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Martin is better than Lewan

BarbieCarpenter : 4/10/2014 11:21 am
He has better feet, better technique, a stronger punch, better run blocker, better pass protector, better human being, he bends at the knees where Lewan is clearly a waste bender.

Really the only thing he doesn't do as well as Lewan is maybe pulling but that's open for debate since both rarely did it in college.

Martin can play all the spots. Lewan will be a RT... his 40 time be damned. Not because he's not a good athlete he is, but he's too stiff.

Gun to head I have to draft an OT at 12 and those are my choices it's Martin all day.
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You're drafting Martin  
uncledave : 4/10/2014 11:24 am : link
only after i pull your guns hypothetical trigger. That is just simply asinine and makes me cringe.
Lots of tackles pulling  
Joey in VA : 4/10/2014 11:32 am : link
In the Big Ten? Martin is a guard, Lewan is a blue chip LT, you are wrong wrong wrong.
Lewan  
Blue Blood : 4/10/2014 11:34 am : link
is bigger.
I don't know if he's better  
jeff57 : 4/10/2014 11:34 am : link
But he's a better fit for the Giants.
Won't be surprised  
4to80 : 4/10/2014 11:35 am : link
If the Giants agree with you.
Martin & Lewis were a great team.  
Klaatu : 4/10/2014 11:36 am : link
the only thing Lewan has over Martin  
Sir-Yes-Sir : 4/10/2014 11:37 am : link
is size. you could make an argument if he refines his skills to go with that size (same issue with Greg Robinson) he will have a higher ceiling and be a better pro.

Right now though, Martin is a more instinctive and refined player, and who knows what his upside would be.

Even without the off field issue, I would also rank Martin higher....
Joey  
bc4life : 4/10/2014 11:41 am : link
So, you'd take Lewan over Martin?

Martin sounds like a Pugh clone  
Phil from WNY : 4/10/2014 11:43 am : link
I could live with that. He's a guy who could ultimately play all five spots. The more I read about Martin, the more I like him.
Either one works for me  
PatersonPlank : 4/10/2014 11:48 am : link
Lewan is likely the better OT guy.
Martin can play OG too, which means if Beatty returns to "decent" form he can move inside and bump out Snee.

I would take Lewan myself, I think he is a great talent. Then we would have our OT's for the next 5 years. Beatty can back up, or learn an interior line position.
BS  
GGGmen : 4/10/2014 11:50 am : link
Lewan reminds me of A more polished Nate Solder who we all know the GIANTS loved. If we trade down and snag Martin that is fine. At 12 it isa. Reach IMO.
Martin is actually a better prospect  
BarbieCarpenter : 4/10/2014 11:50 am : link
than Pugh who we took at 18 I beleive. His arms are an inch longer as well before the T-Rex arm jokes start flying. If you draft Martin you actually save a roster spot on the game day roster too. There isn't another Olineman in the draft you can say can start anywhere day 1. That has value to me.
Lewan is tall  
BarbieCarpenter : 4/10/2014 11:53 am : link
Hooray! Whoopidiedoo da. There are like 47 OT prospects each year that are 6-5+ 300lbs.
Lewan is athletic  
GGGmen : 4/10/2014 11:56 am : link
Lewan has a nasty demeanor.
Lewan is a better run blocker.
Lewan is a LT.
RE: Martin is actually a better prospect  
jeff57 : 4/10/2014 11:56 am : link
In comment 11614205 BarbieCarpenter said:
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than Pugh who we took at 18 I beleive. His arms are an inch longer as well before the T-Rex arm jokes start flying. If you draft Martin you actually save a roster spot on the game day roster too. There isn't another Olineman in the draft you can say can start anywhere day 1. That has value to me.


Agree. Martin is a better prospect than Pugh.
I can  
AnishPatel : 4/10/2014 12:10 pm : link
see Martin as our pick. He is that solid versatile prospect who can play guard or tackle. Pugh is versatile, as well as Snee, and boothe when he was here. Even the new LG played guard and tackle. So we always prided ourselves with versatility and I can see us drafting Martin as that guy.
I agree  
Andy in Halifax : 4/10/2014 12:12 pm : link
Martin is better.
RE: I agree  
Klaatu : 4/10/2014 12:15 pm : link
In comment 11614243 Andy in Halifax said:
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Martin is better.


Penciled in for BBI mock draft, Giants, round one, Zach Martin.
Pugh  
pjcas18 : 4/10/2014 12:15 pm : link
was the 5th tackle and 7th OL drafted.

Martin will be the 3rd or 4th OL drafted.




Ross Tucker & Greg Cosell agree about Martin being the better of the 2  
Optimus-NY : 4/10/2014 12:15 pm : link
Listen to the podcast from April 2nd (RTFP #20: Greg Cosell).


ROSS TUCKER FOOTBALL PODCAST - RTFP #20: Greg Cosell - 4/02/2014 - The weekly Pre-Draft series with Greg Cosell (@Gregcosell) continues. Today Greg and Ross talk about Offensive Linemen. - ( New Window )
I've been in  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/10/2014 12:17 pm : link
the Martin camp for awhile. I think Lewan is a good prospect, but Martin is a surer thing. His versatility and his character make him a safer pick.
Wait what?!  
BarbieCarpenter : 4/10/2014 12:29 pm : link
BBI agrees with me? I need to go back and look at some more youtube tape.
Paul Dottino speaks  
GGGmen : 4/10/2014 12:34 pm : link
And you homers jump on the band wagon.
Lewan may....  
Wonderphil11 : 4/10/2014 12:34 pm : link
be a better long term OT prospect but Martin is more ready to step in day one. Also, not so sure Beatty would translate to Guard and, if they did pick Lewan, it means they have given up on Beatty and I just don't see that right now even with his bad year. For that reason, I'd be pretty surprised if they took Lewan over a much more versatile Martin.
Phil  
GGGmen : 4/10/2014 12:37 pm : link
I agree with your reasoning to am extent. We would have a hole at LT and we can find a guard later. If what you say is true then we bypass OL in the first. Take Donald and find a diamond in the rough later.
I agree  
robbieballs2003 : 4/10/2014 12:37 pm : link
I instantly liked Martin more than Lewan once I started watching them.
A hole if Beatty does not rebound  
GGGmen : 4/10/2014 12:39 pm : link
Eat his contract for this yr and let him go next. Schwartz is a starter. Pugh is versatile but can he play Center? What of Herman? Pugh was good and will only be better at RT.
RE: Lewan is athletic  
Ira : 4/10/2014 12:41 pm : link
In comment 11614216 GGGmen said:
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Lewan has a nasty demeanor.
Lewan is a better run blocker.
Lewan is a LT.


I agree with the first two, but he's not a left tackle. While he's very athletic, he has slow feet and won't be able to stay in front of athletic defensive ends.
GCGmen  
Wonderphil11 : 4/10/2014 12:44 pm : link
I would love it if they did take Donald in the first but I'm starting to think he'll definitely go before 12, unfortunately. I could also see the Giants being very intriqued by Barr's pass rushing skill set. I think if Donald and/or Barr is there, they take one of them as their pass rushing ability will be hard to find in the later rounds whereas the other positions are much more plentiful.
apples and oranges  
JonC : 4/10/2014 12:44 pm : link
Lewan is an OT in the NFL, probably an LT.

Martin is most likely best suited to OG in the NFL, and his game his nasty personified. I've been saying he's the better fit for NYG, better prospect is apples and oranges.
We will have to see how this all plays out  
GGGmen : 4/10/2014 12:45 pm : link
One thing I know is that our OL should be better regardless. Lewan has been compared to Jake Long. He seems to me to be athletic enough to be a LT. To me it's Donald or Lewan. You trade back for Martin...to 19 or so.
Barr is intriguing  
GGGmen : 4/10/2014 12:47 pm : link
To me as well if Fewell can properly utilize him. The last thing we need is Kiwi redux.
The best WR value in such a deep draft to me is in rd 2  
GGGmen : 4/10/2014 12:49 pm : link
Or better yet in rd 3. There are also a number of TEs we could use..Fedorowitz, Lynch, Nikolas, A Jenkins. This could be a yr where trading back makes sense although it is not jerry Reese's style.
It all depends on the QBs  
GGGmen : 4/10/2014 12:50 pm : link
If two or three go early we should have a tougher decision to make.
Listen to the Podcast  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/10/2014 12:50 pm : link
linked above. Ross Tucker, former NFL OL, discusses OL with Greg Cosell. Very interesting to hear their perspective.
I started to but Tucker is far from an authority in my book  
GGGmen : 4/10/2014 12:53 pm : link
How far in do they start talking Martin? I listened for a few minutes and it was jibberish.
Cossel is the best....  
Wonderphil11 : 4/10/2014 12:55 pm : link
love listening to him but Tucker is tough to take sometimes as he tends to go on and on.
WHO THE HELL CARES.....  
sameolgee-MEN : 4/10/2014 12:56 pm : link
NEITHER ONE IS A FRANCHISE TACKLE!!!!! NO OLINEMAN SHOULD GET DRAFTED IN ROUND ONE UNLESS HE IS A FRANCHISE TACKLE...PERIOD!
RE: WHO THE HELL CARES.....  
chris r : 4/10/2014 12:57 pm : link
In comment 11614336 sameolgee-MEN said:
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NEITHER ONE IS A FRANCHISE TACKLE!!!!! NO OLINEMAN SHOULD GET DRAFTED IN ROUND ONE UNLESS HE IS A FRANCHISE TACKLE...PERIOD!


Shout moar please!
Mike Iupati was the best guard prospect I have ever seen  
BarbieCarpenter : 4/10/2014 1:04 pm : link
I would have taken him before any Olineman in this draft.
If the first 3  
Headhunter : 4/10/2014 1:07 pm : link
were Manziel, Clowney & Bortles, I would trade up for Greg Robinson who will lock down LT for a decade
RE: I started to but Tucker is far from an authority in my book  
Optimus-NY : 4/10/2014 1:44 pm : link
In comment 11614327 GGGmen said:
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How far in do they start talking Martin? I listened for a few minutes and it was jibberish.


They start discussing Martin and Lewan at the 18:13 mark.
I'm listening as I type this  
GGGmen : 4/10/2014 2:21 pm : link
Tucker has no credibility. He openly says he's watched ONE game on each. He doesn't like his lateral mobility...in one game? I think he is more ready than Robinson. Only Mathews is more ready.
Runyon was a warrior for Philly  
GGGmen : 4/10/2014 2:23 pm : link
Although owned by Strahan often. I see Lewan as a very similar character.
Lewan  
AcidTest : 4/10/2014 2:25 pm : link
has a higher ceiling. Martin has a higher floor, and is a better prospect than Pugh. I'd be OK with Martin at #12.
RE: We will have to see how this all plays out  
The_Taxman : 4/10/2014 2:32 pm : link
In comment 11614312 GGGmen said:
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One thing I know is that our OL should be better regardless. Lewan has been compared to Jake Long. He seems to me to be athletic enough to be a LT. To me it's Donald or Lewan. You trade back for Martin...to 19 or so.


Martin is a top 15 pick. There is no way he's there at 19 so trading back makes no sense and is something Reese rarely does. Picking Martin at 12 is not a reach at all. Especially when you take into account he's the type of OL we value. Versatile, tough, intelligent, and good character.
An Prince was a top 10 pick  
GGGmen : 4/10/2014 2:58 pm : link
Right?
Don't know enough about the position...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/10/2014 3:21 pm : link
to offer a sound opinion of my own, but from everything I've read and seen so far, I'll be fine with selecting Martin in the first (provided we don't pass up some exceptional talent to do so).

If we select Lewan, I'll be nervous. Just based on the red flags that have popped up about him and his play, and based on evaluators that I trust.
Lewan is an OT; Martin is a G  
oipolloi : 4/10/2014 6:43 pm : link
I agree that Martin may very well turn out to be a better G than Lewan is a tackle.

But OT is a much greater value position. It is ridiculous to even compare Lewan and Martin--unless you think Martin can play OT.
oi  
Ira : 4/10/2014 6:49 pm : link
He's been starting at left tackle for Notre Dame for 4 seasons and has been team captain for two.
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