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Per NFLN's Daniel Jeremiah: Giants Looking to Trade Up?

area junc : 4/11/2014 10:04 am
The NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah suggested this morning that the Giants could be looking to move up in the first round of the draft to take Michigan OT Taylor Lewan.

Per BBWC article:

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Taylor Lewan said at the NFL scouting combine that he was not involved in an alleged rape case that resulted in a players removal from the University of Michigan. The student in question was “permanently separated” from the university as of mid-December for violating the school’s Student Sexual Misconduct Policy in 2009.

The victim accused Lewan of threatening her to be quiet.
— “I’m going to rape her because, [Gibbons] didn’t.” Is the offending phrase.

Lewan told the media Thursday that he never made that comment. Why should we believe him and not the girl? What does she have to gain by telling the school this?

“I’ve said a lot of dumb things, but those are not things I’ve said. I would never disrespect a woman like that. I consider myself a guy who holds doors, not threatens people.”...

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Lewan also reportedly was under investigation recently for a possible assault that followed Michigan’s loss to Ohio State at the end of the 2013 season. He denied that he was involved in that situation, as well.

“I wasn’t in any fight,” Lewan said. “That’s not who I am off the field.”

Michael Schofield, the Wolverines’ starting right tackle for the past two seasons and Lewan’s former roommate, mentioned that several of the teams he has met with thus far have inquired about Lewan, both as a person and a player.

They have asked about Lewan “a lot. I understand it,” Schofield said. “Just like what kind of guy is he, what kind of leader is he."

Now Lewan is again in court. A tape has been passed around scouting circles that shows Lewan to be ONE OF THE DIRTIEST players in college ball which judging by what he has shown so far of his personality should not come as a surprise. Lewan's often walked the line between hard-nosed and dirty, with a helmet-twisting incident against Michigan State’s Isaiah Lewis this past season a prime example. And whether it’s fair to Lewan or not, the situation between Richie Incognito and Jonathan Martin in Miami will have teams approaching any potential behavioral wild cards with extreme caution.

Scouting Article Taylor Lewan - ( New Window )
So they show all the bad aspects to Lewan  
Randy in CT : 4/11/2014 10:07 am : link
and then go on to say that not only are the Giants interested, but they are also looking to trade up to make sure they get him? Is that right?
If we're trading up  
bceagle05 : 4/11/2014 10:08 am : link
we might as well go for one of the blue chippers - we're in a position to do so at #12. But a trade up for Lewan? Ugh.
I think it's safe to say  
lugnut : 4/11/2014 10:10 am : link
that Daniel Jeremiah is a complete moron, if he really wrote/said that. He can't possibly have sources telligg him that.

There will be numerous great players for us at #12 -- no need to trade up. What's more, if all the negatives about Lewan are making the rounds, his stock is going to fall. So why is there even going to be a "need" to trade up for him? Comical!
NO.  
old man : 4/11/2014 10:11 am : link
Unless its a 2015 pick(s), in what will like be a very meh draft, JR will not waste 2014 picks with so many needs, in a deep draft, to move up 1-2-3-4? spots.
Or else, he will be VERY unemployed quickly.
You can't 'fix the offense' without the players on offense, especially the younger, faster ones.
My link didn't go to the article...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/11/2014 10:11 am : link
So if I'm reading this right, it was the NFLN who said the Giants were looking to trade up for Lewan, then the other article detailed the character issues.

Is that correct?
OK  
Giants : 4/11/2014 10:13 am : link
And whether it’s fair to Lewan or not, the situation between Richie Incognito and Jonathan Martin in Miami will have teams approaching any potential behavioral wild cards with extreme caution.

So extreme caution means you try to trade up to get him?? Really. I'm not saying I'm just saying
not buying  
Victor in CT : 4/11/2014 10:13 am : link
they don't have enough picks anyway.
I don't want to trade up. Not in a draft this deep.  
GiantFilthy : 4/11/2014 10:14 am : link
If we do it better not be for Lewan. If you are going to fuck away half of your picks why not go for Watkins, Matthews, Robinson, Clowney?
RE: My link didn't go to the article...  
area junc : 4/11/2014 10:15 am : link
In comment 11615666 Dan in the Springs said:
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So if I'm reading this right, it was the NFLN who said the Giants were looking to trade up for Lewan, then the other article detailed the character issues.

Is that correct?



Yessir,sorry for the confusion
In past years  
Matt in SGS : 4/11/2014 10:17 am : link
we have heard about a willingness on Reese's part to trade up for a player if he falls to a value spot, but he's never had to actually pull the trigger.

Two examples in the past: CJ Spiller and Darrius Heyward-Bey. In both cases, Reese had reportedly his eyes on trading up if they slipped past a certain point. In both cases, they never reached that point in which the Giants value algorithm made sense to make the deal. Spiller was taken 9th overall by the Bills. The Giants picked 15th that year (they got JPP), and if I recall, I think they were readying a deal if he went past the top 10 and get ahead of San Diego who wanted a RB. But he went too early, the Giants were not going to overpay, so they stayed where they were.

Heyward-Bey was another one, Reese had said that he was his top target a WR, but the Raiders went nuts and took him #7 over all, way to high and it never made any sense for the Giants to try to go for him. The Giants would stay at 29 and pick Nicks.

So I wouldn't doubt reports that the Giants have eyes on players and would consider a trade up to get them if it made sense. But we've seen proof that Reese does not overpay to get a player. Usually when you overpay to get a guy, it blows up in your face (see Ricky Williams in New Orleans).
Trading up for Lewan  
Bill in UT : 4/11/2014 10:18 am : link
would be insanity. I don't think even Marc Ross is that dumb
Please do not trade up  
A Aron Balakey : 4/11/2014 10:18 am : link
Period. I don't care who it's for this draft is way too deep and we have several holes to plug.
Trading up or reaching  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/11/2014 10:20 am : link
In this years draft would be monumentally dumb. Heck trade down 5-10 spots a grab an extra 2nd or 3 bit up? The Giants aren't one player away from the Super Bowl and despite Eli playing badly they don't need one of the QBs.

Best hope for the Giants is a run on the QBs. Of one falls to 12 and they can move back a bit. And extra 2nd or 3 would be great. As long as they don't instantly trade it away for another Siniorce Moss.
considering that the Giants  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/11/2014 10:20 am : link
haven't even assembled their draft board yet - Mr Jeremiah is either making this stuff up - or someone made it up for him so he could sound important
gidie  
Matt in SGS : 4/11/2014 10:22 am : link
or it's Lewan's agent feeding this crap in order to get his clients name in the press and change the conversation from his troubles at Michigan.
RE: gidie  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/11/2014 10:31 am : link
In comment 11615698 Matt in SGS said:
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or it's Lewan's agent feeding this crap in order to get his clients name in the press and change the conversation from his troubles at Michigan.


Matt, agents leaking shut in the press? That happens?

Falling in love w any player is dangerous. Sometimes it works out bit most often it seems to hurt the team.
His own teammates reported him for that threat...  
Dunedin81 : 4/11/2014 10:33 am : link
Even if he's not a world class piece of shit and that allegation is false, he's still a dirty player and the tape still does not quite measure up to the measurables. I'd be happy with a trade-up for Robinson or Matthews but I don't want to see Lewan at all, much less for a premium.
I see no precedent in recent years  
ATL_Giant : 4/11/2014 10:34 am : link
that would support the Giants letting information like this get out.
So it's  
AnishPatel : 4/11/2014 10:35 am : link
not really a rumor? Basically DJ is saying it COULD happen? Great, and I guess it works the other way too that we COULD NOT trade up.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/11/2014 10:36 am : link
I'd be on board with trading up for someone like Robinson or Watkins. Lewan? Meh. If he's there at 12 I would be happy taking him but I wouldn't trade away picks to do it.
RE: I see no precedent in recent years  
Matt in SGS : 4/11/2014 10:36 am : link
In comment 11615723 ATL_Giant said:
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that would support the Giants letting information like this get out.


There is only one answer here

If we do I hope it's because one of the real studs...  
Britt in VA : 4/11/2014 10:38 am : link
like Watkins or Clowney has dropped just enough to think about it.
If  
BIG FRED : 4/11/2014 10:42 am : link
they are trading up it better be for Clowney ,Matthews or Watkins
Draft board well in progress  
JonC : 4/11/2014 10:44 am : link
This sounds like Lewan's agent trying to drum up interest.
also confirmed that the eagles  
area junc : 4/11/2014 10:44 am : link
(no surprise) working to trade up high for mike evans
I saw this bit  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/11/2014 10:47 am : link
this morning...it was pure speculation...talking about what teams may trade up.
I don't know about this morning  
sjnyfan : 4/11/2014 11:00 am : link
but there was a segment on last night's Path to the Draft all about who they THOUGHT would be a a good team to trade up and for whom. Time filler. Like Eric said, speculation.
A slightly different take on this  
rich in DC : 4/11/2014 11:13 am : link
I am beginning to believe that the Giants believe that they have addressed the depth issues in FA. However, they need more impact or high-end guys.

The problem is that if you trade up from #12, you are essentially trading one potential high end guy plus picks, for another guy with the potential to be a slightly higher end guy.

Instead, I think the Giants stay right where they are and pick PBA at #12, but that I think it is increasingly likely that they will trade up from #43 into the back end of the 1st round.

That way, they get the best player to fall to them, and then can get a second guy at a position of need that fits their trade value board.

For example, let's say that one of the WR falls to #12, the Giants take him, then trade up into the mid low 20's to get a Jace Amaro or high end DB or OG who falls farther than anticipated.

Another example, let's say one of the two big OTs makes it to #12- the Giants take him, then trade up into the end of the 1st to get a hgih end WR or a TE like Amaro.
rich,  
Randy in CT : 4/11/2014 11:15 am : link
I've wondered about them trading up from their second pick too.
My  
NJGiantFan84 : 4/11/2014 11:27 am : link
guess is we don't take Lewan if he is there at 12 unless Davis, Ebron & Donald are gone & nobody who fits surprisngly falls to us.. So I don't necessarily agree.

Of course, this is just my opinion & I could absolutely be wrong about either point. But I'd be surprised at a trade up for Lewan.
I hate  
Doomster : 4/11/2014 11:39 am : link
the Detroit Lions....
I hate  
Doomster : 4/11/2014 11:41 am : link
the Detroit Lions....
with so many holes to fill  
vinnieNJ : 4/11/2014 11:44 am : link
It would be more realistic to trade out and acquire more picks. Being that this draft is so deep we can still get a good pick in 1st round and perhaps an additional pick in the later rounds.
If we traded up  
PaulN : 4/11/2014 11:54 am : link
For that player I would be shocked, and I would really be concerned about Reese's approach. If I know Reese, he will not trade up, nor trade down, he will stay put,m why, he was trained by Accorsi, who was trained by Young, that is why.
A point that has me concerned is  
PeterS : 4/11/2014 12:01 pm : link
scouts questioning one player about another. What's to stop the first player from lying about the second?
I highly doubt it  
ZogZerg : 4/11/2014 12:38 pm : link
The need quality and quantity
reese will trade  
SBlue46 : 4/11/2014 12:46 pm : link
Up to get qb...
Players worth trading up  
Reale01 : 4/11/2014 12:48 pm : link
IF THEY FALL PAST #5.
Watkins, Clowney, Mack

Not worth it for Robinson, Mathews, Lewan as Martin could be picked for sure at #12. Lewan likely at #12.

Not Evans since the WR group is so deep.

No corners or safeties due to current roster

Barr not worth it.


FUCK no to trading up for lewan  
Neverend : 4/11/2014 1:08 pm : link
if we're doing it, it better be for Watkins or clowney.
I agree that the giants  
Hades07 : 4/11/2014 1:31 pm : link
Trading their 2nd rounder to move up to the end of the 1st is more likely than them trading up into the top ten with the twelfth pick.
Buffalo is rumored to be looking for a QB in round one.  
wgenesis123 : 4/11/2014 1:39 pm : link
They had interest in Nassib last year. Swap spots with the Giants for Nassib and Buffalo gets its QB and retains a first round pick.
lugnut nailed it!  
nicky43 : 4/11/2014 2:16 pm : link
No reason to trade up for Lewan. He will likely fall to us but if you are going to trade up, you trade up for Robinson or Mathews, certainly not Lewan.
Like some posters above said,  
Metnut : 4/11/2014 2:38 pm : link
I wouldn't mind tradine up for Watkins or Clowney, but I'm not sure it's worth giving up another pick to get Lewan. Why not just draft Martin and use our 2nd to take a TE or a DL?
Why  
AcidTest : 4/11/2014 2:39 pm : link
would we trade up for Lewan when the overwhelming likelihood is that he will be available at #12? Jerry should be fired on the spot for doing that, especially given Lewan's character concerns. I don't even want him at #12, but trading up for him is crazy.
Trade up for lewan?  
nyynyg : 4/11/2014 2:41 pm : link
jc, i would rather draft a QB at 12.
IF WE TRADE UP  
BillyBoy8384 : 4/11/2014 3:38 pm : link
IT BETTER BE FOR WATKINS ONLY!!!
RE: Why  
OC : 4/11/2014 3:39 pm : link
In comment 11616186 AcidTest said:
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would we trade up for Lewan when the overwhelming likelihood is that he will be available at #12? Jerry should be fired on the spot for doing that, especially given Lewan's character concerns. I don't even want him at #12, but trading up for him is crazy.


You ain't shittin'. But I don't think that's even in the thought process.
I was hoping  
Spock : 4/11/2014 3:59 pm : link
We had lost the last two games so we wouldn't have to trade up.
So  
Mr. Nickels : 4/11/2014 4:07 pm : link
then we AREN'T
This place is going to be a fun ride  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/11/2014 4:14 pm : link
When/if they don't take Taylor Lewan.
Was this on NFL AM?  
BillKo : 4/11/2014 4:55 pm : link
If so, I wouldn't believe it. They need to fill in a few hours five days a week, and the show completely sucks.

I bet if you documented it, every team is rumored to be doing something per that show..............
If the rumor is that they are looking to move up specifically for  
BlueLou : 4/11/2014 7:11 pm : link
Lewan, almost certainly they don't really want him.
Lewan  
blue42 : 4/11/2014 9:43 pm : link
Isn't the target of a trade up. It's either Watkins or Mack.
It isn't a rumor  
Sneakers O'toole : 4/11/2014 9:46 pm : link
it's just a guy filling time discussing trade ups. It's not based on anything real. It's just empty talk. 24 hour sports media creates a need for a lot of empty talk.
It makes some sense, but only if the QBs really are falling  
Bob in Newburgh : 4/12/2014 11:23 am : link
At 12 the Giants are in fine shape as long as Bortles, Bridgewater, and Manziel actually go before they pick.
RE: I don't want to trade up. Not in a draft this deep.  
Paulie Walnuts : 4/13/2014 1:45 pm : link
In comment 11615673 GiantFilthy said:
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If we do it better not be for Lewan. If you are going to fuck away half of your picks why not go for Watkins, Matthews, Robinson, Clowney?


agree with Filthy
I've seen some tradeups that didn't cost that much  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/13/2014 1:49 pm : link
like when the Jets traded up for Sanchez. I could see a value trade up for sure. If swapping 1sts and adding a 4th nets you a blue chip? Do it all day long.
The Giants may trade up if  
mrvax : 4/13/2014 1:55 pm : link
they get good info that another team plans to draft Donald before the Giant's pick.
Trade up for who?  
AnishPatel : 4/13/2014 2:23 pm : link
Donald if a team plans to get him?
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