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Josh Freeman trying out for the Giants next Tues

GMEN82 : 4/11/2014 9:23 am
mike freeman & #8207;@mikefreemanNFL 6m
Source tells me Josh Freeman will work out next week for the Giants. Maybe as early as Tuesday. He recently visited the Bears.
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Does this mean we are  
Doomster : 4/11/2014 11:33 am : link
going to carry 3 QB's again and waste a another roster spot?
He's better than Curtis Painter  
jeff57 : 4/11/2014 11:46 am : link
Then, almost anyone is.
Good pick up.  
PeterS : 4/11/2014 11:54 am : link
Another QB who floundered due to weak supporting casts.
I like freeman...but please  
BCD : 4/11/2014 11:57 am : link
tell me that's not him in that picture...it cropped right?
With Freeman as backup  
Bill in UT : 4/11/2014 12:10 pm : link
we could trade Nassib for a first round pick and Painter for a high second rounder
the bitch  
area junc : 4/11/2014 12:12 pm : link
is that Eli will not be ready for OTA's now....that sucks with the new offense being installed
imagine getting ur  
area junc : 4/11/2014 12:13 pm : link
big break only 2 have ur starting QB unavailable as u begin installation??? mcadoo must be pissed
Arc & Dan Springs  
MetsAreBack : 4/11/2014 12:14 pm : link
you guys are focused on giving him a pass for his 'effort' against us last year only one week on his new team - which is fine - ....but you've completely omitted all the reports about just how bad his work ethic was as a member of the Vikings. Just do a google search.

There is a reason a team well out of contention didnt consider starting him again the rest of the season even as Ponder & Cassell continued to show week-after-week that neither was the answer.
RV tweet says Giants have also reached out to  
Cam in MO : 4/11/2014 12:23 pm : link
Matt Flynn.



Picture please  
BCD : 4/11/2014 12:25 pm : link
light on the sugar,,,
..................  
sphinx : 4/11/2014 12:28 pm : link
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 14m
Josh Freeman may not be the only vet QB the Giants workout in the near future. They have also reached out to free agent QB Matt Flynn.

And counting ...
Freeman  
Oliver : 4/11/2014 12:28 pm : link
Great potential- if developed. TC could work wonders with this kid. He is not at the end of a career; he's still at the beginning. He ran into problems at the same time the entire Bucs Organization did. That speaks volumes. He could beat out Painter throwing with his other arm. He needs a good supporting staff and good coaching, and a wake up kick in the ass. Unfortunately for him, he would be coming to a team in transition with unknowns in many respects. But he is worth a look.
MAB...  
Chris in Philly : 4/11/2014 12:29 pm : link
If he displays that work ethic here, he's gone. No harm, no foul. But his physical tools make it more worth an investment of time and coaching than a nobody like Painter...
CIP  
bradshaw44 : 4/11/2014 12:31 pm : link
You don't remember the numerous arguments on here in Freeman's first two years? I believe it was started do to an espn poll that had freeman ranked higher then Eli. And a good amount of posters piled on. And they weren't all trolls. I don't keep tabs on handles.
Please no  
ZogZerg : 4/11/2014 12:34 pm : link
I don't want any part of that train wreck.
How many draft picks do we get for Eli  
DelZotto : 4/11/2014 12:35 pm : link
I'm sure the new OC has said Eli just doesn't fit his offense and Flynn and Freeman will battle it out, not to mention the twenty million to fill out the roster.
RE: Arc & Dan Springs  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2014 12:43 pm : link
In comment 11615925 MetsAreBack said:
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you guys are focused on giving him a pass for his 'effort' against us last year only one week on his new team - which is fine - ....but you've completely omitted all the reports about just how bad his work ethic was as a member of the Vikings. Just do a google search.

There is a reason a team well out of contention didnt consider starting him again the rest of the season even as Ponder & Cassell continued to show week-after-week that neither was the answer.


I'm assuming if the Giants wind up signing him, they've done their due diligence and have reason to believe it won't continue to be an issue going forward. If it is, he's gone. I'd think a guy like Josh Freeman probably has to realize sooner than later that he's running out of chances and that he'd be best served by putting in the work to be a good player again.

Ability-wise, he's a big upgrade over the Curtis Painters of the world. If he can get his head on straight, that's a backup QB you can actually win a couple games with god-forbid Eli gets hurt.

I'd like for it to work out. If the Giants determine that his work ethic is still in question and opt not to sign him, so be it.
RE: CIP  
Chris in Philly : 4/11/2014 12:47 pm : link
In comment 11615963 bradshaw44 said:
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You don't remember the numerous arguments on here in Freeman's first two years? I believe it was started do to an espn poll that had freeman ranked higher then Eli. And a good amount of posters piled on. And they weren't all trolls. I don't keep tabs on handles.


All I remember is the righteous indignation that Eli was too low, but he has always had a cadre of haters I guess...
Is Hubbuch just being Hubbuch?  
sphinx : 4/11/2014 12:56 pm : link
Bart Hubbuch ‏@HubbuchNYP 4m
If the Giants are suddenly looking at Josh Freeman and Matt Flynn, it's not just as camp arms. Sounds like there is real concern about Eli.

Manziel  
Bill in UT : 4/11/2014 1:27 pm : link
at 12 isn't sounded as funny today, lol
It's good  
Jerry in DC : 4/11/2014 1:28 pm : link
to have an actual QB as a backup - whether it's Freeman or Flynn I don't care too much. Eli has been remarkably durable, but injuries are unpredictable. One of these guys could come in and play and potentially not be terrible.
Flynn would be the optimal backup. Solid, but no threat to Eli.  
Victor in CT : 4/11/2014 1:30 pm : link
Knows the system having played in GB, had success when called upon. And still relatively young.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2014 1:34 pm : link
Flynn knows what they ran in GB.. we aren't running GB's offense. It may have some of the same elements but I don't know why every time a Packer player comes up, someone inevitably mentions that they "already know the offense."
Necessity  
RetroJint : 4/11/2014 1:47 pm : link
for camp arms isn't as urgent sine the development of the truncated camp schedules I said this earlier in the Spring & I think it still should be considered. Eli's at the point in his career where he should take nothing for granted. If one of these guys, including Nassib, shows Reese something , change at QB could come in 15. These guys cut Phil Simms. Reese is an unsentimental prick. Could happen
RE: .  
Victor in CT : 4/11/2014 1:58 pm : link
In comment 11616086 arcarsenal said:
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Flynn knows what they ran in GB.. we aren't running GB's offense. It may have some of the same elements but I don't know why every time a Packer player comes up, someone inevitably mentions that they "already know the offense."


that's a good point arc. TC has said that it is a "new offense" that will incorporate both KGs and BMs. We'll see
Real concern over Eli?  
BlueLou : 4/11/2014 2:18 pm : link
If there IS "real" concern over Eli, it might just as well be how much longer he wants to play vs whether or not he'll bounce back well from this arthroscopic ankle procedure IMO.

Eli has at times struck me as a guy that could "walk away" easily enough whenever he feels the time is right. And the right time for him may not be, like Peyton, chasing every single career statistical passing record there is. He already has his 2nd ring. If Eli should get a 3rd ring, I can see him and TC walking out the door hand in hand.

According to their wonderlic scores, Eli is the smarter of the 2 brothers...
This is a joke, right?  
Mark in Tampa : 4/11/2014 2:29 pm : link
All I can think of is how much the Bucs wanted to unload Freeman and how thrilled I was when we played the Vikes later in the season and had to face Freeman. He was absolutely awful overthrowing receivers constantly. He's also got a pretty high opinion of himself. I, for one, don't want him.
Eli  
Dragon : 4/11/2014 2:40 pm : link
Numbers are very close to Freeman the last two years so not sure if this is a good or bad move.
Eli could also use another vet  
Simms11 : 4/11/2014 2:52 pm : link
QB in the meeting room to go over stuff with, as well. Someone that has been there when the bullets were flying. Painter, to me, is the guy who should be camp fodder. Freeman and Flynn both have some pelts. Nassib may still need fine tuning before he would be given the keys to the car. This is a good thing and is not an indictment of Eli's play or injury.
RE: Eli  
Chris in Philly : 4/11/2014 2:58 pm : link
In comment 11616189 Dragon said:
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Numbers are very close to Freeman the last two years so not sure if this is a good or bad move.


Eli: 32 Games started; 638 comp; 1087 att; 58.7 comp; 7766 yds; 44 TDs; 21 INTs

Freeman: 20 Games started; 369 comp; 705 att; 48.9 comp; 4826 yds; 29 TDs; 21 INTs

Which definition of close are you using?
It's Aaron Brooks that's better than Eli...  
SB : 4/11/2014 3:40 pm : link
...get it straight!
Eli  
Dragon : 4/11/2014 3:57 pm : link
Has sucked the last two years with numbers which are very close to Freeman like numbers when being a full time starter. In fact their career numbers are very similar except for the years played let's not act like Eli is godly ok.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2014 3:58 pm : link
^^ Wut
You're an idiot...  
Chris in Philly : 4/11/2014 4:03 pm : link
.
Chris  
Dragon : 4/11/2014 4:12 pm : link
I could be but it still does not change the facts
RE: Curtis Painter  
mdc1 : 4/11/2014 4:17 pm : link
In comment 11615668 Chef said:
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miught be the worst QB I have ever seen..

He must be involved with Quinn in the blackmail of Tom Coughlin...


what does that say about Nassib if he is behind him. Yikes
Chris  
Dragon : 4/11/2014 4:24 pm : link
Should Eli stink up the field again this year who will get the blame? The OL, RB's and Nicks have all been improved upon or sent packing.
RE: RE: Curtis Painter  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/11/2014 4:27 pm : link
In comment 11616368 mdc1 said:
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In comment 11615668 Chef said:


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miught be the worst QB I have ever seen..

He must be involved with Quinn in the blackmail of Tom Coughlin...



what does that say about Nassib if he is behind him. Yikes



Here's what it says: painter is there to be a human shield because nassib is a rookie and not prepared to play. That's it. It's not a referendum on nassib's potential or painters talent,
Better than anything we've had?  
KWALL : 4/11/2014 4:54 pm : link
Freeman is known as a lazy bum. Doesn't want to put in the time or work. Not really what you want with your backup.
There's little question Freeman is talented......  
BillKo : 4/11/2014 4:58 pm : link
he's proven it. He had one oustanding year in the league, was a high draft choice, and Tampa was preparing to build around him.

However, he's also proven to be a lazy pro athlete which has attributed to his downfall.

I wouldn't trust this guy.
RE: Better than anything we've had?  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2014 7:26 pm : link
In comment 11616423 KWALL said:
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Freeman is known as a lazy bum. Doesn't want to put in the time or work. Not really what you want with your backup.


You don't think Josh Freeman is better than Curtis Painter, David Carr, Jared Lorenzen, etc? I sure do. It's fair to question his work ethic but he's much more talented than guys like that and quite frankly it's not even that close.
great move  
HomerJones45 : 4/11/2014 8:26 pm : link
see if a little mentoring from Father Tom helps this kid's head on straight.
RE: great move  
Chris in Philly : 4/11/2014 8:39 pm : link
In comment 11616602 HomerJones45 said:
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see if a little mentoring from Father Tom helps this kid's head on straight.


And if not he's gone. Absolutely no risk and there's nothing not to like about the move. Unless of course you have an unhealthy attachment to a bully failure of a coach just because he coached your college team...
I can never figure out the objection to these low risk moves  
jcn56 : 4/11/2014 9:25 pm : link
It's not like Freeman is going to get millions. The most you're risking on him is a roster spot, which you can get back at any time.

It's almost like the hand wringing over the 7th rounder for Beason.
Something to consider  
Sneakers O'toole : 4/11/2014 9:39 pm : link
Eli is going to be coming off of surgery. That means they need QB's for OTA's and minicamp, let alone training camp if there is any sort of setback with Eli.

These two QB's, Freeman and Flynn, both have experience in aspects of the Giants offense. Freeman played under Sullivan, and Flynn came from the Packer variant of the WCO.

They may be looking for guys that can hit the ground running to help get them through the offseason, in addition to the goal of providing competition and extra arms in camp.

While Eli is limited, you still have to get work to your other skill players. QB's that have at least some idea of what you're trying to do help you get that.
RE: Eli  
Optimus-NY : 4/12/2014 7:02 am : link
In comment 11616189 Dragon said:
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Numbers are very close to Freeman the last two years so not sure if this is a good or bad move.


Say WUT?!?

#ULTI-MONGO
Dragon is the poster who thought Duke Calhoun was awesome...  
arcarsenal : 4/12/2014 9:54 am : link
So you guys will have to consider that when reading his posts.
wheres  
spike : 4/12/2014 12:04 pm : link
chris Carr?
RE: RE: Eli  
MetsAreBack : 4/12/2014 1:33 pm : link
In comment 11616230 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 11616189 Dragon said:


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Numbers are very close to Freeman the last two years so not sure if this is a good or bad move.



Eli: 32 Games started; 638 comp; 1087 att; 58.7 comp; 7766 yds; 44 TDs; 21 INTs

Freeman: 20 Games started; 369 comp; 705 att; 48.9 comp; 4826 yds; 29 TDs; 21 INTs

Which definition of close are you using?



Wait... Eli has only thrown 21 picks over the past 2 years. I challenge that. I bet its double.

But he's still a lot better than Freeman. Two superbowl rings aside (which... is kind of a big deal), at least he's not a grade A lazy asshole like Freeman is.
RE: RE: Eli  
BrettNYG10 : 4/12/2014 2:30 pm : link
In comment 11616230 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 11616189 Dragon said:


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Numbers are very close to Freeman the last two years so not sure if this is a good or bad move.



Eli: 32 Games started; 638 comp; 1087 att; 58.7 comp; 7766 yds; 44 TDs; 21 INTs

Freeman: 20 Games started; 369 comp; 705 att; 48.9 comp; 4826 yds; 29 TDs; 21 INTs

Which definition of close are you using?


Eli threw 27 picks last year and 15 in 2012. Step your fuckin' game up, kid.
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