Giants concerned Eli is in "decline"?

before his brother whose 5 years older than him and just put up one of, if not the best qb seasons of all time. Although obviously peyton has always been better, I like to think last season was due more to the reasons mentioned above (we, te, line, and running game)

Eli is fine if the ol is fine. It is as simple as that.

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Said a month or 2 ago..
He wouldnt rule out a qb
In draft...not signing eli
Is smart..he actually had
2 bad years..and I think if they
Sign Flynn. .he is a backup
That can start...if not
12th pick could be a qb..
Manning will want 25mil
And 4 year guarantee..
I think that is not wise..
Oline and new offense..will
Demand more mobile qb..and
Mac said screens will be
Most important in his offense
And eli has been horrible
Screen qb...could be end

guy had no OL, couldn't run the ball or pass it. Our X was useless. Our Z made plays but then 8 ints was when he was targeted. Murphy was int machine. Fool can't run a 5 yard hitch without drafting. Our Rbs useless and TE useless. That added to Eli making stupid decisions to trying to force things. He didn't trust his WRs corps, which coughlin said after the season.

Add in shitty drafts since Ross was hired, and you get this mess.

I doubt see how someone can say with all those conditions above, eli had a pro bowl season.

The Giants are playing it perfectly. Eli will be 35 when his 2 years left expires. I wouldn't touch his contract either. In fact, the coaching staff are on a 2 year deal. Basically 1 year since TC won't coach on a lame duck year.

AR, RR, and Wilsons contracts expire in 2 years. Everyone else, WRs, and rest of the TEs, contract expires in 1 year. So yeah, if we fuck up our team can see massive changes. It could mean change in coaching staff, and not bring Eli back.

I think it's a smart move to leave his contract the way it is and say, we expect better this year. If our team sucks, we can rip it all down.

they will draft a QB at 12. I'll believe that if I see it.

Eli is concerned that the Giants haven't been able to support him with a viable offensive line, number one receiver, tight end and running game for the past two years.

In comment 11617507 Chicken Teriyaki Boy said:

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Eli is concerned that the Giants haven't been able to support him with a viable offensive line, number one receiver, tight end and running game for the past two years.

LOL ^^^ This ^^^^

Graziano is terrible

Curious to see his wording.

to be fair.. the Giants could both have concerns Eli is in decline AND view none of the QB's at 12 worthy of using a premium pick on. Plus they could be "concerned" but that doesn't mean it's a fact.

there have been many people on this site who have said not to extend eli this offseason and see how he plays this season first.

this is not an anti-giants article by graziano

Eli's at his best in high pressure situations, and when under scrutiny... remember the whole "elite" things? He goes on to have his best season, capped by a SB win.

Personally I'd bet on Eli proving to the Giants he's well worth another fat contract extension past his current one.

The draft performance of the NYG front office since Ross was hired.

There are those who wonder whether Manning is a player in decline at age 33. This is a question that has not gone unasked within the ranks of the Giants' front office. It is part of the reason the Giants decided not to try this offseason to extend Manning's contract, which runs through 2015, even though doing so would have offered them significant salary cap relief. They would like to see him pull out of his downward trend before they commit to his late 30s. Their hope is that he has a big year and that extending him next offseason makes sense.

But there's no way to know, and the Giants didn't exactly load up around Manning this offseason. They brought in a couple of new offensive linemen who may or may not be upgrades. They added a running back who's probably better than what they had in the second half of 2013. They did not upgrade at wide receiver or tight end. Manning is going to have to make his recovery more or less on his own. He's going to have to find a way to improve the aspects of his performance that were his fault in 2013. The Giants hope that, in doing so, he can elevate the personnel around him on the offensive side of the ball.

They're also hoping, as coach Tom Coughlin has said more than once, that Manning will be "energized" by the arrival of new offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo. After 10 years in basically the same system, Manning will be learning new things this summer and putting them into practice in the fall. We do not yet know enough about the offense McAdoo is installing to guess whether Manning's skills are suited to it, but it's safe to assume the Giants asked (and answered) that question before hiring McAdoo. The new offense, if it bears any resemblance to the one in which McAdoo worked in Green Bay, is likely to rely on quick decision-making (a Manning strength) and short-range accuracy. The old reliance on downfield timing and the ability of his receivers to read coverages exactly as he does from play to play could dwindle, and with it the interception total.

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49'ers were convinced Y.A. Title was in decline......

the Pats were convinced Jim Plunkett was finished.....

Guys have won Sb's way over 33.........

It's nonsense.

cites no sources. Eli is 33, but he has been one of the healthier QBs in the league since he came into the NFL. Compare Eli's health to Ben R.

And except for Pugh, the OL we put on the field last year was indescribably bad. He also had no running game, no TE, and a diva WR who checked out mentally before the season even started.

That having been said, it's certainly no guarantee that he lasts as long as his brother. His arm could go by the time he's 35. Even a little loss of velocity could be professionally fatal in a league with such small windows and passing lanes.

But right now, it's all systems go.

enough said. Why does anybody put any credence in anything coming from him? He is BSPN's attack dog against the Giant's. I don't open his blog or read anything he writes.

That giants might take qb at 12. Not going to happen at all but maybe a team moves up if they fall for the thinking Giants are looking QB.

I hope that happens, but a lot of things have to break right for that to happen. I just want us to be an above .500 team were Eli can play very well. If that translates to big time success then fine by me.

obviously he doesn't have the genes to play successfully into his late 30s.

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of Eli shoving another Lombardi Trophy right up his critics' asses.

In comment 11617494 nyjuggernaut said:

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yes but he retracted it

Eli Manning is the greatest QB in the history of The Giants

But the "in decline" argument is definitely in the realm of possibility

Yes, the talent around Eli this past season was atrocious....and any QB would have a bad season with a similar supporting cast

The season Eli just put together was not that of a Two Time Super Bowl Champion and a 10 year NFL Starting QB....I don't think any of the "Top 5" players at the QB position in the NFL would have done anything CLOSE to what this season was for Eli

The season before was equally as bad....

When does the finger get pointed at the QB for the blame?
Does a receiver run the wrong route EVERYTIME he throws the ball? Does the Running back truely not know how to catch a screen pass? Does the QB ALWAYS call the RIGHT protection? Do lineman not hold blocks at all?

If he struggles again this year, I feel that some on this board will force the blame on McAdoo and not the QB

I'm a Eli Manning guy....but I'm in the camp that his best days are behind him

I seriously hope I'm wrong

The Giants didnt need to extend Eli's contract this year. It was always an option but they were able to be extremely active in free agency WITHOUT giving him an extension.

Do the Giants want to see if Eli can rebound.. of course.. thats why they got a new OC.. and are going to fix the OL and give him weapons that he can succeed with.

Very stupid article..

and Nicks didn't have the comeback year we expected. But Eli wasn't making throws that he should make when he did have time. So I get people's concern and think it's legit, though I expect we'll see the good Eli this season.

If not, they blow the whole thing up. Most of the signings and re-signings reflect an attitude that they need to show significant improvement this year (playoffs) and win in 2015-2016.

No surprises. It is better than waiting for the QB to get old.

has Eli plateaued ? Or was the team so flawed that Eli was buried? There is always the possibility that father time is catching up to Eli's game

because it wasn't a fiscally smart move? It only provides short term relief, and they haven't had the need for the extra room this year. extending 2 years of high salary is a lot of money to borrow from the future.

But anyhow, only morons aren't concerned about when the inevitable decline sets in, especially coming off a bad year. That doesn't mean anyone is in panic mode (other than on BBI).

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could have had a successful year with the Giants Oline/TE/RB situation. None.

Can't wait for him to silence everyone.

that a certain number of pundits will decide the accumulation of young tqalented QBs means the incumbent is on shaky ground. Just speculation, but behind the scenes who knows what the FO thinks. Personally think it is all BS and just due diligence that will not cost us a lot to try them out, while ELI is rehabbing.

Eli's biggest hurdle is long gone...Kevin Gilbride.

that if Eli is going to finish his run on a strong note, the time was now to make some serious changes

Hence the new OC and all our FA moves. But we still need a talent upgrade across the board on offense...OL, WR, TE

is playing for his job for 15 this year. It's as simple as that. If they could find someone to play QB as well at, say, 4 million a year, they'd do it. He's already made the vast majority of the money he'll make in his Giants career. I am a huge Eli fan. But this is the reality. The obsession with constantly comparing to his brother: he's not his brother. The Eagles did it to McNabb at about the same age, right? In fact, Don had lost it. The Eagles were correct. Flynn could be brought in to replace Painter-true. Freeman is different. He would be more like a viable alternative if they could get his head screwed on straight and streamlined his mechanics.

I think Eli will have a big bounce back season in 14. But the Giants have paid him for those 2 Super Bowl wins. When Young & Reeves thought they had a viable alternative in Dave Brown, they sacked Simms. Same deal here with Eli.

How can he know there will not be upgrades at wr and te

or that the Giants have a choice but to expect Eli to play better, but here's Bob McGinn quoting scouts on how bad Eli looked last year.

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Eli Manning has started 144 straight games, the third-longest streak by an NFL quarterback behind Brett Favre (297) and Eli's brother Peyton (208). He also was MVP of the Super Bowls after the 2007 and 2011 seasons. Now Manning is off to his poorest start since establishing himself in 2005, and some personnel men are attributing it to being shell-shocked in the pocket. "He's just scared to death," one scout said. "I haven't been around a player that has just taken a turn from being so good to so bad so quick. He's absolutely killing them." On Oct. 21, Vikings DE Jared Allen bull-rushed LT Will Beatty. When Beatty backed into Manning, Allen reached all the way around Beatty and grabbed Manning around the waist as best he could. Although no other rusher approached, Manning really didn't try to release from Allen's grasp before falling down for a sack. "It was funny," said another scout. "He goes right through the tackle and Eli just kind of went in the fetal position. It was embarrassing. I've never seen that before." Two months shy of his 33rd birthday, Manning has lost some of his modest ability to move away from the rush. He has taken a lot of hits, especially early in the season, and he appears more gun-shy than ever before. "The Jared Allen sack, I never saw that in my life," one of the personnel men said. "That was the epitome of him this year. He just cowered and started moving toward Beatty. It was mind-boggling. "He is terrible. Terrible. It started out with everybody making excuses, but the more you watch him play, it's him. It's bizarre. It's pathetic."

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that sack was on Beatty...what was Eli supposed to do? He probably wanted to protect the ball and himself, so he went down...probably what he was told to do.

Eli scared? really? GTFO.

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In comment 11617653 RetroJint said:

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is playing for his job for 15 this year. It's as simple as that. If they could find someone to play QB as well at, say, 4 million a year, they'd do it. He's already made the vast majority of the money he'll make in his Giants career. I am a huge Eli fan. But this is the reality. The obsession with constantly comparing to his brother: he's not his brother. The Eagles did it to McNabb at about the same age, right? In fact, Don had lost it. The Eagles were correct. Flynn could be brought in to replace Painter-true. Freeman is different. He would be more like a viable alternative if they could get his head screwed on straight and streamlined his mechanics. I think Eli will have a big bounce back season in 14. But the Giants have paid him for those 2 Super Bowl wins. When Young & Reeves thought they had a viable alternative in Dave Brown, they sacked Simms. Same deal here with Eli.

And when they sacked Simms, we had to wait a decade for the next franchise QB...it's never easy to find one of those. That being said, the Giants shouldn't extend Eli until they see he can play at the highest levels again

you have to.

because his last name is Manning.. If his last name was Jones or Smith he wouldnt get anywhere near the crap he gets as an NFL QB..

Like your posts that seem well thought out and insiteful but can you please extend your line sentenses (script), its very hard reading. Thanks.

Was awful last year. No practice time with WR's didn't help. That being said he is 33 and if he does have another awful year the Giants could cut him for a 2 million cap hit. I am not saying they will do this but it is smart not to lock themselves into a QB that could be in decline.

In comment 11617661 Phil S said:

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How can he know there will not be upgrades at wr and te

you are assuming whoever we draft, if we even draft a TE or WR, will make a severe impact in his rookie year...that is pretty rare and extremely more so rare on a Tom Coughlin team. With KG out of the way, it might happen...who knows?...but it is still a big assumption.

why would they think Eli is declining. Why isn't Coughlin declining, then? They both had the same results this year and Coughlin is way the fuck older.

how anyone can blame Eli getting rushed on his "cowering" is beyond me

it's obviously just some guy who doesn't like Eli. People see what they want to see. Reality has little influence on people like that.