NFT: Game of Thrones: s4e02

Its adorable.

In comment 11619438 Wuphat said:

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but I think there's a big difference between "So and so killed so and so" and "Of all the guesses as to who killed so and so, someone guessed correctly"

Agree w/this.

discussing suspicions of who might have done it vs. who did do it.

Just wait until Tyrion kills Sansa and Cersei...

I didn't think your comment was much of a spoiler, since most of the suspects had already been named

j_rud wasn't 100% accurate with what he said earlier, and he would likely agree with that statement. If that makes any of you feel better...

It's the Davisians (and other smug book readers) of the world that have me hoping the show catches the books before they're done.

I'm illiterate because I don't read fantasy books, but I have read a few health journals.

Just how old and fat is George R.R. Martin by the way?

and Ser Dontos fat.

In comment 11619453 Motley Blue said:

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It's the Davisians (and other smug book readers) of the world that have me hoping the show catches the books before they're done. I'm illiterate because I don't read fantasy books, but I have read a few health journals.

Did any of those journals cover irony or sarcasm? If you think you're an intellectual bc you read George Martin fantasy novels...well, you read the journals, I shouldn't have to finish.

finish the series, given his work rate.

Won't the show catch the books really soon at this pace?

In comment 11619459 PEEJ said:

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and Ser Dontos fat.

Nah, he's Tarly fat. He makes Dantos look like svelte.

He really controls Westeros.

Hodor

In comment 11619464 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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finish the series, given his work rate. Won't the show catch the books really soon at this pace?

He's already met with a handful of people in his inner circle, including Benoiff from HBO I believe, and has told them how it will finish in case he...ummm...right.

As I am. The link below is based on the books and has some very thought out, and illuminating speculation. Then compare it to events at the wedding, and another instance from the first episode last week.

If you're worried about spoilers, just avoid that stuff referring to later chapters.

It was fun re-watching the wedding stuff and finding some pretty good aha moments...
Link - ( New Window )

Its just that we're better than you. With nicer hair and strong 401k's..

The guy has really created something pretty amazing as far as the arts & entertainment go, plus he's Giants fan who puts cool references in his books about the Giants.

It is funny how his output started slowing down once the Giants started winning Super Bowls again. Maybe he's just sitting around watching his America's Game DVDs and following Ralph Vacchiano on Twitter.

In comment 11619478 Davisian said:

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Its just that we're better than you. With nicer hair and strong 401k's..

Hey, how's the new job with Globogym?

I the books before there was a TV show, and haven't bothered to watch the show since the 2nd season or so.

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In comment 11619487 Enoch said:

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I the books before there was a TV show, and haven't bothered to watch the show since the 2nd season or so.

Are you revolting? If so, you aren't doing too good...

the prettiest guy around here, but "revolting" is pushing it.

I kept rewinding it, but couldn't figure it out.

why did you stop watching?

In comment 11619536 Jim in Scranton said:

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I kept rewinding it, but couldn't figure it out.

I think to show that the birds were inside it, and that Joffrey cut through and killed one of them in the process, showing him as a monster once again.

dies before finishing the books. I'm sure the Weiss and Benioff will not only finish writing the series, but may also write his last book. And I'm ok with that, I've only read the first book so far, but Weiss and Benioff they have done a fantastic job with the series imo and I'm sure they have at least enough knowledge of Martins plans to respectfully finish it themselves

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As soon as the wedding scene started I was afraid that at some point during the reception they would have brought out a captured Shae and have her killed in front of Tyrion. They made such a point of Bron saying that she was safe on the ship and Tryrion seemed convinced that she was away from harm that I thought they would pull a twist engineered by Cersei to have her publicly murdered so as exploit his weakness and destroy her brother.

I'm glad I was wrong. I'm no big fan of the Shae character (a bit too whiney), but I did not want Cersi/Joffery to be able to get away with that cruelty and devastate Tyrion.

I'm the glad the writing is too slick for that kind of obvious plot twist.

For example Tommen, haven't seen him since season 1 - now he's prominently sitting next to Cersei. That in itself is almost a foreshadow of what is to come. Half the people watching go 'who's that other kid?' and while it makes perfect sense for him to be there in a prominent seat, it's still a gentle reminder that the king has a sibling who can fill a void his demise would create.

In comment 11619617 Tony in Tampa said:

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As soon as the wedding scene started I was afraid that at some point during the reception they would have brought out a captured Shae and have her killed in front of Tyrion. They made such a point of Bron saying that she was safe on the ship and Tryrion seemed convinced that she was away from harm that I thought they would pull a twist engineered by Cersei to have her publicly murdered so as exploit his weakness and destroy her brother. I'm glad I was wrong. I'm no big fan of the Shae character (a bit too whiney), but I did not want Cersi/Joffery to be able to get away with that cruelty and devastate Tyrion. I'm the glad the writing is too slick for that kind of obvious plot twist.

Shae and Margery are my least favorite characters on the show, so I would have loved this!

Can't stand either actress.

Last summer Weiss and Benioff MET with GRR to discuss where he was going with the Story and what was the likely Ending in case GRR suddenly...you know.
So they already know and most likely the story arcs will be somewhat different then the books anyway.
Many PROPS To Jack Gleason , I know the kid is retiring from acting so I wish him well and hope he at least gets an Emmy nomination for his work on the show.

at Martin's unassuming New Mexico home. Apparently a few trusted writer friends as well as Weiss and Benioff were in attendance. Martin laid down the rest of the story and instructed them how to close it out in the event that he can't. So there are actually half a dozen or so people who already know how it ends, even though it probably won't wrap until my 16 month old starts college.

In comment 11619674 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 11619617 Tony in Tampa said: Quote: As soon as the wedding scene started I was afraid that at some point during the reception they would have brought out a captured Shae and have her killed in front of Tyrion. They made such a point of Bron saying that she was safe on the ship and Tryrion seemed convinced that she was away from harm that I thought they would pull a twist engineered by Cersei to have her publicly murdered so as exploit his weakness and destroy her brother. I'm glad I was wrong. I'm no big fan of the Shae character (a bit too whiney), but I did not want Cersi/Joffery to be able to get away with that cruelty and devastate Tyrion. I'm the glad the writing is too slick for that kind of obvious plot twist. Shae and Margery are my least favorite characters on the show, so I would have loved this! Can't stand either actress.

I get not liking Shae, she is a whiner and she's basically a reminder of/spotlight on the weakest aspects of Tyrion's personality. I like the Tyrell women though, a lot more than the Tyrell men. Mace is a patsy social climber and Loras proves teens, even those in alternate fantasy worlds, are pouty and angst ridden. Margaery is smart though, and she has a nasty mentor in Ollena. Doesn't hurt that she's gorgeous, either.

She's clever without being completely despicable like Cersei.

and not the wine. Would make more sense to put something in the pie. Logistics would have been much easier.

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as he was already spitting some of it up during the dwarf farce. Fun to finally see the bastard bite it.

In comment 11619877 Nitro said:

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Well, if it was the wine, everybody at that table drinking from that carafe would be dying.

Not everybody would get the first bite of wedding pie.

for one the poison could be placed out of sight and not tried to be slipped in front of an entire reception. That's risky, but not impossible. 2.) pretty much guarantees Joffrey eats it first. (Maybe Margery does too / they feed each other)

I'm thinking showing Tyrion picking up the goblet might have been some misdirection.

for the same reason TTH stated - the king is almost certainly getting that first bite of pie, but you never know who's drinking from the wine.

i'm not sure if Tywin was mentioned in this thread, and thus, i don't know if he qualifies for the "one of you got it correct" reveal thereafter, but my guess is Tywin.

he's ruthless and he wants to stay in power. Joffrey mouthed off to him at the end of last season and he was none too pleased about that. now Joffrey is basically out of control, embarrassing the family. by killing Joffrey, Tywin gets the crown to pass to Tommen, who is like 7, which ostensibly makes Tywin king until Tommen comes of age, and returns Cersei to Queen Regent. it also consolidates power with the Lannisters, rather than sharing it with the Tyrells.

and poor Margaery is 0 for 2 on king husbands.

all speculation, of course. i read only the first book and then decided that i like the show much better.

was it Tywin's idea to marry Joffrey and Margaery?

ah, fuck me.

Anybody notice Little Renley getting butt blasted?

i don't think it was her and i have two main reasons:

1) she's an amoral witch, but i think she draws the line at her own children. i remember her reaction when myrcella left for dorne. i don't think she'd kill her own son for any reason.

2) she was working on the Shae angle at the time of the murder and her instinct was to blame Tyrion when Joffrey fell. so, my reasoning is as follows: if Cersei was planning to kill Joffrey and frame Tyrion for the murder, she wouldn't give a fuck about Shae.

to get blasted was quite intentional, hence Loras storming off in anger. He got a good zinger in on Jaime though, with the neither will you comment.

opening scene showing Theon/Reek right to Jamie and Tyrion eating sausage? I have to admit that I laughed when I saw that!

not that characters. Shae is just awful. Her accent + her immense amount of lines throughout the past 2 seasons is criminal.

The actress that plays Margery does an adequate job (doesn't hold a candle to the actual book character), but she just bothers me as an actress.

was put into Joffrey's cup (the gift from Mace Tyrell), not into the wine.

Whodunit ? Call CSI.

but are you sure he drank from the same cup that he received as a gift? i definitely didn't catch that.

oh, and him hacking up the book Tyrion gave him with the sword was nuts. great way to go out for that character. bad to the bone to the very end.

members of the couple to drink from, so that is unlikely as a target. The goblet he was drinking from at the feast was a different, more normal sized one.

so that must mean it was the fork!