@RVacchianoNYDN: Josh Freeman may not be the only vet QB the Giants workout in the near future. They have also reached out to free agent QB Matt Flynn.
Is Nassib really that bad that we can't rely on him as the #2 QB this season (and only carry 2 on the roster)? Could this be insurance in case there are complications with Eli's ankle? Something doesn't add up.
I wonder if there is more to this surgery than they are Â
if only to have him around for the summer to help install new offensive schemes as someone that may know them pretty well. Josh Freeman, maybe not so much.
bodies for workouts until Eli is ready to go in 6+ weeks. Also, until they see Nassib through pre-season they need a vet on the roster just in case Eli is out.
Probably similar systems to Green Bay, but we don't know that yet. Remember TC has his stamp on this offense too. But I agree that McAdoo knows Flynn and Flynn will probably understand the terminology too.
who sees all this as insurance for trading Nassib for draft picks? If the reports about them wanting to move up is true, perhaps they trade up and deal nassib or just acquire additional picks?
its dissapointing because it suggests we are going to waste another roster spot carrying an additional QB that might be better used on another position.
who sees all this as insurance for trading Nassib for draft picks? If the reports about them wanting to move up is true, perhaps they trade up and deal nassib or just acquire additional picks?
I don't know that there are many teams who would want to trade picks for Nassib. His body of work in the NFL is zero.
RE: What a fucking waste of 2 draft picks on Nassib Â
...Nassib was picked as and is still regarded as a developmental prospect; a long-term developmental prospect. What happens to him in the future has nothing to do with where he is today. That's why he wasn't thrown into the fire last year. No point in ruining him behind a makeshift line, plus he's just not anywhere near ready.
I want to see what he may do in a more short-passing-oriented scheme (not that I have any inkling what MacAdoo and TC are cooking up, mind you).
The idea of anyone trading anything, even a used jock strap, for him at this point is just ludicrous. I could be more insulting, but why bother?
Bossman. Seriously, choke on a syphilitic dick. Please. Pretty please with jism on top.
probably...but you may not think that if Eli doesn't rebound in 2014.
that's a good point Eric, but I don't think Nassib is going to be the answer. If he was that good he wouldn't have lasted til Round 4. Who knows though, Tim Rattay and Tom Brady were a coin flip away from being on differnt teams in Round 6.
What I do know is that it took 10 years before Phil Simms was truly replaced, and that in most cases it takes a 1st Rounder to find big time QB. And all the Eli haters will come out of the woodwork saying how great he was after he is retired and the parade of Hostetlers, Browns, Grahams and Kannells starts.
But organized team activity sessions begin on May 28, not long after the 33-year-old Manning is scheduled to resume running, and he won’t likely be fully ready for drills then. According to several sources, the expectation is Manning will either not be ready for, or held back from most of the OTAs this spring and possibly even the full-team mini-camp in mid-June. So there will be a lot of on-field work that he’ll miss.
That’s why the team is expected to look at several veterans, such as the 26-year-old Freeman and the 28-year-old Flynn. The Giants do have veteran Curtis Painter and second-year pro Ryan Nassib on the roster, but they’ll need at least one more quarterback to run their spring drills. Link - ( New Window )
its dissapointing because it suggests we are going to waste another roster spot carrying an additional QB that might be better used on another position.
Or they're looking for a guy to throw in OTAs while Eli is healing up.
And if worse comes to worst and the team does need three quarterbacks on the roster, I'd rather see somebody beat out Curtis Painter for the primary backup spot.
probably...but you may not think that if Eli doesn't rebound in 2014.
If Eli doesn't rebound, it seems highly unlikely that the Giants are going to rely on a former 4th round pick to replace him. I think they would probably draft a QB in the first or second round next year.
Maybe Buffalo will take Nassib to swap spots in round one. Â
They are rumored to be looking for another QB in round one. They had interest in Nassib last year. They could get their QB and retain a first round pick.
Nothing wrong with bringing in another veteran QB Â
Every move the Giants make doesn't mean that someone sucks. Sometimes it's about bringing in a player and seeing if you can catch lightning in a bottle. It's about adding depth and competition and making sure that Eli doesn't have to rush himself. Hell, if the Giants decide to take Flynn or Freeman to camp...fantastic. It's about competition and bringing in football players. Hey, maybe a few teams have called about Nassib's availability. This year's QB class is full of question marks and maybe a team would rather trade a 3rd rounder for Nassib than gamble a 1st or 2nd rounder on a guy they aren't sold on. It's not impossible. Either way, the more competition in camp the better.
All I know about him is that pre-draft, I heard Jaws say on ESPN Radio that Nassib was his favorite QB of that draft.
It is the only reason I recognized his name when the Giants drafted him. I'd like to think Jaws knows something about QB's so there must be something about RN that is decent.
probably...but you may not think that if Eli doesn't rebound in 2014.
If Eli doesn't rebound, it seems highly unlikely that the Giants are going to rely on a former 4th round pick to replace him. I think they would probably draft a QB in the first or second round next year.
The beauty of having a new system, I am excited for, is to see how Nassib does in it. If Nassib can do well learning this system, and prove it, I think this change of a system could potentially be a great thing for us and set us up for the future, if Nassib can show he can master this.
But organized team activity sessions begin on May 28, not long after the 33-year-old Manning is scheduled to resume running, and he won’t likely be fully ready for drills then. According to several sources, the expectation is Manning will either not be ready for, or held back from most of the OTAs this spring and possibly even the full-team mini-camp in mid-June. So there will be a lot of on-field work that he’ll miss.
That’s why the team is expected to look at several veterans, such as the 26-year-old Freeman and the 28-year-old Flynn. The Giants do have veteran Curtis Painter and second-year pro Ryan Nassib on the roster, but they’ll need at least one more quarterback to run their spring drills. Link - ( New Window )
And, closed all the over reaction, speculation, etc.. on this thread. Lights out.
The Nassib trade talk is ....well....the only picks we could get for him now would be tooth picks. As stated by others Nassib is a project in very early stages. And, it was a wasted draft pick as well. :)
I don't comment that much, but most of these comments are nuts. Eli will be fine, first and foremost. He was throwing at Duke, he didn't feel 100 percent, he is doing the right thing. This is a clean out to help the healing, nothing more nothing less. There is no conspiracy theory. They are bringing in quarterbacks because they (1) don't think Nassib is ready in case off emergency (2) they need an extra body during otas while Eli is rehabbing or (3) someone offered a pick for Nassib and the Giants are considering the offer, this is not so far fetched, some people thought Nassib should have went in the first round, or the Giants are anticipating they may be offered something for Nassib at the draft. Stay calm BBI.
Is Nassib really that bad that we can't rely on him as the #2 QB this season (and only carry 2 on the roster)? Could this be insurance in case there are complications with Eli's ankle? Something doesn't add up.
Eli's ankle and Nassib was wildly over rated by the media and scouting community. Reese fucked up on that one. Traded up too. Stupid trade.
are nuts..I've never seen such overreactions to "Nassib must be awful to "Eli's ankle must be really bad"
Maybe they just want some bodies to try and create some competition amongst Nassib and Painter..I actually thought Painter did a nice job in camp last year and in preseason games, but I don't think it's a bad idea to get a few guys in there to see if we can have somewhat of an adequate backup..Eli is getting older and while he still has plenty of good years ahead of him, we have gotten incredibly lucky with him not missing any time and we all know it could happen at any point.
was drafted as a project. You may not like the pick, but to expect him to be anything but a QB who needs work is going to drive you crazy. He wasn't ready last year and probably won't be ready to be the #2 this year. But that doesn't mean he won't be the following year and for years to come. It also doesn't mean he won't develop into a potential starter that gets us picks in a trade. We don't know yet and we won't for some time.
familiar w/BenM, and if bettter than Painter, a VETERAN backup. W/Freeman,maybe camp comp. as well.
Give RyanN a pass pro-temp to see if this new system helps him as well as Eli, before judging him as a wasted pick
this is what I was thinking too. The only difference is that we are looking at two vets rather than one, with the other being a UDFA or something. But it's entirely possible we will only sign one of the two vets.
if MacAdoo does not believe Eli will get it done. Eli has played so poorly for long stretches I don't any Giants fan should have comfortable feeling right now inclusive of system change. At some point you can't keep paying someone a million dollars for every pick they throw. You can pay less for that and try to win other ways.
Eli get familiar with the new system and run things in mini camp if Eli is out longer than expected. It can't hurt having a guy around that knows McAdoo.
Eli is done and Nassib was a bust and wasted pick.
Ughh, can't believe Matt Ryan or Josh Freeman will be our opening day QB...
Right. It can't possibly mean They need another QB for OTAs and to spell him in camp. It's clearly been decided that this unnamed unsigned QB will start opening day. You are a fucking imbecile.
all his posts are like that. I think he posts froma phone and it doesnt change the format when it comes onto the internet. Pretty sure the Haiku form is unintentional.
Buffale has EJ Manuel... if they wanted Nassib they could have drafted him last year.. his college coach passed on him
Sure, they preferred Manuel to Nassib, but it doesn't mean they didn't like Nassib. And maybe now for the price of moving down three spots in round one they can have both of them.
The Redskins preferred RG3 to Kirk Cousins in 2012, but it didn't stop them from drafting Cousins in round four of the same draft.
It was once normal protocol to groom a young quarterback. Now it seems if the guy isn't ready to jump in and start his first year he must suck. I don't get it. The Giants have no need to rush Nasib. How any of you can judge his quality or the decision to draft him at this stage in his career is really beyond me. Rodgers was a backup for three years before getting the starting job.
I guess some people here have long term memory loss. Michael Strahan, Amani Toomer, Osi Umenyiora, Eli, Tuck, Webster, Seubert, Tiki Barber, Linval Joseph, Mario Manningham, Victor Cruz, etc did little to nothing during their first year and how did they turn out?
Nassib cost enough and has been around long enough to step in if Eli can't play. So why all the interest in others QBs? Because Reese screwed up on the Nassib choice.
if MacAdoo does not believe Eli will get it done. Eli has played so poorly for long stretches I don't any Giants fan should have comfortable feeling right now inclusive of system change. At some point you can't keep paying someone a million dollars for every pick they throw. You can pay less for that and try to win other ways.
Really, If McAdoo believes Eli might not be able to get it done! Please as bad as Eli was last year, what makes you honestly believe that he will NOT be able to get the job done in this new offense???
Nassib cost enough and has been around long enough to step in if Eli can't play. So why all the interest in others QBs? Because Reese screwed up on the Nassib choice.
Let's see the Giants always bring 4 QB's to camp and how many do they currently have? 3 so they will be adding one more and obviously prefer a veteran since Eli is out at least 6 weeks. This says nothing about how they feel about Nassib.
Nassib showed a lot of promise in college. Some of you sit and here and act like it's easy to pick talent and you just knew all along that nassib would underwhelm. Guess what? You don't know jack shit and it's way too early to stick the chest out and say I told you so. The guy's career hasn't even started to ferment yet, he's in the infancy stages. Maybe it was a in desert risk but my god we are talking about two mid to late round picks! And still you guys crush this move as if it set the org back ten years.
Let it unfold man... And at least recognize why they went after a legit collegiate QB. It's called low risk high reward. And a 4th and 6th is just that, low risk.
BBI is losing its collective mind. I don't like to hear that Eli hd surgery and won't run until 6 weeks from now, but holy crap. He will be able to study the play book. Its not like he had eye surgery. I will freak a little more if he misses training camp. Being in Matt Flynn and cut Painter during training camp.
if MacAdoo does not believe Eli will get it done. Eli has played so poorly for long stretches I don't any Giants fan should have comfortable feeling right now inclusive of system change. At some point you can't keep paying someone a million dollars for every pick they throw. You can pay less for that and try to win other ways.
I'm sad that there are Giants fans that actually have this mentality...I hope this is a joke, but it doesn't seem like it...two years removed from being a Super Bowl MVP..
Eli was not good last year, but he had a deplorable O Line, barely any kind of a run game other than when Brown came back, a top WR who dogged it all season, a good for nothing Tight End.....some of you are really amazing
QB friendly than it was before, and watch Eli "improve". The QB is not the problem on this team. The engine of every offense is it's OL. Draft Zach Martin and Travis Swanson this year (and another OL high next year), and then watch how much things improve between 2014 and 2015. Patience is a virtue mongos.
For those who remember the 80's. We need an Eric Moore, jumbo Elliott type of draft in 1/2. That draft anchored 2 of the 5 spots on our OL for 10 years. Moore was susposed to be the left tackle but Jumbo turned out better and the picked Moore inside to guard for his duration. Nothing flashy but got the job done. Where is George Young when you need him?
Hitting on a 4th and 6th round pick last year could have really helped the team this year.
Probably similar systems to Green Bay, but we don't know that yet. Remember TC has his stamp on this offense too. But I agree that McAdoo knows Flynn and Flynn will probably understand the terminology too.
He needs a qb ready to step
In if he plays bad..gets hurt
Or doesnt resign at reasonable
Price...
McAdoo hasn't even worked with Nassib on the practice field yet.
McAdoo hasn't even worked with Nassib on the practice field yet.
I'm not overreacting now. I said it back on draft day that i was a stupid move.
I don't know that there are many teams who would want to trade picks for Nassib. His body of work in the NFL is zero.
Hitting on a 4th and 6th round pick last year could have really helped the team this year.
Can never have too many back up QB's! ;-)
I want to see what he may do in a more short-passing-oriented scheme (not that I have any inkling what MacAdoo and TC are cooking up, mind you).
The idea of anyone trading anything, even a used jock strap, for him at this point is just ludicrous. I could be more insulting, but why bother?
Bossman. Seriously, choke on a syphilitic dick. Please. Pretty please with jism on top.
that's a good point Eric, but I don't think Nassib is going to be the answer. If he was that good he wouldn't have lasted til Round 4. Who knows though, Tim Rattay and Tom Brady were a coin flip away from being on differnt teams in Round 6.
What I do know is that it took 10 years before Phil Simms was truly replaced, and that in most cases it takes a 1st Rounder to find big time QB. And all the Eli haters will come out of the woodwork saying how great he was after he is retired and the parade of Hostetlers, Browns, Grahams and Kannells starts.
That’s why the team is expected to look at several veterans, such as the 26-year-old Freeman and the 28-year-old Flynn. The Giants do have veteran Curtis Painter and second-year pro Ryan Nassib on the roster, but they’ll need at least one more quarterback to run their spring drills.
Link - ( New Window )
Or they're looking for a guy to throw in OTAs while Eli is healing up.
And if worse comes to worst and the team does need three quarterbacks on the roster, I'd rather see somebody beat out Curtis Painter for the primary backup spot.
It is the only reason I recognized his name when the Giants drafted him. I'd like to think Jaws knows something about QB's so there must be something about RN that is decent.
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probably...but you may not think that if Eli doesn't rebound in 2014.
If Eli doesn't rebound, it seems highly unlikely that the Giants are going to rely on a former 4th round pick to replace him. I think they would probably draft a QB in the first or second round next year.
The beauty of having a new system, I am excited for, is to see how Nassib does in it. If Nassib can do well learning this system, and prove it, I think this change of a system could potentially be a great thing for us and set us up for the future, if Nassib can show he can master this.
I am very curious to see how he does now.
Ughh, can't believe Matt Ryan or Josh Freeman will be our opening day QB...
Ughh, can't believe Matt Ryan or Josh Freeman will be our opening day QB...
Wasted TWO picks. They traded up to get NAssib
That’s why the team is expected to look at several veterans, such as the 26-year-old Freeman and the 28-year-old Flynn. The Giants do have veteran Curtis Painter and second-year pro Ryan Nassib on the roster, but they’ll need at least one more quarterback to run their spring drills. Link - ( New Window )
And, closed all the over reaction, speculation, etc.. on this thread. Lights out.
The Nassib trade talk is ....well....the only picks we could get for him now would be tooth picks. As stated by others Nassib is a project in very early stages. And, it was a wasted draft pick as well. :)
I think
Clowney, Robinson, Mathews, Mack, Watkins and 3 QBs will be gone.
Target could be (Evans)ahead of TN and DET.
or one of the OTs (Lewan)or possibly Barr.
Eli's ankle and Nassib was wildly over rated by the media and scouting community. Reese fucked up on that one. Traded up too. Stupid trade.
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Eli is done and Nassib was a bust and wasted pick.
Ughh, can't believe Matt Ryan or Josh Freeman will be our opening day QB...
Wasted TWO picks. They traded up to get NAssib
Nothing was wasted, atleast not yet. Some of you guys have incredibly short memories, and little to no long term thinking.
Maybe they just want some bodies to try and create some competition amongst Nassib and Painter..I actually thought Painter did a nice job in camp last year and in preseason games, but I don't think it's a bad idea to get a few guys in there to see if we can have somewhat of an adequate backup..Eli is getting older and while he still has plenty of good years ahead of him, we have gotten incredibly lucky with him not missing any time and we all know it could happen at any point.
"Eli must be hurt worse than they're letting on."
"They have no confidence in Nassib. They're getting ready to trade him as part of a deal to move up."
As others have said, they need extra arms for the OTAs. And this says nothing about Nassib. Nothing.
My god what were thinking pushing the draft back to May.
Qb ..eli is
Not...and cant
Throw a screen
Which is a must
In macs system.
What is there to get into a tizzy about?
Give RyanN a pass pro-temp to see if this new system helps him as well as Eli, before judging him as a wasted pick
What is there to get into a tizzy about?
this is what I was thinking too. The only difference is that we are looking at two vets rather than one, with the other being a UDFA or something. But it's entirely possible we will only sign one of the two vets.
I think
Clowney, Robinson, Mathews, Mack, Watkins and 3 QBs will be gone.
Target could be (Evans)ahead of TN and DET.
or one of the OTs (Lewan)or possibly Barr.
um.. Buffale has EJ Manuel... if they wanted Nassib they could have drafted him last year.. his college coach passed on him..
However, the only way Eli plays poorly in 2014 is if the rest of the team is a joke (OL, TE, etc) like last year.........
Ughh, can't believe Matt Ryan or Josh Freeman will be our opening day QB...
The Redskins preferred RG3 to Kirk Cousins in 2012, but it didn't stop them from drafting Cousins in round four of the same draft.
Really, If McAdoo believes Eli might not be able to get it done! Please as bad as Eli was last year, what makes you honestly believe that he will NOT be able to get the job done in this new offense???
Let's see the Giants always bring 4 QB's to camp and how many do they currently have? 3 so they will be adding one more and obviously prefer a veteran since Eli is out at least 6 weeks. This says nothing about how they feel about Nassib.
Some of you are impossible.
Let it unfold man... And at least recognize why they went after a legit collegiate QB. It's called low risk high reward. And a 4th and 6th is just that, low risk.
I'm sad that there are Giants fans that actually have this mentality...I hope this is a joke, but it doesn't seem like it...two years removed from being a Super Bowl MVP..
Eli was not good last year, but he had a deplorable O Line, barely any kind of a run game other than when Brown came back, a top WR who dogged it all season, a good for nothing Tight End.....some of you are really amazing
Ughh, can't believe Matt Ryan or Josh Freeman will be our opening day QB...
Matt Ryan didn't do so well last year due to injuries, but had a superb 2012 regular and post season.
I don't think you should count him out so soon.