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NFT: Pac/Bradley

dangerousrappingfrog : 4/12/2014 11:09 am
Big fight tonight, two of the best in the business and they both want this fight bad. Both guys have the heart of champions and are incredibly skilled.

This should be a potential fight of the year candidate. Fight fans enjoy!
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No clue  
Giantfootball025 : 4/13/2014 12:41 am : link
who wins the 5th I'll just give to Bradley again because I thought he landed the better shots. 48-47 Bradley. But it could have gone either way for me.
yeah  
chris r : 4/13/2014 12:43 am : link
looks like you were right. He used to eat a few punches to get in a bunch of his own. Now he doesn't want to get hit. He's not a back foot fighter.
Bradley  
chris r : 4/13/2014 12:44 am : link
makes such a bad heal.
Bradley  
Giantfootball025 : 4/13/2014 12:45 am : link
is not listening to his trainers. That usually isn't a good thing. 57-57 even mid way through.
No clue  
Giantfootball025 : 4/13/2014 12:49 am : link
what the hell Bradley is doing. He's losing rounds because he refuses to fight. Pac wins that round easily. 67-66 Pac.
Really  
SoZKillA : 4/13/2014 12:53 am : link
Confused at what Bradley is doing ... Not landing any punches and is dancing around taunting Pac
Another close round  
Giantfootball025 : 4/13/2014 12:53 am : link
Pac took that one off it seems yet still won. 77-75 Pac.
keeps going like this  
Duke Leto : 4/13/2014 12:53 am : link
pac wins. but doesnt look elite
I have 5 rounds  
MookGiants : 4/13/2014 12:53 am : link
to 3 for Manny.
Well  
MookGiants : 4/13/2014 12:56 am : link
Bradley's strategy needs to work now, because he's not winning this fight without knocking Manny out. It's been a terrible strategy, but he can't change it now, too late
87-84  
Giantfootball025 : 4/13/2014 12:57 am : link
Pac. Bradleys trainer says the fight is even, but it's not. The rounds pac won he won easily Bradley has 2 rounds he clearly won and 2 that were close.
97-93  
Giantfootball025 : 4/13/2014 1:01 am : link
Pac has it now if he doesn't get knocked down or out. At least according to me.
at the very best for Bradley  
MookGiants : 4/13/2014 1:04 am : link
he's down 7 to 4. I think it's 8-3
Nice win Pac  
Duke Leto : 4/13/2014 1:09 am : link
retire if you don't get the Mayweather fight. The fire is not there. Better than most, but not what he once was
I have it  
MookGiants : 4/13/2014 1:09 am : link
117-111, if you're being kind it could be 116-112. If Bradley wins this or if its a split decision im done with boxing
116-112  
Giantfootball025 : 4/13/2014 1:10 am : link
Pacman anything closer and I'll be pissed. I was very gracious with giving Bradley rounds too.
he's becoming more cautious with age  
chris r : 4/13/2014 1:10 am : link
he's not a buzz saw anymore, but he's still elite.
got it right this time  
chris r : 4/13/2014 1:11 am : link
Tim's got to calm down and box more.
I only  
MookGiants : 4/13/2014 1:12 am : link
caught the 3rd judge, the one that had it 118-110, what did the others have?
Manny is in big trouble with any puncher  
Duke Leto : 4/13/2014 1:13 am : link
a lot of fighters out there now that can beat him. I guess saying he's not elite is a little tough based on what's out there, but he's not into it like he once was and that spells big trouble in boxing
Pac should have won  
Giantfootball025 : 4/13/2014 1:13 am : link
both fights. Doubt we need to see a 3rd. Pac will prob fight 1 or 2 more ( 1 being JMM) and then retire. Floyd will never happen and shouldn't.
RE: I only  
Giantfootball025 : 4/13/2014 1:14 am : link
In comment 11617779 MookGiants said:
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caught the 3rd judge, the one that had it 118-110, what did the others have?


2 had it 116-112.
Mook  
Stu : 4/13/2014 1:14 am : link
Both 116-112
RE: Pac should have won  
chris r : 4/13/2014 1:16 am : link
In comment 11617781 Giantfootball025 said:
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both fights. Doubt we need to see a 3rd. Pac will prob fight 1 or 2 more ( 1 being JMM) and then retire. Floyd will never happen and shouldn't.


Why shouldn't the Floyd fight happen? Two biggest boxers of there era, even if its five years too late, it should happen.
I had it 115-113 for Manny with me giving Bradley the 2 closest  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 4/13/2014 1:16 am : link
rounds of the fight.

1 - I love Manny, but he needs to retire. He's 50% (at best) of what he used to be.

2 - Even diminished, he still beat Bradley. That's impressive.

3 - Bradley could've tied on my scorecard if he didn't mail in the damn 6th round. I've never seen a guy give away a round like that before. Manny didn't do a damn thing and won the round anyway.

4 - Manny is not even close to peak and he was still in better shape than Bradley. He kept his hands up for 12 straight rounds.

5 - Please stop inviting Manny's mother to the fights. She tried to voodoo hex Bradley.
thanks guys  
MookGiants : 4/13/2014 1:16 am : link
lol at Bradley "No excuses guys but I had a leg injury hurt my calf"

Love it when they say no excuses then proceed to give an excuse
I forgot to add, Manny is infinitely more cautious than he used to be,  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 4/13/2014 1:19 am : link
even going back just a few years to the first matchup. During his peak, he would've knocked Bradley into the casino area.
floyd and pac should absolutely fight  
Duke Leto : 4/13/2014 1:20 am : link
if it can be worked out. Floyd beats his ass, but it should still happpen
RE: Manny is in big trouble with any puncher  
B in ALB : 4/13/2014 1:20 am : link
In comment 11617780 Duke Leto said:
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a lot of fighters out there now that can beat him. I guess saying he's not elite is a little tough based on what's out there, but he's not into it like he once was and that spells big trouble in boxing


A lot of fighters out there now can beat him? Name them.
chris r  
Giantfootball025 : 4/13/2014 1:21 am : link
like you said it's to late. I wanted to see it a few years ago. Now Floyd would beat Pac, and it wouldn't be close. Few years ago I'd say it would have been a great fight. The only fighter who's skillful enough now to beat Floyd right now is unfortunately to big to fight him, and that's Andre Ward. I'd like to see GGG but, who knows if that'll happen.
why was Bradley's strategy  
chris r : 4/13/2014 1:23 am : link
to go for the knock out? He's featherfisted. Very strange.
Who?  
Duke Leto : 4/13/2014 1:25 am : link
Marquez, Mayweather, Matthysse, maybe, Provodnikow, Thurman & Porter, Maidana
Def  
Duke Leto : 4/13/2014 1:26 am : link
Mikey Garcia and maybe Danny Garcia
Four years ago  
Duke Leto : 4/13/2014 1:27 am : link
floyd would of been the only one on the list and they they that fight was 50/50
I think Bradley didn't have any other choice with so many of his  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 4/13/2014 1:29 am : link
punches being blocked and not landing. When the powerful shots he landed didn't do enough damage, Bradley was basically out of luck.
He's old and shop worn, and  
Duke Leto : 4/13/2014 1:29 am : link
the hunger is gone. He's been great, and he's been defeated. Done. IMO
RE: Who?  
B in ALB : 4/13/2014 1:46 am : link
In comment 11617795 Duke Leto said:
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Marquez, Mayweather, Matthysse, maybe, Provodnikow, Thurman & Porter, Maidana


Hahaha. Mayweather is an obvious selection. But the rest?

Maidana? Thurman? Porter? Matthysse? That's absurd.

Prov maybe because he's got power to end it. But he just lost to Bradley. So no.

Marquez? Why? Because he got one shot? And he lost to Bradley?

Let's be honest. Manny beat Bradley twice.
this really seemed like a shady WWF setup  
chris r : 4/13/2014 1:59 am : link
TR has very few fighters for Manny to fight. He gets an L on a BS decision vs Bradley the first time setting up a rematch. Then Bradley, usually polite as a school boy, starts trying to play the villain and get under Pacs skin. When the rematch comes, Bradley, a feather fisted puncher, bizarrely starts throwing haymakers to get his revenge for his tarnished W and in the process loses, setting up a third fight.

Given TR's thin stable of opponents for its bell cow, this really works out too perfectly.
Quality win for Pac  
dangerousrappingfrog : 4/13/2014 3:51 am : link
His footwork is unreal. 6th on it was his fight no looking back. If you want to get him you have to be able to land 25 a round. Not likely, his d was tight tonight.

What fights are left? Who can sustain the output?

TB is a beast; I fucking love TB's heart!
B in ALB. If you've followed the sport  
Duke Leto : 4/13/2014 7:53 am : link
you'd know that just cause fighter A beats fighter B and fighter B beats fighter C, in no way does that mean fighter A beats fighter C. Most of those dudes would be heavy underdogs, but to think they don't have a chance is absurd. Pac is nearing the end of his career and some young gun will beat him if he continues to fight for a while
Never said they don't have a chance  
B in ALB : 4/13/2014 9:24 am : link
I just said they wouldn't beat him. You sound pretty confident that they would. Everybody has a "chance" of course. You declared him "done" which is ridiculous.

And of course if he keeps fighting someone will beat him. That's not offering any kind of amazing insight at all.

None of the guys you mentioned with the exception of Mayweather and maybe Prov have a good chance to beat him right now.

The Pacquiao of old  
Duke Leto : 4/13/2014 10:47 am : link
that went on a terror from Barerra to Margarito is done. Won't see him again. Any of the guys I names can beat him. I stand by both of those statements. A couple of those fighters winning would be major upsets, but I'm not sure anyone will be surprised when Pac loses again, whether it is by KO or decisions
I am still not sure Mayweather beats him.  
dangerousrappingfrog : 4/13/2014 10:50 am : link
Mayweather has slowed down too. He is not nears as quick on his feat as you used to be and that started years ago. That is one if the reasons he doesn't fight guys with good footwork and certainly no lefties bc his defense is built for right handy fighters. He has not been the same guy since his retirement and that is why he fights who he fights.

It is not a given at all that he beats Pac. Sadly we will never know bc Floyd doesn't have the balls to fight him.
Lucas or Maidana would get eaten alive  
dangerousrappingfrog : 4/13/2014 10:53 am : link
By Pac. Hell prob all those guys save Prov and maybe Thurman. Thurman hasn't even fought top comp yet. He looks the part but he still has a lot to prove (and I am a huge fan of his)
I don't get why  
chris r : 4/13/2014 11:17 am : link
when Manny adapts his style to take less punishment and handily beats a top 5 P4P guy, he's vulnerable, but when Floyd, who used to exchange more, adapts a more risk free style, he's a genius.

That said, I think the difference between this Manny and 2010 Manny is that that Manny used to be willing to walk through a few shots in order to get in 10 of his own. After a few rounds of hitting Manny a few times and getting battered in return, opponents would shell up and he'd abuse them.

It is pretty obvious that Roach has been working on his  
dangerousrappingfrog : 4/13/2014 11:54 am : link
Defense and accountability after the Last Marquez fight. This is def a good thing since Pac he's been thru a lot of tough wars over the years. It will only serve to protect him and prolong his career.
Maybe y'all are right.  
Duke Leto : 4/13/2014 2:31 pm : link
Until two guys get in the ring, its all speculation. I don't think a third fight with Bradley will sell, so hopefully Pac and Bradley will be back in the ring before the end of the year in meaningful fights.
good schedule of fights coming up  
chris r : 4/13/2014 7:11 pm : link
Cotto vs Martinez - June 7
Canelo vs Lara - July 12
GGG vs Chavez Jr - July 19
I want so bad for Cotto to beat Martinez  
Duke Leto : 4/13/2014 8:37 pm : link
but I just get the feeling Martinez is gonna chop him up. GGG is gonna bust up Chavez but that will be a really fun fight to watch and will introduce GGG to the casual fans. Lara / Canelo is a great fight with two of the best JrMiddleweights. I don't understand why no belt is on the line
Leto, I don't think Canelo wants to pay the  
dangerousrappingfrog : 4/13/2014 10:33 pm : link
Belt sanction fees and he thinks it Floyd's belt. Reading between the lines, it could be that if Lara loses and maintains his belt, he is still set up for good fights down the road.
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