BBI Mock Draft – DISCUSSION Thread

if these could be stickied for a while...

let the games begin

is the discussion thread too now. ;)

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I've been looking forward to this for a long time.

BigBlueTT is now on the clock for the Rams.

Fall to the 2nd round. Even if one doesn't, smart decision to get the better player as all the QBs have warts.

Hopefully this is the last one for a while. Robinson was the runner up

Rams fans: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I have done a few on BBI and would love a look back.

The results from the past 7 BBI Mock Drafts were posted in the sign-up thread.

Link below:

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I do not have to worry about Will A/P stealing all of my picks this year!

I'm being heckled already!

Andy's first 3 picks.

I've been going back and forth on a couple of guys in 1, would also consider a 3rd guy if he falls (but I'm betting he's gone).

I know you know I really like a certain player that looks to be available in 2, so you'd have a good shot at my first 2.

The guy I want in 3 won't drop - so that one will be more of a mystery.

You know its too bad Reese didn't have my record of drafting OL - a line with Solder-Iupati-Unger-Frederick wouldn't be so bad...

Solder didn't fall in real life

3rd rounder so I'm guessing out of several.

Ouch.

that suddenly retired from football. Christian Ballard and Quinn Pitcock - both were semi promising players after early seasons - both just quit football.

No brainer really. To the Jaguars, Mack is the best defensive player in the draft and top player on their board. He will make an instant impact for Gus Bradley's defense.

feature far fewer early qb picks than the real draft. i'd be surprised to see more than 1 go before 12 in this mock

It usually does... People are reluctant to pull trigger on Bs with warts... Though last year, the NFL GMs did the same... That being said, I still expect to see 2 in the top 12...

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I keep saying that the Browns need to follow my draft plan!

re:3 certainties for the BBI Mock Draft
Modus Operandi : 4/12/2014 8:11 pm : link : reply
1) Andy in Halifax will pick someone a round early and he will be out of the league in 3 years;

2) Kevin in CT, Lionheart and Amtoft will all pick a better players than their respective organizations end up with;

3) CiP will push everyone's shit in for the umpteenth straight year.

I'm behind on my research this year but I will make my (first) 1st rounder today...

Do certain BBI posters represent certain NFL teams?

Yes, typically most draftees are returning and represent the same team each year. Every year there are a handful of open teams that returning draftees get first dibs at switching to. Then the remaining open spots are filled at a first come, first served basis. You can see who represents which team in the google spreadsheet in the OP or in the selection thread:
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gives the Browns leverage with Joe Thomas and has the ability to play 3 or 4 positions on the line. Along with Schwartz, Thomas and Mack he gives the Browns one of the best lines in football.

In comment 11617870 Mike in NY said:

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I do not have to worry about Will A/P stealing all of my picks this year!

response. /thread.

As to why, despite the popularity of this thread, it's never stickied? The question has surfaced several times over the years and I don't ever remember an answer as to why it isnt considered sticky-worthy.

Sweet Baby Jesus!

isn't sticky worthy. Too bad because I think it is one of the more popular events on BBI at this time of year. We are so very entertaining.

this evening

to sit behind Thomas and Schwartz, 2 of the best young OTs in the game?

And others BBIers bitch about picking Donald at 12 becuase he might sit behind Jenkins as a rookie?

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either.

But he starts over Schwartz at RT and he certainly isn't "sitting"...

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Coach Mike Pettine says the Browns could move RT Mitchell Schwartz to guard. Cleveland hasn't seemed comfortable with the idea of Schwartz sticking at right tackle since the season ended. He gave up 11 sacks and 35 hurries in pass protection in 2013. The Browns don't currently have a capable replacement for Schwartz at right tackle but could find one in May's draft.

Plus, he can also step right in at guard if they prefer Schwartz at LT. I'm not worried. You take the best players and let the chips fall where they may.

I could see them taking Robinson if he is there at #4 but that also assumes Jacksonville takes a QB at #3. Not sure they pass on someone like Bortles for Mack

can't miss 12 year all pro stud, you don't pass on drafting him because you have Mitchell Schwartz on your team

No way 3 and possibly 4 teams in desperate need for QBs would pass on the option for the top QB on their board. I hate when people are more concerned with taking the player most likely to make them look good in 3 years compared to taking the player that would be the best fit for the team to draft. That is what puts mock in mock drafts. Stupid

U think Mack will look like a great pick so you take him rather than a QB that will take time to develop. Same with Greg Robinson who is great but over a QB for a team that has nothing! Oh look 3 years later I took Mack and he is a star look at me. In the mean time u screwed ur franchise by not getting a QB.

I think Manziel is a really interesting player in this draft. He has all the hype in the world but no qb like him will ever (in my opinion) win a Super Bowl. I vastly prefer a pocket passer qb. I agree he will go early but I think the team that takes it is making a mistake. A lot of publicity and questionable talent. I think if the draft plays out this way it's not a bad pick but geez there's a lot of good players out there that you're passing up on.

if you draft a QB that will need to be replaced if you draft one because you need a QB. You'll be in the same spot w/i 4 years and nothing to show for it.

Where to start with this pick. Is he the best QB in this class? Maybe tho just watching film I also love Teddy Bridge. Bortles has the ideal size and arm making him an intriguing option for a traditional offense. Much like the one the Raiders will be running this year with Matt Schaub. However when I watch Manziel... When I see Manziel... I hear Manziel... I see it... I hear it... I'm buying it. Not only do I think he will succeed, I think he will sell. To me I can't see Jacksonville or Cleveland passing on him and if they do the Raiders should jump at him. Jerseys, tickets, bobble heads, foam Johnny football fingers, etc. He is exciting and following the new trend that is taking over the NFL he will succeed... IMO of course and if he doesn't at least I got some dolla dolla bills yo!

In comment 11619084 irish27266 said:

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I think Manziel is a really interesting player in this draft. He has all the hype in the world but no qb like him will ever (in my opinion) win a Super Bowl. I vastly prefer a pocket passer qb. I agree he will go early but I think the team that takes it is making a mistake. A lot of publicity and questionable talent. I think if the draft plays out this way it's not a bad pick but geez there's a lot of good players out there that you're passing up on.

Ummm like Russell Wilson?

In comment 11619086 Hades07 said:

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if you draft a QB that will need to be replaced if you draft one because you need a QB. You'll be in the same spot w/i 4 years and nothing to show for it.

So you shouldn't draft Andrew Luck, RG3, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Ben Roth, Jay Cutler, Phillip Rivers, etc etc etc because ur afraid he won't pan out and then u are left with nothing? And if Mack is Aaron Curry then u will be left with nothing. If u have no QB then you would be insane not to take one that can help you more than most LBs could. You can bust out at any position. I would rather start a first round QB and 6th round LB than a 1st round LB and a 6th round QB.

That is why you draft for players and not position. If you need a TE and you draft one in the first but not a player you believe in, you have thrown away your pick. But screwing up a QB pick is more disastrous than a TE.

I think its OK to not go QB if you don't believe in the player. Especially if you really believe in the player you take instead. Like Houston taking Clowney. I don't care how much they need a QB, Clowney is the est player in this draft period.

Look back at 2007. The Raiders really should have taken Johnson.

but hard to argue with taking a blue chip OT when your RT struggled last year.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cleveland takes an OT in 1 then trades back up to the 20-25 range to get a QB if they drop.

They have Indy's pick at 26

Is Watkins going at #2 to St. Louis. I think Rams take Robinson there and that leaves Cleveland taking a QB at #4 and Raiders deciding between Watkins and a QB at #5

Quit bitching about other peoples picks. Maybe I am not sold on any of the "top 3" quarterbacks and I'd rather take someone with my OTHER FIRST ROUND PICK or in the second. I am not passing on a guy who I think is a rare talent in Robinson because you think I need a qb at 4. I think with a dominate offensive line, Gordon and Cameron, Hoyer can win games in Cleveland.

Clevaland has Indy's pick #26 as well.

You sound idiotic right now. Worry about your own picks. You think some GMs irl don't draft players who can help their team immediately rather than 3 years down the road? Some of those guys know they won't be in the building if some tangible improvement isn't seen, and that scenario could play out with any of these teams that could use a qb.

Or, maybe they just don't feel like hitching their careers to a player they don't think is all that good.

either way, shut up and make your own picks. Nothing that's happened so far is beyond what might really take place.

he has linked an article that indicates there are rumors that many of the QB needy teams at the top of the draft may by-pass QB for one of the more talent laden positions because this QB class isn't too impressive, and there is likely going to be decent QBs available in rounds 2 and 3.

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NFL King MMQB: The Draft Games Begin It's a rite of April. Draft chatter is at full buzz and no one knows what's the truth and what's just spin. Let's cut through all that with five things to know as May 8 draws near. Plus, NFL Media's new leader, 10 things and my journey to England Code: "5. A few teams with quarterback needs have an interesting strategy. I’ve heard that at least four quarterback-needy teams—Houston (first pick), Jacksonville (3), Cleveland (4) and Oakland (5)—are strongly considering passing on quarterbacks with their first picks and waiting until their second or third selections. Simple reason: They’re not in love with any of the quarterbacks, and there are too many other good players who are surer things than a quarterback you have sincere doubts about. For that reason, there could be more quarterbacks taken in round two than round one. For instance, Jacksonville really likes Jimmy Garoppolo of Eastern Illinois, and he’d likely be there high in the second round when the Jags pick again, at 39." http://mmqb.si.com/2014/04/14/nfl-draft-jadeveon-clowney-monday-morning-qb/

That does make sense. I haven't been reading any true blue glowing reviews about any of the top QBs this year. There isn't a Luck or RGIII in the lot. I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that the May 8 draft will start off like ours has.

I don't even know if your post deserves a response. I take it that you are mad because Watkins wasn't there for the Raiders? Was it Mack who you wanted? I mean, look at a shit load of other mock drafts. Not many have the Jaguars taking a QB with their first pick.

Is the name calling really necessary? You disagree with him, fine. He is entitled to his opinion, it doesn't make him stupid for thinking it.

MadPlaid

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DefenderDawg has really been great. His threads chock full of off-season articles have been fun and helpful to follow.

Robinson, Matthews and Mack. (Or Clowney but there was no way that was happening)

It was going to be tough to pick between any two of those guys but the Falcons need OL help and Matthews is a great addition.

I can't help but think if the Giants didn't go on their stupid run beating a bunch of crappy teams they could have gotten one of these 3 or Watkins. ...Sigh...

If I was the Falcons GM I would have done the same thing with how the Top 5 went. It will be interesting to see what Tampa, Minnesota, and Buffalo do as that is some of the real wild cards in the draft because there are a lot of different directions they could each go

They are in a great spot to get a bluechip talent early and then make move up (or wait) and take a QB later in 1. I hope it plays out that way there's a run on QB before our pick so we can get Cleveland's 2.

26 and 35 for 12. Do it Jerry. Do it.

Just like in the real draft, there will be plentyof surprises in the first round.

Some people have been reading too many mocks. Let each BBIer play GM for the day, dammit.

Depending who is on the board at 12, that could be an awesome scenario for the Giants.

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I was thinking the same thing. When my pick comes, I will be searching the interwebs for an appropriate gif.

My #4 overall prospect.

I took an approach of breaking the players into tiers and then ranking within a tier by need. QBs bubbled up to the top of each tier and there were multiple in my top 8 picks for number 8 before the draft started.

I think Bortles is the safest QB when you compare him to the prototype for QBs who have been successful in the NFL. Great size and very good mobility for a guy his size. Reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger in this aspect. Level of competition is always a concern with a school like UCF, but wins this season vs Louisville, Rutgers and Baylor show that he can play at higher levels than his in conference schedule would typically include.

Went 5, 6, and 7

In comment 11619373 Andy in Halifax said:

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You mean they are better than my crazy eyes gif of Kyle Long last year or "kick in the nuts"?

those were pics, not gifs unless your gifs were the immobile kind.

My very first pick for the Colts years ago was Roddy White, for which I caught a boatload of shit because the Colts had Harrison and Wayne already.

I don't think the point of this exercise is to predict what teams will actually do pick to pick. I think if each guy picks the guy he thinks his best, in the end it creates an interesting picture and discussion piece prior to the draft.

I actually made mine, there are some websites that let you cut a youtube video into a gif.

In comment 11619138 Hades07 said:

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That is why you draft for players and not position. If you need a TE and you draft one in the first but not a player you believe in, you have thrown away your pick. But screwing up a QB pick is more disastrous than a TE.

So you should just not pick a QB ever then because you don't want to make that more disastrous mistake, BUT then you just passed the position you should put the highest priority on. Without a QB your team is nothing. Look at most of the top QBs and most are 1st rounders.

Ooo! That's cool. Do you have a personal favorite website for creating your own gifs? And is it pretty self-explanatory on how to do it?

The Mock Draft is about to become epic.

doesn't make him a first round talent. Lots of QBs in the 1st round recently have been busts. Look at last year's draft, only 1 QB was taken in the 1st and that was by a team that traded down. None of the guys in this QB class are close to being sure things, so there's no reason they have to be taken early in the 1st.

In comment 11619217 Lionhart28 said:

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Quit bitching about other peoples picks. Maybe I am not sold on any of the "top 3" quarterbacks and I'd rather take someone with my OTHER FIRST ROUND PICK or in the second. I am not passing on a guy who I think is a rare talent in Robinson because you think I need a qb at 4. I think with a dominate offensive line, Gordon and Cameron, Hoyer can win games in Cleveland.

It is a discussion thread... I can bitch all I want. Bitch bitch bitch. I think you should do what is best for your team and Cleveland needs a QB... Jacksonville needs a QB... Houston needs a QB... No way all 3 pass on a QB. It mocks a mock draft that someone would think Hoyer will be good in Cleveland and they don't need a QB and this is my discussion on your horrible pick. Enjoy buddy.

I think he's basically saying that BPA trumps need even if that need is QB. Let's face it, the top QBs this year all have question marks. I can see how they can make the GM's leery to draft them at the top of the draft when there is so much value elsewhere.

they will live with it.

In comment 11619245 Sir-Yes-Sir said:

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You sound idiotic right now. Worry about your own picks. You think some GMs irl don't draft players who can help their team immediately rather than 3 years down the road? Some of those guys know they won't be in the building if some tangible improvement isn't seen, and that scenario could play out with any of these teams that could use a qb. Or, maybe they just don't feel like hitching their careers to a player they don't think is all that good. either way, shut up and make your own picks. Nothing that's happened so far is beyond what might really take place.

Shut up, worry about my own picks, make my own picks, in a discussion thread? And I am the one that sounds idiotic. What is this thread for genius? Shut up and make my own picks... don't say how stupid the picks are when they are stupid. Maybe you should focus your attention on discussing the actual picks in the draft rather than me.... unless you want to start a Amtoft discussion thread.

In comment 11619503 Amtoft said:

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In comment 11619217 Lionhart28 said: Quote: Quit bitching about other peoples picks. Maybe I am not sold on any of the "top 3" quarterbacks and I'd rather take someone with my OTHER FIRST ROUND PICK or in the second. I am not passing on a guy who I think is a rare talent in Robinson because you think I need a qb at 4. I think with a dominate offensive line, Gordon and Cameron, Hoyer can win games in Cleveland. It is a discussion thread... I can bitch all I want. Bitch bitch bitch. I think you should do what is best for your team and Cleveland needs a QB... Jacksonville needs a QB... Houston needs a QB... No way all 3 pass on a QB. It mocks a mock draft that someone would think Hoyer will be good in Cleveland and they don't need a QB and this is my discussion on your horrible pick. Enjoy buddy.

On the Cleveland situation, with a pick later in the 1st, they are free to go non-QB at pick #4 if they like multiple guys further down the board. If you really like Carr and Garrapolo(sp?) as better long term prospects, you could probably get one of them later. A bit of a risk, but in real life you could move up form #26 if you thought you weren't going to get one.

In comment 11619496 Amtoft said:

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In comment 11619138 Hades07 said: Quote: That is why you draft for players and not position. If you need a TE and you draft one in the first but not a player you believe in, you have thrown away your pick. But screwing up a QB pick is more disastrous than a TE. So you should just not pick a QB ever then because you don't want to make that more disastrous mistake, BUT then you just passed the position you should put the highest priority on. Without a QB your team is nothing. Look at most of the top QBs and most are 1st rounders.

Have you suffered recent head trauma?

Way serious.

In comment 11619251 Kevin in CT said:

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I don't even know if your post deserves a response. I take it that you are mad because Watkins wasn't there for the Raiders? Was it Mack who you wanted? I mean, look at a shit load of other mock drafts. Not many have the Jaguars taking a QB with their first pick.

Not joking at all... The only joke is Houston, Jacksonville, and Cleveland all passing a QB. That will never ever happen. That is the joke. Watkins wasn't even in my top 5 picks to be taken by the Raiders. It was Clowney and then Manziel. To me a team like the Raiders and other teams can't afford to pass on Manziel and they won't. So no I was very happy Manziel was there, but I find it disturbing that we are trending towards just taking the top player available rather than the best fit. Is this a top player list or a mock draft where a team is trying to better their team?

In comment 11619254 MadPlaid said:

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Is the name calling really necessary? You disagree with him, fine. He is entitled to his opinion, it doesn't make him stupid for thinking it.

Thank you good sir. I appreciate saying this.

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In comment 11619395 Jay in Saratoga said:

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My #4 overall prospect. I took an approach of breaking the players into tiers and then ranking within a tier by need. QBs bubbled up to the top of each tier and there were multiple in my top 8 picks for number 8 before the draft started. I think Bortles is the safest QB when you compare him to the prototype for QBs who have been successful in the NFL. Great size and very good mobility for a guy his size. Reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger in this aspect. Level of competition is always a concern with a school like UCF, but wins this season vs Louisville, Rutgers and Baylor show that he can play at higher levels than his in conference schedule would typically include.

Great pick Jay and so far the steal in the draft... There is a very good chance he is the first pick in the draft.

You can disagree with my our picks, but why the name calling? My pick isn't stupid :(.

With teams as shitty as Cleveland, you have to wonder if they like QBs in next years draft better too.

and forced a pick for Blaine Gabbert. Minnesota needed one... Christian Ponder. In retrospect, they should have drafted Dalton or Kaepernick or Mallett... but at the time they took the supposed best QBs available. The problem was that those guys simply weren't talented enough to go that high.

Were either of them a better team for taking a QB?

Cleveland needed one... forced a pick for Brandon Weeden. You think Cleveland would have been better off waiting to take Foles/Wilson later?

Yes, I'm cherry-picking examples. But the point is you don't just take a QB b/c you need one, you need to be sure you are getting a long-term answer for the position if you are going to use a top 10 pick on one. Otherwise, you are setting your team back multiple years - just like my examples above who wasted picks on QBs within the last 3 years and are looking for a new QB again.

In comment 11619279 mrvax said:

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Just like in the real draft, there will be plentyof surprises in the first round. Some people have been reading too many mocks. Let each BBIer play GM for the day, dammit.

mrvax... That is exactly what I am doing... You don't think GMs get negative feed back? I am just helping them fulfill their dreams brother!

...I could see each of those teams making the decision to wait until their next pick to take a QB, or wishing to take a blue chip player with their first and trading back up in the first to take their QB. Each of those teams have high 2nd picks in a weak QB draft. Why take one in the top 5 overall if you don't think he will be the answer at QB for the team.

The only QB in this draft I would spend a first on and it wouldn't be a high one is Carr. A desperation pick at a position of need does not fix your position of need, see: Joseph, William.

In comment 11619504 MadPlaid said:

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I think he's basically saying that BPA trumps need even if that need is QB. Let's face it, the top QBs this year all have question marks. I can see how they can make the GM's leery to draft them at the top of the draft when there is so much value elsewhere.

The only position that usually trumps BPA is QB. If you don't have a QB it doesn't usually matter who you have at OT, LB, DE, or WR... Or TE, OG, C, DT, RB, CB, Safety (free and strong!), or FB.

you haven't gotten better.

In comment 11619143 Jay in Saratoga said:

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I think its OK to not go QB if you don't believe in the player. Especially if you really believe in the player you take instead. Like Houston taking Clowney. I don't care how much they need a QB, Clowney is the est player in this draft period. Look back at 2007. The Raiders really should have taken Johnson.

Bingo.

FWIW, I would've taken Marcus Mariota with the first overall pick if he declared. But he obviously decided to stay in school, so the choice became obvious.

In comment 11619538 Amtoft said:

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The only position that usually trumps BPA is QB. If you don't have a QB it doesn't usually matter who you have at OT, LB, DE, or WR... Or TE, OG, C, DT, RB, CB, Safety (free and strong!), or FB.

But what if these QBs aren't the QB to have?

In comment 11619523 Amtoft said:

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In comment 11619395 Jay in Saratoga said: Quote: My #4 overall prospect. I took an approach of breaking the players into tiers and then ranking within a tier by need. QBs bubbled up to the top of each tier and there were multiple in my top 8 picks for number 8 before the draft started. I think Bortles is the safest QB when you compare him to the prototype for QBs who have been successful in the NFL. Great size and very good mobility for a guy his size. Reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger in this aspect. Level of competition is always a concern with a school like UCF, but wins this season vs Louisville, Rutgers and Baylor show that he can play at higher levels than his in conference schedule would typically include. Great pick Jay and so far the steal in the draft... There is a very good chance he is the first pick in the draft.

Thanks, though had I been picking 1st it wouldn't have been Bortles. I would have taken Clowney, Watson or Mack in that order ahead of him. Also would have taken Robinson and one other prospect still on the board ahead of any of the other QBs.

I agree with the sentiment of these QBs feeling like less of a sure thing than in some other years. Also with the vikes having Cassell as a caretaker for a year or two I could have gone with more of a project in the 2nd round or later.

Bortles was the one really clean prospect at QB in my opinion so I pulled the trigger and hopefully solved the problem at the most important position on the field.

In comment 11619526 Lionhart28 said:

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You can disagree with my our picks, but why the name calling? My pick isn't stupid :(. With teams as shitty as Cleveland, you have to wonder if they like QBs in next years draft better too.

I am sorry I didn't think I name called anyone once? If you thought I was name calling at you I wasn't. The only thing I can think that I said was it was stupid that 3 teams in dire need of a QB, the most important position to a team, would all pass on one. I never once said Lionhard28 you are an idiot or whatever else people are saying about me... What is it now I have head trauma or some other stupid response.

I am busting your balls about calling my pick stupid. No worries.

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The only joke is Houston, Jacksonville, and Cleveland all passing a QB. That will never ever happen. That is the joke.

this is no longer your opinion. you are stating it like it's fact. if you don't realize by now that teams do unexpected things during a draft you must be 9 years old.

picking qbs early is no guarantee of success, so if you're not crazy about them, or think guys like carr, mccarren, savage, etc etc etc are about the same, you'd be a fool to take one early.

In comment 11619515 Modus Operandi said:

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Way serious.

Damn straight!... You know how much time and energy it takes to figure out what the Raiders need every year with usually hardly any picks at all... Dedication!

with me at QB with this theoretical line, Gordon, Cameron and Ben Tate.

In comment 11619546 Jay in Saratoga said:

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In comment 11619523 Amtoft said: Quote: In comment 11619395 Jay in Saratoga said: Quote: My #4 overall prospect. I took an approach of breaking the players into tiers and then ranking within a tier by need. QBs bubbled up to the top of each tier and there were multiple in my top 8 picks for number 8 before the draft started. I think Bortles is the safest QB when you compare him to the prototype for QBs who have been successful in the NFL. Great size and very good mobility for a guy his size. Reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger in this aspect. Level of competition is always a concern with a school like UCF, but wins this season vs Louisville, Rutgers and Baylor show that he can play at higher levels than his in conference schedule would typically include. Great pick Jay and so far the steal in the draft... There is a very good chance he is the first pick in the draft. Thanks, though had I been picking 1st it wouldn't have been Bortles. I would have taken Clowney, Watson or Mack in that order ahead of him. Also would have taken Robinson and one other prospect still on the board ahead of any of the other QBs. I agree with the sentiment of these QBs feeling like less of a sure thing than in some other years. Also with the vikes having Cassell as a caretaker for a year or two I could have gone with more of a project in the 2nd round or later. Bortles was the one really clean prospect at QB in my opinion so I pulled the trigger and hopefully solved the problem at the most important position on the field.

In addition to Bortles I like Bridgewater too despite the poor Pro Day. He is not at the Andrew Luck level, but he reminds me of a better version of Andy Dalton/Alex Smith who you can get to the playoffs and won't make a lot of stupid decisions. Manziel and Carr I do not see what the hype is and I question whether they will be starting QB in the NFL. I guess I am lucky being the Ravens in the Mock Draft as Joe Flacco and his salary mean I am not likely to be looking at QB early on

In comment 11619529 YAJ2112 said:

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and forced a pick for Blaine Gabbert. Minnesota needed one... Christian Ponder. In retrospect, they should have drafted Dalton or Kaepernick or Mallett... but at the time they took the supposed best QBs available. The problem was that those guys simply weren't talented enough to go that high. Were either of them a better team for taking a QB? Cleveland needed one... forced a pick for Brandon Weeden. You think Cleveland would have been better off waiting to take Foles/Wilson later? Yes, I'm cherry-picking examples. But the point is you don't just take a QB b/c you need one, you need to be sure you are getting a long-term answer for the position if you are going to use a top 10 pick on one. Otherwise, you are setting your team back multiple years - just like my examples above who wasted picks on QBs within the last 3 years and are looking for a new QB again.

That is big time cherry picking. Most starting QBs in the league are first round draft picks. This isn't, what 3-5 years ago, when you gave the 1st pick in the draft a 80 million dollar contract. Missing on a QB in the first doesn't set you back as far as it used to because there is no big money tied to the pick. If anything it is safer to take a QB now.

In comment 11619541 Hades07 said:

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you haven't gotten better.

Same thing if you take a shitty LB right? If you take any shitty player you won't get better we can agree on that. However if the LB is great and the QB is great who would you want?

In comment 11619555 Sir-Yes-Sir said:

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Quote: The only joke is Houston, Jacksonville, and Cleveland all passing a QB. That will never ever happen. That is the joke. this is no longer your opinion. you are stating it like it's fact. if you don't realize by now that teams do unexpected things during a draft you must be 9 years old. picking qbs early is no guarantee of success, so if you're not crazy about them, or think guys like carr, mccarren, savage, etc etc etc are about the same, you'd be a fool to take one early.

Yes I am the 9 year old... good comment buddy. It is all opinions... It is only a fact when it is actually a fact.

in the war room!

Never! He makes these threads awesome.

none of the guys I listed got big money. All 3 teams are in the top 10 3 years or less later and still looking for a QB. Clearly they've been set back by those decisions.

If I need a QB and I'm not sold on the options in the top 10, I'd rather get a good-great player at a different position and roll the dice later on a QB.

In comment 11619581 Amtoft said:

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In comment 11619541 Hades07 said: Quote: you haven't gotten better. Same thing if you take a shitty LB right? If you take any shitty player you won't get better we can agree on that. However if the LB is great and the QB is great who would you want?

So their choices are a shitty QB or a shitty LBer? No good players available?

Seems I have to go slowly for you:

If there is no QB you like or believe will be a answer for your team at QB. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if QB is your biggest need.

IIf there is no RB you like or believe will be a answer for your team at RB. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if RB is your biggest need.

If there is no WR you like or believe will be a answer for your team at WR. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if WR is your biggest need.

If there is no TE you like or believe will be a answer for your team at TE. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if TE is your biggest need.

If there is no OL you like or believe will be a answer for your team at OL. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if OL is your biggest need.

If there is no DL you like or believe will be a answer for your team at DL. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if DL is your biggest need.

If there is no LB you like or believe will be a answer for your team at LB. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if LB is your biggest need.

If there is no DB you like or believe will be a answer for your team at DB. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if DB is your biggest need.

If there is no K you like or believe will be a answer for your team at K. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if K is your biggest need.

If there is no P you like or believe will be a answer for your team at P. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if P is your biggest need.

In comment 11619653 Hades07 said:

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In comment 11619581 Amtoft said: Quote: In comment 11619541 Hades07 said: Quote: you haven't gotten better. Same thing if you take a shitty LB right? If you take any shitty player you won't get better we can agree on that. However if the LB is great and the QB is great who would you want? So their choices are a shitty QB or a shitty LBer? No good players available? Seems I have to go slowly for you: If there is no QB you like or believe will be a answer for your team at QB. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if QB is your biggest need. IIf there is no RB you like or believe will be a answer for your team at RB. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if RB is your biggest need. If there is no WR you like or believe will be a answer for your team at WR. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if WR is your biggest need. If there is no TE you like or believe will be a answer for your team at TE. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if TE is your biggest need. If there is no OL you like or believe will be a answer for your team at OL. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if OL is your biggest need. If there is no DL you like or believe will be a answer for your team at DL. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if DL is your biggest need. If there is no LB you like or believe will be a answer for your team at LB. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if LB is your biggest need. If there is no DB you like or believe will be a answer for your team at DB. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if DB is your biggest need. If there is no K you like or believe will be a answer for your team at K. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if K is your biggest need. If there is no P you like or believe will be a answer for your team at P. You don't take one because of need. If there is a player at another position that will be good and help your team improve than you take that player even if P is your biggest need.

Let me slow it down for you... Since you can't get this and I won't take up nearly as much space except to quote that long post you wrote... If you don't have a QB your team sucks. There are 3 QBs with top 10 grades some people think 4. If you don't think a QB will go in the top 4 you are entitled to your opinion, but it is a long shot opinion. I disagree and think your reasoning for passing on a QB is a false one. I also believe that people would rather play it safe and pick a player they think will probowl rather than the pick that would be better for the team long run. That way when you come back in 3 years you can say hey look at who I took. I don't do that.

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none of the guys I listed got big money. All 3 teams are in the top 10 3 years or less later and still looking for a QB. Clearly they've been set back by those decisions. If I need a QB and I'm not sold on the options in the top 10, I'd rather get a good-great player at a different position and roll the dice later on a QB.

They aren't set back... They suck because they don't have a good QB... Do you think they would be much better if they had a stud LB or would they still suck because they have no QB?

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Never! He makes these threads awesome.

Just wait to your pick... [img=insert awesome gif with naked chicks surrounding the devil]

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... In addition to Bortles I like Bridgewater too despite the poor Pro Day. He is not at the Andrew Luck level, but he reminds me of a better version of Andy Dalton/Alex Smith who you can get to the playoffs and won't make a lot of stupid decisions. Manziel and Carr I do not see what the hype is and I question whether they will be starting QB in the NFL. I guess I am lucky being the Ravens in the Mock Draft as Joe Flacco and his salary mean I am not likely to be looking at QB early on

I love the Smith comp for Bridgewater. i think that's spot on.

In comment 11619669 Amtoft said:

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In comment 11619652 YAJ2112 said: Quote: none of the guys I listed got big money. All 3 teams are in the top 10 3 years or less later and still looking for a QB. Clearly they've been set back by those decisions. If I need a QB and I'm not sold on the options in the top 10, I'd rather get a good-great player at a different position and roll the dice later on a QB. They aren't set back... They suck because they don't have a good QB... Do you think they would be much better if they had a stud LB or would they still suck because they have no QB?

They suck because they took a QB who suckedand had to wait for him to flop instead of waiting for an opportunity to get a better QB.

...does not matter. If the GM in question does not have a player (QB or otherwise) graded out for that high a pick, they will not or should not take him simply because of need. Filling a position of need with a player that you do not think is very good but are only taking him because it plays the position of most need, is a very bad decision. You seem to feel it is not possible that each of those teams individually make the same decision to wait on a QB. It is very possible, I don't believe it is likely because teams make dumb decisions with QBs all the time, but it is possible. You notice those teams that keep taking QBs high because they need a QB always seem to need a QB.

In comment 11619669 Amtoft said:

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In comment 11619652 YAJ2112 said: Quote: none of the guys I listed got big money. All 3 teams are in the top 10 3 years or less later and still looking for a QB. Clearly they've been set back by those decisions. If I need a QB and I'm not sold on the options in the top 10, I'd rather get a good-great player at a different position and roll the dice later on a QB. They aren't set back... They suck because they don't have a good QB... Do you think they would be much better if they had a stud LB or would they still suck because they have no QB?

They sucked because they took a poor QB because they needed one instead of getting a better player at another position? And you are recommending they do it again?

In comment 11619676 YAJ2112 said:

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In comment 11619669 Amtoft said: Quote: In comment 11619652 YAJ2112 said: Quote: none of the guys I listed got big money. All 3 teams are in the top 10 3 years or less later and still looking for a QB. Clearly they've been set back by those decisions. If I need a QB and I'm not sold on the options in the top 10, I'd rather get a good-great player at a different position and roll the dice later on a QB. They aren't set back... They suck because they don't have a good QB... Do you think they would be much better if they had a stud LB or would they still suck because they have no QB? They suck because they took a QB who suckedand had to wait for him to flop instead of waiting for an opportunity to get a better QB.

And when is that opportunity then? Wouldn't that be right now. Again if they took Mack back then instead of Gabbert would Jacksonville be any better? By how much with still out a QB I would say a game maybe two at most. It is extremely tough to win without a QB and most starting QBs come in the first round... So if you don't have a QB and there are QBs rated there you take him. You don't shy away because you missed before. No QB is going to be perfect. They are going to all have question marks. Peyton, Eli, Rivers, Roth, Rodgers, etc... they all had question marks.

In comment 11619685 Hades07 said:

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In comment 11619669 Amtoft said: Quote: In comment 11619652 YAJ2112 said: Quote: none of the guys I listed got big money. All 3 teams are in the top 10 3 years or less later and still looking for a QB. Clearly they've been set back by those decisions. If I need a QB and I'm not sold on the options in the top 10, I'd rather get a good-great player at a different position and roll the dice later on a QB. They aren't set back... They suck because they don't have a good QB... Do you think they would be much better if they had a stud LB or would they still suck because they have no QB? They sucked because they took a poor QB because they needed one instead of getting a better player at another position? And you are recommending they do it again?

I can't keep explaining to you that a good LB wouldn't of fixed Jacksonville or Cleveland last year. The only thing that will fix them is a good QB which they need. You don't agree fine, then don't agree. You are not even in this draft... your arguments bore me. Have a good day sir.

available in the draft that will solve your QB position you don't take one in the top 5 because you need one. Because if you take a QB that you don't think will be your answer at QB, you haven't filled your need.

While I agree he has the talent I am wondering if he will fall due to the off the field concerns.

Better either.

I get what you are saying, but here is the flaw in your logic: "If you don't have a QB your team sucks. There are 3 QBs with top 10 grades some people think 4. "

You are assuming that all GMs have those 3/4 QBs in the top 10. I think all of the talk we are hearing about QBs dropping (who knows if it's true) lately gives credence to the idea that most people DO NOT have these QBs in their top ten. I (for one) had only 1 QB in the top 10 and just barely.

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While I agree he has the talent I am wondering if he will fall due to the off the field concerns.

As the "GM" I was very disappointed that Matthews & Evans were off the board. I was hoping 1 of them would fall to me. It came down to Lewan, Ebron & Barr. Lewan can step in and make a difference year 1. Barr was a very close 2nd and while I like Ebron, I can get value at TE in rds 2 or 3.

I'm very disappointed that Lewan is gone as that's who I had decided to take. I'll have a pick up shortly, debating between a couple of guys.

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I get what you are saying, but here is the flaw in your logic: "If you don't have a QB your team sucks. There are 3 QBs with top 10 grades some people think 4. " You are assuming that all GMs have those 3/4 QBs in the top 10. I think all of the talk we are hearing about QBs dropping (who knows if it's true) lately gives credence to the idea that most people DO NOT have these QBs in their top ten. I (for one) had only 1 QB in the top 10 and just barely.

I am sorry you lost me at I have a flaw... If that is what it is so be it. I am not so sure though. No need to keep dwelling on it though.

I gotta decide. Might have to flip a coin between two guys...

I have one person on my list who I think will be there. Knowing my luck Rick will select the last name on my list with his pick

Wanted an OT (again), but all 3 were off the board. Would have gone with Evans if he'd fallen. Came down to Gilbert/Ha Ha/Barr. Wasn't in love with Gilbert, though he's a popular choice for the Lions in many mocks. Flirted with Barr, but couldn't go with a conversion/part-time player with the 10th pick. Lions need a true FS and Ha Ha is the best one in the draft.

I stand a good chance of making my pick mid-day tomorrow. Sweet!!

Typical BBI Mock, unexpected picks being taken earlier than predicted. Others falling. I doubt GB would be interested in any of the free-falling QBs, but it could be tempting. Last year's round robin of QBs really hurt the Packers when Rodgers was out.

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Wanted an OT (again), but all 3 were off the board. Would have gone with Evans if he'd fallen. Came down to Gilbert/Ha Ha/Barr. Wasn't in love with Gilbert, though he's a popular choice for the Lions in many mocks. Flirted with Barr, but couldn't go with a conversion/part-time player with the 10th pick. Lions need a true FS and Ha Ha is the best one in the draft.

Interesting pick as they need help at CB desperately and the top CBs were all there, but then you look and see a need for a Safety also and realize there are 3-4 good safeties and a lot of good CBs. Really like Ha Ha, but it would have been tough to pass on Gilbert for me.

aren't the best starters, but they will look better with a good FS back there. Plus I can still address CB in the 2nd or 3rd.

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Wanted an OT (again), but all 3 were off the board. Would have gone with Evans if he'd fallen. Came down to Gilbert/Ha Ha/Barr. Wasn't in love with Gilbert, though he's a popular choice for the Lions in many mocks. Flirted with Barr, but couldn't go with a conversion/part-time player with the 10th pick. Lions need a true FS and Ha Ha is the best one in the draft.

If those were the 3 guys you were deciding between I do concur with Ha Ha for the Lions. I too do not think Gilbert is worth the #10 pick and Barr does not really fit the Lions' scheme. Barr needs to go to a 3-4 team. With how the draft is falling I could see why the Lions have been linked to Eric Ebron although they are a prime candidate to trade down in real life if someone is looking to get ahead of the Giants or St. Louis

Ideally I would have traded up to grab a WR/OT or traded down a few spots once the first 9 picks fell this way and still grabbed Ha Ha or Gilbert

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And when is that opportunity then? Wouldn't that be right now. Again if they took Mack back then instead of Gabbert would Jacksonville be any better? By how much with still out a QB I would say a game maybe two at most. It is extremely tough to win without a QB and most starting QBs come in the first round... So if you don't have a QB and there are QBs rated there you take him. You don't shy away because you missed before. No QB is going to be perfect. They are going to all have question marks. Peyton, Eli, Rivers, Roth, Rodgers, etc... they all had question marks.

The Jags would absolutely be better off right now if all they did was take JJ Watt or Robert Quinn instead of Gabbert. Even if they ended up with the same record, having one of those guys on the team instead of the 6th rounder they get this year for dumping Gabbert would have them one piece closer to being a good team.

With pick #11, the Tennessee Titans select

Anthony Barr, OLB - UCLA
6'5" 255 lbs.

As a Junior and Senior:

23 1/2 Sacks
41 1/2 Tackles for loss
10 Forced Fumbles

Titans have moved to hybrid defense that will utilize much more of a 3-4 look. They lost a starting corner, but need Barr to fill the DeMarcus Ware type role in this defense, and can not resist the impact plays that Barr brings with him to the Tennessee D

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Now does Andy go with Donald? Ebron? A Center because every year Andy drafts a Center?

Dennard and Gilbert for the Titans for sure, but stuck to my board, for another position the team could certainly use.

I doubt Carr was under consideration for Andy, so we'll see where he goes.

typo - Barr

I actually think Bridgewater does slide on Draft Day possibly out of the first round.

I'll figure it out in a sec & make my pick.

did we allow a freaking Canuck to be in charge of our pick?

Don't fuck this up!

I attribute it to his good looks and warm personality.

And, I don't owe him money or nothin'.

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aren't the best starters, but they will look better with a good FS back there. Plus I can still address CB in the 2nd or 3rd.

I agree about being able to get CB a little bit later while Safety won't be as easy to get especially a FS.

You all love me.

Especially CiP, you should see the pics he sends me...

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Dennard and Gilbert for the Titans for sure, but stuck to my board, for another position the team could certainly use. I doubt Carr was under consideration for Andy, so we'll see where he goes.

I don't know I think Barr would be great for the Giants... I have seen Barr play so many times and he is amazing. This is a good fit also.

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I'll figure it out in a sec & make my pick.

Come on we all know who the pick should be.... Don't mess it up!!

I know what I would do.

Martin or Donald for me, and it would depend on what I knew about Beatty's true prognosis.

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Martin or Donald for me, and it would depend on what I knew about Beatty's true prognosis.

I am not as high on Martin as most. I see a pretty good guard or a pretty good OT. The best part of him is he is versatile, but to me that isn't a reason to take him at 12.

To me this would be a rough 1st round for the Giants as I would love one Greg Robinson, Clowney, Matthews, Watkins, Mack, or Evans... to me they are the top 6 players in this draft that aren't QBs. I also would consider Barr for the Giants because I think he can be used as an OLB especially to blitz and even put his hand down. He isn't nearly as good with his hand down, but could get a lot better with more experience. His talent though is off the charts.

I'd be much happier if the Giants could trade down, but that's not an option here.

Ebron...

You'd hope with some QBs and CBs still available a trade down would be an option here. Unless the Giants love Donald, that'd be ideal.

would be looking for Donald, and I would not mind that at all, but my first choice would be Ebron

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You'd hope with some QBs and CBs still available a trade down would be an option here. Unless the Giants love Donald, that'd be ideal.

that's the thing about passing on QB early. You deplete the talent pool and make it easier for yourself to trade back up if you need to grab your QB later in the 1st.

I think the pick is going to be Ebron. Although, if the draft fell this way, I would like to see the Giants trade down. The opportunity to do so I think would be great if the draft was anything like this.

Obviously not an option in the BBI draft, but I would be working Cleveland for the #26 and #35 if I were Reese.

Usually, I'm all about BPA. But our need at OL is really digging at me. I'll stop delaying and make my pick in a sec.

I DON'T CARE HOW HANDSOME YOU ARE!

what could be a huge weapon on D. Teams win on the LOS (as long as they have a QB), I think Donald was too good to pass up.

Not taking OLine was very tough, but I think Donald was the best player available so I grabbed him.

Would love to add him to the pass-rush rotation. It fills a need at 3T as well as a need for another pass rusher on third down. Great pick.

He's the guy I hope the Gmen do select on May 8. That would be really sweet!!


What do you guys say? Did he screw it up? Nay nay, says I.

Could not complain if it worked out like this.

if he gets a WR/TE in round 2.

Good pick, Andy.

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what could be a huge weapon on D. Teams win on the LOS (as long as they have a QB), I think Donald was too good to pass up. Not taking OLine was very tough, but I think Donald was the best player available so I grabbed him.

Ok this draft is getting more and more ridiculous. No way does Andy ever pick a player I like. This is a complete mess and must be a mistake!

The about Donald though... Even at the short height I can see him flexing out to DE also. Play a lot like Tuck where you can play him at DE and then on passing downs DT. He is also able to play DT the whole game or when we are up, but the threat of the run is still there. When you look at positions of immediate need DT/DE/PassRusher is right up there on top for me. Donald can help with all 3 imo. Great pick Andy.

1. Greg praises VT player (check)
2. Amtoft likes Andy's first round pick (check)

Note sure what the rest are, but I'm sure we're headed for disaster!

Why would CLE feel compelled to move up to #12 for a QB? Once a QB makes it passed MIN at #8, they are likely to make it down to #20 (ARZ)...

well chosen Andy.

he's got long arms and plays with great strength and leverage. I am really beginning to hope that he is the guy in a few weeks.

Also a team like the Jets, whose biggest need is WR, may be willing to move out of Round 1 to a team like Houston who might want to jump Arizona

pass on a perfect Giant OL for a rotational/situational pass rusher. Fixing the pass rush was Job 2. Fixing the OL was Job 1. Alas, now we have to hope Bitonio is there in round 2.

Back to the drawing board. Thank you to all of you worthless ingrates for talking him up so much :)

that Andy from Northern Maine was a jerseyjoe sockpuppet and this cements it.

sockpuppet...LOL!

Pretty excited about that.

was wrong.Damn crazy canuck.

Roto just came out with a mock draft you will absolutely love!

1. Clowney
2. Mack
3. Watkins
4. Evans
5. Donald
Josh Norris Mock - ( New Window )

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Roto just came out with a mock draft you will absolutely love! 1. Clowney 2. Mack 3. Watkins 4. Evans 5. Donald Josh Norris Mock - ( New Window )

:-|

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pass on a perfect Giant OL for a rotational/situational pass rusher. Fixing the pass rush was Job 2. Fixing the OL was Job 1. Alas, now we have to hope Bitonio is there in round 2.

So, Donald is a rotational/situational pass rusher only? Simply based on his size, at this moment? You should watch more film. The idea on BBI that this guy is a liability in the run game is complete bullshit. He is dominant in all phases, and will get bigger and stronger with time.

Indicated that he plans to select this evening

I would think that CB would be in discussion at this pick.

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In comment 11620129 Phil in LA said: Quote: pass on a perfect Giant OL for a rotational/situational pass rusher. Fixing the pass rush was Job 2. Fixing the OL was Job 1. Alas, now we have to hope Bitonio is there in round 2. So, Donald is a rotational/situational pass rusher only? Simply based on his size, at this moment? You should watch more film. The idea on BBI that this guy is a liability in the run game is complete bullshit. He is dominant in all phases, and will get bigger and stronger with time.

Those are a lot of assumptions you are making. I like Donald a lot and would be happy with the pick; however, there is a lot of risk there. To say he will be dominant in all phases? How many NFL caliber guards did he face in his college career? I will be shocked if it is more than 5. His size could be a liability, how many DTs have their been in the NFL his size in the past 10 years? 1? 2? He has great film and athletism and worth the risk at 12, but let's not pretend he doesn't carry some risk due to size. Also he may not get bigger and even if he does, it may not be a positive for his game.

that you say that it is MY post that is full of assumptions. Phil flat out said he was a situational pass rusher. No ifs, ands, or butts. And you're ok with that. Yet I bring up the fact that he HAS BEEN absolutely dominant (yes, even in the run game) and you say that's a lot of assumptions? That is fact that he's been dominant. Whether or not he can be dominant at the next level is another matter. Is there a single player in this draft that we can say will be a lock to be a stud? Absolutely not. Every player is a question mark, but Donald keeps getting held to different standards than the rest of them. You act like he won't get bigger and stronger. He will. Warren Sapp, who he is most compared to, was 284 coming in to the draft.

I have no idea if he can carry it over to the next level, but this idea that he has no chance needs to stop. That's why I chimed in. It's ridiculous. I was simply giving the counter argument, it was Phil with the assumptions. But since you obviously agree with him, you decided to call me out for the assumptions. Which is cool, I suppose.

...I disagree with him, but at least while hating the pick he admidts the player has some strengths to bring to the table, you discounted any flaw is his game.

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...I disagree with him, but at least while hating the pick he admidts the player has some strengths to bring to the table, you discounted any flaw is his game.

I did? I just don't see the need to bring up flaws, since his flaws have been the common theme around here. I was countering the argument

Once LTS does his thing.

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pass on a perfect Giant OL for a rotational/situational pass rusher. Fixing the pass rush was Job 2. Fixing the OL was Job 1. Alas, now we have to hope Bitonio is there in round 2.

Also, please show me in this post where he acknowledges the strengths that Donald brings to the table. He absolutely doesn't. You keep cherry picking.

being in good shape but TT nabbed right before.

Always need to retool those CBs and like Gilbert more than dennard overall with the return skills especially with Hester departing.

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Once LTS does his thing.

You are up now. Do we have to wait until the morning?

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being in good shape but TT nabbed right before. Always need to retool those CBs and like Gilbert more than dennard overall with the return skills especially with Hester departing.

Great pick and great fit.

There is tension in the stands this year. GM's are taunting fans attending the draft. Team execs are fighting. Cats and dogs living together!

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Andy took the right guy. Donald has true impact potential. If Barr, Lewan or Evans had made it to #12 I might feel differently. Probably Andy's best first rounder as Giants GM to date.

right now. If it comes to the Panthers pick today, I'll make it about noontime. If not, I'll email some choices to Matt even though we technically weren't starting until Thursday.

It's 1:17 pm here. Hurry the eff up with the 15th pick already! The Dolphins are ready to pick at 19. I'm looking for the next scumbag to add to that shitty squad.

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We aren't even on the clock yet...

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For the fact that we are not on the clock a little under 1/2 a round in a day is not bad and there are a number of active drafters coming up. Looking at who is left on my board Teddy Bridgewater is clearly BPA, but as the Ravens I do not have the luxury to take a QB with my first pick. In my top tier that has players left at postions the Ravens could use there are two players I am focusing on so hopefully Pittsburgh does not take one of them because then that will mean that at least one will fall to me at #17

Going BPA since Barr,Donald and Clinton-Dix already off the board.jerry would probably try to trade down to lower part of first round at this point but we can't in this mock draft.he definitely will surprise with this pick coming up .
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As soon as you pick Rick since Pittsburgh just submitted their selection and it guarantees that at least one of the two players I zeroed in on after that puny maggot TT took Zack Martin will be there :)

And they found him in Dennard. Dick LeBeau’s 3-4 defense demands physical play from his corners both on the outside in coverage, and in the run game. Dennard is the most talented player in this draft to fit that mold. Though not the tallest at 5’ 11″, he is highly touted for his press coverage and tackling ability.

Draft into the strength of this draft.WR group is the strongest since 1996 when Key Johnson,Marvin Harrison,Terrell Owens,Eric Moulds,Terry Glenn,Amani Toomer and Mushin Muhammad were selected. Beckham on my board is a blue chip player and replaces Austin Miles on the Cowboy roster. Jerry will try to trade down in the draft as I mentioned above and target Shazier who the Cowboys really like if Barr,Donald Nd Clinton-Dix have been selected.

As mentioned earlier, Teddy Bridgewater was clearly my BPA but I could not justify selecting a QB with my first pick

Turning to the top tier with players that I could justify using my first pick on, the two players that stood out were Calvin Pryor and Oregon State WR Brandin Cooks. Had they gone 15 and 16 I probably would have taken Odell Beckham Jr. at 17. In the end I decided to go with Pryor because, not surprisingly to me, Matt Elam struggled as a rookie and the Ravens really do not have anyone to play next to him. S is also one of the thinnest positions in this draft and if I had to put off WR for at least a round or two I think I could still get a good talent, but once you got beyond the top 3 or 4 S's (Pryor, Dix, Bucannon, Ward) you are really look at CB conversions more than experienced S

was a run to the podium pick at 18. Not only is he the BPA, he also plays a position of tremendous need. When you can combine those two, it's a no brainer.

Ignore my email ;o)

I was actually mid-email to you with my mini big board when I saw that all of the last 3 picks before mine had been made.

comments on the Buffalo pick of taylor Lewan? Nobody really said much and I wouldn't mind some feedback. Bit of a reach at 9? Should I have gone with Barr instead? Someone else?

The Bills have a lot of needs and like the Lions at #10 the top 8 did not fall the way the Bills would have liked. Those two I could see wanting to trade down. Bills seem fine at LT but need a RT more. I guess if they think Lewan can play there it makes sense. Otherwise do you move someone like Cordy Glenn over to RT and put Lewan at LT? Two guys I am not a fan of, Eric Ebron and Mike Evans, I could see being on Buffalo's radar. The other thing I have questions about is what will happen at S because of Byrd's status. He leaves and suddenly someone like Clinton-Dix or Pryor could be a target

He signed with the Saints a month ago.

I had forgotten to mark that off. With him gone you cannot rule out S in Round 1

Ha was definitely on my radar due to the need at S, but I felt like that was even more of a reach at 9 than Lewan. Basically, the draft did not fall the way I was hoping it would and a Trade Down deinitely would have been best case scenario at that point, IMO.

I'm happy w/ Lewan though. Our RT was ranked 2nd worst against the run in the league. I def think lewan is an immediate upgrade, but I would have preferred to take him/Ebron/Barr/Dix at 12-13-14 range depending on who remained on the board. I think you start Lewan @ RT and depending on how it goes, you can shuffle him 7 Glenn around if need be.

Just logged on. Give me some time to narrow down my short list, and then I'll make the pick sometime soon.

Lewan is gone, I know you wanted another douchebag to add to the offensive line :)

In comment 11621148 Lionhart28 said:

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Hardy effin har har!

He might have to take Fuller or Moses instead.

I picked Mosley because of the combination of the value and need that he provided for the Dolphins at this spot. I had me eyes set on Zach Martin to be honest, but cest la vie. I'm happy with Mosley, and almost picked another defensive player, but went in this direction instead. Mosley is a very smart player with excellent instincts and leadeship skills on the second level of the defense, and is a player I'd love the Giants to actually pick; however, they have needs on the OL that can't be ignored.

Anywho, word is in real life that the Fish actually might pick this kid if he falls to them at 19, so watch out for that this year. I was spot on last year in terms of guessing which players would wind up with Miami (e.g., Dallas Thomas, and the kicker from the Univ. of Florida).

I almost took 2 of the 3 players you mentioned.

I thought it made sense given the circumstances. I didn't want to reach for an OL at this point. Fulller was tempting though. I think he's the best CB in the draft.

I think he is a ten year starter and leader for whatever defense drafts him.

but he's a damned good player. Miami needs just about everything - he's a good start.

Jerry Reese actually saw that in 2013 w/Beason---the one good thing to come out of this past season.

he's the kind of guy you can build a defense around. If he were more physical, the kind of player that would really strike you, I'd be an even bigger fan.

Accidentally sent to GMenLTS... Sorry, please ignore...

I also have Madplaid's pick ready to go...

Bridgewater to Arizona

was deciding between Bridgewater or Carr although was contemplating picking a position player who may make me look good in few years

As discussed, we still aren't even on the clock...

In comment 11621297 DCPollaro said:

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I like it. Palmer needs an heir apparent and I think Bridgewater and Bortles are the only consensus 1st round QB's that I see as starters (not a fan of Manziel or Carr)

With the 20th pick in the 2014 BBI Mock Draft, the Green Packers select:

Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State

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here's a guy that really flies around and will get after you. He was on the Pats 1st Round radar. Nice get.

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I can see Xavier Su’a-Filo being the pick.

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Marqise Lee has familiarity with Matt Barkley so they could go in that direction. I know what I would do if I was Cippy in this spot

a big Shazier fan... Some will think it is a little bit early, but I think he could be better than Mosley who I also like a lot.

Barkley's presence impacting the Eagles draft strats is a reach.

if they can't draft with Barr or Donald.All 3 coming in for pre draft visits at Valley Ranch.

kicking our asses and just call him a dick now?

In comment 11621467 Andy in Halifax said:

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kicking our asses and just call him a dick now?

It's always an apt time to call Chris a dick. A small one, but a dick nonetheless.

Great pick. Shazier is a stud and someone I'd be perfectly happy to see us draft if we have an opportunity to slide back a bit via trade down.

I'm coming up with CIN

I knew CiPpy couldn't resist a nice beaver

firmly on the side of trying to pick how I think the team will pick. There's been a lot of smokescreen lately how Kelly wants to get bigger WR's. I don't buy it. Cooks fits the mold of what he's looking for replaces DJacc to boot. I thought long and hard about a couple other players here on both sides of the ball, but this dude just screams Eagles pick to me.

Another weapon to diversify his offense. Predictable selection with the departure of Desean Jackson. Solid pick comes off the board where expected.

In comment 11621548 Matt G said:

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Oops. Didn't realize you were picking from his list.

Great pick, MadPlaid.

I would have taken Cooks there as well, especially since he was the other guy I was debating with the Ravens' pick at 17

good pick

*crickets*

I really wanted to make my pick myself, but I've been away from a computer all day, and posting on bbi from an iPhone is a pain in the ass.

I'm glad Ryan was available when I picked. The packers need help with team speed on d. He's going to be a big part of improving the pack's d.

Don't get me wrong he is great and I am happy he is no longer on Oregon State, but Chip Kelly does like taller physical WRs. I would expect him to take a Jordan Matthews or Robinson in the second if they fall that far. I don't think they want to replace DeSean Jackson at all with someone like DeSean. If Jackson fit Kelly's mold of a WR he would still be on the Eagles. Kelly has taken more than his share of troubled difficult players through the years. The nice thing about Cook though he is a much better blocker than DeSean.

even on your board before I told you! No, he wasn't.

Chiefs desperately need WR help, a 1-2 combo of Bowe & Lee could be pretty damn good.

I still think he can be that special receiver most thought he was a year ago.

I think he will be really good, I am just worried about injury with him. He reminds me a little of Percy Harvin.

Jaccson would still be on the team if he wasn't a cunt making $10 million per year.

In comment 11621883 Chris in Philly said:

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Jaccson would still be on the team if he wasn't a cunt making $10 million per year.

If he was a cunt would the Redskins sign him... Oh good point.

Really though the Eagles can afford it, if he was worth the headaches. His stats justify the salary also, but he isn't what Chip likes. They just like Cooper better who is big WR that fits Chips offense. Plus Riley and Kelly have a lot in common.... Like Cooper starts with a C... Chip starts with a C... Riley ends in a Y and Kelly ends in a Y... Hmmm what else?

Considering he put up the stats he did in Kelly's offense with his stature. Seems pretty obvious it was Kelly getting rid of a player who wasn't buying in and was seen as a possible disruption, especially after the guy had already made a big deal about a contract dispute before.

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Considering he put up the stats he did in Kelly's offense with his stature. Seems pretty obvious it was Kelly getting rid of a player who wasn't buying in and was seen as a possible disruption, especially after the guy had already made a big deal about a contract dispute before.

Not exactly... Chip would think that Jackson got those stats because of his offense, but he was a liability in his offense when the ball wasn't thrown to him. If you watch Oregon and soon Philly they will run a lot of WR screen passes, short passes and they expect their WRs to block... All of their WRs. Jackson can't block and he wasn't going to be in Philly long anyways. His attitude just sped it up and gave them a reason.

on the situation from years of seeing Chip Kelly and of course DeSean.

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Nice picks guys.

DC - I love the selection of Bridgewater for the Cards. Dare I say it was Aaron Rodgers-esque? Possible #1 overall pick falls to the second half of the 1st round of the draft.

Chris - I think what you said makes sense regarding Cooks and Kelly. Good shit.

I'm goin back the eff to sleep, lol. Gotta go to work in 4 hours.

Well fuck you very much! ;D

has gone deep into the war room...was expecting to see Clowney available, now in full fledged panic.

My bad. I'm just in a zombie state now. Lee's a very good value pick at 23, and makes a lot of sense for Numbnuts Reid and KC. He'd fit in well with their style of offense. So far, a lot of the picks fit the teams from a real life perspective. My only thing is that in real life I think the QBs wwill be picked earlier than they are in our Mock.

In comment 11621262 Torrag said:

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he's the kind of guy you can build a defense around. If he were more physical, the kind of player that would really strike you, I'd be an even bigger fan.

Yeah, his physicality, or lack thereof, is a little bit of an issue for me too. His intelligence, speed and instincts though make up for it in my opinion.

With the 24th pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select:

Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech


Plenty to like about this kid... He has good size and length... A fluid athlete who can quickly flip his hips to change direction and recover... NFL bloodlines (Vincent & Corey)... Ability to play inside and and outside, press and zone... Extremely physical in run support... Most important for the position (IMO), his ability to come out of his backpedal and break on the ball is exceptional... Does a great job of reading and jumping routes... IMO, Kyle Fuller is the top CB in this draft and would be a solid addition to a CIN secondary that needs to get younger...

I haven't been on much but I've been keeping an eye on the BBI Draft. I like how instead of trying to predict the draft the "GMs" just do what they feel is the best decision. Suffice to say, I was screaming at the message board for the Bengals to pick Kyle Fuller. Just made way too much sense. Probably their biggest need and the value was definitely there. Kony Ealy would have been a remote thrower for me.

Just decided to sign in to say that.

I thought CiP was going to take Fuller.

Was on way home from work and then promptly handed teething baby...

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serious thought for sure.

Hopefully he gets his pick in tomorrow am... I have FMIC's pick for Charlotte ready to go as well...

nice pick Matt G.

I loved Bridgewater to the Cards at 2 too btw for DCPollaro. That was absolutely the right pick to make.

1. Houston (Will Allen/Peterson) – *Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
2. St. Louis (BigBlueTT) from Was - *Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
3. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) - Khalili Mack, DE/OLB, Buffalo
4. Cleveland (Lionhart28) - *Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn
5. Oakland (Amtoft) - *Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
6. Atlanta (NoGainDayne) - Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
7. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island) - *Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
8. Minnesota (Jay in Saratoga) - *Blake Bortles, QB, UCF
9. Buffalo (NJGiantFan84) - Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
10. Detroit (YAJ2112) - *Hasean Clinton-Dix, FS, Alabama
11. Tennessee (Sir-Yes-Sir) - Anthony Barr, DE/OLB, UCLA
12. New York Giants (Andy in Halifax) - Aaron Donald, DT/DE, Pittsburgh
13. St. Louis (BigBlueTT) - Zack Martin, OT/OG, Notre Dame
14. Chicago (GMenLTS) - Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
15. Pittsburgh (Gmen-in-SC) - Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
16. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) - *Odell Beckham Jr, WR, LSU
17. Baltimore (Mike in NY) - *Calvin Pryor, FS, Louisville
18. New York Jets (Jon in NYC) - *Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina
19. Miami (Optimus-NY) - C.J. Mosley, MLB, Alabama
20. Arizona (DCPollaro) - Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
21. Green Bay (MadPlaid) - Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State
22. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly) - Brandin Cooks, WR/RS, Oregon State University
23. Kansas City (Giantology) - Marqise Lee, WR, USC
24. Cincinnati (Matt G) - Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
25. San Diego (uconngiant) - Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
26. Cleveland (Lionhart28) fr Ind - On the clock
27. New Orleans (Big Rick in FL)
28. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte)
29. New England (Torrag)
30. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock)
31. Denver (jlukes)
32. Seattle (English Alaister)

the more I like. I think he could be the best of the class this year.

As we get closer to the end of the 1st round, I think I like this class better than most years (first round talent).

waiting for the NY Giants second round pick to see whose life Andy ruins next.

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... the question in this scenario becomes whether they can wait and take him in the second round. Didn't the previous regime face a similar choice with Weeden? (IIRC, they got that one terribly wrong.)

Probably Carr, but could be McCarron or Garapolo(sp?).

They run the risk of Houston nabbing their guy.

Unlikely but possible. Not sure I'd gamble if I were Cleveland, especially with Houston sitting there waiting for a QB.

In comment 11622471 Andy in Halifax said:

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Unlikely but possible. Not sure I'd gamble if I were Cleveland, especially with Houston sitting there waiting for a QB.

Didn't Denver already draft Oswieler as the heir apparent to Manning?

If they go for Greg Robinson at 4 and the top 25 plays out this way I am not sure there is a much better option because the best non-QB are all DL/CB which are the strongest parts of their roster. Had someone like Marqise Lee fallen I think they may have gone that route, but with him gone there really is no other option for them but a QB. Although not a weakness, the flexibility of someone like Kony Ealy in a 3-4 especially if Pettine wants to rush the passer with his DE's like a Wade Phillips-style 3-4 (versus being just run stuffers like in a Romeo Crennel 3-4) that may be an option

maybe in rounds 3-4, but nothing before then - if at all

Derek Carr is just as likely to have a great career as the top 3 guys. His fundamentals, arm strength etc are top in the class. I think people associate his brother's lack of success with him, and mentally downgrade him for it...

I agree on the sentiment that his brothers career seems to taint him in the eyes of some. To paraphrase a common saying that was flung around back in 2004 about our Q:

If his name was Derek Smith, he would be in consideration in the top half of the first round.

If the Browns like Carr it's time to pull the trigger. He could be in play for Houston or others to trade up for him.

It would be a unique situation if in the real draft Carr was there for Houston @33. Would their trials and tribulations with his brother factor into their decision.

It's just a no brainer. Huge need, great value, and you made sure to help him out right away by giving him a blue chip OL prospect (Greg Robinson). Browns have the 3rd pick in the 2nd round and can easily get a top RB or a great WR there to help Carr out even more. This would be an absolutely unreal draft for the Browns even though they missed out on the opportunity to pair Watkins up with Gordon and Cameron.

to pick him, knowing how their fan base will react to him.

pick to be in shortly...

He wasn't ahead of Bortles though, so I got the better guy. But had the 1st 7 picks played out differently, I wouldn't have had a problem taking him.

If the draft fell like this in reality. This is what they want, but know can't happen. Unfortunately, they are going to have to "reach" for a QB with their #4 pick because the top 4 QBs will be long gone by this pick.

We can watch Amtoft's head explode.

350 in the second round. I belienve he has as much upside as Carr.

In comment 11622538 Jay in Saratoga said:

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Yeesh. Carr is no lock to be anything but a bust at the next level, but that would be pretty wild for the Browns to pass up on the opportunity to get a legitimate talent at QB so late in the first. It's not like there is another position of pressing need that slipped here to where you gotta think twice.

and grab Mettenberger/Murray/Savage in the 2nd or 3rd

Carlos Hyde in play,.They need a RB as much as a QB.

that made me LOL. Amtoft's reaction would potentially be epic.

but that's just me. His only other "needs" are RB and WR and it's not like some crazy talent fell there. Can easily get a stud at either of those positions at the top of the 2nd round.

I don't think it's getting too cute if they don't like Carr (which I personally don't like him enough to pick him here). If they do like Carr, I agree they should take him now and not get cute.

Derek Carr - QB, Fresno State



The Browns like this kid just as much as any of the "Top 3" QBs in this class and believe he has the most arm talent of the 4. With Kyle Shanahan now running the offense with his trademark zone scheme, adding another powerful, athletic lineman was paramount to jumpstart Cleveland's woeful ground game. Now they are able to grab their QB in Derek Carr.

Carr possesses the ability to make all the throws and has underrated athleticism. He's a fiery leader and had fantastic production in college. While he played predominantly in the shotgun in a spread offense, he showed excellent smooth drops during his pro day. He also won't be forced to start day one unless Hoyer is not healthy. Cleveland sees him as the QB with the highest floor in this draft.

Boylhart: "Derek does an excellent job adjusting to what he sees on the field compared to what he sees in pre-game film sessions. He shows good accuracy on most passes and has excellent velocity on his ball to be considered by those cold weather teams when the winds become troublesome for the passing game. He has solid athleticism and does a good job throwing on the run for planned roll-outs" - Perfect for Shanahan's west coast offense.

Mettenberger/Murray/Savage all of which have either injury/character/size/savvy concerns. If Cleveland is serious about obtaining a starting QB out of this draft Carr #26 is a true value pick. As others have noted if his brother wasn't a bust he'd have gone in the Top 20 minimum imo.

damn solid value pick Lion. Browns would do cartwheels with how round 1 fell.

taking here over Carr were Fuller and Lee and they both just got picked so this was a no-brainer to me. I actually really like some of the later round QB prospects so I didn't feel forced to reach on a QB at all (eat me, Amtoft) ;)

The mock draft fell perfectly for you. Forgo the QB early and take the Blue Chip lineman early. Hope things fall just right, so you can pick up your QB of choice later. Well done.

...keep it rolling...

Just gonna say it now to give Amtoft more time to tear me a new one. I'm not taking McCarron or Savage or Murray or another quarterback at the top of the second round.

who I "know" you will pick for a QB?

I really like one of the other QBs but he is more a round 4 guy

at 12. I'd trust in whatever decision he made at that point (unless it was Ebron, dammit)!

There is a QB I like more than those you listed y name.

I don't think he makes it to the 3rd round.

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In comment 11622579 YAJ2112 said:

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I don't think it's getting too cute if they don't like Carr (which I personally don't like him enough to pick him here). If they do like Carr, I agree they should take him now and not get cute.

They could use a CB, sure. But when we are talking about "need", that's a different story IMO. They need a QB. They need an RB. I don't think a pick should get forced, but it really seemed as if the stars aligned for this particular pick. Carr can easily be a bust, but you can't pass on the opportunity to get a starting QB when you don't have one. I think he's a way better prospect than Z Mett. But it seems like we're on the same page for the most part, we just disagree on what kind of prospect Carr is. Which is fine.

In comment 11622644 Jay in Saratoga said:

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There is a QB I like more than those you listed y name. I don't think he makes it to the 3rd round.

I'm guessing it's Mettenberger. Not taking him at the top of the second round either.

Nice pick Lion. The pick can easily blow up in your face in 3 years, but I think a team without a QB should always be trying to find their next franchise QB whenever possible. You're also putting him in the best possible situation to succeed. He's going to be taking snaps behind what should be a dominant OL with the addition of Robinson, and has a lot of talent to throw to. Who knows, maybe he'll have more weapons by the end of Day 2.

McCarron opting out gave him a chance and ultimately could have moved him ahead in the QB competition. He'd be my next QB off the board.

I think a team with a QB nearing the end would be wise to invest in him. Develop him for a year or two and then transition.

I respect the hell out of your opinions when it comes to college foosball, but I think you're out of your friggin' mind to ignore QB for the first 2 rounds. I get you want to stock up on premiere talent, but Texans are going nowhere without a QB.

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hoping at least one of them makes it to me.

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hoping at least one of them makes it to me.

I'm pretty certain who one of them are. I'd be spit balling at who the others are.

In comment 11622678 AnotherGiantsFan said:

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I respect the hell out of your opinions when it comes to college foosball, but I think you're out of your friggin' mind to ignore QB for the first 2 rounds. I get you want to stock up on premiere talent, but Texans are going nowhere without a QB.

The Texans would also go nowhere by taking a guy like McCarron or Murray at the top of the 2nd round. Taking a quarterback you don't believe in whatsoever with an early selection exacerbates the problem.

It's easy (and ignorant) to just assume they'd be able to draft a true franchise QB talent in a future year. You have no idea where you'll be picking in the future, but you can think about how you'd go about it philosophically.

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I could see Boyd going late Day 3. No way I'd touch him that high.

I thought it was bold of you to not go for a QB with the 1st overall pick, but I just assumed you fell in love with someone you think you could snag at the top of the 2nd. Walking away from the first couple of rounds with no QB to show for it is tough IMO.

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I thought it was bold of you to not go for a QB with the 1st overall pick, but I just assumed you fell in love with someone you think you could snag at the top of the 2nd. Walking away from the first couple of rounds with no QB to show for it is tough IMO.

Differences in opinion, that's all. I would've taken Carr if he fell to the top of the 2nd, even though Houston's fan base would hypothetically despise the selection. But he came off the board a few picks ahead of me, so I'm not going to panic and take a quarterback I don't like way too early just for the sake of taking one.

is hoping Griff Robles or Nathan Scheelhasse makes it to his 3rd round pick.

Don't mean any maliciousness or anything. Just my opinion for discussion's sake.

It's weird, I wouldn't blink twice if the Jaguars didn't take a QB in the first couple of rounds. I guess that's because I believe they have a long way to go as far as rebuilding goes and it doesn't really matter who their QB is. I just think the Texans are in a position to where they are a QB from contending again.

I gave you shit about taking Robinson, but you gambled and got it right that Carr was still available. Well played.

I don't think the QB they need is even in this draft. Forget value draft position, I don't see any of these QBs with the ability to be a top franchise type QB. Quality starter sure, plenty of them, but none of them are what you need to carry you to a SB. If you can't get one of those you are better off strengthening everywhere else, so you can win with a game manager type QB.

that O-line would be gross. Thomas, Mack, Robinson, Schwartz. Ben Tate, Gordon, Cameron and Andrew Hawkins in the slot. They should be able to score some points.

Mettenberger in 4th round or not take a QB and hope the Texans go in the tank so he can get Winston or Mariotta in 2015.

...I'm telling you, it has to be Scheelhasse he is looking at.
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Let me save you the trouble... There are 4 QBs in this draft and teams in dire need of a really good one Jacksonville and Houston will now have nothing. Who cares though it is a mock draft and the owners don't have to actually worry about getting a QB. That is Jacksonville's problem. They only have to draft the best players so they can say look at me!!!

Savage sucks, Meten sucks, McClar sucks, Murray sucks... I like Fales, but other than that the rest of the QBs are horrible.

My point in that being if you are Houston and you have a huge need at the most important position and you pass on the top QB on your board... Sure your DEs are amazing, but you won't get a good QB unless you trade up big time. Same with Jacksonville. You pass on the top QB on your board and now what? Play all next year with a crappy QB, but hey your LB is great! You had your choice of QBs and now next year you will again need a QB. Lets go to Cleveland the team with the most likely reason to pass on a QB because they have another first rounder. Still you pass on your top QB on your list and hope there is one available or you will have no shot at a QB that is any good.

If Bortles goes #1 which I think he will... Jacksonville takes a QB... Then Cleveland will most likely miss a chance at a QB later in the draft. After it fell no QBs top 3 the gamble paid off for Cleveland in this draft. Counting on Hoyer as your "QB" is a joke though. A journeyman backup QB at best. The way it worked out in this draft though Cleveland made the risky, but correct move. Grabbed the second best player in the draft and still got one of the top 4 QB. Well played sir.

In comment 11622814 Amtoft said:

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Let me save you the trouble... There are 4 QBs in this draft and teams in dire need of a really good one Jacksonville and Houston will now have nothing. Who cares though it is a mock draft and the owners don't have to actually worry about getting a QB. That is Jacksonville's problem. They only have to draft the best players so they can say look at me!!! Savage sucks, Meten sucks, McClar sucks, Murray sucks... I like Fales, but other than that the rest of the QBs are horrible. My point in that being if you are Houston and you have a huge need at the most important position and you pass on the top QB on your board... Sure your DEs are amazing, but you won't get a good QB unless you trade up big time. Same with Jacksonville. You pass on the top QB on your board and now what? Play all next year with a crappy QB, but hey your LB is great! You had your choice of QBs and now next year you will again need a QB. Lets go to Cleveland the team with the most likely reason to pass on a QB because they have another first rounder. Still you pass on your top QB on your list and hope there is one available or you will have no shot at a QB that is any good. If Bortles goes #1 which I think he will... Jacksonville takes a QB... Then Cleveland will most likely miss a chance at a QB later in the draft. After it fell no QBs top 3 the gamble paid off for Cleveland in this draft. Counting on Hoyer as your "QB" is a joke though. A journeyman backup QB at best. The way it worked out in this draft though Cleveland made the risky, but correct move. Grabbed the second best player in the draft and still got one of the top 4 QB. Well played sir.

huh? The must have been impressed by his performance against them last year...

and suck for 4 years or take another position suck for one year and get a QB you believe in next year.

If the teams you mention do pass on a QB that are rated highly, the only reason they would do so is if they don't think he is good enough. If they did they wouldn't ignore the gaping hole.

I don't understand why you advocate a team taking a player they don't think is good because of a need.

he checks in shortly.

hopefully he is available to make his selection.

First round almost done. Would be great to have it finished before the official start date of the BBI Mock.

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so Carolina goes Offensive Line. I like it, but the second round could see a thinning of the WR herd.

My response is to the numerous posts directed at me... Don't want me to continue talking about it then stop bringing it up. Apparently I have to beat a horse into glue for some of you.

I think he goes much higher in the actual draft.

and look to be some of the BPA right now.

DT-Jernigan
DT-Nix
DT-Hageman
DE-Ealy
DE/T-Tuitt

Though I think the Pats could possibly look at Amaro here.

Sorry guys... Today has been madness for me...

In comment 11622814 Amtoft said:

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Let me save you the trouble... There are 4 QBs in this draft and teams in dire need of a really good one Jacksonville and Houston will now have nothing. Who cares though it is a mock draft and the owners don't have to actually worry about getting a QB. That is Jacksonville's problem. They only have to draft the best players so they can say look at me!!! Savage sucks, Meten sucks, McClar sucks, Murray sucks... I like Fales, but other than that the rest of the QBs are horrible. My point in that being if you are Houston and you have a huge need at the most important position and you pass on the top QB on your board... Sure your DEs are amazing, but you won't get a good QB unless you trade up big time. Same with Jacksonville. You pass on the top QB on your board and now what? Play all next year with a crappy QB, but hey your LB is great! You had your choice of QBs and now next year you will again need a QB. Lets go to Cleveland the team with the most likely reason to pass on a QB because they have another first rounder. Still you pass on your top QB on your list and hope there is one available or you will have no shot at a QB that is any good. If Bortles goes #1 which I think he will... Jacksonville takes a QB... Then Cleveland will most likely miss a chance at a QB later in the draft. After it fell no QBs top 3 the gamble paid off for Cleveland in this draft. Counting on Hoyer as your "QB" is a joke though. A journeyman backup QB at best. The way it worked out in this draft though Cleveland made the risky, but correct move. Grabbed the second best player in the draft and still got one of the top 4 QB. Well played sir.

Again? The quarterback class is weak, really weak. Jacksonville has a long ways to go before they are relevant so why not try to build the team up in other areas. This team will not be a playoff contender next year. A quarterback in the first or second round is not going to change that. Especially with this group of quarterbacks. You are free to slam my picks. I'll continue to draft my way.

There are about 30 players I have almost evenly ranked right now. The Giants should be able to get a really good player in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

You jackass!

In comment 11623036 Lionhart28 said:

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There are about 30 players I have almost evenly ranked right now. The Giants should be able to get a really good player in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

Agreed, some good OL, WR and TE still on the board:

Su'a-Filo
Kouandijo
Yankey

WR
Robinson
Matthews
Adams

TE-Amaro, Niklas

In comment 11622783 bob in tx said:

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Mettenberger in 4th round or not take a QB and hope the Texans go in the tank so he can get Winston or Mariotta in 2015.

Like I said in the beginning of the thread, I would've taken Mariota at No. 1 with no hesitation if he declared.

Also would've taken Carr at the top of the 2nd round if he fell a few more spots.

But I took Clowney at No. 1, apparently so I could say "look at me" in a few years. Or something. Even though that's what they're probably going to do next month in the actual draft.

You know what is entertaining? Go back in the archives for pre-draft chatter and read the volume of declarations of what will and will not happen by posters on the site. It is surprising (not really) the number of things that won't happen that actually did happen.

In comment 11623033 Kevin in CT said:

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In comment 11622814 Amtoft said: Quote: Let me save you the trouble... There are 4 QBs in this draft and teams in dire need of a really good one Jacksonville and Houston will now have nothing. Who cares though it is a mock draft and the owners don't have to actually worry about getting a QB. That is Jacksonville's problem. They only have to draft the best players so they can say look at me!!! Savage sucks, Meten sucks, McClar sucks, Murray sucks... I like Fales, but other than that the rest of the QBs are horrible. My point in that being if you are Houston and you have a huge need at the most important position and you pass on the top QB on your board... Sure your DEs are amazing, but you won't get a good QB unless you trade up big time. Same with Jacksonville. You pass on the top QB on your board and now what? Play all next year with a crappy QB, but hey your LB is great! You had your choice of QBs and now next year you will again need a QB. Lets go to Cleveland the team with the most likely reason to pass on a QB because they have another first rounder. Still you pass on your top QB on your list and hope there is one available or you will have no shot at a QB that is any good. If Bortles goes #1 which I think he will... Jacksonville takes a QB... Then Cleveland will most likely miss a chance at a QB later in the draft. After it fell no QBs top 3 the gamble paid off for Cleveland in this draft. Counting on Hoyer as your "QB" is a joke though. A journeyman backup QB at best. The way it worked out in this draft though Cleveland made the risky, but correct move. Grabbed the second best player in the draft and still got one of the top 4 QB. Well played sir. Again? The quarterback class is weak, really weak. Jacksonville has a long ways to go before they are relevant so why not try to build the team up in other areas. This team will not be a playoff contender next year. A quarterback in the first or second round is not going to change that. Especially with this group of quarterbacks. You are free to slam my picks. I'll continue to draft my way.

Again only reason it was brought up again was because people continue to talk about it. I have no problem responding to the people that want to keep talking about it... You want to talk about is fine with me. This QB class is not that weak at all. It has 4 1st rounders while last year had 1. After those 4 players though it falls way off. I don't see a draftable player out side of Fales much later in the draft. Jacksonville has even longer to go still because they still don't have a QB. If you were drafting I guess you would be waiting until next year? I am not slamming your picks and I think Mack is really good. I am stating my opinion that coming out of this draft without one of the top 4 QBs is not a good move. I am sorry you are so offended by my opinion.

In comment 11623062 Will Allen/Peterson said:

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In comment 11622783 bob in tx said: Quote: Mettenberger in 4th round or not take a QB and hope the Texans go in the tank so he can get Winston or Mariotta in 2015. Like I said in the beginning of the thread, I would've taken Mariota at No. 1 with no hesitation if he declared. Also would've taken Carr at the top of the 2nd round if he fell a few more spots. But I took Clowney at No. 1, apparently so I could say "look at me" in a few years. Or something. Even though that's what they're probably going to do next month in the actual draft.

I don't know about that WAP... I think they either move down or take Bortles. I think Clowney to the Texans is a long shot. I think most likely maybe Buffalo moves up to #1 and takes Clowney. I can also see Cleveland jumping to Jacksonville to get their top QB also. We will see though.

That would be killer for the Giants. However, I am with WAP, Clowney #1.

are going to go in the next 2 picks.

In comment 11623144 Lionhart28 said:

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That would be killer for the Giants. However, I am with WAP, Clowney #1.

To Houston? Really think Houston will go Clowney? If so that is very interesting. I can't see it. I can see them trading or taking Bortles, but we will see soon enough.

who loves the short passing game. An accurate young leader, who makes great decisions is going to be more important than the huge arm to him IMO. I wouldnt be surprised if he gets a guy (or 2) he likes in round 2 and later. I'm not sold on any of these QBs enough to take them at #1. Definitely don't see them taking Manziel though.

In comment 11623168 jlukes said:

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are going to go in the next 2 picks.

Because they are the top two players left? I think people always worry about that when they are almost up. I have a clear 2 players... Then a group of 4 players... Then another group of 4 players... Hoping one of my B group makes it so need 2 players ranked outside of my top 6 within the next 7 picks.

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who loves the short passing game. An accurate young leader, who makes great decisions is going to be more important than the huge arm to him IMO. I wouldnt be surprised if he gets a guy (or 2) he likes in round 2 and later. I'm not sold on any of these QBs enough to take them at #1. Definitely don't see them taking Manziel though.

Interesting... I didn't watch a ton of PSU so I am not sure what his offense will look like. I do know they really like Bortles and Bridge. If they pass on a QB in the first would they really reach for a QB at the top of the second though? If they do go Clowney then at that point I wait until the 3rd or 4th round at best.

Clowney goes No. 1. I believe some teams view him as a once in a decade player (yeah I know that gets said every year.) The question is, does Houston view him as such? I think they do and I think o'Brien may lean towards drafting a QB in other rounds. But, i could easily be wrong. there are a number of directions they can go with that pick that does not include taking a QB. Though, if they don't want a QB or Clowney, they'd be crazy not to do everything they can to trade down.

I agree that the QB class is not as weak as some make it out to be. IMO, this is a viewpoint formed from the fact that there is no consensus top QB & most are viewed as guys needing some development. But there could be 3-4 Solid QB's taken in the 1st two rounds.

I think a guy like Garappolo could be very successful as a mid-2nd round pick. In 2 years, it wouldn't surprise me if there were 5 starting QB's in the league from this draft. I doubt they'll all be franchise QB's, but a number of guys from this class will get their fair shot.

Think Pats circa 2011. Multiple tight ends, lots of motion, complimentary short routes. The offense that allowed former walk-on Matt McGloin to lead the Big Ten in passing year 1 and actually play in the NFL.

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Think Pats circa 2011. Multiple tight ends, lots of motion, complimentary short routes. The offense that allowed former walk-on Matt McGloin to lead the Big Ten in passing year 1 and actually play in the NFL.

That is right... I forgot he was the Pats OC... interesting thoughts then about who their 2nd and 3rd rounder might be as you have to think TEs will be on their draft board.

thanks for the information!

In comment 11623119 Amtoft said:

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In comment 11623062 Will Allen/Peterson said: Quote: In comment 11622783 bob in tx said: Quote: Mettenberger in 4th round or not take a QB and hope the Texans go in the tank so he can get Winston or Mariotta in 2015. Like I said in the beginning of the thread, I would've taken Mariota at No. 1 with no hesitation if he declared. Also would've taken Carr at the top of the 2nd round if he fell a few more spots. But I took Clowney at No. 1, apparently so I could say "look at me" in a few years. Or something. Even though that's what they're probably going to do next month in the actual draft. I don't know about that WAP... I think they either move down or take Bortles. I think Clowney to the Texans is a long shot. I think most likely maybe Buffalo moves up to #1 and takes Clowney. I can also see Cleveland jumping to Jacksonville to get their top QB also. We will see though.

It'll be interesting to see what they do. I think they take either Clowney or Bortles, with the edge going to Clowney. I'll gladly admit I was wrong if they go in a different direction.

In comment 11623245 Will Allen/Peterson said:

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In comment 11623119 Amtoft said: Quote: In comment 11623062 Will Allen/Peterson said: Quote: In comment 11622783 bob in tx said: Quote: Mettenberger in 4th round or not take a QB and hope the Texans go in the tank so he can get Winston or Mariotta in 2015. Like I said in the beginning of the thread, I would've taken Mariota at No. 1 with no hesitation if he declared. Also would've taken Carr at the top of the 2nd round if he fell a few more spots. But I took Clowney at No. 1, apparently so I could say "look at me" in a few years. Or something. Even though that's what they're probably going to do next month in the actual draft. I don't know about that WAP... I think they either move down or take Bortles. I think Clowney to the Texans is a long shot. I think most likely maybe Buffalo moves up to #1 and takes Clowney. I can also see Cleveland jumping to Jacksonville to get their top QB also. We will see though. It'll be interesting to see what they do. I think they take either Clowney or Bortles, with the edge going to Clowney. I'll gladly admit I was wrong if they go in a different direction.

This is the NFL draft... We are all right at times and we are all wrong at times. That was just my opinion on Houston. If we had to admit when we were wrong for every wrong pick then we would run out of space on BBI. Very rare that picks get slotted correctly and with no trades we are limited in what we can do.

and Torrag is not here.... and I have to leave and go home soon! ^%!@!^%@!!

is the second cutoff for talent. After Fuller, Ford, Lee, Cooks go, there are a ton of good DTs and OL but not much difference between 28 and 50.

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is the second cutoff for talent. After Fuller, Ford, Lee, Cooks go, there are a ton of good DTs and OL but not much difference between 28 and 50.

Agreed which is why I would be careful about being so quick to jump on the proposal for the Giants to trade #12 for #26 and #35 because it may put us below the second cutoff in the early 20's unless enough players unexpectedly fall. I'd almost be willing to take, hypothetically, Pick #20 and a lower 2nd Round pick and still be above the early 20's cutoff if we are looking at a trade down

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Absolutely agree.

In comment 11623326 Pete from Woodstock said:

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and Torrag is not here.... and I have to leave and go home soon! ^%!@!^%@!!

Before you go send Matt a 2 player board to use.

Busy day at work. Have to review a few things...if you told me the DL starved Pats would have Ealy/Hageman/Jernigan/Nix all on the board @29 I'd have called you crazy.

As well

He's the goods.

IMO, there is a drop off after those two... I also think the gap between Bridgewater/Carr and McCarron, Garrapolo, Mettenberg, Savage, etc is not that great...

Clowney types don't come along too often...

In comment 11623419 Torrag said:

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Busy day at work. Have to review a few things...if you told me the DL starved Pats would have Ealy/Hageman/Jernigan/Nix all on the board @29 I'd have called you crazy.

I agree... Good place to be in right now for you and NE. The hardest part is which one do you like best.

In comment 11623444 Matt G said:

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IMO, there is a drop off after those two... I also think the gap between Bridgewater/Carr and McCarron, Garrapolo, Mettenberg, Savage, etc is not that great... Clowney types don't come along too often...

See maybe that is my problem... I am high on Bridge and see Carr in the running for a high pick as well. After those 4 though it is crap. I don't think much of the other players at all. They suck I wouldn't even waste a draft pick on them.

I think he's a great fit in the 3-4... I keep reading detractors talk about him being a "one trick" pony, but holy cr*p what a trick it is... I typically prefer DEs who are able to use both their speed as well as their power to collapse the pocket (eg Chandler Jones), but Ford's first step is so fast and his ability to bend around the edge is as good as I've seen in a while... If he keeps developing his pass rush arsenal, he's going to terrorize opposing OL...

I think he's a great fit in the 3-4... I keep reading detractors talk about him being a "one trick" pony, but holy cr*p what a trick it is... I typically prefer DEs who are able to use both their speed as well as their power to collapse the pocket (eg Chandler Jones), but Ford's first step is so fast and his ability to bend around the edge is as good as I've seen in a while... If he keeps developing his pass rush arsenal, he's going to terrorize opposing OL...

Tough decision to make with the talent available. If this scenario unfolded in RL I'd have tried to move back a few spots and still landed one of the top D-linemen available.

Hageman gets the nod based on his disruptive play and versatility. BB has employed multiple fronts in recent years. He's gone to a base 4-3 while occasionally morphing to various 3-4 odd fronts. Hageman can be a force in both. He's equally capable of playing the 1-tech in a 4-3 set or the 5-tech in a 3-4 look. His length there would be ideal. IMO he was the most adaptable of the prospects available while offering significant upside. BB will demand and get the best from him. Pretty amped up he was available this late in Round 1.

Because he has the ability to play inside or outside in the 3-4 like Haloti Ngata. If anybody can find a way to keep him motivated it is Belichick

Great pick.

Was hoping Hageman would fall to 33.

and Tuitt. Holy hell there is some talent on the DL in the draft this year.

You should grab another DL and add to that gross front 7 you are building in Houston!

You putting together the friggin' Purple People Eaters or what?

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You putting together the friggin' Purple People Eaters or what?

That was the plan.

But Romeo Crennel has ruined many 3-4 DL because he wants them all to be run stuffers

if Houston puts Clowney with Watt I'm hella glad they aren't in our division...or conference for that matter. QB's won't be safe around those two together.

In comment 11623564 Torrag said:

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if Houston puts Clowney with Watt I'm hella glad they aren't in our division...or conference for that matter. QB's won't be safe around those two together.

I would agree if they weren't going to run a 3-4... or is that not going to be the case?

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39 seconds

25 seconds

11 seconds

But if Romeo Crennel reverts back to his KC scheme of having his 3-4 DE exclusively stop the run and only rush the passer as a last resort it would not scare me

Would hate to see him go to San Fran or Seattle.

according to some of their beat guys.

not as high on Ford as many are....

good pick for the panthers...they need wr's badly, but an OT as well, so grabbing the big guy first makes sense.

Just caught this on Walter football re: Carr

"There have been many reports linking the Browns and Derek Carr. It was speculated earlier that Cleveland would take the Fresno State quarterback at No. 26, but as I wrote about a month ago, I've been hearing more and more that multiple teams in the top 10 prefer Carr over both Teddy Bridgewater and/or Johnny Manziel. We're trained to think that Bridgewater and Manziel will go before Carr because of what we've heard on TV or read on news-aggregator Web sites, but "strange" things happen on Draft Day because teams simply think differently at times. This was confirmed by Charlie Campbell's report that three teams in the top 10 have Derek Carr as the No. 2 quarterback."

as he is the #1 guard in the draft. Can play anywhere on the line and will start from Day 1 for Denver.

Really considered taking a DE here, but couldn't pass up a versatile wrecking ball like Su'a-Filo

Kony to their pass rush rotation? Gross.

and I just didnt see an explosive pass rusher.

but I thought he had some solid explosiveness and good bend from what I saw.

...but @32...he played his best ball the end of last year. His Bowl game was terrific...imo the light may be coming on for him. He's more upside than substance right now but he is a very intriguing prospect.

that's actually one of the biggest knocks on him.

He has a ton of potential, that's for sure. He was #3 on my board.

But he looks every bit as good, and one could argue his mechanics and arm strength are superior to all three.

he comes from a odd offense, so it's a leap of faith in some sense to just assume he can play in a more conventional offense with the same success, but he's a bright hard working kid.

I'd be thrilled to get him late first

to pick from which is a position they can upgrade.

definitely a place where the UCLA guard fits in well.

2nd round grades on at WR, at least 5. The Giants might be able to wait until the 3rd to get a decent young WR.

Was Verrett on your radar? I thought that was a perfect value/need scenario. Was it his size/injury that scared you off?

but if he foregoes OL again BBI will be out for blood lol. BPA!!!!

he was #2

He's on the clock 'til 11am.

on Saturday

I also have WAP's pick

are you going to set up a separate thread for the second round selections tomorrow?

I am probably the only one that likes him more than Martin. Benjamin is an interesting player in this draft. He can create some amazing match ups, but I just didn't see that happening enough in college. He seems more like a situational type player all be it a great situation. Can he be a full time outside WR? Not sure, but I think he can make an impact right away and that would give the 49ers a big time threat to use.

Clowney as an OLB... Not a fan of that move honestly. As an OLB I think Barr may be better.

He is not going to drop into coverage very much. Think of it this way, Mario Williams played "olb" for Buffalo last year and was fantastic.

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He is not going to drop into coverage very much. Think of it this way, Mario Williams played "olb" for Buffalo last year and was fantastic.

The used Mario at DE or hand in the dirt a lot last year. As a matter of fact I would say most of his sacks came when his hand was in the dirt. He wasn't playing a ton of pure OLB. If he was a stand up OLB all year I don't think he would have been as productive. Also if we are talking pure OLB then Barr in that type of scheme may be better than Clowney. You think Barr is raw... Clowney at OLB would be extremely raw, but he has the talent. I don't like the fit though. Clowney seems like the prototypical DE to me.

That's exactly my point. He was technically an OLB, but for all intents and purposes he was a DE. Same for Clowney.

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That's exactly my point. He was technically an OLB, but for all intents and purposes he was a DE. Same for Clowney.

Right and is Romeo going to use him the same way? I am not so sure about that and the reason is JJ Watt. He will be used like that and you can't really have two DEs that play a hybrid DE/OLB imo. One would need to be the DE while the other played DE/OLB and I don't think Watt would be happy being a 3-4 DE with Clowney getting his spot. That is just my opinion though, but it makes me feel even less likely that Houston will go Clowney in round one. If anything a trade down seems more likely if they don't go Bortles.

No, I think we will stick to the one thread...

I will have HOU pick in shortly thereafter

Just catching up with today's picks... give me 5 or 10...

first round done already. Great pick in a position of major need for Seattle. They lost 2 of their top 3 CBs and Verrett is a very good player. Nice pick.

and I should be able to get my pick in tonight also if the other two get theirs in... If not I will send you a board so you don't have to wait for me. I have 3 players left with 4 picks to go.

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And now the Redskins are on the clock. Let's see who it will be!

quickly now.

29-Kony Ealy-DE
33-Stephen Tuitt-DE
34-Cyrus Kouandjio-T
35-Kyle Van Noy-OLB
38-Demarcus Lawrence-DE

39-Jace Amaro-TE
40-Scott Crichton-DE
41-Carlos Hyde-RB
43-AJ McCarron-QB
44-David Yankey-G

22. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly) - *Brandin Cooks, WR/RS, Oregon State
23. Kansas City (Giantology) - *Marqise Lee, WR, USC
24. Cincinnati (Matt G) - Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
25. San Diego (uconngiant) - *Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
26. Cleveland (Lionhart28) fr Ind - Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State
27. New Orleans (Big Rick in FL) – Dee Ford, DE/OLB, Auburn
28. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte) - Morgan Moses, OT/OG, Virginia
29. New England (Torrag) - Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota
30. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) - *Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State
31. Denver (jlukes) - *Xavier Su'a-Filo, OG, UCLA
32. Seattle (English Alaister) - Jason Verrett, CB, TCU

Round 2
33. Houston (Will Allen/Peterson) – *Louis Nix III NT Notre Dame
34. Washington (Anakim) - *Timmy Jernigan DT Florida State
35. Cleveland (Lionhart28) - On the clock
36. Oakland (Amtoft)
37. Atlanta (NoGainDayne) -
38. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)
39. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT)
40. Minnesota (Jay in Saratoga)
41. Buffalo (NJGiantFan84)
42. Tennessee (Sir-Yes-Sir)
43. New York Giants (Andy in Halifax)

I know the vultures will be out in the morning if he's on the clock & he's out west.

missed his above post

That hurts as I wanted one of Hage, Nix, and Jen... have one player left I have rated high but maybe I reach a little here... I will definitely send in a board before I go to sleep tonight if I am not on the clock. Don't want to hold anything up.

Can you possibly make your picture for your pick of Jernigan at 9:11 pm on the Selection thread any bigger? Damn dude.

no?

So ur saying there is a chance I can get Jernigan?

That had to be the pick. Good thing it wasn't a gif...

It looked smaller on Google!

Didn't expect to see Idaho QB Taylor Davis taken in the second round of the BBI Mock. How dare you steal the Texans' QB sleeper.

Put Anakim on mop-up/potato peeling duty for that uber picture.

Making a player list. I wish I could see medical reports well... probably more like if a doctor could tell me how this player really is.

1. Houston (Will Allen/Peterson) – *Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
2. St. Louis (BigBlueTT) from Was - *Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
3. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) - Khalili Mack, DE/OLB, Buffalo
4. Cleveland (Lionhart28) - *Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn
5. Oakland (Amtoft) - *Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
6. Atlanta (NoGainDayne) - Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
7. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island) - *Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
8. Minnesota (Jay in Saratoga) - *Blake Bortles, QB, UCF
9. Buffalo (NJGiantFan84) - Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
10. Detroit (YAJ2112) - *Hasean Clinton-Dix, FS, Alabama
11. Tennessee (Sir-Yes-Sir) - Anthony Barr, DE/OLB, UCLA
12. New York Giants (Andy in Halifax) - Aaron Donald, DT/DE, Pittsburgh
13. St. Louis (BigBlueTT) - Zack Martin, OT/OG, Notre Dame
14. Chicago (GMenLTS) - Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
15. Pittsburgh (Gmen-in-SC) - Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
16. Dallas (Rick in Dallas) - *Odell Beckham Jr, WR, LSU
17. Baltimore (Mike in NY) - *Calvin Pryor, FS, Louisville
18. New York Jets (Jon in NYC) - *Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina
19. Miami (Optimus-NY) - C.J. Mosley, MLB, Alabama
20. Arizona (DCPollaro) - Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
21. Green Bay (MadPlaid) - Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State
22. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly) - Brandin Cooks, WR/RS, Oregon State University
23. Kansas City (Giantology) - Marqise Lee, WR, USC
24. Cincinnati (Matt G) - Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
25. San Diego (uconngiant) - Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
26. Cleveland (Lionhart28) fr Ind - Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State
27. New Orleans (Big Rick in FL) - Dee Ford, DE/OLB, Auburn
28. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte) - Morgan Moses, OT/OG, Virginia
29. New England (Torrag) - Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota
30. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) - *Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State
31. Denver (jlukes) - *Xavier Su'a-Filo, OG, UCLA
32. Seattle (English Alaister) - Jason Verrett, CB, TCU

33. Houston (Will Allen/Peterson) – *Louis Nix III, NT, Notre Dame
34. Washington (Anakim) - *Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
35. Cleveland (Lionhart28) - On the clock
36. Oakland (Amtoft)
37. Atlanta (NoGainDayne) -
38. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)
39. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT)
40. Minnesota (Jay in Saratoga)
41. Buffalo (NJGiantFan84)
42. Tennessee (Sir-Yes-Sir)
43. New York Giants (Andy in Halifax)

No need to wait at all. My top pick is a little risky and probably a slight reach but what the hell... I am not used to making such high picks anyways for the Raiders. Can't believe I have a first and second round draft pick!

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No need to wait at all. My top pick is a little risky and probably a slight reach but what the hell... I am not used to making such high picks anyways for the Raiders. Can't believe I have a first and second round draft pick!

My guess is it's Dominique Easley.

Hopefully, he checks in to make his pick and I have Amtoft's pick ready to go...

You can argue other players being better fits but 5 of the top 7 available on GBN are DE or OLB... And the just drafted Robinson, which makes it hard to justify dropping down to take Kouandjo... Not ideal, but I think that's the direction we go...

I bet he makes it soon enough. Ealy would be fine if it comes to it though

But I'm heading into a meeting until 1045am and don't want to hold this up... If CLE makes there pick, go ahead and select for OAK:

1. DT Dominique Easley
2. TE Jace Amaro

He was off to a great start until the injury.

I'm here, pick will be in shortly

It really came down to upside. I really, really like several players including Matthews who I think may be able to contribute more year one but I think Robinson (while a little raw in his route running) can be an outstanding player. For a dude who is 6'3" he is extremely quick and has the ability to makes guys miss with the ball in his hands. He also has outstanding leaping ability and body control. He isn't nearly as polished as a few of the other guys, but he is also still very young. If anyone reads Roto, check out the phenom index, pretty interesting stuff. It basically creates a score based on Production/Age:

Nice pick there.

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I've seen every game this kid has played and he certainly needs to work on route running and concentration. But if you look at this highlight reel compared to just about anybody (including Matthews), his leaping ability, YAC skills, and body control really stand out and show that if he is willing to work he can be a special player.

It was tough to take a WR with so many good ones on the board, but with Verrett gone, he is a great player at a need position.

Seems to run hot and cold, perhaps they are missing an element that makes these guys fail. Possibly something on the mental side of things?

When do y'all think he will actually go in the draft?

that list shows the highest scores on teh phenom index (since it started).

it's certainly not a be all/end all but look at the list of guys with a high rating vs. low rating. Being that they are all 3rd round picks or higher, there is no contest between the two.

A few of the very best WR in the game are on that list (Megatron, Gordon, Thomas, etc). I just wondered if there was one more step we could take to hone it even further.

I thought the article (linked) was pretty interesting. Thanks for bringing it up.
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were going to be great. Limas Sweed, I liked Shipley as a slot guy, Broyles too. Some of them could still have good careers though.

But I see no reason if NoGainDayne doesn't show up not to give them Kony Ealy (BPA according to GBN board) as DE is most definitely a need for that team and they would probably be running to the podium if they took Matthews in Round 1 and Ealy was still there in Round 2

that seems reasonable. Ealy makes a lot of sense for Atlanta.

is if NoGainDayne sent a list to Matt.

would be a fantastic pick for ATL

I sent ATL (NoGainDayne) an email reminder

you get the email I sent you?

If my pick comes up after 12pm just make it right away. I have a failry busy afternoon at work today and likely wont be on that much.

I should be in and out of meetings as well, but will be able to get yours in... Even if there isn't a fancy gif and/or incorrect team name ;o)

I have a decision to make will decide within 10... Obviously did not expect Ealy to be there but I was targeting another guy

if you need a hand, I will be available on-line all day today. You can send me Jay's list, so you can avoid ruining the surprise.

In comment 11624231 Will Allen/Peterson said:

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In comment 11624229 Amtoft said: Quote: No need to wait at all. My top pick is a little risky and probably a slight reach but what the hell... I am not used to making such high picks anyways for the Raiders. Can't believe I have a first and second round draft pick! My guess is it's Dominique Easley.

Very good guess... I am a big Dominique Easley fan... If not for the injury he would be a high 1st rounder. The only problem is he hasn't worked out yet and I of course can't get his medical. He is supposed to maybe workout on the 18th. Hopefully he will be able to or he could fall in the draft making this a big reach. He wasn't the best value as I have a Kyle Van Noy as the highest rated player, but the need for the Raiders isn't there with Sio starting to play well.

I also thought to give Manziel a weapon in either TE Jace Amaro who I am very high on or WR Robinson who is a tremendous WR. I only have 2 more WRs in the same level as Robinson left.

However it came down to Easley is a beast and a huge position of need for the Raiders. If not for the injury he would have been rated higher than Kyle Van Noy on my board and already draft. After Easley I feel the rest of the DTs all drop off big time in talent level.

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When do y'all think he will actually go in the draft?

A lot will depend on his workout on the 18th if that happens or at least a workout before the draft and his medical. He was hurt late September so he should be able to play this year although he may be on the PUP to start. We don't know enough about his recovery though to know how much it will effect his draft grade. I would guess mid 2nd though assuming there is no major issues or set backs.

Wasn't going to be there in the third round. Was very impressed with his pro day performance and think he is a DE, he will add some bulk and could be a dominant force in the pass rush. Not the biggest Ealy fan was thinking hard about Tuitt as well but this is a potential home run guy who pairs well with a very safe pick of Matthews in the first round.

Easley's workout actually took place this morning. The Giants were one of 16 teams represented, FWIW.

He was a top 15 prospect before he suffered the injury. Phenomenal talent.

In comment 11624565 Lionhart28 said:

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I've seen every game this kid has played and he certainly needs to work on route running and concentration. But if you look at this highlight reel compared to just about anybody (including Matthews), his leaping ability, YAC skills, and body control really stand out and show that if he is willing to work he can be a special player. It was tough to take a WR with so many good ones on the board, but with Verrett gone, he is a great player at a need position.

I am a big fan of Robinson, but only through highlights and information. I haven't really watched very much of Penn State, but he seems to have great ability to go up and get the football. I am very impressed and he was the top WR I had left on my board. I was tempted to take him to pair with Manziel, but the need for WRs with Danarius Moore, James Jones, and Streeter had me looking elsewhere.

#2 player in the draft and top OT, top 4 QB, and a big time WR... Good start to fix Cleveland's offense!

I was just trying to make the decision for you easier by taking Robinson off of your hands

and he's quite a talent. He is also a quiet, soft-spoken guy, not a diva at all. It's rare to see a guy who is 6'3" have his ability after the catch, he looks like a running back on WR screens and has great vision. In many drafts he would be a first round pick, but this year is ridiculous at WR.

In comment 11624809 Will Allen/Peterson said:

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Easley's workout actually took place this morning. The Giants were one of 16 teams represented, FWIW. He was a top 15 prospect before he suffered the injury. Phenomenal talent.

Awesome... Any reports yet?

In comment 11624820 Amtoft said:

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In comment 11624809 Will Allen/Peterson said: Quote: Easley's workout actually took place this morning. The Giants were one of 16 teams represented, FWIW. He was a top 15 prospect before he suffered the injury. Phenomenal talent. Awesome... Any reports yet?

Nothing yet, unfortunately. Just saw the teams that were represented.

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and he's quite a talent. He is also a quiet, soft-spoken guy, not a diva at all. It's rare to see a guy who is 6'3" have his ability after the catch, he looks like a running back on WR screens and has great vision. In many drafts he would be a first round pick, but this year is ridiculous at WR.

I agree I think he could sneak into the first round, but more likely he will go early 2nd. The WR talent imo will drop once two more WRs go. Not that their isn't more talent, but their is a drop.

and perhaps 4, but I don't know that they are the type ready to provide immediate contribution.

Teams will be able to find quality WRs in the 3rd round this year.

to me WR falls way off... 3rd round may be the last round to get a good one assuming some don't fall.

29. *Kony Ealy                        DE              Missouri
33. *Stephen (sic) Tuitt          DE              Notre Dame (X)
34. *Cyrus Kouandjio              OT              Alabama (X)
35. Kyle Van Noy                    LB              BYU
38. *Demarcus Lawrence          DE               Boise State (OLB)
39. *Jace Amaro                       TE              Texas Tech
40. *Scott Crichton                   DE              Oregon State
41. Carlos Hyde                       RB               Ohio State (O)
43. AJ  McCarron                    QB              Alabama
44. *David Yankey                   OG             Stanford (OT)
45. Jimmie Ward                      FS                Northern Illinois
46. Kareem Martin                    DE              North Carolina
48. Jimmy Garoppolo                QB               Eastern Illinois
49. Austin Seferin-Jenkins (sic)   TE               Washington (O)
50. Brandon Thomas                 G/T             Clemson
51. Trent Murphy                      DE              Stanford (OLB)
52. *Davante Adams                 WR             Fresno State
53. Lamarcus Joyner                 DB              Florida State
56. Jordan Matthews                WR             Vanderbilt
57. *Tre Mason                        RB              Auburn
58. Weston Richburg                  C               Colorado State
59. *Carl Bradford                   OLB             Arizona State
60. *Marcus Roberson              CB             Florida
61. *Marcus Martin                   C                Southern California
62. *Troy Niklas                        TE              Notre Dame (X)
63. *Donte Moncrief                 WR             Mississippi

The three most recent picks (Robinson, Easley and Attaochu) are 47, 54 and 55 on Colin's board. The previous 34 picks corresponded almost exactly to Colin's top 34. Roby, Benjamin and Moses were the only exceptions.

The picks tend to correspond because the top 32 for most sites tend to have about 25-28 in common. Especially in Rounds 3 and later you start to notice differences

coming back from the Czech Republic, but I sent my pick list in to Matt via email.

Have a safe trip

He was 1 of 4 "grandfathered" in without providing an email address, so I can't ping him...

If not, the pick will be Kony Ealy...

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Make it so Matt G...

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Too bad, hopefully Ealy was the guy Jay would have picked anyway (barring a last minute selection). I don't recall Jay ever missing a pick before.

I'll make my pick in a minute.

No brainer for the Jaguars. Top player on their board and Amaro provides a HUGE target for Henne to start the season. He is a willing blocker but obviously needs to work on his technique. Amaro will supplant Mercedes Lewis as the team's starting tight end.

Giants should have a shot at a really good Guard in the 2nd round. First one comes off the board to Minnesota at pick #40.

Yankey has been the top guy on my board for about 15 picks.

In comment 11625067 Jay in Saratoga said:

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Giants should have a shot at a really good Guard in the 2nd round. First one comes off the board to Minnesota at pick #40. Yankey has been the top guy on my board for about 15 picks.

Not to be the "well actually" guy, but Su'a-Filo went at the end of the first round.

The real driver to my statement is that board I stacked leading up to this pick is a currently a list of good guards with one other player mixed in.

If Andy wants one, he'll get one.

starting to get restless. That must mean one of the New York teams will be picking shortly and that team is the New York Giants. And we'll let you know who that pick is when we return after this 30 minute commercial break.

I mean it could be my hatred of Stanford talking, but he is not a puller and is not that great in pass protection... Xavier on the other hand is by far better than all other guards even Zach Martin. I hate UCLA also so not sure how that fits in with how I feel about Yankey.

Before Zach Martin fans freak out... Martin can slide out to OT much better than Xavier, but as a pure OG he isn't better. As a OT he is.

so hopefully we keep some momentum...

I'll be able to make my pick pretty much as soon as I'm on the clock (will run out around 4:30 EST to grab a quick bite, but otherwise will be at work).

Hopefully I won't ruin Phil's day this time...

you to go defense again.

...I'd be looking at Kouandjio, B. Thomas, Bitonio, G. Jackson, D. Adams, J. Matthews, Richburg or Niklas for the Giants.

In comment 11625122 Andy in Halifax said:

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I'll be able to make my pick pretty much as soon as I'm on the clock (will run out around 4:30 EST to grab a quick bite, but otherwise will be at work). Hopefully I won't ruin Phil's day this time...

It is going to be tough... I have 2 WRs, 1LB, and a ton of OL rated for this pick... To me you take the player you can't get in the third and then with 12 OL rated through the Giants next pick get one then. People could freak out if we passed on OL with the first two picks, but A)Andy loves to freak people out.. B)I am not sure the Giants don't wait until the 3rd and maybe the 4th round to take a OL and C) you can get a good OL next round, but other positions aren't guaranteed to be like that.

For the Raiders next pick I have 4 WRs list and 12 OL listed!

33-Stephen Tuitt-DE
34-Cyrus Kouandjio-T
35-Kyle Van Noy-OLB
38-Demarcus Lawrence-DE
40-Scott Crichton-DE

41-Carlos Hyde-RB
43-AJ McCarron-QB
45-Jimmie Ward-S
46-Kareem Martin-DE
48-Jimmy Garopolo-QB

49-Austin Seferin-Jenkins-TE
50-Brandon Thomas-G
51-Trent Murphy-DE
52-Davante Adams-WR
53-Lamarcus Joyner-DB

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...I'd be looking at Kouandjio, B. Thomas, Bitonio, G. Jackson, D. Adams, J. Matthews, Richburg or Niklas for the Giants.

Brandon Thomas just tore his ACL... He is going to drop until late in the draft. If I was Andy I would look Kouandjio (tough because we can't see the report on his knee), Matthews, Adams, and Kyle Van Noy

GM, I was kinda glad Amaro was off the board. I wasn't sure if I would take ASJ over him anyway, so that made my decision easier. Some may say it was a reach there, but I have very high hopes for him.

In the real draft, I'd love if the Giants got him.

In comment 11625168 Amtoft said:

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In comment 11625144 Hades07 said: Quote: ...I'd be looking at Kouandjio, B. Thomas, Bitonio, G. Jackson, D. Adams, J. Matthews, Richburg or Niklas for the Giants. Brandon Thomas just tore his ACL... He is going to drop until late in the draft. If I was Andy I would look Kouandjio (tough because we can't see the report on his knee), Matthews, Adams, and Kyle Van Noy

Thanks, forgot that on Thomas.

With the 42nd Pick, the Tennessee Titans select

Stephen Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame
6'6", 305 lbs.
Finishes his ND career with 21.5 sacks

extremely versatile end, and has shown both the strength and speed to fit in multiple schemes

Tennessee plans to use him primarily as a 3-4 end, with above average pass rush skills from that spot.

Titans are a bit disappointed a top 5 corner didn't fall to their spot as they desperately need one, but we're not going to reach.

Running back also needed, but again, we like guys that will be around later on.

Missing our third rounder in this draft hurts like hell, and I would say the Titans are prime candidates to move down for more picks in rounds 1 or 2, but so it goes...

I figured they'd all be gone but 6 of them are still there so I can't complain about how the draft unfolded this year(I'll wait until my picks flop before I do that).

I gotta start stacking the third round and see if I can be a bit strategic about this, not sure a certain position will be available in 32 more picks. Although I do that every year and guess wrong about which players will go in the following 32 picks.

33-Stephen Tuitt-DE
34-Cyrus Kouandjio-T
35-Kyle Van Noy-OLB
38-Demarcus Lawrence-DE
40-Scott Crichton-DE

41-Carlos Hyde-RB
43-AJ McCarron-QB
45-Jimmie Ward-S
46-Kareem Martin-DE
48-Jimmy Garopolo-QB

49-Austin Seferin-Jenkins-TE
50-Brandon Thomas-G
51-Trent Murphy-DE
52-Davante Adams-WR
53-Lamarcus Joyner-DB

In comment 11625173 NJGiantFan84 said:

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GM, I was kinda glad Amaro was off the board. I wasn't sure if I would take ASJ over him anyway, so that made my decision easier. Some may say it was a reach there, but I have very high hopes for him. In the real draft, I'd love if the Giants got him.

ASJ was great two years ago. Dominate and the top TE by far, BUT Last year I thought he took a huge step back. I didn't see that guy that was unstoppable. He looked slower and didn't seem to care as much. I am not sure about his desire to play and I would rather have Troy Niklas at this point.

If he can stay healthy and close to 305lb he played at as a Freshman and Sophomore (prior to the injury), he is a Top 5-10 talent, IMO... Kid is only 20yo as well... Very high ceiling pick...

productivity went down for sure last year, but I cannot call it a huge drop off. He still played very well and ended up winning the John Mackey award. You also have to remember he bacame a prime concentration for defenses after his stellar sophomore season.

He had his DUI and the stress fracture in his foot, but I think he will still be a very good player. I'm not a huge Niklas guy so i'd much rather have ASJ. It's not close for me. We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

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If he can stay healthy and close to 305lb he played at as a Freshman and Sophomore (prior to the injury), he is a Top 5-10 talent, IMO... Kid is only 20yo as well... Very high ceiling pick...

problem with Tuitt much like Easley is he is still hurt. He will drop because of that and may fall even further depending on how healthy he is before the draft.

In comment 11625223 NJGiantFan84 said:

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productivity went down for sure last year, but I cannot call it a huge drop off. He still played very well and ended up winning the John Mackey award. You also have to remember he bacame a prime concentration for defenses after his stellar sophomore season. He had his DUI and the stress fracture in his foot, but I think he will still be a very good player. I'm not a huge Niklas guy so i'd much rather have ASJ. It's not close for me. We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

Yeah and it is ok to disagree. Trust me though... Everyone in the Pac12 knew about him prior to his SO year. He was their top target and every teams main focus every week. The problem was it didn't matter... You put a LB on him and he beat him, Safety same thing, Hell Cal put a CB on him and covered him 40 yards down field where he just out jumped/reached our CB and caught a TD. Last year he wasn't the same player. Why he won the Mackey is really weird to me. He should have won it the year before, but last year wasn't nearly the same threat.

I love you, man.


Donald and then CK? Killing it.

If healthy great pick. Sadly we don't know how his knee is. Where he goes in the draft will determine how his knee is... He goes higher than this his knee is great, he goes much much lower than this it is not good. I like the pick though and with the information we have it is a good spot to take him. The fact that he will get a little time before needing to start also is great.

I recall reading a recent article that mentioned that CK's knee checked out ok. It could have been erroneous, but that's what they said.

That gif is awesome. WHACK! LOL

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I love you, man. Donald and then CK? Killing it.

I agree first time ever that I like both Andy's pick. I think I would have gone WR here in the BBI draft though with a lot of OL available at my next pick only because I am unsure about his knee. If he checks out healthy though I am all over this pick! Of course I am in the minority that thinks the Giants need WR, DE, DT, TE, just as much if not more than OL.

In comment 11625275 Amtoft said:

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If healthy great pick. Sadly we don't know how his knee is. Where he goes in the draft will determine how his knee is... He goes higher than this his knee is great, he goes much much lower than this it is not good. I like the pick though and with the information we have it is a good spot to take him. The fact that he will get a little time before needing to start also is great.

So what you are saying is he won't be picked in this slot in the draft?

I figure he'd be able to play LG for a year (or red shirt if Snee holds up), then slide in when he's more refined. Provides some insurance over Beatty as well.

It was real tough to pass up on Adams and Matthews but CK was at the top of my board.

In comment 11625291 Hades07 said:

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In comment 11625275 Amtoft said: Quote: If healthy great pick. Sadly we don't know how his knee is. Where he goes in the draft will determine how his knee is... He goes higher than this his knee is great, he goes much much lower than this it is not good. I like the pick though and with the information we have it is a good spot to take him. The fact that he will get a little time before needing to start also is great. So what you are saying is he won't be picked in this slot in the draft?

No sorry that wasn't super clear... I mean if it checks out fully 100% healthy he could be a 1st rounder... If there are some slight concerns about it or some healing needed right around here is where he will probably go in the early to mid 2nd round. If his knee is jacked up he will fall. We won't know until draft day.

"in" with Andy's picks. And of course with CK a lot rides on his knee checking out.

Of course I've also been adamant that I think RR is the guy slated to be our "x", and hold out hope for him. But this team needs, to my eyes, to get better in the trenches 1st and foremost and IF Beatty returns to form, and IF CK can start as a rookie, I have no probs moving Pugh inside and starting CK at ORT.

Next up, a big TE if the value is there or one of the big OGs or... whatever Andy is doing just fine this year. Let's see about the WRs left in the 3rd too....

and 3 guys are towards the top of my list

Adams and Matthews will be gone. As will Moncrief most likely.

Landry isn't a sexy pick, but he will be a good WR in the NFL, but not a No.1. Latimer would be a good grab if he makes it there.

Richardson? Bryant? Ellington? Abbredaris?

receiver we take in this draft starts opposite Cruz Day One. That being said, we definitely need to add some talent. I thin we should be able to get a receiver in the third or fourth that can contribute this year.

Great pick, Andy. Could be another steal.

for what was recently made as well as what's up coming? St Louis (TT) on the clock?

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for what was recently made as well as what's up coming? St Louis (TT) on the clock?

The spreadsheet is up to date

There are other positions where guys just might be "plug and play" types as 3rd rounders - OGs or TEs in particular. Or that OC Richburg even if he's a year away strengthwise, or...

We spent a 2nd on RR for a reason, maybe even JJ contributes this year. I'm not as desperate about a WR as some here are. Fix the OL, and Eli will make the WRs we have look better.Hopefully of course the new OC helps them look better, too.

We need to get back a bit more to George Young's Planet theory and grab huge guys with talent instead of hoping these 4th round and later OL types like Brewer and Mosley work out; because they haven't!

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for what was recently made as well as what's up coming? St Louis (TT) on the clock?

Yes the Rams

11 (43). New York Giants
12 (44). St. Louis Rams
13 (45). Detroit Lions
14 (46). Pittsburgh Steelers
15 (47). Dallas Cowboys
16 (48). Baltimore Ravens
17 (49). New York Jets

that would be great if I could access the spreadsheet from work

ROUND 2:
33. Houston (Will Allen/Peterson) – *Louis Nix III, NT, Notre Dame
34. Washington (Anakim) - *Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
35. Cleveland (Lionhart28) - Allen Robinson, WR Penn State
36. Oakland (Amtoft) - Dominique Easley, DT, Florida
37. Atlanta (NoGainDayne) - Jeremiah Attaochu, DE/OLB, Georgia Tech
38. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island) - Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
39. Jacksonville (Kevin in CT) - Jace Amaro, TE, Texas Tech
40. Minnesota (Jay in Saratoga) - David Yankey, OG, Stanford
41. Buffalo (NJGiantFan84) - Austin Seferin-Jenkins, TE, Washington
42. Tennessee (Sir-Yes-Sir) - Stephen Tuitt, DE, Notre Dame
43. New York Giants (Andy in Halifax) - Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama
44. St. Louis Rams (BigBlueTT)
45. Detroit Lions (YAJ2112)
46. Pittsburgh Steelers (Gmen-in-SC)
47. Dallas Cowboys (Rick in Dallas)
48. Baltimore Ravens (Mike in NY)
49. New York Jets (Jon in NYC)

They are talking about Easely's workout on Moving the Chains right now...

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In comment 11625350 Lionhart28 said:

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They are talking about Easely's workout on Moving the Chains right now...

What are they saying... I am reading some stuff online and it sounds like it went really well

talking about him and the injuries, didnt really talk much about the workout. They both seemed very concerned about the injuries and his ability to put on weight/stand up against double teams. Seemed to have him behind a bunch of DTs, more in the area of a Bromley.

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talking about him and the injuries, didnt really talk much about the workout. They both seemed very concerned about the injuries and his ability to put on weight/stand up against double teams. Seemed to have him behind a bunch of DTs, more in the area of a Bromley.

Ouch... Although I like Bromley as a later round pick.

He hasn't been active since he made his pick on Monday

he is getting Kyle Van Noy

I've already sent him an email

word in Charlotte is that Cyrus is an option for the Panthers in the 1st round. I'd sign up for that pick, but given my drafting prowess with Carolina, maybe that isn't a good sign.....

In comment 11625326 BlueLou said:

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There are other positions where guys just might be "plug and play" types as 3rd rounders - OGs or TEs in particular. Or that OC Richburg even if he's a year away strengthwise, or... We spent a 2nd on RR for a reason, maybe even JJ contributes this year. I'm not as desperate about a WR as some here are. Fix the OL, and Eli will make the WRs we have look better.Hopefully of course the new OC helps them look better, too. We need to get back a bit more to George Young's Planet theory and grab huge guys with talent instead of hoping these 4th round and later OL types like Brewer and Mosley work out; because they haven't!

I didn't mean to imply that they did need to reach for one. Just speculating on which ones might be there in the third. I agree with Andy's pick there, but had he selected Adams or Matthews, they would not have been a reach there. I expect them to come off the board soon.

In comment 11625081 Motley Blue said:

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starting to get restless. That must mean one of the New York teams will be picking shortly and that team is the New York Giants. And we'll let you know who that pick is when we return after this 30 minute commercial break.

Motley - that was awesome. I truly laughed out loud at that post. Good job, and unfortunately so fucking true. Hate BSPN.

CK could start at RT sooner rather than later. A good drive blocker without great speed or lateral movement.

I have a few guys I really like here, though I've made up my mind who the pick will be.

you could also look at WR here or bolster the OL.

and my top guy is still there. Don't any of you bastards touch him. He's mine. Did that sound as gay to you as it did to me?

Depends whether they think he can be a SAM at the next level. They could take one of the big receivers to complement Austin. They also have a hole at safety, so they might consider Ward or Bucannon (whose name I think Colin spells incorrectly).

besides Matthews and Adams, like Bryant, Moncrief, Lattimer, Richardson, and even Anak's small school sleeper guy Janis.

All these guys have some excellent raw athleticism, at least. Like Lionheart, I don't think they are looking for a WR to start opposite Cruz in 2014.

I am at work and it's been a crazy day. I would have taken QB Zach Mettenberger from LSU.

don't screw this up for the Giants.

CK will be ours at 43.

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Van Noy would be a nice add. Pair him back up with Ansah. Really tho CB stands out most altho the best ones are gone. OL or WR would work also. A lot of talent to choose from

In comment 11625457 Jay on the Island said:

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I am at work and it's been a crazy day. I would have taken QB Zach Mettenberger from LSU.

He will probably be there in the 3rd.

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I have a few guys I really like here, though I've made up my mind who the pick will be.

I don't have any list on me so I can be forgetting about an obvious choice but guys like (in no order) Cody Latimer, Jordan Matthews, Phillip Gaines, and Jarvis Landry come to mind.

Jarvis doesn't have great size measurables or a blazing 40 time, but he probably has the best hands in this class. Tough as fucking nails and I can just link gif after gif of just awesome catches. He's not going to be a #1 guy at the next level, but will be an awesome compliment to Megatron that will do the dirty work. I would be ecstatic if he somehow fell to the Giants in the 3rd, and wouldn't be upset at all if we took him in the 2nd.

Does the 2 hour time limit apply for tomorrow or is Good Friday much like after hours & the weekends??

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When in doubt, pick a wide receiver. Wouldn't Adams or Matthews represent pretty fair value here?

Van Noy would be fine too, but he's about to go to St. Louis by default.

There went the top guy off my list. RATZ!!

Nice pick, BigBlueTT. He's a good fit for the Rams.

the Browns at 35 as well.

I considered Matthews, Van Noy, and a couple of CBs but didn't want to pass up on upgrading the OL here with Bitonio. Lions OTs are currently the mediocre Reilly Reiff and a bunch of UDFAs. Would look for Bitonio to play RT in year one and see what shakes out for the future.

Jimmie Ward was under serious consideration by Jerrah in second round. Several pass rushing DE's on Jerrah's list now at 47.

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I considered Matthews, Van Noy, and a couple of CBs but didn't want to pass up on upgrading the OL here with Bitonio. Lions OTs are currently the mediocre Reilly Reiff and a bunch of UDFAs. Would look for Bitonio to play RT in year one and see what shakes out for the future.

Bitonio was #2 on my list for the Ravens but I was hemming and hawing about whether I should take him or the first guy on my list so this makes my choice easier if the guy I had at #1 falls (which I think he will)

Pick will be made later tonight. Sorry for the delay.

Two QBs, Garoppolo and (especially) Mettenberger, make big jumps and are now near the top of the BPA list.
33. Jimmy Garoppolo                QB               Eastern Illinois
36. Kyle Van Noy                    LB              BYU
39. *Demarcus Lawrence          DE               Boise State (OLB)
41. Zach Mettenberger             QB               LSU (X)
42. *Scott Crichton                   DE              Oregon State
43. Carlos Hyde                       RB               Ohio State (O)
45. AJ  McCarron                    QB              Alabama
48. Kareem Martin                    DE              North Carolina
51. Brandon Thomas                 G/T             Clemson
52. Trent Murphy                      DE              Stanford (OLB)
53. *Davante Adams                 WR             Fresno State
54. Lamarcus Joyner                 DB              Florida State
57. Jordan Matthews                WR             Vanderbilt
58. *Tre Mason                        RB              Auburn
59. Weston Richburg                  C               Colorado State
60. *Carl Bradford                   OLB             Arizona State
61. *Marcus Roberson              CB             Florida
62. *Marcus Martin                   C                Southern California
63. *Troy Niklas                        TE              Notre Dame (X)
64. *Donte Moncrief                 WR             Mississippi

I'll still obsessively check this thread on my phone but have a happy Easter/weekend everyone!

Prepare for Browns Domination next week! (that sounds slightly racial)

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Would love to pick before I go to bed tonight

I'm here in Abu Dhabi up at 6 am now; I woke up at 4:40 am actually to check this thread...

It's a race across the English Channel. Gonna be a while...

going to sleep. Hopefully I'll be able to pick tomorrow before work. If not I'll email a list. Have 2 names I love. Need to find 2 more.

I'll always have my pick, sometimes I just need a reminder email. Thanks Matt!

Will the regular 2 hour time limit rules between picks apply tomorrow since it'll be Good Friday?

so I guess the Ravens pick will be sometime tomorrow

We made solid progress this week so i would hate to see a few GMs miss their picks due to travel plans... That being said, i would appreciate people either checking in to make their pick or sending me their top targets as we approach their pick if and when possible...

We all have lives, and stuff comes up, but if you can, please be considerate of the 31 other folks that have kept this thing going over the years...

Thanks!

I'll do my best to be here when my pick is up, but it's harder for me than most due to my being in a different time zone as per the e-mail I wrote you.

I'm only 5 picks away from selecting for the Fish at 50. Still waiting for that swim meet to end, lol. I'll send you a 5-player board Matt if I go out.

I just sent you my 5-player board with special instructions for my top choice at 50 for the Dolphins should he be available. If I'm not around for my selection at pick #50 (gimmee 15 minutes tops), then go ahead make my choice for me according to the list I sent you. I think my top guy will be there for me though. Thanks!

My apologies. Pick coming in 10.

At least we have a joke we can run into the ground every time we're waiting for GMEN-in-SC.

Hysterical, but ruthless.
Kids had a swim meet an hour away, then I had to rush back home and teach Karate for a few hours. Once classes were over I hung around and rolled with the big boys. By the time I got back home I only had enough energy to brush my teeth and walk up stairs to pass out.

Anyway, Van Noy is a great fit for the Steelers 3-4 and will make a formidable pair with Timmons. With Dennard and Van Noy now on the roster, the Steelers are well on their way to restoring their prominent D.

Sitting in a cafe in the UAE laughing. Miami's target is still on the board.

I am guaranteed to get one of two players I am looking at for the Ravens with my 2nd Round pick

Tough choice between Crichton and DeMarcus Lawrence for Jerry Jones.

I will be back in like 20-30ish minutes to make my selection. Deciding between the 2 players at the top of my board since Rick didn't take one of them

Ozzie Newsome and Mike in NY are proud to announce that Davante Adams will be joining our new look group of WR's in Baltimore. He is a player that we have been targeting for a while and were surprised to see him still on the board at Pick #48. He was a tremendous player at Fresno State, posting over 230 receptions, 3030 yards, and 38 TD's in only 2 seasons. It was not all beating up lesser teams as he was productive out of conference as well. Will also add some size and some youth to our receivers. Although Adams was at the top of our board he was not the only player under consideration and as the other player we strongly considered plays a position we would like to address in this draft assuming that that position has a Best Player Available when we select, we will not disclose his name

I liked them more than a couple guys that went ahead of them.

Tiny will stomp you out...and not haze you like Icognito did for the Fish before.

when you can have two?

you just got your bookends I guess...

Who you callin' Tiny?

I happened to be available in a smokehouse...I mean social club in Abu Dhabi.

and here are 2

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and here are 2

Damn, that's the obscure quote I was going to go for!

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"Tiny" is gonna be loved down in the MIA. They're desperate for O-Line help. You've got your bookends in Albert (at LOT) and Richardson (plug and play ROT) now. The CEnter position is set with Pouncey, and the Guard positions are in semi flux. I considered JaWuan James, Tony's teammate, but opted for Tiny instead. Love this kid. He is just what the doctor ordered. I'd actually love it of the Giants drafted him in real life and this draft.

and DCPollaro looks to be active...

Stuck in traffic getting to Radio City :o)

Just like swim meets

I'll have the pick in shortly

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After securing an obvious need at CB in the first, we had lots of value placed on some of the offensive skill players and Niklas fits the bill completely for what we wanted.

Lots of room for development despite already making an impact as a converted TE.

was a terrible attempt at tackling. Made Niklas look cool though.

it was either that one or a couple different long TDs where coverage and tackling were abysmal or completely absent.

He was at the top of my remaining list of players for this pick. He would have been very nice for GB. Just great that he is now on a rival's roster. bastids.

Hopefully, DCPollaro doesn't pick the next guy at the top of my list. The second round is looking very tough for the Pack.

with Marshall/Jeffrey on the outside is a lot of weapons. Let's not also forget Matt Forte out of the backfield. If only they had an OL to give Cutler time

Niklas was under consideration for the Ravens but there are a number of later round TE's I like enough that I would rather have Adams plus one of them versus Niklas/whoever is left at WR. While this WR draft is deep, once you get behind like Abbrederis/Landry/Latimer there really is not a lot in the 5th-6th round area. It seems to be all guys that you would want to draft in the top 3-4 rounds or 7th round flyers (Chandler Jones, Jeff Janis, John Brown)

but the value seemed higher both times for the actual picks.

I think they've actually rebuilt their line pretty well but the pass blocking still needs improvement.

will be a good player. But more likely a 3rd WR for somebody.

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will be a good player. But more likely a 3rd WR for somebody.

I would bet he goes much lower than that.

Go to sleep, come back, and my 5 of my top 10 players get picked in the next 7 picks...

1. Kyle Van Noy (love this guy and would have taken him if not for Sio)
2. Davante Adams (big fan and would be a high pick if not for the incredible WRs in front of him)
3. Jordan Matthews (see Adams)
6. Antonio Richardson (Not sure why he is so under rated. Was hoping he would fall to the 3rd)
9. Troy Niklas (I like 3 TEs in the draft far above the rest... Ebron, Amaro, and then Niklas. Best blocker and great size. Would be a good fit for Giants)

Especially Murphy, great pick for the cardinals, can play several different positions.

In comment 11626791 Amtoft said:

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In comment 11626776 Hades07 said: Quote: will be a good player. But more likely a 3rd WR for somebody. I would bet he goes much lower than that.

than what? I didn't suggest where he'd go. I was thinking 5th.

over the other position I was looking at. With Moncrief and previously Matthews off the board I doubt someone like Paul Richardson or Martavis Bryant would fall to 79

Donte Moncrief represents more of a good thing for the Packers. He was BPA in my opinion which is what GM, Ted Thompson ascribes to. Even if their needs are clearly elsewhere, you just can't ignore talent when it presents itself. I was seriously looking to fill the need at TE and Safety at this pick, but both guys whose value and need fit nicely here in the second round were picked prior to my turn. I decided to go with the top guy on my list regardless of need. Hopefully, need and value collide later in the draft. We will see.

Moncrief needs refining, so fortunately, he won't have to be the man until later in his career. Aaron Rodgers is going to like having a new Red Zone target now that James Jones is gone.

33-Jimmy Garoppolo-QB
39-Demarcus Lawrence-DE
41-Zach Mettenberger-QB
43-Carlos Hyde-RB
45-AJ McCarron-QB

48-Kareem Martin-DE
51-Brandon Thomas-G/T
54-Lamarcus Joyner-DB
58-Tre Mason-RB
59-Weston Richburg-C

60-Carl Bradford-OLB
61-Marcus Roberson-CB
62-Marcus Martin-C
65-Jeremy Hill-RB
66-Jaylen Watkins-CB

Provided CiP doesn't take my guy...

With the 55th pick in the 2014 NFL Draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select:

Martavis Bryant, WR, Clemson



I started watching this kid early on this college football season when I tried to get my first good look at projected top 10 pick, Sammy Watkins… When the announcers indicated Watkins was not the player I was watching, I distinctly remember saying to myself, "Well, who the hell is THAT?!" He is raw and needs to work on his routes, but his upside is enormous... At 6'4 211 lbs he clocked 4.42 with a 39" vert and 10'4 broad... Size, speed and athleticism are similar to Justin Hunter, but I see a guy with superior body control and is better at catching the ball in traffic... He also doesn't look maxed out and could possibly add some weight without losing speed...

Huge wingspan and does a great job tracking the ball, high pointing and making the catch despite tight coverage... Bryant is a big time vertical threat averaging 20ypc last year and should be a legit redzone target at the next level... He will take time to develop his route tree, but learning behind and along side AJ Green should help him to get there... He is worth the risk, IMO...

need help on defense and Lawrence had too much value to pass up at this point. We're not worried about a few suspensions here and there. Kid needs to grow up a little...

33-Jimmy Garoppolo-QB
41-Zach Mettenberger-QB
43-Carlos Hyde-RB
45-AJ McCarron-QB
48-Kareem Martin-DE

51-Brandon Thomas-G/T
54-Lamarcus Joyner-DB
58-Tre Mason-RB
59-Weston Richburg-C
60-Carl Bradford-OLB

61-Marcus Roberson-CB
62-Marcus Martin-C
65-Jeremy Hill-RB
66-Jaylen Watkins-CB
67-Jack Mewhort-T

But I'm really glad I got mine at the beginning of this round. Wow!

In comment 11626825 Hades07 said:

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In comment 11626791 Amtoft said: Quote: In comment 11626776 Hades07 said: Quote: will be a good player. But more likely a 3rd WR for somebody. I would bet he goes much lower than that. than what? I didn't suggest where he'd go. I was thinking 5th.

Really sorry my mistake... Thought you said 3rd as in 3rd round... I just read it wrong.

In comment 11626895 Amtoft said:

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In comment 11626825 Hades07 said: Quote: In comment 11626791 Amtoft said: Quote: In comment 11626776 Hades07 said: Quote: will be a good player. But more likely a 3rd WR for somebody. I would bet he goes much lower than that. than what? I didn't suggest where he'd go. I was thinking 5th. Really sorry my mistake... Thought you said 3rd as in 3rd round... I just read it wrong.

No worries, I meant 3rd WR on a team. I think he will have a good career in that role.

33-Jimmy Garoppolo-QB
41-Zach Mettenberger-QB
43-Carlos Hyde-RB
45-AJ McCarron-QB
51-Brandon Thomas-G/T

54-Lamarcus Joyner-DB
58-Tre Mason-RB
59-Weston Richburg-C
60-Carl Bradford-OLB
61-Marcus Roberson-CB

62-Marcus Martin-C
65-Jeremy Hill-RB
66-Jaylen Watkins-CB
67-Jack Mewhort-T
68-Marcus Smith-OLB/DE

Really surprised no QB here in the 2nd round and more surprised no RB taken at all yet.

higher than both Moncrief and Bryant... Both of them have great size and ability, but both are raw with not very good hands. I have them both slated as mid to late 3rd rounders, but others seem really high on them so we will see.

One of my favorite players in this draft and I was really hoping he fell to the 3rd round. I wouldn't mind the Giants taking him in the 2nd. One of the better two way DEs in this draft.

Are you projecting Van Noy inside or are you going to keep him on the edge in pittsburgh? You said pairing up with Timmons...

...I like Latimer and Landry in the 3rd at WR. Not a huge upside with Landry, but I can't see him not being successful in the NFL and Eli will love throwing to him, good hands on this kid.

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...I like Latimer and Landry in the 3rd at WR. Not a huge upside with Landry, but I can't see him not being successful in the NFL and Eli will love throwing to him, good hands on this kid.

Why not a huge upset to Landry? Has some of the best hands in the draft and runs better routes than most also. His combine speed is a result to pulling up lame with a Hammy... he is probably a 4.6 type player, but that is plenty of speed.

jordan matthews, very high floor player, while he may not have the ceiling of a guy like bryant, he should be able to immediately contribute.

everyone else I'm sure at this point, I love my draft so far. Got the best TE in the draft and probably the most productive WR in Matthews. If you can light up the SEC with shoddy QB play and little talent around you, your pro prospects are pretty solid. Got two great weapons for Geno and the WCO.

I was really, really close to taking Matthews at 35. It was between him and Robinson and I went with the higher upside but I love Matthews. If you listen to him interview, hard not to love the kid too, total film junky, loves football, hard worker, underrated speed and oh yeah, cousin of Jerry rice.

more you watch, the more you like him.

One guy, who I wasn't that high on absolutely blew me away yesterday. Austin Seferian-Jenkins might have given the best interview I've ever heard. Extremely mature, brought up his DUI by himself, talked about being more consistent, he actually brought a notebook to his interviews and asked coaches and GMs what successful players did and took notes. I really, really like him, seems mature beyond his years (he's only 21). Consider me sold. It was Alex Marvev and Phil Savage interviewing him and they were both absolutely blown away.

In comment 11626920 Amtoft said:

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In comment 11626916 Hades07 said: Quote: ...I like Latimer and Landry in the 3rd at WR. Not a huge upside with Landry, but I can't see him not being successful in the NFL and Eli will love throwing to him, good hands on this kid. Why not a huge upset to Landry? Has some of the best hands in the draft and runs better routes than most also. His combine speed is a result to pulling up lame with a Hammy... he is probably a 4.6 type player, but that is plenty of speed.

Because he is not particularly fast or particularly big. What he is is great possession type WR that will find himself open and making catches in big spots, much like Steve Smith before he got hurt. I don't ever expect to hear Landry mentioned among the best WR in the game at any point, but whatever QB gets him will love him.

just a really good football player.

on the Giants

...Matthews and Adams will both likely be there for the Giants 2nd round pick and would represent value at the spot. Not sure which of the 2 the Giants would prefer.

smart, big and fairly physical but more importantly, very RELIABLE and SMART. He will be where he is supposed to be, always. I'm really interested to see what mcadoo wants to do with the offense but a guy to take the top off of the defense would be nice too.

If we get a WR within the first 3 rounds I know I'll be happy with whoever it is. Ideally I'd like someone like Cody Latimer, Jordan Matthews, or Allen Robinson in the 2nd. Jarvis Landry I'd like in the 2nd but I think it might be possible he slips to 3rd.

and Indianapolis (GoTerps)

must still be celebrating the NCAA victory!

can't believe Uconn won

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Donte Moncrief represents more of a good thing for the Packers. He was BPA in my opinion which is what GM, Ted Thompson ascribes to. Even if their needs are clearly elsewhere, you just can't ignore talent when it presents itself. I was seriously looking to fill the need at TE and Safety at this pick, but both guys whose value and need fit nicely here in the second round were picked prior to my turn. I decided to go with the top guy on my list regardless of need. Hopefully, need and value collide later in the draft. We will see. Moncrief needs refining, so fortunately, he won't have to be the man until later in his career. Aaron Rodgers is going to like having a new Red Zone target now that James Jones is gone.

Great, great pick. Would've taken him at the top of the third round if he fell because he was far and away the BPA, IMO.

Thank you. I don't watch college ball much at all, so I rely on the internet's draft prognosticators to give me insight into draft picks. Everything I read about Moncrief I liked. Tall, fast and big with a good attitude. Sounds like a perfect fit for Green Bay. I really wasn't looking to go WR this early, but considering the other talent available at the time, I couldn't say no. Give Rodgers more weapons, watch out.

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Thank you. I don't watch college ball much at all, so I rely on the internet's draft prognosticators to give me insight into draft picks. Everything I read about Moncrief I liked. Tall, fast and big with a good attitude. Sounds like a perfect fit for Green Bay. I really wasn't looking to go WR this early, but considering the other talent available at the time, I couldn't say no. Give Rodgers more weapons, watch out.

Watched him quite a bit over the last couple years and I'm a big fan. He had a monster outing against LSU and 2012, which immediately put him on my radar. Think he'll have a better pro than college career, especially now that he's away from the erratic Bo Wallace.

Monster outing against LSU in 2012.

Who's the autopick for the Chargers if uconngiant doesn't make his pick? Carlos Hyde?

They don't need a running back with Mathews under contract for two more years, Woodhead filling his role nicely, and Donald Brown signing a three-year deal this offseason.

The other BPA option from GBN's board would be A.J. McCarron. Rivers has only two years left on his deal and turns 33 at the end of the season, so even though there's not an immediate need there it's not completely unrealistic.

I think we aren't utilizing a clock today because of the holiday today. No autopick is necessary.

Thank you for the observations about Donte. Helps to verify that I made the right choice. I'm awesome. :-)

And the draft is just under 3 weeks away, Matt decided to stop the clock for Good Friday. Clock will resume Monday at 9 AM

I think the Google Doc is based on an earlier GBN board.
33. Jimmy Garoppolo                QB               Eastern Illinois
41. Zach Mettenberger             QB               LSU (X)
43. Carlos Hyde                       RB               Ohio State (O)
45. AJ  McCarron                    QB              Alabama
51. Brandon Thomas                 G/T             Clemson
54. Lamarcus Joyner                 DB              Florida State
58. *Tre Mason                        RB              Auburn
59. Weston Richburg                  C               Colorado State
60. *Carl Bradford                   OLB             Arizona State
61. *Marcus Roberson              CB             Florida
62. *Marcus Martin                   C                Southern California
65. *Jeremy Hill                        RB              LSU (O)
66. Jaylen Watkins                    CB              Florida
67. Jack Mewhort                     OT              Ohio State
68. Marcus Smith                     OLB             Louisville (X)
71. *Ego Ferguson                    DT              LSU
72. *Bashaud Breeland             CB                Clemson 
73. Gabe Jackson                     OG              Mississippi State
74. Cody Latimer                      WR             Indiana
75. DaQuan Jones                    DT               Penn State

There doesn't seem to be an obvious fit for the Chargers' main needs, although I guess they could double up at DB.