At the end of this contract Eli will be 35 and the team is reluctant right now to extend and lower his cap number. Do you think the team may be thinking this is the last contract they plan on letting him play it out and walk at the end?
that was all on his performance, it would be his first since he just entered the league so I wouldn't use it as some kind of indicator of future abilities.
on our offense and teams performance. The interesting thing is IF we suck TC could get fired, and the team may just let Elis contract expire and let him earn the right to be a free agent.
So Elis contract getting extended isn't a 100% thing. That's why we need to show a sense of urgency to get offensive talent ASAP. A bad season could mean massive changes for us.
2 years. He is 33 now, so when his contract expires he will be 35. So it all depends on Eli and is how productive the offense and team is. If we suck, I don't see us wanting to re-sign him. In fact, it wouldn't make sense. This contract ends when he is 35 which is actually a perfect point to gauge and see what he has left by then.
Obviously we're about to cut bait with a 2 time Super Bowl MVP. Clearly his career is over based on what we saw last season.
You are aware that he is still under contract for the next two seasons. Was not suggesting they were planning on cutting bait now, but what their expectations were of him after the contract. At 35, how many more seasons does he have in him? Ultimately, I think this season is very important to his future with the team and the Giants are wise not to commit contractually this off season.
No doubt in my mind, if Eli has a year like last year he is as good as gone. Blame the OL for 2013 which I agree with, but with a better OL and he has a repeat year then I don't see him here any longer. I am huge Eli fan FYI, just being realistic about the situation.
Good timing on the surgery also, what if they reevaluate him in 4 weeks and he is still bothered by it more than he should? Do the gianta surprise everyone and grab a qb?
that his contract expires at 35 years old. It gives us a chance to reevaluate his play and the offense. The coaching staff are all on 1 year deal. So if we do have a shitty year, I doubt Coughlin comes back. So the new coach can find his QB and we can either let Eli play his final year and let the QB sit.
However, if we do poorly it has the potential to facilitate major change.
that his contract expires at 35 years old. It gives us a chance to reevaluate his play and the offense. The coaching staff are all on 1 year deal. So if we do have a shitty year, I doubt Coughlin comes back. So the new coach can find his QB and we can either let Eli play his final year and let the QB sit.
However, if we do poorly it has the potential to facilitate major change.
Anish, I thought TC and staff were on a two-year deal? I know TC will be in a lame-duck year after this year, however I believe it's still two years.
However, he is not the only QB in the NFL who has to live with protection breakdowns. To give Eli a pass for last year is ridiculous. I can't explain how the 2011 Eli became the 2013 Eli, but the guts, the mental toughness were completely absent last year. You'd have to be delusional to believe that Eli's future as a starting QB in the NFL is not at stake this season.
that his contract expires at 35 years old. It gives us a chance to reevaluate his play and the offense. The coaching staff are all on 1 year deal. So if we do have a shitty year, I doubt Coughlin comes back. So the new coach can find his QB and we can either let Eli play his final year and let the QB sit.
However, if we do poorly it has the potential to facilitate major change.
Anish, I thought TC and staff were on a two-year deal? I know TC will be in a lame-duck year after this year, however I believe it's still two years.
Yeah 2 your deal, but we did that because we don't let coaches coach in a lame duck year. So basically it's a 1 year deal. If he sucks get fired. I don't see him coming back for the 2nd year, and then adding a year because it would be another lame duck year.
It's not impossible that this new offense is a total disaster. If it is, then I think there's a chance we look elsewhere as early as 2015. That would surprise me.
I agree. I hope this system does wonders for him and the offense in general. I just don't want to see the fucking ball go one way and the WR go another. I hope this system pads his stats too. I want to see Eli over 30 TDs in a season now.
The Gmen are clearly making Eli prove that last year was an aberration as opposed to a trend. If he has another year like last, it could be. It made a ton of sense for the Gmen to rework his deal this offseason and they made it clear that they didn't want to. That tells me that he needs to bounce back this year with a better team around him.
that's why the team has to show a sense of urgency and stack this offense with talent. This isn't a 2-3 year rebuild. We don't have that time as of now. This draft has to be able to add good offensive personnel who will contribute this upcoming season.
If we do poorly, there may be no tomorrow. Let's not forget all the other contracts that could expire soon.
RR is a free agent in 2015, as is Wilson and AR.
JJ, MM are in their contract years as is the whole freaking TE corps excluding AR.
We are a juncture where this offense can be over hauled soon.
dontboobigblue : 11:12 am : link : reply
" if he plays anything like the pile of shit he played like last year he has to go.
Eli has had a weird career. He's played great in big spots for us but anyone who thinks he's a great QB is delusional."
I know that with that comment you have your head up your ass. With all that crap around your head it must be really hard to see what's happening. I would sincerely suggest you open your fly so you can watch the games closely and Eli closely. But now it's too late for you to see clearly the past facts . Soo0 zip up and live in your shitty world but be quiet so no one will know your situation.
Britt in Va: You watched a different season than I did.
Don't confuse duck and chuck with mental toughness. Eli completed 55% of his passes to Giants and 5% to the other team for a 60% completion percentage. His passer rating was 59th in the NFL which means approximately 30 back-up out- performed him as a thrower last year.
He stood behind a decimated line all the way until the last game of the season, in the pouring rain behind a patchwork line, when he didn't have to, and took a complete beating and got hurt.
You want to talk about guts and mental toughness, that's what I think about. Not statistics.
I have no idea why you responded like that. Weird.
Take it easy, you're not on the team. Just my opinion. Eli is not a great QB. He's a good QB. Clear gap between him and guys like Brees, Rodgers, Brady, and his brother.
Those guys are GREAT qbs who dominate week to week. Eli goes through painful stretches GREAT qbs don't.
Fact.
RE: Britt in Va: You watched a different season than I did.
Don't confuse duck and chuck with mental toughness. Eli completed 55% of his passes to Giants and 5% to the other team for a 60% completion percentage. His passer rating was 59th in the NFL which means approximately 30 back-up out- performed him as a thrower last year.
No that means that 20 something non-QBs who threw a pass or 2 finished above him. Eli was 35th among qualifiers, which still sucks but let's at least get the facts a little closer to reality.
He will be damn close to top 10 in all time TDs and passing yards, with 2 SB MVPs. Moreover, if we can win or at least go 8-8, during his tenure when he started this past season could be his only losing season for us when he started a full season.
The fact that the team hasn't extended him this offseason to gain additional cap space is very telling (no matter what is said publicly). This is going to be a huge season for Eli and this team. I don't want to use the term "make or break" for a 2 time Super Bowl MVP QB but this seasons will have a huge impact on how the Giants view the position going forward and whether they start planning for his replacement beginning next offseason.
been great for the giants. But he's not a great player in the grand scheme of things. He's not a great QB in todays NFL. Certainly not great in the history of NFL qbs.
You're 1000% correct. If you go to any fan base and say..
You will make a ballsy trade for a QB.
In 10 years you will have 2 SBs. He will have SB MVPs, and in that 10 years you're team will have 1 losing season. This QB will also be a class act and not an off field issue. Moreover, he will have a shot at top 10 all time in TDs and passing yards.
Would you sign for him?
Let's see how many fucking fan bases say no thanks to that.
Now it would be interesting if you told that fan base it's Eli and what their reaction would be.
Still, I want to see how many fan bases would say no thanks to that.
been great for the giants. But he's not a great player in the grand scheme of things. He's not a great QB in todays NFL. Certainly not great in the history of NFL qbs.
How do you measure greatness? Stats? I know I keep bringing him up, but Elway wasn't any sort of statistical monster.
He's remembered as a great QB, a HOF QB, because of those big moments. The 4th quarter comebacks and the clutch play.
Until his last five years, Elway regularly threw more INTs than TD's.
Eli has been a very good, but inconsistent QB that has had massive highs and massive lows. He's the best QB the Giants have ever had, when you factor in both longevity and accomplishment, but most people are going to understandably view him as the third best of his own draft class and beyond guys like Brees or Rodgers.
It is beyond wrong to say something like he's "nothing special" (and there's a fair case that he probably would have become a better player on another team) or to ever regret or question the team acquiring him like some still stupidly do, but it's not wrong to say he's not been/isn't all-time NFL great, in the big picture, either.
The joy he gave us in performing two Super Bowl winning drives is greater than the experience of the entire existence of many franchises. Add up every good moment in Eagle history and that doesn't approach the joy of the Tyree play and how that game played out. He could have retired immediately after that game and he would have been golden forever. Instead he went and did it again.
There isn't a stat line in the world that could possibly equal that. I don't give a shit at all where people rank him or if they consider him elite...what was actually done was singular and historic, and can never be undone.
told Eli before the Superbowl that he was glad it wasn't him they were facing... I don't think he was too fazed by the fact that Eli had thrown 27 INT's this year.
if Eli was the QB in Arizona, they'd have already built a statue of him in front of the stadium, and elected him lifetime Mayor.
Oh yeah and Cleveland, the Jax. Fuck, I think the teams in our division would go for it. Jerry would love 2 SBs. Eagles fans would def. do it. Redskins have been a joke for so long.
A shitty franchise would have named streets after Eli right now.
in terms of big picture. 10 years with 1 losing season is consistent and that's with 2 OCs and what, 4 DCs now? One can say, wow we must produce amazing coaches. Nope, only Spags went on in the NFL to be HC. Everyone else not so much.
Player have come, players have gone. At the end of the day, we counted on Eli, who consistently showed up and played. He never missed a game. With all that in flux, we achieved a lot and only had 1 losing season. That's freaking amazing.
If Eli was inconsistent we probably don't win SBs and we certainly would have more than 1 losing season in a decade. Once Hufangel was hired Eli became a much better player.
I am very happy for this new system. I hope we can finally do things like other QBs in other systems can do.
It's been co-opted to mean "good", when that is not actually what it means.
For example..."Peyton Manning's level of play in playoff games has consistently fallen short of his regular season performance, and his teams have suffered in the postseason as a result."
That is an accurate use of the word "consistent", and an example where consistency is not desired. I don't know why it is important to fans to be able to predict Eli's stat line...it isn't necessarily an accurate barometer of winning titles.
If stats are what you're into, great. Put Phil Rivers's stats in a frame and hang them on your wall.
I measure greatness on the ability to dominate each and every week for seasons on end. Eli doesn't do that. He routinely has major swoons during the season.
The top QBs in TODAYS NFL don't do that. Peyton Manning, Brady, Rogers, Brees are dominate qbs. They put up yards, tds, etc and throw WAAAAY less touchdowns. Those players are significantly better than Eli. He hasn't come close to having the type of season those players have had. He's never had anything close to an MVP caliber season.
I love the guy. Great Giant. Champion. But he's not a great qb.
I call Rivers Mr. Stats. Same with Romo. They don't do shit, more so Romo in elevating their franchise with playoff wins and SBs, but hey, they do get stats year after year.
If Eli can do that now the rest of his career, that would be awesome since he already has the SB wins.
Rodgers absolutely 100% deserved to win, as things fell out and how it's voted on, but there probably wasn't a player in the league as critical to his team not being a steaming heap of shit as Eli was that season.
The joy he gave us in performing two Super Bowl winning drives is greater than the experience of the entire existence of many franchises. Add up every good moment in Eagle history and that doesn't approach the joy of the Tyree play and how that game played out. He could have retired immediately after that game and he would have been golden forever. Instead he went and did it again.
There isn't a stat line in the world that could possibly equal that. I don't give a shit at all where people rank him or if they consider him elite...what was actually done was singular and historic, and can never be undone.
Eli is not a robot like Peyton. He helped orchestrate the greatest upset in NFL history and also the greatest play.
Honestly, I don't think we win Eli's first Super Bowl if Peyton or anybody else for that matter was the Giants QB for that game. Eli completed passes that very few QBs would even attempt. That is what has made Eli both great and horribly inconsistent.
I was hoping for more discussion about what Eli will be for the next two years in this thread and what the Giants may be planning with him. Many people though seem to be thinking along the same lines as me. There isn't a plan to let him go after two seasons, but they are leaving it possible to do so if it becomes necessary.
That's cool, I think Eli is a lot like Elway, minus the legs...
If he sucks for the 3rd year in a row, it would be pretty dumb for the Giants to continue donating $20 million a year to his estate. If he plays well, there's a case for keeping him around.
He's been one of the most overpaid players in the league for the past two years and he's getting old. Committing to an old, expensive QB who's playing terrible football isn't exactly a recipe for success. But if he comes back strong we could get a few more years out of him.
It's been co-opted to mean "good", when that is not actually what it means.
For example..."Peyton Manning's level of play in playoff games has consistently fallen short of his regular season performance, and his teams have suffered in the postseason as a result."
That is an accurate use of the word "consistent", and an example where consistency is not desired. I don't know why it is important to fans to be able to predict Eli's stat line...it isn't necessarily an accurate barometer of winning titles.
If stats are what you're into, great. Put Phil Rivers's stats in a frame and hang them on your wall.
Eli's inconsistencies are more from one play or drive to another.
Watching Eli, I expect him to attempt very high risk passes. Sometimes it works out, the famous Tyree helmet catch, other times that same pass turns into an interception. If you look at that play, it was a very high risk stupid play to attempt, but it worked so he is a hero and he should be. Without that play we don't win and Eli knows that, he takes the risks because if he doesn't we will lose anyway. He'd rather lose by trying, and I for one love rooting for him because of it. It is why I can deal with those "boneheaded" interceptions as a fan, because without his willingness to take those risks, I'd have watched 3(maybe 2) SB victories and not 4.
Play next year, identifying and figuring out how to obtain his successor, seeing if that candidate is really going to be able to do the job, OL and WR quality, stuff like that blurs the picture. If Eli can still play well at 34, he can do it for a couple of more years while all those other things get worked out. Then he gets a new deal. Otherwise not, especially if the pieces needed for QB success are still not in place.
It's been co-opted to mean "good", when that is not actually what it means.
For example..."Peyton Manning's level of play in playoff games has consistently fallen short of his regular season performance, and his teams have suffered in the postseason as a result."
That is an accurate use of the word "consistent", and an example where consistency is not desired. I don't know why it is important to fans to be able to predict Eli's stat line...it isn't necessarily an accurate barometer of winning titles.
If stats are what you're into, great. Put Phil Rivers's stats in a frame and hang them on your wall.
This 1000x. I could not agree more, consistent the word is always misued by the sports media.
Also true that stats in football mean very little.
Those guys are GREAT qbs who dominate week to week. Eli goes through painful stretches GREAT qbs don't.
Fact.
Really Aaron rodgers in 2010 got lucky and had to win their way into the playoffs like the Giants did in 2007. Brees without Sean Payton looked like....Shit.
Eli has beaten them both on the way to beating Brady twice... i hate revisionist football.
If he doesn't, well, as a franchise you make a business decision to move on, because QB play is the most important factor for sustained success.
Whatever the case, after the first SB, Eli could've retired and I'd have loved him forever. After the second SB, well, as long as he doesn't turn into some heinous criminal, Eli will always be my favorite Giant. That first SB was the happiest sporting moment of my life.
Really Aaron rodgers in 2010 got lucky and had to win their way into the playoffs like the Giants did in 2007. Brees without Sean Payton looked like....Shit.
Eli has beaten them both on the way to beating Brady twice... i hate revisionist football.
When did Eli beat Brees on the way to beating Brady?
The Giants are reluctant to restructure/extend now
been great for the giants. But he's not a great player in the grand scheme of things. He's not a great QB in todays NFL. Certainly not great in the history of NFL qbs.
not a great QB in today's NFL? maybe because he was running yesterday's offense?
Not sure Eli will chose to stick around if we don't fix the mess of an OL we've handed him since 2011.
He doesn't have much left to prove, he'll never be "as good" as his big brother, and he just seems to be the type that would be happy spending more time with family and other pursuits rather than the daily and seasonal grind of pro football from age 35 to 40...
Not too sure Eli would want to play elsewhere, either.
I wonder the people who think a guy like Troy Aikman is an all time great forget the fact that Aikman had like two 3,000 yard seasons and 1 20+ TD season.
Two years that is all that is written in stone. I have been thinking about it over the last few months other players were cut and taking pay cuts. Eli Manning will not be the starting QB for this team at the end of decade. Giants rightfully are going to expect a significantly smaller contract when this one is up.
Basically. It's smart what they're doing. The Giants are simply not boxing themselves in, that's all.
And I DON'T gamble.
So Elis contract getting extended isn't a 100% thing. That's why we need to show a sense of urgency to get offensive talent ASAP. A bad season could mean massive changes for us.
2 years. He is 33 now, so when his contract expires he will be 35. So it all depends on Eli and is how productive the offense and team is. If we suck, I don't see us wanting to re-sign him. In fact, it wouldn't make sense. This contract ends when he is 35 which is actually a perfect point to gauge and see what he has left by then.
Good timing on the surgery also, what if they reevaluate him in 4 weeks and he is still bothered by it more than he should? Do the gianta surprise everyone and grab a qb?
However, if we do poorly it has the potential to facilitate major change.
However, if we do poorly it has the potential to facilitate major change.
Anish, I thought TC and staff were on a two-year deal? I know TC will be in a lame-duck year after this year, however I believe it's still two years.
I think some of his best years may still be ahead of him.
I've always compared Eli to Elway, and Elway's best years were his last five or six.
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that his contract expires at 35 years old. It gives us a chance to reevaluate his play and the offense. The coaching staff are all on 1 year deal. So if we do have a shitty year, I doubt Coughlin comes back. So the new coach can find his QB and we can either let Eli play his final year and let the QB sit.
However, if we do poorly it has the potential to facilitate major change.
Anish, I thought TC and staff were on a two-year deal? I know TC will be in a lame-duck year after this year, however I believe it's still two years.
Yeah 2 your deal, but we did that because we don't let coaches coach in a lame duck year. So basically it's a 1 year deal. If he sucks get fired. I don't see him coming back for the 2nd year, and then adding a year because it would be another lame duck year.
That the guts and mental toughness were at an all time high last year.
Eli has had a weird career. He's played great in big spots for us but anyone who thinks he's a great QB is delusional.
If we do poorly, there may be no tomorrow. Let's not forget all the other contracts that could expire soon.
RR is a free agent in 2015, as is Wilson and AR.
JJ, MM are in their contract years as is the whole freaking TE corps excluding AR.
We are a juncture where this offense can be over hauled soon.
That's why I want this draft to have a sense of urgency to fix this offense. It's now or never there is no 2-3 rebuild period.
dontboobigblue : 11:12 am : link : reply
" if he plays anything like the pile of shit he played like last year he has to go.
Eli has had a weird career. He's played great in big spots for us but anyone who thinks he's a great QB is delusional."
I know that with that comment you have your head up your ass. With all that crap around your head it must be really hard to see what's happening. I would sincerely suggest you open your fly so you can watch the games closely and Eli closely. But now it's too late for you to see clearly the past facts . Soo0 zip up and live in your shitty world but be quiet so no one will know your situation.
He stood behind a decimated line all the way until the last game of the season, in the pouring rain behind a patchwork line, when he didn't have to, and took a complete beating and got hurt.
You want to talk about guts and mental toughness, that's what I think about. Not statistics.
Take it easy, you're not on the team. Just my opinion. Eli is not a great QB. He's a good QB. Clear gap between him and guys like Brees, Rodgers, Brady, and his brother.
Those guys are GREAT qbs who dominate week to week. Eli goes through painful stretches GREAT qbs don't.
Fact.
No that means that 20 something non-QBs who threw a pass or 2 finished above him. Eli was 35th among qualifiers, which still sucks but let's at least get the facts a little closer to reality.
That's pretty damn good.
In the big picture, he's had a phenominal career, if it ended today, no matter how you slice it.
A lot of you are going to miss him when he's gone.
Ding ding ding!
The fact that the team hasn't extended him this offseason to gain additional cap space is very telling (no matter what is said publicly). This is going to be a huge season for Eli and this team. I don't want to use the term "make or break" for a 2 time Super Bowl MVP QB but this seasons will have a huge impact on how the Giants view the position going forward and whether they start planning for his replacement beginning next offseason.
AND Eli to Manningham. Plus Super Bowl 42 will go down as one of the greatest games ever played.
You will make a ballsy trade for a QB.
In 10 years you will have 2 SBs. He will have SB MVPs, and in that 10 years you're team will have 1 losing season. This QB will also be a class act and not an off field issue. Moreover, he will have a shot at top 10 all time in TDs and passing yards.
Would you sign for him?
Let's see how many fucking fan bases say no thanks to that.
Now it would be interesting if you told that fan base it's Eli and what their reaction would be.
Still, I want to see how many fan bases would say no thanks to that.
How do you measure greatness? Stats? I know I keep bringing him up, but Elway wasn't any sort of statistical monster.
He's remembered as a great QB, a HOF QB, because of those big moments. The 4th quarter comebacks and the clutch play.
Until his last five years, Elway regularly threw more INTs than TD's.
Eli has been a very good, but inconsistent QB that has had massive highs and massive lows. He's the best QB the Giants have ever had, when you factor in both longevity and accomplishment, but most people are going to understandably view him as the third best of his own draft class and beyond guys like Brees or Rodgers.
It is beyond wrong to say something like he's "nothing special" (and there's a fair case that he probably would have become a better player on another team) or to ever regret or question the team acquiring him like some still stupidly do, but it's not wrong to say he's not been/isn't all-time NFL great, in the big picture, either.
There isn't a stat line in the world that could possibly equal that. I don't give a shit at all where people rank him or if they consider him elite...what was actually done was singular and historic, and can never be undone.
Oh yeah and Cleveland, the Jax. Fuck, I think the teams in our division would go for it. Jerry would love 2 SBs. Eagles fans would def. do it. Redskins have been a joke for so long.
A shitty franchise would have named streets after Eli right now.
Eli is not a robot like Peyton. He helped orchestrate the greatest upset in NFL history and also the greatest play.
Player have come, players have gone. At the end of the day, we counted on Eli, who consistently showed up and played. He never missed a game. With all that in flux, we achieved a lot and only had 1 losing season. That's freaking amazing.
If Eli was inconsistent we probably don't win SBs and we certainly would have more than 1 losing season in a decade. Once Hufangel was hired Eli became a much better player.
I am very happy for this new system. I hope we can finally do things like other QBs in other systems can do.
For example..."Peyton Manning's level of play in playoff games has consistently fallen short of his regular season performance, and his teams have suffered in the postseason as a result."
That is an accurate use of the word "consistent", and an example where consistency is not desired. I don't know why it is important to fans to be able to predict Eli's stat line...it isn't necessarily an accurate barometer of winning titles.
If stats are what you're into, great. Put Phil Rivers's stats in a frame and hang them on your wall.
The top QBs in TODAYS NFL don't do that. Peyton Manning, Brady, Rogers, Brees are dominate qbs. They put up yards, tds, etc and throw WAAAAY less touchdowns. Those players are significantly better than Eli. He hasn't come close to having the type of season those players have had. He's never had anything close to an MVP caliber season.
I love the guy. Great Giant. Champion. But he's not a great qb.
If Eli can do that now the rest of his career, that would be awesome since he already has the SB wins.
He's universally accepted as one. Eli is not.
There isn't a stat line in the world that could possibly equal that. I don't give a shit at all where people rank him or if they consider him elite...what was actually done was singular and historic, and can never be undone.
Bravo!!!! Well said!!!!
Eli is not a robot like Peyton. He helped orchestrate the greatest upset in NFL history and also the greatest play.
I was hoping for more discussion about what Eli will be for the next two years in this thread and what the Giants may be planning with him. Many people though seem to be thinking along the same lines as me. There isn't a plan to let him go after two seasons, but they are leaving it possible to do so if it becomes necessary.
He played at a time where his peers like Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly were putting up monster statistical seasons passing the ball.
Greatness isn't always measured by numbers.
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And Jim Kelly. He rather chose to leave the NFL than play in Buffalo. The league or team folded and then he came back to Buffalo.
He's been one of the most overpaid players in the league for the past two years and he's getting old. Committing to an old, expensive QB who's playing terrible football isn't exactly a recipe for success. But if he comes back strong we could get a few more years out of him.
For example..."Peyton Manning's level of play in playoff games has consistently fallen short of his regular season performance, and his teams have suffered in the postseason as a result."
That is an accurate use of the word "consistent", and an example where consistency is not desired. I don't know why it is important to fans to be able to predict Eli's stat line...it isn't necessarily an accurate barometer of winning titles.
If stats are what you're into, great. Put Phil Rivers's stats in a frame and hang them on your wall.
Watching Eli, I expect him to attempt very high risk passes. Sometimes it works out, the famous Tyree helmet catch, other times that same pass turns into an interception. If you look at that play, it was a very high risk stupid play to attempt, but it worked so he is a hero and he should be. Without that play we don't win and Eli knows that, he takes the risks because if he doesn't we will lose anyway. He'd rather lose by trying, and I for one love rooting for him because of it. It is why I can deal with those "boneheaded" interceptions as a fan, because without his willingness to take those risks, I'd have watched 3(maybe 2) SB victories and not 4.
For example..."Peyton Manning's level of play in playoff games has consistently fallen short of his regular season performance, and his teams have suffered in the postseason as a result."
That is an accurate use of the word "consistent", and an example where consistency is not desired. I don't know why it is important to fans to be able to predict Eli's stat line...it isn't necessarily an accurate barometer of winning titles.
If stats are what you're into, great. Put Phil Rivers's stats in a frame and hang them on your wall.
This 1000x. I could not agree more, consistent the word is always misued by the sports media.
Also true that stats in football mean very little.
Those guys are GREAT qbs who dominate week to week. Eli goes through painful stretches GREAT qbs don't.
Fact.
Really Aaron rodgers in 2010 got lucky and had to win their way into the playoffs like the Giants did in 2007. Brees without Sean Payton looked like....Shit.
Eli has beaten them both on the way to beating Brady twice... i hate revisionist football.
Whatever the case, after the first SB, Eli could've retired and I'd have loved him forever. After the second SB, well, as long as he doesn't turn into some heinous criminal, Eli will always be my favorite Giant. That first SB was the happiest sporting moment of my life.
The Giants got EXACTLY what they wanted when the traded for him in 2004.
Eli has beaten them both on the way to beating Brady twice... i hate revisionist football.
When did Eli beat Brees on the way to beating Brady?
Well said.
not a great QB in today's NFL? maybe because he was running yesterday's offense?
Not sure Eli will chose to stick around if we don't fix the mess of an OL we've handed him since 2011.
He doesn't have much left to prove, he'll never be "as good" as his big brother, and he just seems to be the type that would be happy spending more time with family and other pursuits rather than the daily and seasonal grind of pro football from age 35 to 40...
Not too sure Eli would want to play elsewhere, either.