freeman vs flynn and what about nassib?

this is not hard to figure out.

Manning will be out until camp.

They need three arms for the OTAs and mini-camp.

four...and they always have four or five QBs in camp.

Will be coming in here

and played well last year, the Giants would be in great shape to move up in this draft. Pissed away opportunity. They also have no idea if Nassib can play well since he forced to remain on the bench.

So you have Eli injured, (because they refused to play Nassib) , no in-game evaluation on Nassib. Giants must sign a cheap veteran QB that might do well.

In comment 11616819 Eric from BBI said:

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this is not hard to figure out. Manning will be out until camp. They need three arms for the OTAs and mini-camp.

At the risk of being a Kiss A$$, Eric thank you for leading the charge and showing us what this really is, an attempt to get more arms in for OTA's. Some topics have just gone off the deep end with assumptions! Thank you teacher I will wipe my nose now! LOL!

added benefit of Flynn is he can help teach the others the system.

In comment 11616825 mrvax said:

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and played well last year, the Giants would be in great shape to move up in this draft. Pissed away opportunity. They also have no idea if Nassib can play well since he forced to remain on the bench. So you have Eli injured, (because they refused to play Nassib) , no in-game evaluation on Nassib. Giants must sign a cheap veteran QB that might do well.

Honestly do you think Nassib would have benefited last year playing behind the worst OL in the league? Eli struggled because of the OL and you think a rookie would have come in and gotten valuable experience? No he would have taken a beating and lost confidence.

with why they are bringing guys in.
others are also spot on from last year playing painter was the dumbest move I've seen in quite some time. entirely useless, and makes nassib as big an unknown as ever. and practice doesnt mean jack sh%t... so he needs to play.... we know painter is beyond awful

they could've taken him with their pick in the fourth round, 5 spots before NYG picked him.

In comment 11616858 hitdog42 said:

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with why they are bringing guys in. others are also spot on from last year playing painter was the dumbest move I've seen in quite some time. entirely useless, and makes nassib as big an unknown as ever. and practice doesnt mean jack sh%t... so he needs to play.... we know painter is beyond awful

Practice doesn't mean jack shit? (facepalm)

Did no one watch Nassib play in preseason? The guy was not ready to be the #2 QB.

but the Bills had already taken a QB. Even if Nassib was their second choice, they weren't likely to take 2 in the first 4 rounds. That said, the Bills coach was Nassib's college coach, so it doesn't speak real well for him that they passed on him

either of these guys

as I do, via additional in the draft, you go with the player with the big arm, barring other factors, like if he is really not football smart

QBs. We were just lucky that the other 31 teams missed on him 3 differ to times and Reese showed his genius and traded up and grabbed him in the 4th.

Now this is really two different situations. One the Giants need more arms and bringing in a kid like Freeman who does have a lot of talent or Flynn makes lots sense

2nd the trade up for Nassib regardless of that it may not have cost much but it was unnecessary and silly considering all the needs the Giants had at LB and OL. Not saying that either that 4th or 6th would be a huge help but more than a QB who would to sniff the field unless disaster. Then he was to good enough to be the back up costing the team a Depth roster spot.

In comment 11616831 Jay on the Island said:

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Honestly do you think Nassib would have benefited last year playing behind the worst OL in the league? Eli struggled because of the OL and you think a rookie would have come in and gotten valuable experience? No he would have taken a beating and lost confidence.

Jay: Yes, Nassib would have benefited from playing in those last games. Granted, at that time the Oline sucked, but less suck than earlier in the season.

Rookies really do need to see the field as soon as possible. In Nassib's case, he'd know the line sucked. You have to play these guys to get that experience. Get his feet wet. You don't make him the full time starter. Praise his efforts. Nip bad habits in the bud early. Nassib could have worked to correct in-game problems this off season and been better prepared for this coming preseason.

In comment 11616867 Bill in UT said:

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but the Bills had already taken a QB. Even if Nassib was their second choice, they weren't likely to take 2 in the first 4 rounds. That said, the Bills coach was Nassib's college coach, so it doesn't speak real well for him that they passed on him

This line of thinking just makes no sense. Because he coached him in college and passed on him, that's some indictment into his abilities? Come the fuck on. I see this over and over again on BBI and it's just false. First of all, the fact that Marrone had Manuel rated higher than Nassib only means that his opinion fell in line with most of the league. Almost everybody did. And Marrone wanted a QB that was ready to step in and play in year 1. He was a first year coach and didn't want to wait on a QB to develop. Manuel was much more ready. Nassib has a bunch of talent, but he was not ready to play yet.

Was that he was passed on by so many. Doesn't mean he can't or won't be a good NFL QB but he's hardly the great talent that Reese claimed. If he was he would have beaten out Painter.

In comment 11616895 LauderdaleMatty said:

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QBs. We were just lucky that the other 31 teams missed on him 3 differ to times and Reese showed his genius and traded up and grabbed him in the 4th. Now this is really two different situations. One the Giants need more arms and bringing in a kid like Freeman who does have a lot of talent or Flynn makes lots sense 2nd the trade up for Nassib regardless of that it may not have cost much but it was unnecessary and silly considering all the needs the Giants had at LB and OL. Not saying that either that 4th or 6th would be a huge help but more than a QB who would to sniff the field unless disaster. Then he was to good enough to be the back up costing the team a Depth roster spot.

Only on BBI can guys expect a 4th round draft pick, one that the Giants have told us a thousand times that will need time to develop, be expected to come in and wow us all in year one. It's unbelievable. And this thought that no other team picked him in the first 3 rounds means that the Giants are morons is just comical. Every team has their own needs, and every single freaking player that gets picked by ANY team has been passed over by other teams. Unless they are the first overall pick. Just idiotic thinking

In comment 11616907 LauderdaleMatty said:

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Was that he was passed on by so many. Doesn't mean he can't or won't be a good NFL QB but he's hardly the great talent that Reese claimed. If he was he would have beaten out Painter.

Dude, the plan was for him to be brought along slowly. What the hell is so hard to see about this? He was not NFL ready. This is about the long term. You really wanted him to come in and be the number 2 QB? Holy shit man. I feel like I'm beating my head against the wall here, so I'm out. You people are unreal. How about a little patience, huh? This was the plan all along, but why let the facts get in the way...

Nassib was a "great talent." He said he was great value at that point in the draft. I will never understand those who complain about using a 4th and 6th round pick on a QB with great leadership qualities and skills. Sure the Giants have holes but so does every team and since when did 4th and 6th round picks become locks to become solid players? Do you think that if the Giants used those picks on a LB and an OL that these players would have seen the field year one?

exactly. If there was a player available that the Giants liked, they'd have taken them. Keyboard warriors lambasting Reese for giving up a 6th for a guy that most of these guys have never seen take a single snap in college is hysterical.

is that we changed systems. Perhaps this change will help Nassib. That's what I want to see. I want to see if he is able to learn this system and be able to do well.

I wanted them to take Shamarko Thomas but I was very happy with the Nassib pick especially because I didn't see it coming. I know many people here wanted LB Greene who did very little last year for a bad bears defense.

Nassib will be learning his second offense already going into only his second season. There is absolutely no harm in bringing in a veteran especially one like Flynn who is familiar with the new offense and would actually help both Eli and Nassib with learning it.

if there is anything to salvage. If he looks like he can re-gain or improve upon what he did prior to last year, then he'd be a great backup and maybe something we could convert into a pick in a year.

He had talent, I think he's worth a shot if you can convince him to sign a cheap deal.

He's not some high measurable, big armed toolsy guy that's really immature (as a talent) and was a full blown developmental project.

Part of his appeal, per most scouting reports, was his maturity and, while not being a finished product, supposedly being more NFL-ready than the rest of the subpar QB class last year.

Not saying he's a bust (though throwing two picks on a QB with how many other holes this team had and continues to have remains a mistake), but let's not revision him as something he's not either.

you agree with the pick or not, the Giants probably had a 2nd round grade on Nassib.

They see him as a future NFL starter.

Q: You said that you have been trying to develop a young quarterback for years and you actively moved up to get this guy…

Reese: Well, the value was there. He was just too much value. To be honest, we thought the kid would probably get picked in the second round over there and we over here in the fourth round and he’s still on the board so it just makes sense for us to take the value.
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In comment 11616912 BigBlueShock said:
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Was that he was passed on by so many. Doesn't mean he can't or won't be a good NFL QB but he's hardly the great talent that Reese claimed. If he was he would have beaten out Painter.


Dude, the plan was for him to be brought along slowly. What the hell is so hard to see about this? He was not NFL ready. This is about the long term. You really wanted him to come in and be the number 2 QB? Holy shit man. I feel like I'm beating my head against the wall here, so I'm out. You people are unreal. How about a little patience, huh? This was the plan all along, but why let the facts get in the way... [/quote

No. I wanted a LB in Rd 4. Not some kid who will never take a meaningful snap for the Giants. So you are going to bring Nassib along slowly so he can be viable QB IN 4 years? He was not a great value at that spot. And to pretend that Reese wasn't equating value and talent is silly.

In comment 11616828 Eric from BBI said:

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added benefit of Flynn is he can help teach the others the system.

GB's system, sure. But we aren't running that.

Has Reese apologized to you yet? Did you accept his apology? oh all knowing one?

In comment 11616929 Jay on the Island said:

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Nassib will be learning his second offense already going into only his second season. There is absolutely no harm in bringing in a veteran especially one like Flynn who is familiar with the new offense and would actually help both Eli and Nassib with learning it.

This makes a lot sense to me. Could be a McAdoo recommendation to help this new offense get off the ground.

Coughlin has said the same thing over and over when we got Bomar and Woodson. The need to draft and develop a second quarterback. I mean it is not a foreign concept to the league or this team.

No one was ever expecting Brady to take over from Bledsoe. If they say so just call them a pile of flaming lying shit.

The only reason Polian is on ESPN is because he didn't even invest serious effort in trying to develop one just in case.

Great. And which starting LB were you getting with that pick, mr. Know it all? Just any random LB? Just to say we got a LB? Oh, and how the hell do you know Nassib will never take a snap for the Giants? Eli is not invincible. He's already got an ankle injury. To me, it would be kind of nice to have a guy that can give us hope, in the case that Eli misses some time at some point. Or, we can just do what you are suggesting, and throw in the towel if Eli goes down, which is exactly where this team has been in the past. But yeah, we should have just taken Joe Linebacker. Just...because.

none of the above.

The Giants were probably overrating the talent on the team,and thought that trading up to take a quarterback in the 4th was something they could do.Well,after watching the team last year,hopefully there thinking has changed.

we sure are incorporating huge parts of it as well most likely as all of their terminology.

and I think the new system will help him.

To me Nassib reminds me a lot of Drew Brees. Granted, he hasn't proven that he can live up to what Brees has done on the field, but in terms of leadership, stature, delivery, and overall drive... He is a guy that I feel can do some things in this league.

list. He is only going into his second year, no one on this website knows if he is any good or not. Let the new OC come in and figure that out. He certainly has the physical skills. Bringing in these other two is more an indictment on Painter than Nassib.

two names is both Freeman and Flynn, as bad as they have been at times in their careers, have a better track record than Curtis Painter. Both probably have realistic goals of becoming a starter again in the NFL, even if it means going to a team where the QB is "on the hot seat" like when Sanchez was starting for the Jets.

These two are not your typical OTA fodder, they'd both be more likely to sign with a team where there is no franchise QB entrenched. IMO.

I'd be curious if either signs with the Giants, which makes you wonder why'd their would be mutual interest.

In comment 11616979 BigBlueShock said:

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Great. And which starting LB were you getting with that pick, mr. Know it all? Just any random LB? Just to say we got a LB? Oh, and how the hell do you know Nassib will never take a snap for the Giants? Eli is not invincible. He's already got an ankle injury. To me, it would be kind of nice to have a guy that can give us hope, in the case that Eli misses some time at some point. Or, we can just do what you are suggesting, and throw in the towel if Eli goes down, which is exactly where this team has been in the past. But yeah, we should have just taken Joe Linebacker. Just...because.

Um Did I cal you names or was rude to you in any way. You disagree fine but being a tough guy won't make your one inch penis any longer.

Second of all there was Kasim Greene or Gerald Hodges in the 4th. Both who showed a lot more promise than Nassib who most likely will suck as much as your inane posts.

Heck why not Jones from Bama who can play G or C. Might have helped taking Mills from Chicaco who started.

Now go be a tough guy to someone else. You going to cry since I disagree. Damn go get some TR if your estrogen levels are so high.

In comment 11617382 LauderdaleMatty said:

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In comment 11616979 BigBlueShock said: Quote: Great. And which starting LB were you getting with that pick, mr. Know it all? Just any random LB? Just to say we got a LB? Oh, and how the hell do you know Nassib will never take a snap for the Giants? Eli is not invincible. He's already got an ankle injury. To me, it would be kind of nice to have a guy that can give us hope, in the case that Eli misses some time at some point. Or, we can just do what you are suggesting, and throw in the towel if Eli goes down, which is exactly where this team has been in the past. But yeah, we should have just taken Joe Linebacker. Just...because. Um Did I cal you names or was rude to you in any way. You disagree fine but being a tough guy won't make your one inch penis any longer. Second of all there was Kasim Greene or Gerald Hodges in the 4th. Both who showed a lot more promise than Nassib who most likely will suck as much as your inane posts. Heck why not Jones from Bama who can play G or C. Might have helped taking Mills from Chicaco who started. Now go be a tough guy to someone else. You going to cry since I disagree. Damn go get some TR if your estrogen levels are so high.

You've been screaming about Nassib since he was drafted. We get it, you don't like the pick. It's way past the point of tedious. It's time you move on. Stop acting like you know more than Giants management, and you wouldn't be called out as being a know it all. Everybody has their opinions, but you pass yours along as fact. Not one person has said that Nassib was a great pick or he'd be a great player. We don't know that yet. You, however, have already decided that he sucks and the pick sucks. That is the difference.

In comment 11617004 ghost718 said:

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The Giants were probably overrating the talent on the team,and thought that trading up to take a quarterback in the 4th was something they could do.Well,after watching the team last year,hopefully there thinking has changed.

and ignoring the obvious issue with OL.

if we carry Nassib, Eli, and another qb again next year?

Another wasted roster spot, hoping this guy will "develop".....how many roster spots have the Giants wasted waiting for guys to develop?