should have done more by now, but O'Hara is right that it can be tough to transition from tackle to guard. Brewer frequently takes wrong steps, like he doesn't know his responsibilities on a given play. I think his problems are more mental than physical. My guess is this is why Coughlin refused to play him until he had no other option. Absent injuries he's a long shot to make the roster IMO. But we'll see.
him knocking into TC at the end. Look at how pissed TC gets when Brewer blatantly ignores that he's hit someone. Thats what you get for standing behind a 6'6 incompetent lineman.
bad is that Jerry said Brewer had left tackle feet when he was drafted. But it looks like his feet don't know what to do on many plays. He frequently seems to be a second or more behind everyone else on what to do.
I'm not a fan of player development by this coaching regime Â
From 2005-2009 there were 217 players taken in the 4th round.
Of those 217 only 109 of them have started for a full season.
51 out of 217 have started 3 or more seasons
27 out of 217 have started 5 seasons or more
58 out of 217 have never even started a game.
Why is there always so much value placed on 4th rounders?
I would trade away my 4th rounder every year to move up in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Are you sure he didn't say 2 left feet? Shaun started out saying that Brewer doesn't understand the simple basics of the game. That's pretty much game over
Toward the end Shaun O'Hara talks about Brewer needing to be more aggressive.
Well... just go back to that first play on the tape. The guy overshoots to his right and totally f-ing misses his man. If anything, he was way too aggressive thereby failing to properly line up his man. (Incidentally, watch that play again! If not for the Brewer snafu, #35 won't be touched for maybe 35 yards.)
But the last remark by O'Hara is the kicker. He talks about Brewer needing to get in the squat machine (or some other f-ing machine) to get stronger.
F-ing stronger?
What the F?
This guy was drafted in 2011 and we're now in 2014 and he isn't muscled up enough?
Brewer is a perfect example of what Jerry Reese did to our offensive line. He mis-evaluated draft talent and the Giants team paid for that big time in 2013.
And just go ask Eli what price he paid as he enters surgery.
without even being asked, raised concerns about brewer's work ethic and commitment to football. he said the giants did their research and asked him does he love to play football, and they felt confident he would be committed. apparently his first love was basketball and had a short football career, if being such a horrific technician doesn't tell you enough
I just don't think this guy has the want. Its, what, his 3rd year in the league last year? Entering his 4th? And he overextends his feet like that? There were worse plays last year that for brewer's sake, thank goodness o'hara didn't show. We'll see if he makes a big jump but if he plays like shit in the preseason I hope he's not on the roster. I don't care how athletic he is, how long his arms are or how well he moves for a man of his size... you gotta have the want to improve
We're not talking about a Phillip Dillard-level reach here. Â
... But despite injury issues, scouts were impressed with his season-ending performance against Purdue's defensive cornerstone Ryan Kerrigan. Brewer may be a relatively high draft pick because of his vast potential but he's not without question marks.
Problem is, Brewer never develops. He had zero pedigree coming out of college.....other than the measurables.
Reese in this draft needs to stay away from picks like this and get guys who have actually played and accomplished something at the D1 level.
And do we really think O'Hara is going to do a piece for Giants.com where he rips the guy?
This. Brewer was a classic "high ceiling" "low floor" pick by Reese, where measureables wrongly outweighed everything else. Like Austin and Robinson. As others have said, Brewer was first a basketball player, coming to football late. He also had ankle injuries at Indiana. He did look good at times. Very good. But he was a developmental player.
In all fairness, someone else probably would have taken him quickly in the fourth if we had not, but I'd rather take more proven players, even if they have less upside. More "high floor" "low ceiling" guys. Stop trying to hit the 500 foot home run. For every time you do, you strikeout ten times. Singles and doubles. Get on base.
If he shows he's ready to contribute, he'll make the cut; if not, he shouldn't. I have no problems with Brewer having a chance to show he can play this summer, but I will have problems carrying a guy who can't get it done for a third year.
period.. the Giants have this love affair with moving OL guys around.. and thats great and all.. but you have to determine who is able to do that and who isnt.. Brewer isnt...
RE: 4th rounders just don't become starters often Â
If he's bad at guard he was worse in space. At ORT it looked to me as if he was trying to avoid contact. My impression was, and I'm serious, that he jumped out of the ends way and then followed him to the QB. David Brown missing a swing pass is the only thing I can compare it to. I don't think the guy likes contact and ,generally speaking, this is not a virtue in a lineman.
They don't give out championships, usually it's money for work. Brewer stinks and Marc Ross has been terrible.
Reese has been terrible too. So every good pick it's Reese and every bad pick it's Ross? So it's all Marc Ross' fault. Reese is just as culpable of not more so. Here on BBI only the guy who makes the picks can't be blamed it's his employee.
Reese is the GM. If Ross sucks and Reese keeps him then Reese is a moron.
love that ohara says the being too tall can be a problem at guard Â
John Hufnagel won the Grey Cup and CFL Coach of the Year. When you win the Grands Crus Classés Challenge, you can stack your record up against Reese's. ;o)
Seriously, congrats. Israel makes a lot of great wine.
I have no problem with the swing-for-the-fences approach. Â
I just wish they were a little better at it, and maybe a bit more balanced. The philosophy makes sense in principle. With the cap relief available through the Minimum Salary Benefit, marginal veterans are a viable way to plug holes. You need enough hits in the draft so that the marginal vets don't define your team, which is what happened the last two years. The end result is that your team is likely to have higher highs and lower lows than the league average.
Keep in mind that there's been a fair amount of bad luck involved. How many promising recent Giant picks have suffered career-altering leg injuries? Alford, Smith, Goff, Manningham, Thomas, Phillips, Brown, Beatty, Nicks, Jones... Not to mention other kinds of injuries (Boss, Pierre-Paul, Austin, Wilson...) and guys we were ready to write off as busts even before they got hurt (Sintim, Beckum, Barden...)
Some revisionist history expounded by the pundits here Â
As a 4th rd. pick Brewer was never considered a "reach" pick except in hindsight by our pundits when he didn't work out.
The criticism I have is this crapping around with versatility. Somehow the Giants braintrust seems to think that being bad at 5 positions is better than being decent at 1.
Brewer looks like an OT. I would have stuck him at RT and left him at RT. He appears to play very upright.
RE: RE: 4th rounders just don't become starters often Â
George Young said you can never have too many big men. Today, everyone is big. George also had Parcells and his staff.
"The coaching needs to bear some responsibility for his failure to develop IMO" This statement, made above is absolutely true. Brewer has had his chance- do it, or move on. And if the O Coaches think he has something, then both O Line Coach and Brewer should have a training camp and no more then 2 pre season games. A lot of moves have been made this off season- time to move it- as the cliche says, 'use it or lose it'. Brewer can move on to the Arena League- he might make a dynamic goal line FB.
I think he was also way to nice when breaking down James Brewer. Put the "great size" stuff aside, he doesn't know what he is doing out there. Often he just struggles to find the right guy to engage, and many times its the guy in front of him.
He did put a nice block on Coughlin though in that video...
This will be Brewer's make or brake camp for sure Â
As for Reese and Marc Ross, their drafts have been "average" at best since 2008. They also missed badly on many key early round picks (Barden, Austin and likely Robinson) but so do all teams.
Reese MUST have a tremendous draft in a talented year else he'll be gone along with Coughlin in two years.
If we tank 2014 for whatever reason, who is to say Reese isn't gone. especially if the draft class looks bad.
lol - funny
Problem is, Brewer never develops. He had zero pedigree coming out of college.....other than the measurables.
Reese in this draft needs to stay away from picks like this and get guys who have actually played and accomplished something at the D1 level.
And do we really think O'Hara is going to do a piece for Giants.com where he rips the guy?
I think it was a decent pick at the time because of the Giants roster situation, they were pretty strong. You can reach.
Flash foward to 2014, we can't take flyers on a guy like this..........
My point, Reese has to adjust his draft strategy.
Of those 217 only 109 of them have started for a full season.
51 out of 217 have started 3 or more seasons
27 out of 217 have started 5 seasons or more
58 out of 217 have never even started a game.
Why is there always so much value placed on 4th rounders?
I would trade away my 4th rounder every year to move up in the 2nd or 3rd round.
Take a look at the link and judge for yourself.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=2004&year_max=2009&type=&round_min=4&round_max=4&slot_min=1&slot_max=500&league_id=&team_id=&pos=ALL&college_id=all&conference=any&show=all
Well... just go back to that first play on the tape. The guy overshoots to his right and totally f-ing misses his man. If anything, he was way too aggressive thereby failing to properly line up his man. (Incidentally, watch that play again! If not for the Brewer snafu, #35 won't be touched for maybe 35 yards.)
But the last remark by O'Hara is the kicker. He talks about Brewer needing to get in the squat machine (or some other f-ing machine) to get stronger.
F-ing stronger?
What the F?
This guy was drafted in 2011 and we're now in 2014 and he isn't muscled up enough?
Brewer is a perfect example of what Jerry Reese did to our offensive line. He mis-evaluated draft talent and the Giants team paid for that big time in 2013.
And just go ask Eli what price he paid as he enters surgery.
I just don't think this guy has the want. Its, what, his 3rd year in the league last year? Entering his 4th? And he overextends his feet like that? There were worse plays last year that for brewer's sake, thank goodness o'hara didn't show. We'll see if he makes a big jump but if he plays like shit in the preseason I hope he's not on the roster. I don't care how athletic he is, how long his arms are or how well he moves for a man of his size... you gotta have the want to improve
Maybe he was taken a round too early, but the Giants liked him and they didn't have another pick until 68 slots later.
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Problem is, Brewer never develops. He had zero pedigree coming out of college.....other than the measurables.
Reese in this draft needs to stay away from picks like this and get guys who have actually played and accomplished something at the D1 level.
And do we really think O'Hara is going to do a piece for Giants.com where he rips the guy?
This. Brewer was a classic "high ceiling" "low floor" pick by Reese, where measureables wrongly outweighed everything else. Like Austin and Robinson. As others have said, Brewer was first a basketball player, coming to football late. He also had ankle injuries at Indiana. He did look good at times. Very good. But he was a developmental player.
In all fairness, someone else probably would have taken him quickly in the fourth if we had not, but I'd rather take more proven players, even if they have less upside. More "high floor" "low ceiling" guys. Stop trying to hit the 500 foot home run. For every time you do, you strikeout ten times. Singles and doubles. Get on base.
Thought Brewer got a pretty good hit on TC on the sideline though.
The coaching needs to bear some responsibility for his failure to develop IMO.
He looked at Brewer and thought he had a McK Jr. who would step right in at RT in a couple of years.
Well guess what.
The only thing that happened is that Jerry Reese stepped into a pile of ****.
Try reading again
One up on JR here.
Reese has been terrible too. So every good pick it's Reese and every bad pick it's Ross? So it's all Marc Ross' fault. Reese is just as culpable of not more so. Here on BBI only the guy who makes the picks can't be blamed it's his employee.
Reese is the GM. If Ross sucks and Reese keeps him then Reese is a moron.
brewer is not even a good tackle. but probably better right tackle than a guard. just not good though, either way.
Seriously, congrats. Israel makes a lot of great wine.
Keep in mind that there's been a fair amount of bad luck involved. How many promising recent Giant picks have suffered career-altering leg injuries? Alford, Smith, Goff, Manningham, Thomas, Phillips, Brown, Beatty, Nicks, Jones... Not to mention other kinds of injuries (Boss, Pierre-Paul, Austin, Wilson...) and guys we were ready to write off as busts even before they got hurt (Sintim, Beckum, Barden...)
The criticism I have is this crapping around with versatility. Somehow the Giants braintrust seems to think that being bad at 5 positions is better than being decent at 1.
Brewer looks like an OT. I would have stuck him at RT and left him at RT. He appears to play very upright.
This is a fantastic post. The lack of comprehension combined with the nastiness and snark is just a magical combination.
...Sir!
There are very few wordsmiths on this site.
But you may be one of them!
Well played, Sir.
"The coaching needs to bear some responsibility for his failure to develop IMO" This statement, made above is absolutely true. Brewer has had his chance- do it, or move on. And if the O Coaches think he has something, then both O Line Coach and Brewer should have a training camp and no more then 2 pre season games. A lot of moves have been made this off season- time to move it- as the cliche says, 'use it or lose it'. Brewer can move on to the Arena League- he might make a dynamic goal line FB.
He did put a nice block on Coughlin though in that video...
As for Reese and Marc Ross, their drafts have been "average" at best since 2008. They also missed badly on many key early round picks (Barden, Austin and likely Robinson) but so do all teams.
Reese MUST have a tremendous draft in a talented year else he'll be gone along with Coughlin in two years.
If we tank 2014 for whatever reason, who is to say Reese isn't gone. especially if the draft class looks bad.