2014 9:08 am : link
was barr may indeed be an All Pro 43 OLB who can play 8 or 9 positions
Should Mosley  
TMS : 4/8/2014 9:35 am : link
be BPA at #12 I think we should grab him. Remember what Willis has done for the SF offense all these years and is still doing it. Mosley has similar size and speed for the positionj. As an aside he has bigger hands than Nicks (10 3/4 ) and is a sideline to sideline presence who can cover and tackle. Put him into our front seven and we improve greatly this year. We will have a MLB for years to come after Beason leaves or gets injured.
Thanks Sy..what grade did you give Christian Jones  
Rick in Dallas : 4/8/2014 9:56 am : link
of florida State who had a good week of practice at the Senior Bowl.
Rick  
Sy'56 : 4/8/2014 10:50 am : link
Christian Jones finishes with a 71. His move the edge last year helped his grade for the 3-4 teams...but a 4-3...I can't give him anything higher than that. 4th round area.
RE: RE: Barr  
chris r : 4/8/2014 10:53 am : link
In comment 11610575 area junc said:
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Here's his college coach Jim Mora (who knows a thing or 2 about defensive players):

“With Anthony, the ceiling is so high,” Mora told the OC Register. “He's only played the position for two years, and they see the talent. Then, he comes out today and runs a 4.45 at 247 pounds and 6-foot-41/2. Then he goes and benches 19 times, which is a four-rep improvement from two weeks ago. They understand that there's so much room for growth.”

"He's nowhere near a finished product," UCLA Defensive Coordinator and ex-NFL linebacker Jeff Ulbrich says. "I think he's a guy who will continue to get better and will become a perennial All-Pro in the NFL. I tell NFL people looking at him, 'If you like what you see, you'll love what you get.'"

Barr posted 20 tackles for loss with 10 sacks, 5 forced fumbles and 4 fumble recoveries. He is 6'5" 255, has lightning quickness and the frame to add 10 more pounds.

Mora went on to compare him to Julian Peterson.


link?
I like Telvin Smith  
JOMO25 : 4/8/2014 10:55 am : link
as a Will LB. Fast, intense, sideline to sideline. He kind of reminds me of Armstead.
Your assessment is spot on regarding  
Vegas Steve : 4/8/2014 11:03 am : link
Borland, even in the second round he's a steal

I like Tripp as well but I was thinking of him as a 4th round prospect
isn't Borland a MLB only?  
chris r : 4/8/2014 11:08 am : link
I doubt we'd take one round 2 after just having paid Beason a ton of money.
don't know what your watching with Van Noy  
RAIN : 4/8/2014 11:16 am : link
Think he plays very hard, has speed, can cover, and can rush the passer. He can hold up at the POA. Will he dominate the POA? No.. that isn't his game. He's good enough though. Taking on a Fullback or Tight End he will need a bit of work, but nothing glaring in my opinion. He more than makes up for it with his pass rush and plays on the other side of the line of scrimmage.
area junc  
Rjanyg : 4/8/2014 11:27 am : link
I really like Barr. I don't like pinning him down to just a LB. I like to think pass rusher and difference maker. He has what you can't teach. Plus he seems to be a solid citizen.
Worth the 12th pick IMO.
would a LB corps that included both  
JOMO25 : 4/8/2014 11:34 am : link
Borland and Beason be too slow? Could either play outside in a 4-3?
Another underrated aspect of adding some young lb  
Lionhart28 : 4/8/2014 11:36 am : link
depth is their ability on special teams. Linebackers are typically your best guys on coverage teams. The whole team needs an upgrade in speed and athleticism. I'd love to add a Borland and then a Smith later as well.
Jomo  
Lionhart28 : 4/8/2014 11:40 am : link
Borland is way faster/quicker than McClain.
Christian kirksey  
hd9009 : 4/8/2014 11:57 am : link
Hi Sy, what are your thoughts on Kirksey. I really wish we could upgrade the lb position with at least 2 and like his coverage skills
sy  
scott in albany : 4/8/2014 12:02 pm : link
I also like borland but i have no faith the giants will draft a lb early.

I think the giants could draft a player like christian jones in the 4th rd. He played multiple positions in college. Played them all well. He can cover,good against the run and he can rush the passer.
That said Sy  
RAIN : 4/8/2014 12:10 pm : link
thanks for doing these. We all have our preferences.
Mosley  
ghost718 : 4/8/2014 12:17 pm : link
was in the top 15 for most the year on a lot of internet draft boards.Now guys who were once beneath him are getting bumped up.Some players who were ranked ahead of him drop,but not by much.Others show up out of nowhere and are considered top 5 picks.

This happens every year in the draft,it should tell you that it's hardly a process that's been mastered.But we still look at the boards as if they are written in stone.Can't take a guy at 12 whose ranked in the 20's,even if he is a better player.
I'd love either of the Florida State Linebackers or Lamin Barrow of  
Anakim : 4/8/2014 12:27 pm : link
LSU.


Great job, Dave
I'm curious about Kirksey, too.  
PeterS : 4/8/2014 12:28 pm : link
A semi-sleeper out of Iowa.

Great job Sy'56. Thanks!
Beason Effect  
Samiam : 4/8/2014 12:39 pm : link
I'm wondering if Reese saw the effect of a good LB in Reese on this defense and maybe decided that the team could use better LB play. That said, it would not surprise me if an LB was drafted with a high pick.
Great  
AcidTest : 4/8/2014 12:45 pm : link
job as usual Sy! Much appreciated.

I wouldn't that surprised if we drafted Barr. I don't want to, but I could easily see Jerry doing so. He has said frequently that FA is for now, and the draft is for the future. He used a first round pick on JPP because of his upside, and might see the same kind of emerging but undeveloped talent in Barr.
Sy  
hitdog42 : 4/8/2014 12:48 pm : link
what makes you think skov is overrated? nobody has him going sooner then mid 3rd round.
he can lead, blitz, tackle, stop the run. in coverage hes not scaring anyone but he wont miss an assignment.
you havent liked him since last year do you note the injury recovery and improvement in range on year 2 post ACL? i just struggle to see how he is overrated given people call him slow, a 2 down guy, and thats about it.
chris r  
Sy'56 : 4/8/2014 1:09 pm : link
Borland can play the weak side. In 4-3 schemes, they often play very similar roles to the MLB.
JOMO  
Sy'56 : 4/8/2014 1:10 pm : link
Borland/Beason is not a slow combination at all. Not even close. They both can play sideline to sideline.
Kirksey (Iowa)  
Sy'56 : 4/8/2014 1:12 pm : link
is a player. Wiry but strong frame that moves really well, really easily. Can be a presence against the run but also excels in coverage. Easy mover and a quick thinker. He may need some weight put on before being put in to a starting lineup but he can bring value right away as a quality backup and special teamer.
hitdog  
Sy'56 : 4/8/2014 1:15 pm : link
I've discussed Skov a few times. I think his production was heavily inflated by the scheme AND surrounding personnel. He played behind one of the top run defending DLs in the country and he still looked pedestrian. He is a slow-reaction guy that can't take on blocks. I wouldn't say he is a great blitzer simply because he goes untouched to the QB a few times. He is a horror in coverage as well. I look at him as a 6th/7th rounder, Chase Blackburn type at best.
got it thanks for replying  
hitdog42 : 4/8/2014 1:37 pm : link
i think you are using an injured player returning too soon 2012 view for a player that got healthier and better in 2013... as your view didnt shift when his performance did this season.

RE: chris r  
chris r : 4/8/2014 2:17 pm : link
In comment 11611057 Sy'56 said:
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Borland can play the weak side. In 4-3 schemes, they often play very similar roles to the MLB.


Sy Id be very reluctant to take a guy in the second who has average athleticism at MLB and project him to play the LB position that usually requires your best LB athlete.
chris r  
Sy'56 : 4/8/2014 2:32 pm : link
Since when does Borland show average athleticism? Have you seen him play? He moves well and he is one of the most instinctive LBs I have ever seen
The NFL is littered with uber productive college LB's...  
Torrag : 4/8/2014 3:25 pm : link
with limited size/athleticism that are on the scrap heap. I don't see a top 50 prospect with Borland. Instincts aren't athleticism. They allow a guy to play faster than he runs and anticiapate the action. That won't help borland cover the explosive backs and TE's he'll be matched up against. I think he's a good player but won't have the impact in the NFL he did at Wisconsin.

Furthermore for me he'd be exclusively a MIKE and while Beason needs a better safety net in case of injury Round 2 would be too early to go that route in any case. I'd prefer a Max Bullough in the middle rounds to take on that job.
Torrag  
Sy'56 : 4/8/2014 3:34 pm : link
Borland moves better than almost every LB prospect in this class. His 40 time leaves some to be desired but how much does that matter when it comes down to the tape? Watch him play against fast competition and you will see, he has the athleticism.

If you are big on workout numbers...he was pretty similar to Bowman.
His specialty is not  
Sy'56 : 4/8/2014 3:35 pm : link
chasing RBs and TEs down the field....but how may good LBs can do that?
Sy so he's coming off the field on 3rd downs?  
Torrag : 4/8/2014 3:39 pm : link
2nd rounders should stay on the field imo.
My point is value wise...Bullough in Round 5...  
Torrag : 4/8/2014 3:44 pm : link
as a bckup for Beason at MIKE makes a lot more sense than Borland in Round 2. Instinctive and tough LBers that will strike you and aren't seeing 3rd down reps.
Imo, there are two  
k-five : 4/8/2014 4:18 pm : link
picks in the first round Martin is one and CJ Mosley is the other. I know some may say it is a reach for him but he has vey little weaknesses in his game. He can play any LB position and is a three down 'backer. I surely would not be disappointed with him in the first even if we didn't trade down. Also, if Shazier is there for our second pick, to me, it is a no brainer.
I'm a fan of Mosley and would strongly consider drafting him if I was  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 4/8/2014 4:57 pm : link
Reese. He's unquestionably a 3 down LB already and that's one of the 2 biggest issues with all LB prospects. They could play him at WLB and he could eventually take over for Beason.

This team eventually needs a 3 down LB. But I seriously doubt the Giants go his way.
i'm still annoyed about  
japanhead : 4/8/2014 9:23 pm : link
the clint sintim and phillip dillard selections. i have absolutely zero faith in reese and ross' ability to select a difference maker at the position. the best LB corps during reese's tenure was mitchell-pierce-torbor. and two of those three were FA pickups. the last two difference makers at LB for NYG were boley, and now beason, also FA pickups. for whatever reason they've completely whiffed when drafting at that position.
Wow, as it stands right now,  
Doomster : 4/8/2014 9:24 pm : link
after the 2014 season, we will be hurtin' for certin' at linebacker and safety....
Is Kevin Pierre Louis a player that can  
barens : 4/8/2014 10:24 pm : link
Sneak into the 2nd or third round? His combine performance all but confirmed the production he had at BC.
barens  
Sy'56 : 4/8/2014 10:30 pm : link
I wouldn't be surprised to see him taken in the 55-75 range.
Sy, any thoughts re  
bob in tx : 4/8/2014 10:39 pm : link
Carl Bradford as SLB?
bob  
Sy'56 : 4/9/2014 3:38 am : link
A big no for me. He is purely an edge player that makes his money based on pure hustle. He isn't exactly a guy that makes reads and flows to the action. He doesn't have the skill set I want out of a 4-3 OLB.
Sy  
AnotherGiantsFan : 4/9/2014 3:41 am : link
Thoughts on Telvin Smith? He's so undersized but he is fun to watch. I think he has a shot to be a real player at the next level.
Telvin Smith  
Sy'56 : 4/9/2014 6:01 am : link
I liked him initially but when I really scouted him in depth, I can see where he'll struggle mightily in the NFL. If a blocker gets a clear path to him, its over. He needs to be in space and when he is, there is an above average potential Great in coverage. But I would compare him to Jaqouian Williams of NYG. Solid role player but not an every down guy.
base bison  
area junc : 4/9/2014 7:59 am : link
keep in mind we very well could go base bison with hill and brown deep and rolle in the slot + 2 linebackers.

(beason and somebody else.)

i think we are moving away from 3 linebackers on the field and when we do use 3 "linebackers" we like to use a DE at OLB. that may be d.moore this year

would love to put shazier next to beason in the above package - speed to burn.
RE: Beason Effect  
Klaatu : 4/9/2014 10:08 am : link
In comment 11611005 Samiam said:
Quote:
I'm wondering if Reese saw the effect of a good LB in Reese on this defense and maybe decided that the team could use better LB play. That said, it would not surprise me if an LB was drafted with a high pick.


It would surprise the hell out of me.
Sy -- another Barr question  
Pete in VA : 4/9/2014 10:38 am : link
If he is drafted by a 4-3 team (which i recognize is a tough fit)how do you see him being used? Would 4-3 teams team try to use him at linebacker or as an Osi-type weak side DE?
Peter  
Sy'56 : 4/9/2014 10:47 am : link
My guess would be a move to OLB but I can see both. He is a good enough athlete to handle either position physically, its just a matter of learning the position(s). His upside is immense and there is no denying it...but it's just a major gamble for a 4-3 team. I wouldn't blame anyone for rolling the dice on him though.
Thanks Sy  
Pete in VA : 4/9/2014 10:55 am : link
Reese has taken tweeners before (Sintim, Tracy), but not one with Barr's upside. I wouldn't be shocked.
Yup  
Sy'56 : 4/9/2014 11:00 am : link
Crazier things have happened. I'd put him on a list of 5 guys that I think could be the selection at 12.
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