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NFT: Game of Thrones: s4e02

Modus Operandi : 4/13/2014 10:46 am
A toast to the proud Lannister children, the dwarf, the cripple and the mother of madness.

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I would say the wine  
WeatherMan : 4/14/2014 2:38 pm : link
as he was already spitting some of it up during the dwarf farce. Fun to finally see the bastard bite it.
RE: motley - how do you figure  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2014 2:41 pm : link
In comment 11619877 Nitro said:
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Well, if it was the wine, everybody at that table drinking from that carafe would be dying.

Not everybody would get the first bite of wedding pie.
I just figure  
Motley Blue : 4/14/2014 2:44 pm : link
for one the poison could be placed out of sight and not tried to be slipped in front of an entire reception. That's risky, but not impossible. 2.) pretty much guarantees Joffrey eats it first. (Maybe Margery does too / they feed each other)

I'm thinking showing Tyrion picking up the goblet might have been some misdirection.
also think it was the pie  
M in CT : 4/14/2014 2:44 pm : link
for the same reason TTH stated - the king is almost certainly getting that first bite of pie, but you never know who's drinking from the wine.

i'm not sure if Tywin was mentioned in this thread, and thus, i don't know if he qualifies for the "one of you got it correct" reveal thereafter, but my guess is Tywin.

he's ruthless and he wants to stay in power. Joffrey mouthed off to him at the end of last season and he was none too pleased about that. now Joffrey is basically out of control, embarrassing the family. by killing Joffrey, Tywin gets the crown to pass to Tommen, who is like 7, which ostensibly makes Tywin king until Tommen comes of age, and returns Cersei to Queen Regent. it also consolidates power with the Lannisters, rather than sharing it with the Tyrells.

and poor Margaery is 0 for 2 on king husbands.

all speculation, of course. i read only the first book and then decided that i like the show much better.
then again  
M in CT : 4/14/2014 2:46 pm : link
was it Tywin's idea to marry Joffrey and Margaery?

ah, fuck me.
Speaking of the dwarf battle  
Motley Blue : 4/14/2014 2:46 pm : link
Anybody notice Little Renley getting butt blasted?
as for Cersei  
M in CT : 4/14/2014 2:48 pm : link
i don't think it was her and i have two main reasons:

1) she's an amoral witch, but i think she draws the line at her own children. i remember her reaction when myrcella left for dorne. i don't think she'd kill her own son for any reason.

2) she was working on the Shae angle at the time of the murder and her instinct was to blame Tyrion when Joffrey fell. so, my reasoning is as follows: if Cersei was planning to kill Joffrey and frame Tyrion for the murder, she wouldn't give a fuck about Shae.
yep, dwarf Renly with an oversized ass hanging out  
WeatherMan : 4/14/2014 2:49 pm : link
to get blasted was quite intentional, hence Loras storming off in anger. He got a good zinger in on Jaime though, with the neither will you comment.
Am I the only one to notice that they cut from the  
BigBlueBuff : 4/14/2014 2:49 pm : link
opening scene showing Theon/Reek right to Jamie and Tyrion eating sausage? I have to admit that I laughed when I saw that!
i'm talking about the actresses  
UConn4523 : 4/14/2014 2:53 pm : link
not that characters. Shae is just awful. Her accent + her immense amount of lines throughout the past 2 seasons is criminal.

The actress that plays Margery does an adequate job (doesn't hold a candle to the actual book character), but she just bothers me as an actress.
I think the poison  
PEEJ : 4/14/2014 2:56 pm : link
was put into Joffrey's cup (the gift from Mace Tyrell), not into the wine.

Whodunit ? Call CSI.
ooh, that's a good point  
M in CT : 4/14/2014 3:04 pm : link
but are you sure he drank from the same cup that he received as a gift? i definitely didn't catch that.

oh, and him hacking up the book Tyrion gave him with the sword was nuts. great way to go out for that character. bad to the bone to the very end.
the gift cup was excessively large and meant for both  
WeatherMan : 4/14/2014 3:06 pm : link
members of the couple to drink from, so that is unlikely as a target. The goblet he was drinking from at the feast was a different, more normal sized one.
the wine, the pie, the cup  
Motley Blue : 4/14/2014 3:07 pm : link
so that must mean it was the fork!
imagine  
M in CT : 4/14/2014 3:09 pm : link
one of the midgets did it? if that's the case, i'm officially stopping trying to guess.
Its always the butler.  
Curtis in VA : 4/14/2014 3:11 pm : link
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The pellet...  
Chris in Philly : 4/14/2014 3:11 pm : link
with the poison is in the vessel with the pestle. The flagon with the dragon has the brew which is true...
The chalice from the palace ?  
PEEJ : 4/14/2014 3:15 pm : link
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Nobody mentioned the acrobat  
Exit 172 : 4/14/2014 3:16 pm : link
doing the split.

So I'm mentioning her.
Don't forget...  
Chris in Philly : 4/14/2014 3:17 pm : link
it...
...  
Wuphat : 4/14/2014 7:47 pm : link
Ned... Season 1  
Amtoft : 4/14/2014 8:21 pm : link
gets his head cut off! Take that none reading book people!



Spoiler alert
so people just curious  
Scotty9678 : 4/14/2014 8:30 pm : link
Who tried to have Bran killed in season 1 - that mystery was never properly revisited. Meaning whose dagger was that?
RE: so people just curious  
m4hleon : 4/14/2014 8:43 pm : link
In comment 11620342 Scotty9678 said:
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Who tried to have Bran killed in season 1 - that mystery was never properly revisited. Meaning whose dagger was that?


We might find out soon!
I just rewatched it also never read any of the books  
eli4life : 4/14/2014 8:45 pm : link
I think it was either Cersei or Oleena Tyrel. Both can be pretty evil but I'm leaning towards Oleena because of that crap she was saying about killing a man at a wedding
Cersei  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/14/2014 9:08 pm : link
Has a cunt mouth. Can't believe she was married to Leonidas.

I'd frost...  
Chris in Philly : 4/14/2014 11:28 pm : link
that mouth like a plasterer's boot!
.  
Exit 172 : 4/14/2014 11:30 pm : link
RE: so people just curious  
BigBlueBuff : 4/14/2014 11:41 pm : link
In comment 11620342 Scotty9678 said:
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Who tried to have Bran killed in season 1 - that mystery was never properly revisited. Meaning whose dagger was that?
Scotty- Without giving it away, the HBO version is slightly different in that I believe it has been strongly implied that it was Jamie or Cersei who hired the assassin to kill Bran with Tyrion's dagger. However, in the books it was different (but not plot changing different) and the actual truth revealed in the timeline just before the events of last night's episode. I'm not sure if I should say who because I would rather err on the side of caution with this one.
I agree with the first part of that  
bigbluehoya : 4/15/2014 5:51 am : link
Re: the show. I wasn't even thinking of that question as an "open item" despite the fact that the show never revealed exactly which person put the hit out.
holy shit am I late to this thread  
beatrixkiddo : 4/15/2014 3:30 pm : link
but I have the sneaking suspicion that it was Cercei who poisoned her own son.

She seemed way to discontent giving up her power, she's a psychopath inbred loving weirdo, and I recall her once trying to take her own life with a vile of poison. Wouldn't surprise me as the Lannisters are one F-ed up family. The only one really worthy of living is the imp, and perhaps Jamie for as much as I hate him he is a good character.

I hate Stannis and that Fire worshiping cult, I hope something bad comes to them all.

I like Stannis and his crew  
Motley Blue : 4/15/2014 3:55 pm : link
Onion Guy is cool & Red Lady is hot.
It has to be the fool, right?  
schabadoo : 4/15/2014 4:08 pm : link
How'd he know to tell Sansa to leave when it started?

I agree  
NJGiantFan84 : 4/15/2014 4:27 pm : link
I had no doubt it was the Fool following the end of the pisode until i started hearing everyones theories. Now they all make sense to me.

Maybe he was quick enough to realize Tyrion would be suspected and thus, his wife would also be a suspect?

I also went back and did not see 1 part of the wedding where the fool was close enough to the wine to poison it.

But if I had to put my money on the line, I'd go big and put it all on the line for the fool.
It was a conspiracy  
PEEJ : 4/15/2014 4:30 pm : link
between the military-industrial complex and the Westeros mafia.

Tyrion is just a patsy.
RE: It was a conspiracy  
Scyber : 4/15/2014 4:31 pm : link
In comment 11621737 PEEJ said:
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between the military-industrial complex and the Westeros mafia.

Tyrion is just a patsy.


It was the illuminati
It's a mystery...  
Chris in Philly : 4/15/2014 4:35 pm : link
wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma...
The Iron Bank of Braavos  
RB^2 : 4/15/2014 4:43 pm : link
and the financial elites are behind this.

Also, you are all sheeple.

#OccupyAegon'sHill
well  
M in CT : 4/15/2014 4:44 pm : link
for us non-book readers, they introduced the fool just last episode so, to me, it would be pretty weak if a guy we know nothing about (the fool) murdered the king for no reason other than that he wanted to impress Sansa.

i think it's much more likely that when he saw it all go wrong, he immediately thought to help her because he figured she might get caught up in the accusations.
He was actually...  
Chris in Philly : 4/15/2014 4:44 pm : link
introduced in season one.
M in CT  
NJGiantFan84 : 4/15/2014 4:52 pm : link
I haven't read the books either. But The Fool was saved by Sansa on Joffrey's name day early on in Season 2 I believe, when he showed up drunk to fight as a Knight. Joffrey wanted to kill him by forcing more and more wine down his throat. Sansa convinced him it was bad luck to kill someone on your name day, so Joffrey made him the fool rather than kill him.

ah  
M in CT : 4/15/2014 4:55 pm : link
so much for that...

not easy to keep track of all these characters.
I make  
NJGiantFan84 : 4/15/2014 5:01 pm : link
it a point to watch the "previously on" segments because a lot of times they remind you of something that happened a season or 2 ago that may have some relevance in the upcoming episodes. Otherwise I likely would have forgotten as well.



RE: ah  
Amtoft : 4/15/2014 5:08 pm : link
In comment 11621785 M in CT said:
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so much for that...

not easy to keep track of all these characters.


A ton more characters in the book... They actually consolidate a bunch of characters for the TV series. A lot of it is different from the books also so anyone that says they know what is happening because of the books could be wrong. They have the jist of what is going on and what will happen, but it is different.
Start thinking it was the cake instead of the wine  
schabadoo : 4/15/2014 5:17 pm : link
And it is easily the Fool. Or anyone else.

When the dogs die in the kennel they'll know it was the food. Or the Fool confesses to Sansa.
"The fool" (Ser Dontos)  
Exit 172 : 4/15/2014 5:44 pm : link
Was introduced in the first episode of season 2.
One thing  
bigbluehoya : 4/15/2014 7:08 pm : link
That I haven't seen mentioned here in favor of the Cersei/Jamie organizing the poisoning.

I may be remembering incorrectly, but didn't Jamie give Catelyn Stark his word that he'd somehow look out for Sansa when he got to Kings Landing.

He and Cersei had plenty of motive, and Cersei could achieve her desire of framing Tyrion while simultaneously allowing Jamie to make good on his word by putting Dontos up to the task of rescuing Sansa away from Kings Landing (assuming that's what he's doing).

I'm probably doing some combination of mis-remembering and over-thinking, but it does make some sense.

Right or wrong, it is interesting to speculate. I can't get enough of this show.
RE: It has to be the fool, right?  
eli4life : 4/15/2014 9:02 pm : link
In comment 11621695 schabadoo said:
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How'd he know to tell Sansa to leave when it started?


I think he was involved but more as a delivery /Messenger role I rewatched the entire reception closely several times and it looked like Oleena Tyrel palmed something when she looking at sensa's necklace plus she was sitting right next to where the cup was when they were having the pie. Someone had to set it upand have the fool give her the necklace. Could it of been the gay Prince whatever his name is?

I don't recall seeing little finger this season yet it sounds like something he would do
The Cersie angle is very intriguing  
Pete in 'Vliet : 4/15/2014 9:06 pm : link
But he was still her son. That the one thing I don't see Cersie as being capable of. She has been consistently protective of her children from episode 1.

Same goes for Jamie. Joffrey was his son too and he knows it.

cool little fan art  
spike : 4/16/2014 5:55 pm : link
based on the famous uncanny X-men 141 cover

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