We will use this thread as a discussion thread to keep the picks thread uncluttered. These threads will be used for the duration of the entire draft and will need to be bumped occasionally to push them back to page 1 of the forum.
Once a team is on the clock, they will have two hours to make a selection. If a team goes on the clock after 4pm, their two hour window will roll over to the next day. For example, if you go on the clock at 4:30pm, you will have until 9:30 am to make a selection. Picks may be made between 6pm and 9am if GMs are online and following the draft thread. The time limit only applies during the 9am to 6pm time frame. If the two hour time limit expires, I will make a pick using any list that the GM for the team has sent me in advance (send lists to the email address in my profile) or in the absence of a list, I will use the
GBN Big Board with a little discretion so as not make an obvious dumb pick (ie: Indianapolis Colts won’t be taking a QB in the 1st round this year). If a GM misses two consecutive picks without providing a prospect list or making some form of contact with me (email or posting on the draft thread) Saos1n and Yatqb will have priority to fill the vacancy. Otherwise, the spot will be reassigned to one of the BBIers that didn't get into the draft but were active in this thread.
I have saved the GBN Big Board as of 4/2 in a
Google Document. Once again, we will have a
Google Spreadsheet. The spreadsheet contains the draft order (RD1-5) by team (and GM) and a list of both available and taken prospects based on the GBN Big Board (as well as several other prospects that did not make the GBN Big Board). I will try to keep the spreadsheet and thread updates as often as possible.
Look back at 2007. The Raiders really should have taken Johnson.
I wouldn't be surprised if Cleveland takes an OT in 1 then trades back up to the 20-25 range to get a QB if they drop.
Or, maybe they just don't feel like hitching their careers to a player they don't think is all that good.
either way, shut up and make your own picks. Nothing that's happened so far is beyond what might really take place.
King MMQB: The Draft Games Begin
It's a rite of April. Draft chatter is at full buzz and no one knows what's the truth and what's just spin. Let's cut through all that with five things to know as May 8 draws near. Plus, NFL Media's new leader, 10 things and my journey to England
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"5. A few teams with quarterback needs have an interesting strategy. I’ve heard that at least four quarterback-needy teams—Houston (first pick), Jacksonville (3), Cleveland (4) and Oakland (5)—are strongly considering passing on quarterbacks with their first picks and waiting until their second or third selections. Simple reason: They’re not in love with any of the quarterbacks, and there are too many other good players who are surer things than a quarterback you have sincere doubts about. For that reason, there could be more quarterbacks taken in round two than round one. For instance, Jacksonville really likes Jimmy Garoppolo of Eastern Illinois, and he’d likely be there high in the second round when the Jags pick again, at 39."
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/04/14/nfl-draft-jadeveon-clowney-monday-morning-qb/
That does make sense. I haven't been reading any true blue glowing reviews about any of the top QBs this year. There isn't a Luck or RGIII in the lot. I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility that the May 8 draft will start off like ours has.
It was going to be tough to pick between any two of those guys but the Falcons need OL help and Matthews is a great addition.
I can't help but think if the Giants didn't go on their stupid run beating a bunch of crappy teams they could have gotten one of these 3 or Watkins. ...Sigh...
26 and 35 for 12. Do it Jerry. Do it.
Some people have been reading too many mocks. Let each BBIer play GM for the day, dammit.
I took an approach of breaking the players into tiers and then ranking within a tier by need. QBs bubbled up to the top of each tier and there were multiple in my top 8 picks for number 8 before the draft started.
I think Bortles is the safest QB when you compare him to the prototype for QBs who have been successful in the NFL. Great size and very good mobility for a guy his size. Reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger in this aspect. Level of competition is always a concern with a school like UCF, but wins this season vs Louisville, Rutgers and Baylor show that he can play at higher levels than his in conference schedule would typically include.
You mean they are better than my crazy eyes gif of Kyle Long last year or "kick in the nuts"?
I don't think the point of this exercise is to predict what teams will actually do pick to pick. I think if each guy picks the guy he thinks his best, in the end it creates an interesting picture and discussion piece prior to the draft.
So you should just not pick a QB ever then because you don't want to make that more disastrous mistake, BUT then you just passed the position you should put the highest priority on. Without a QB your team is nothing. Look at most of the top QBs and most are 1st rounders.
The Mock Draft is about to become epic.
It is a discussion thread... I can bitch all I want. Bitch bitch bitch. I think you should do what is best for your team and Cleveland needs a QB... Jacksonville needs a QB... Houston needs a QB... No way all 3 pass on a QB. It mocks a mock draft that someone would think Hoyer will be good in Cleveland and they don't need a QB and this is my discussion on your horrible pick. Enjoy buddy.
Or, maybe they just don't feel like hitching their careers to a player they don't think is all that good.
either way, shut up and make your own picks. Nothing that's happened so far is beyond what might really take place.
Shut up, worry about my own picks, make my own picks, in a discussion thread? And I am the one that sounds idiotic. What is this thread for genius? Shut up and make my own picks... don't say how stupid the picks are when they are stupid. Maybe you should focus your attention on discussing the actual picks in the draft rather than me.... unless you want to start a Amtoft discussion thread.
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Quit bitching about other peoples picks. Maybe I am not sold on any of the "top 3" quarterbacks and I'd rather take someone with my OTHER FIRST ROUND PICK or in the second. I am not passing on a guy who I think is a rare talent in Robinson because you think I need a qb at 4. I think with a dominate offensive line, Gordon and Cameron, Hoyer can win games in Cleveland.
It is a discussion thread... I can bitch all I want. Bitch bitch bitch. I think you should do what is best for your team and Cleveland needs a QB... Jacksonville needs a QB... Houston needs a QB... No way all 3 pass on a QB. It mocks a mock draft that someone would think Hoyer will be good in Cleveland and they don't need a QB and this is my discussion on your horrible pick. Enjoy buddy.
On the Cleveland situation, with a pick later in the 1st, they are free to go non-QB at pick #4 if they like multiple guys further down the board. If you really like Carr and Garrapolo(sp?) as better long term prospects, you could probably get one of them later. A bit of a risk, but in real life you could move up form #26 if you thought you weren't going to get one.
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That is why you draft for players and not position. If you need a TE and you draft one in the first but not a player you believe in, you have thrown away your pick. But screwing up a QB pick is more disastrous than a TE.
So you should just not pick a QB ever then because you don't want to make that more disastrous mistake, BUT then you just passed the position you should put the highest priority on. Without a QB your team is nothing. Look at most of the top QBs and most are 1st rounders.
Not joking at all... The only joke is Houston, Jacksonville, and Cleveland all passing a QB. That will never ever happen. That is the joke. Watkins wasn't even in my top 5 picks to be taken by the Raiders. It was Clowney and then Manziel. To me a team like the Raiders and other teams can't afford to pass on Manziel and they won't. So no I was very happy Manziel was there, but I find it disturbing that we are trending towards just taking the top player available rather than the best fit. Is this a top player list or a mock draft where a team is trying to better their team?
Thank you good sir. I appreciate saying this.
I took an approach of breaking the players into tiers and then ranking within a tier by need. QBs bubbled up to the top of each tier and there were multiple in my top 8 picks for number 8 before the draft started.
I think Bortles is the safest QB when you compare him to the prototype for QBs who have been successful in the NFL. Great size and very good mobility for a guy his size. Reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger in this aspect. Level of competition is always a concern with a school like UCF, but wins this season vs Louisville, Rutgers and Baylor show that he can play at higher levels than his in conference schedule would typically include.
Great pick Jay and so far the steal in the draft... There is a very good chance he is the first pick in the draft.
With teams as shitty as Cleveland, you have to wonder if they like QBs in next years draft better too.
Were either of them a better team for taking a QB?
Cleveland needed one... forced a pick for Brandon Weeden. You think Cleveland would have been better off waiting to take Foles/Wilson later?
Yes, I'm cherry-picking examples. But the point is you don't just take a QB b/c you need one, you need to be sure you are getting a long-term answer for the position if you are going to use a top 10 pick on one. Otherwise, you are setting your team back multiple years - just like my examples above who wasted picks on QBs within the last 3 years and are looking for a new QB again.
Some people have been reading too many mocks. Let each BBIer play GM for the day, dammit.
mrvax... That is exactly what I am doing... You don't think GMs get negative feed back? I am just helping them fulfill their dreams brother!
The only QB in this draft I would spend a first on and it wouldn't be a high one is Carr. A desperation pick at a position of need does not fix your position of need, see: Joseph, William.
The only position that usually trumps BPA is QB. If you don't have a QB it doesn't usually matter who you have at OT, LB, DE, or WR... Or TE, OG, C, DT, RB, CB, Safety (free and strong!), or FB.
Look back at 2007. The Raiders really should have taken Johnson.
Bingo.
FWIW, I would've taken Marcus Mariota with the first overall pick if he declared. But he obviously decided to stay in school, so the choice became obvious.
But what if these QBs aren't the QB to have?
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My #4 overall prospect.
I took an approach of breaking the players into tiers and then ranking within a tier by need. QBs bubbled up to the top of each tier and there were multiple in my top 8 picks for number 8 before the draft started.
I think Bortles is the safest QB when you compare him to the prototype for QBs who have been successful in the NFL. Great size and very good mobility for a guy his size. Reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger in this aspect. Level of competition is always a concern with a school like UCF, but wins this season vs Louisville, Rutgers and Baylor show that he can play at higher levels than his in conference schedule would typically include.
Great pick Jay and so far the steal in the draft... There is a very good chance he is the first pick in the draft.
Thanks, though had I been picking 1st it wouldn't have been Bortles. I would have taken Clowney, Watson or Mack in that order ahead of him. Also would have taken Robinson and one other prospect still on the board ahead of any of the other QBs.
I agree with the sentiment of these QBs feeling like less of a sure thing than in some other years. Also with the vikes having Cassell as a caretaker for a year or two I could have gone with more of a project in the 2nd round or later.
Bortles was the one really clean prospect at QB in my opinion so I pulled the trigger and hopefully solved the problem at the most important position on the field.
With teams as shitty as Cleveland, you have to wonder if they like QBs in next years draft better too.
I am sorry I didn't think I name called anyone once? If you thought I was name calling at you I wasn't. The only thing I can think that I said was it was stupid that 3 teams in dire need of a QB, the most important position to a team, would all pass on one. I never once said Lionhard28 you are an idiot or whatever else people are saying about me... What is it now I have head trauma or some other stupid response.