Does anybody have any idea why this guy is being projected anywhere from 12-18?
I didn't see a lot of Pitt throughout the season, but I watched 4-5 of his highlights and lowlights this pass weekend and all I could say was wow. He was unbelievable at pass rushing, very good at the stopping the run.
I know people are scared off by him only weighing 285, but I'm sure in an NFL weight training program he could put on 15 pounds and I don't think it would hurt his speed. The way he gets into the backfield is Warren Sapp-esque. Why is he not being projected top 5 or 6? I was ok with drafting him with the little bit I saw, but after watching a ton of him this weekend I would absolutely love him at 12. He is right up there with Ebron for me.
This year, the best guard (a desperate need of the Giants) is UCLA's Su'a Filo, who will go in the 1st round, but not that high. That's why I recommended a trade down to the middle of the draft. If he's gone, Stanford's Yankey would be good.
Actually, Zack Martin is the best OG. I mean people say he can be a Pro-Bowl OG
I'm glad. If not for those "flaws", he'd be the first non-QB taken, probably just before Clowney.
Why do someone need to come up with "knocks" on Donald in order to support not picking him?
Is it at all possible that there are impactful, talented players at other positions not named Aaron Donald that could be available at #12?
If he's THAT good, then you have the perfect storm - top of the draft player in a position of desperate need.
I think the last time that happened for the Giants - was '98. Ernie took the BPA (in his mind) over Alan Faneca (when the Giants needed a guard desperately).
Can we get a quota on the amount of threads we get a minute/hour/day for this guy?
Is it at all possible that there are impactful, talented players at other positions not named Aaron Donald that could be available at #12?
Sure. But why would you want to settle for a lesser player?
As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come. I'm praying that the Boys don't land him, because even with an improved interior OL Eli could be running for his life with Donald playing against us.
As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
Cowboys might but I can also see da Bears jumping in front too.
it's a combination of the tape...the combine results...and Donald's play at the Senior bowl is what makes him a potential special player....
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As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
Cowboys might but I can also see da Bears jumping in front too.
Bears or Cowboys could trade up. But you haven't heard a peep frim the Gmen on Donald yet. Doeant mean that they dont have better intel than we the fans do but if rhe Giants are interested they are keeping it close to the vest.
Do you do another one spot trade up with the Titans like we did a few years back? Lol. It cost us a fourth for Shockey. Could Detroit move back and take Dennard? Alot of fascinating scenarios.
Gotta hope Barr , 1 of the Cbs , and hopefully at least 2 Qbs go. Add in 2OTs plus Mack, Watkins, Clowney, Evans, Lewan. I think Barr goes as DEs are a craze and he racked up sacks from almost day 1 even while learning a new position
Bears or Cowboys could trade up. But you haven't heard a peep frim the Gmen on Donald yet. Doeant mean that they dont have better intel than we the fans do but if rhe Giants are interested they are keeping it close to the vest.
Do you do another one spot trade up with the Titans like we did a few years back? Lol. It cost us a fourth for Shockey. Could Detroit move back and take Dennard? Alot of fascinating scenarios.
Gotta hope Barr , 1 of the Cbs , and hopefully at least 2 Qbs go. Add in 2OTs plus Mack, Watkins, Clowney, Evans, Lewan. I think Barr goes as DEs are a craze and he racked up sacks from almost day 1 even while learning a new position
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As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
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As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
Cowboys might but I can also see da Bears jumping in front too.
Bears or Cowboys could trade up. But you haven't heard a peep frim the Gmen on Donald yet. Doeant mean that they dont have better intel than we the fans do but if rhe Giants are interested they are keeping it close to the vest.
Do you do another one spot trade up with the Titans like we did a few years back? Lol. It cost us a fourth for Shockey. Could Detroit move back and take Dennard? Alot of fascinating scenarios.
Gotta hope Barr , 1 of the Cbs , and hopefully at least 2 Qbs go. Add in 2OTs plus Mack, Watkins, Clowney, Evans, Lewan. I think Barr goes as DEs are a craze and he racked up sacks from almost day 1 even while learning a new position
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As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
Cowboys might but I can also see da Bears jumping in front too.
Bears or Cowboys could trade up. But you haven't heard a peep frim the Gmen on Donald yet. Doeant mean that they dont have better intel than we the fans do but if rhe Giants are interested they are keeping it close to the vest.
Do you do another one spot trade up with the Titans like we did a few years back? Lol. It cost us a fourth for Shockey. Could Detroit move back and take Dennard? Alot of fascinating scenarios.
Gotta hope Barr , 1 of the Cbs , and hopefully at least 2 Qbs go. Add in 2OTs plus Mack, Watkins, Clowney, Evans, Lewan. I think Barr goes as DEs are a craze and he racked up sacks from almost day 1 even while learning a new position
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As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
Cowboys might but I can also see da Bears jumping in front too.
Bears or Cowboys could trade up. But you haven't heard a peep frim the Gmen on Donald yet. Doeant mean that they dont have better intel than we the fans do but if rhe Giants are interested they are keeping it close to the vest.
Do you do another one spot trade up with the Titans like we did a few years back? Lol. It cost us a fourth for Shockey. Could Detroit move back and take Dennard? Alot of fascinating scenarios.
Gotta hope Barr , 1 of the Cbs , and hopefully at least 2 Qbs go. Add in 2OTs plus Mack, Watkins, Clowney, Evans, Lewan. I think Barr goes as DEs are a craze and he racked up sacks from almost day 1 even while learning a new position
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As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
Cowboys might but I can also see da Bears jumping in front too.
Bears or Cowboys could trade up. But you haven't heard a peep frim the Gmen on Donald yet. Doeant mean that they dont have better intel than we the fans do but if rhe Giants are interested they are keeping it close to the vest.
Do you do another one spot trade up with the Titans like we did a few years back? Lol. It cost us a fourth for Shockey. Could Detroit move back and take Dennard? Alot of fascinating scenarios.
Gotta hope Barr , 1 of the Cbs , and hopefully at least 2 Qbs go. Add in 2OTs plus Mack, Watkins, Clowney, Evans, Lewan. I think Barr goes as DEs are a craze and he racked up sacks from almost day 1 even while learning a new position
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As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
Cowboys might but I can also see da Bears jumping in front too.
Bears or Cowboys could trade up. But you haven't heard a peep frim the Gmen on Donald yet. Doeant mean that they dont have better intel than we the fans do but if rhe Giants are interested they are keeping it close to the vest.
Do you do another one spot trade up with the Titans like we did a few years back? Lol. It cost us a fourth for Shockey. Could Detroit move back and take Dennard? Alot of fascinating scenarios.
Gotta hope Barr , 1 of the Cbs , and hopefully at least 2 Qbs go. Add in 2OTs plus Mack, Watkins, Clowney, Evans, Lewan. I think Barr goes as DEs are a craze and he racked up sacks from almost day 1 even while learning a new position
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As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
Cowboys might but I can also see da Bears jumping in front too.
Bears or Cowboys could trade up. But you haven't heard a peep frim the Gmen on Donald yet. Doeant mean that they dont have better intel than we the fans do but if rhe Giants are interested they are keeping it close to the vest.
Do you do another one spot trade up with the Titans like we did a few years back? Lol. It cost us a fourth for Shockey. Could Detroit move back and take Dennard? Alot of fascinating scenarios.
Gotta hope Barr , 1 of the Cbs , and hopefully at least 2 Qbs go. Add in 2OTs plus Mack, Watkins, Clowney, Evans, Lewan. I think Barr goes as DEs are a craze and he racked up sacks from almost day 1 even while learning a new position
Blue you pick BPA. Donald will likely be glaring BPA.
it's a combination of the tape...the combine results...and Donald's play at the Senior bowl is what makes him a potential special player....
I have seen the tapes and Donald looks really good, no question about it. And if he is the pick I am good with it.
Right up until the point the Offense comes back on the field and goes nowhere...
Of all the arguments against drafting Donald, this is the one that baffles me the most.
People act like it's shopping for clothes. I am going to pick up an Aaron Donald in the first, loop back around draft a good OL, then come get myself a WR, followed by a great TE and bada bing bada boom, SB!
Judging our drafts since Ross came aboard, we have swing and missed a lot in the draft. Not only that we have a big time sense of urgency to make this a 1 year offensive project not a 2 or 3.
It could considering out 1st rounders do well for us. They do get hurt, but hopefully they help out. Do you not see the sense of urgency behind this year? Why not fire TC and trade eli? After all both have short term contracts. TC is on a 2 year deal, but that's because we don't let coaches go into a lame duck year. Eli has 2 years left.
Can we actually draft offensive players on a side which you know is broken? You want a damn DT?
Can't I say the exact same thing about Donald?
Tough not to take Donald if he's there at #12 even if a Lewan is there. No way I want a TE or WR.
Regardless, it seems to me that what you're saying is that the Giants are going to blow another draft - except for round one - so they might as well draft the best offensive player they can in the first round. That's a hell of a strategy.
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So, that one offensive player drafted in the 1st round is going to make all the difference? We might as well bag the rest of the draft?
Can't I say the exact same thing about Donald?
You can, but it still wouldn't make any sense. The draft is about more than the first round, and more than about this year.
If they must fix the offense now, and they have a history of missing in the later rounds, its seems incredibly risky to invest the only pick they seem to consistently hit on defense and then look for offense players in the rounds the FO has struggled at where you are going to be less likely to find a guy who can contribute in year 1
It does, however, our defense isn't the one broken. Our offense is broken. If our defense plays godly, and our offense sucks the massive changes to the team still occur.
For years? It depends on if people think AD will be good for not at this system. That's another debate too.
Well they could still blow round 1. We have showed our ability to do well, but I still worry about Ross.
No, we want an offensive talent because it's our offense that's broken. Our franchise QB's contract hasn't been re-worked because we are not sure if we want to re-invest in him. The coaches aren't here long term either. 2 year deal.
AR, Wilson, and RR are on 2 year deals. MM and JJ 1 year deas. Everyone else at TE, 1 year deals.
We are on the cusp of massive change. I am saying let's get a kick in the ass and show a sense of urgency in fixing this . Unless we want a new HC and new QB, which is fine. Wasting time with a damn Dt, is useless in my opinion.
Like I mentioned we are on the cusp of massive changes. If OL, or WR/TE are there I would draft them. Plus, if Donald is as good as his cult followers think, he probably is long gone by the time we pick. Let's keep our fingers crossed for that.
As I have said before, I like Aaron Donald a lot but I would only pull that trigger if the O-line was much more stable...and it is not.
But trends do not always continue. For example, our trend just a few years back was that the second round was where we found incredible talent, and some of our best players (Toomer, Strahan, Tiki) were found in the second round of the draft while first rounders those same years (Jones, nobody, Hilliard). This can be seen more recently in TThomas>KPhillips, SSmith>ARoss, Webster>nobody, Osi>WilliamJoseph. You might argue that Phillips was a better pick, but someone else might argue that to date Linval Joseph was a better pick than JPP, given JPP's performance over the last couple of years, and that Randle was a better pick than Wilson.
In fact, the idea that the second round is a bad spot for the Giants is based on three bad picks - Austin, Sintim, and Moss. All three of these guys spent significant amount of time injured. The rest of the second round picks going back 10 years are:
13-Hankins
12-Randle
10-Linval Joseph
09-Beatty
08-Thomas
07-Steve Smith
05-Webster
04-Snee
03-Osi
It's kind of hard to make the case that the Giants history is to not be able to pick after the first round with that kind of history. Of course, if you want to be selective (which I see you do) and limit it to only the years that Ross was directing the scouting(08-13), your score is still 3 good picks(Thomas, Beatty, Joseph), 2 bad ones (Sintim, Austin - both players significant time lost to injury), and 2 the jury is still out on, but have already shown promise (Randle, Hankins).
Hardly a track record of total incompetence either way.
It just makes your argument that it's first round or nothing for the offense kind of weak.
Hey, if the Giants have an offensive player they love, I'll respect their decision. I just want who they feel is the best guy left out there at #12 and don't care if he's on O or D.
Anybody think the Lions will want him?
Anybody think the Lions will want him?
Their need at CB is much higher and I would think they are hoping for Fairley (who is also making a pretty penny along with Suh) to emerge this year. Too many dollars tied just to DT if they go Donald I would think as well.
They are also in love with Evans supposedly.
Outside pass rushers are neutralized by these offenses to an extent because they have to hold the edge and account for the the QB.
However, a guy like Donald is Kryptonite to this scheme.
He will get after it against heavy guards and centers who can't move and he can out leverage the smaller, more nimble guards with his lower height and resulting center of gravity. His arms are actually normal sized as well so if anything his height is kind of an advantage as long as you don't care about pass defenses which he will rarely if ever provide.
He's Geno Atkins with longer arms and much more college production and a faster 40. Of course Geno went in the third I think. Donald should send Geno a nice Easter basket for rep'n the swift DTs and putting him in the top of the first.
12 DT AARON DONALD PITTSBURGH
43 G XAVIER SU’A-FILO UCLA
74 C WESTON RICHBURG COLORADO STATE
113 DE BRENT URBAN VIRGINIA
152 ILB JORDAN ZUMWALT UCLA
174 WR KEVIN NORWOOD ALABAMA
187 TE COLT LYERLA OREGON