Does anybody have any idea why this guy is being projected anywhere from 12-18?
I didn't see a lot of Pitt throughout the season, but I watched 4-5 of his highlights and lowlights this pass weekend and all I could say was wow. He was unbelievable at pass rushing, very good at the stopping the run.
I know people are scared off by him only weighing 285, but I'm sure in an NFL weight training program he could put on 15 pounds and I don't think it would hurt his speed. The way he gets into the backfield is Warren Sapp-esque. Why is he not being projected top 5 or 6? I was ok with drafting him with the little bit I saw, but after watching a ton of him this weekend I would absolutely love him at 12. He is right up there with Ebron for me.
He won just about every defensive award out there for 2013. He can push back guys that have him by 50 lbs. His leverage is crazy good. He's the fastest DT ever clocked in the combine. Great at pass rush and running plays.
He's a student of the game and far from a 1 trick pony. IMO, he's a little better than Clowney and if he was 2" taller & 10 lbs heaver, he'd be the #1 pick in the draft.
He won just about every defensive award out there for 2013. He can push back guys that have him by 50 lbs. His leverage is crazy good. He's the fastest DT ever clocked in the combine. Great at pass rush and running plays.
He's a student of the game and far from a 1 trick pony. IMO, he's a little better than Clowney and if he was 2" taller & 10 lbs heaver, he'd be the #1 pick in the draft.
Bingo. He is going to be a huge GM IQ test. We have to hope the teams picking before us get caught up in his lack of height. Because aside from that he has the most eye popping combination or prodection combine and character or anyone in this draft.
As Boylehart tabbed him this guy is a category 4 hurricane. I love the anaology. He is all over the place and that is even more impressive for a DT than perhaps any other position on defense.
One of my favorite targets for the Giants in round 1 of the draft the last decade.
He'd be a top 5 pick if he wasn't so small, but because he is, he could be engulfed by bigger, stronger OGs and could be a liability against the run.
It's a shame though. He's an easy kid to root for and I'm sure he's going to have a hell of an NFL career
I don't know what you mean by that. He impressed at the Combine and at his Pro Day. There's nothing he could do from here until the draft that will improve his draft stock.
I don't know what you mean by that. He impressed at the Combine and at his Pro Day. There's nothing he could do from here until the draft that will improve his draft stock.
I was being facetious. So far during his career his weight has not been an issue. If he finds he needs to add 10-15 pounds to be great in the NFL, he'd do it. His dedication is terrific.
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I don't know what you mean by that. He impressed at the Combine and at his Pro Day. There's nothing he could do from here until the draft that will improve his draft stock.
I was being facetious. So far during his career his weight has not been an issue. If he finds he needs to add 10-15 pounds to be great in the NFL, he'd do it. His dedication is terrific.
Ah, sorry. Didn't pick up on it
Yeah, he's certainly a guy you want on your team from an intangibles standpoint
Also Pro Bowlers Henry Melton and Kyle Williams were similar size coming out of college.
I'm just hoping that the rankings that these draft "experts" have on him are similar to what NFL teams have on him. I unfortunately think he is gonna go a lot higher then the draft sites have him ranked right now. With a guy that was dominate his whole college career then the Senior Bowl & combine being ranked so low by NFL teams, because of 10-15 pounds.
How many of his highlights are vs double teams!
Crazy shit on that tape.
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Was just reading NFL.com scouting report of Hankins and it said he was a potential top 12 pick. If he can live up to the hype that he got last season and then have Donald next to him. Could be real bad for opposing QBs and RBs.
He'd be likely better than all the guys we tried to do this with except for maybe an in the prime Tuck. Who was only about 270 lbs playing the hybrid DE/DT position (and doing it quite well).
I'll be a heckuva lot less upset we lost Linval Joseph if we can grab this kid.
The Giants aren't giving up on a guy that they just paid 37.5 million dollars a little over a year ago. Also just drafted a RT. Which leaves interior lineman. We signed Schwartz who had a very good season last year and Walton who we paid good money and people think will be the starter. There are no interior lineman worth the 12th pick in this draft. I think we go for a G in the 2nd or 3rd.
I love how if we go non-OL at 12 some here blindly assume Eli is going to automatically be playing behind a crap line.
1. We have added alot of OL pieces this offseason
2.We can get an VERY VERY GOOD (likely immediate or almost immediate starter at 43)
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Immediate means a guy capable of starting and playing adequately or better . Doesn't mean he has to start but that he can do it if necessary at a decent level. Similar to Pugh, David Diehl ,Chris Snee all year one starters who played quite well.
That's only if Snee is cooked and we need him to start.
just sayin'...
It'd be pretty funny
But Donald looks like an impact player. The JPP of DTs!
I am a "fix the OL" guy all the way, been bitchin about not drafting OL high enough for years, but I give a pass for Lewan and Martin to grab Donald. He'll prolly be gone though...
just sayin'...
Well Googs we needed 2- 4 guys (depending on status of Beatty and Snee). We got 2 starters in the offseason in Schwartz, Walton (we paid him starter money with the belief he should fully recover from the ankle injury) with a couple backup/borderline starters in Jerry and Brown.
Is that enough? Don't even think Reese knows what to expect from Beatty/Snee. Therefore I think we WILL go OL in the first 2 rounds, latest third round.
But Donald looks like an impact player. The JPP of DTs!
I am a "fix the OL" guy all the way, been bitchin about not drafting OL high enough for years, but I give a pass for Lewan and Martin to grab Donald. He'll prolly be gone though...
Agreed. The other thing with Donald in addition to everything else, is he plays with that proverbial 'chip' on his shoulder. He has a non-stop motor. His desire to succeed is through the roof.
This kid has heard the non-stop comments about whether he is big enough /good enough to play DT. He really looks like he is on a mission to prove all the doubters wrong!
Imagine Moore starts to play well as does Hankins.
Imagine JPP wasn't kidding and was back to his old self.
No QB in the league would stand a chance. The opponent would have no choice but to run it on almost every play.
DRC and Prince could take the game off.
Suh is a bit of a headcase and on off with the motor. And he STILL has been a darned good player and disruptor at DT in the NFL.
Also ut can be argued that Donald had an even more impressive college career than Suh did.
Imagine Moore starts to play well as does Hankins.
Imagine JPP wasn't kidding and was back to his old self.
No QB in the league would stand a chance. The opponent would have no choice but to run it on almost every play.
DRC and Prince could take the game off.
Unless JR philosophical approach to Dline has changed he has been quoted saying we want to bring players in at waves at the Qb. Also weve heard the you can never have too many pass rushers mantra from this organization. We just lost Linjo and Tuck. Donald is probably the best pass rusher in this draft unless you believe Clowney will still have desire after a big contract. Barr who is close , but I question a 4-3 fit.
maybe not, but I think it sounds silly when you try and compare him (Donald) to a guy (Randy White) who played 3 decades ago and was/is 3 inches taller.
I also hope that Donald ends up being as advertised in the NFL if we draft him. But, that does not change the FACT his height/weight combination at the DT position in the last 15 years has only produced one like player (John Randle).
One of the main reasons for that is the wear and tear on DT's in the NFL. Not many other positions require you to hold and press against 600+lbs of man (double teams) on a consistent bases.
I am very excited about what I see in Donald but it doesn't stop me from being skeptical.
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anybody is a SURE THING at pick 12 but carry on!
maybe not, but I think it sounds silly when you try and compare him (Donald) to a guy (Randy White) who played 3 decades ago and was/is 3 inches taller.
I also hope that Donald ends up being as advertised in the NFL if we draft him. But, that does not change the FACT his height/weight combination at the DT position in the last 15 years has only produced one like player (John Randle).
One of the main reasons for that is the wear and tear on DT's in the NFL. Not many other positions require you to hold and press against 600+lbs of man (double teams) on a consistent bases.
I am very excited about what I see in Donald but it doesn't stop me from being skeptical.
Geno Atkins and Warren Sapp were close coming out of college.
Also its fine to be cautious but the production and every measurable is just too damn good to worry so much about the height.
Frankly I don't recall White being that tall either, but he was way way way abnormally fast for a DT or even a DE.
That too is the case with Donald.
Whether Donald will be anywhere near as good as Randy White, who knows? But plenty of people back then though White was too small to play DL in the NFL, even the team that drafted him tried to move him to LB initially.
In comparison to that HOFers Michael Strahan & Warren Sapp were both 1st team All Pro 4 times and a 2nd team All Pro 2 times. So Suh has 1 less 1st & 2nd All Pro then Strahan & Sapp who were in the league for 14 years & 12 years compared to Suh's 4 years of experience.
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Neverthless, my point was actually that if a rookie OL taken at #43 can start immediately on our line then we probably didn't pick up a whole lot of valuable guys in free agency.
just sayin'...
Well Googs we needed 2- 4 guys (depending on status of Beatty and Snee). We got 2 starters in the offseason in Schwartz, Walton (we paid him starter money with the belief he should fully recover from the ankle injury) with a couple backup/borderline starters in Jerry and Brown.
Is that enough? Don't even think Reese knows what to expect from Beatty/Snee. Therefore I think we WILL go OL in the first 2 rounds, latest third round.
Yeah i agree we paid Walton starter money so we all better hope that works out. Anybody relying on Snee to contribute is making a mistake. I hope he does but that is as far as a sensible person should go.
My realistic view is we got Schwartz and improved our bench which is helpful but still not stable. Especially since Snee is done after this year anyway and we have no reliable TEs to help the line.
Keep investing in the line imo. I like Donald a lot too but the smart short/long term play is O-line.
Statistically Suh was nowhere near Donald in college.
Suh 125 total tackles, 49.5 tackles for loss and 24 sacks in 52 games
Donald 181 total tackles, 66 tackles for loss and 29.5 sacks in 51 games
If Lewan was a "blue chip" tackle like some on here seem to think he wouldn't be around at 12. Blue chip LTs go a lot higher then that. From 2004 to 2013 there were 11 Tackles taken between picks 10-20. Only 3 of them turned out to be good NFL players. Shawn Andrews was the 4th, but that was at G and not at tackle.
Go look at our Oline's from like 2006,07,08 when they were one of the best units in the league. We didn't have a first rounder. We had Snee (2nd) and McKenzie (2nd, but we signed him as a FA, Diehl (5th), O'Hara (UDFA) and Shubert (UDFA).
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I didn't say go run off and draft a Center with #12. I don't have a problem with a LT or Guard though. I never understood the logic of getting so caught up on individual player value that anyone can be so certain a Donald is worth a #12 pick but a near top end LT or Guard is not.
BTW - on you point above...are you suggesting only 3 Tackles taken after the #10 pick for an entire DECADE were any good? If so, you are crazy.
I'd take him, but think it will be moot, because he'll most likely be gone by #12.
He was one of the best players on a few excellent defenses and i'd definitely sign for Donald if he's as good as Harris was. Only odd thing about Harris was that he seemed to fizzle out pretty young (he's only 30 now and it seems he's not more than a rotational guy, but I guess that's the NFL).
No I said Tackles taken from pick 10-20 have been bad from 04-13. Here are the successful 3 out of 11. Ryan Clady, Anthony Davis and Brandon Albert. That means teams hit on Tackles less then 30% of the times with picks 10-20. That isn't very good for such high picks.
Obviously you can get lucky with a later pick. I was just stating that people are calling Lewan a blue chip tackle and that blue chip tackles go much higher then 12 overall.
No player is a sure thing. I just don't see the value at 12 in a Guard, Center or Tackle in this draft. Unless it is Matthews or Robinson.
I don't think Guards are ever worth the 12th pick. Outside of last year the NFL seems to agree with me, because they are rarely drafted that high.
And I don't think picking a LT or Guard at #12 means Beatty should just be automatically benched or Pugh should be moved. I just believe getting more quality & youth at those positions will make this a more stable Offense next year and thereafter.
Competition always helps, injuries can occur anywhere, and who the hell knows how the rehab will come out on Beatty, Walton and Snee. Any one of them not making it can leave us with a big hole.
Like I said Guards rarely go that high. Since 1990 only 5 guards have went in the top 15 picks. I'm sure there are some tackles drafted in that time span moved to Guard, but you certainly don't want a guy drafted in the top 15 with the intention of playing Tackle winding up at Guard.
We ignored the O-line enough our premium picks in the past decade that it very well may be time to "indulge" ourselves this Draft to make up for it. No player is so bullet-proof that you can;t consider the next 5 or so guys on your board.
Rick - i am not conveying to you that I am an expert on the top players in this draft and the exact spot they should be drafted. But my overwhelming view is that we all "hope" the O-line is better than last year, and I just don't want to rely on hope versus solid investments.
That's the guy I'd want. I think that's why the Giants took JPP a few years ago.
This year, the best guard (a desperate need of the Giants) is UCLA's Su'a Filo, who will go in the 1st round, but not that high. That's why I recommended a trade down to the middle of the draft. If he's gone, Stanford's Yankey would be good.
This year, the best guard (a desperate need of the Giants) is UCLA's Su'a Filo, who will go in the 1st round, but not that high. That's why I recommended a trade down to the middle of the draft. If he's gone, Stanford's Yankey would be good.
Actually, Zack Martin is the best OG. I mean people say he can be a Pro-Bowl OG
I'm glad. If not for those "flaws", he'd be the first non-QB taken, probably just before Clowney.
Why do someone need to come up with "knocks" on Donald in order to support not picking him?
Is it at all possible that there are impactful, talented players at other positions not named Aaron Donald that could be available at #12?
If he's THAT good, then you have the perfect storm - top of the draft player in a position of desperate need.
I think the last time that happened for the Giants - was '98. Ernie took the BPA (in his mind) over Alan Faneca (when the Giants needed a guard desperately).
Can we get a quota on the amount of threads we get a minute/hour/day for this guy?
Is it at all possible that there are impactful, talented players at other positions not named Aaron Donald that could be available at #12?
Sure. But why would you want to settle for a lesser player?
As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come. I'm praying that the Boys don't land him, because even with an improved interior OL Eli could be running for his life with Donald playing against us.
As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
Cowboys might but I can also see da Bears jumping in front too.
it's a combination of the tape...the combine results...and Donald's play at the Senior bowl is what makes him a potential special player....
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As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
Cowboys might but I can also see da Bears jumping in front too.
Bears or Cowboys could trade up. But you haven't heard a peep frim the Gmen on Donald yet. Doeant mean that they dont have better intel than we the fans do but if rhe Giants are interested they are keeping it close to the vest.
Do you do another one spot trade up with the Titans like we did a few years back? Lol. It cost us a fourth for Shockey. Could Detroit move back and take Dennard? Alot of fascinating scenarios.
Gotta hope Barr , 1 of the Cbs , and hopefully at least 2 Qbs go. Add in 2OTs plus Mack, Watkins, Clowney, Evans, Lewan. I think Barr goes as DEs are a craze and he racked up sacks from almost day 1 even while learning a new position
Bears or Cowboys could trade up. But you haven't heard a peep frim the Gmen on Donald yet. Doeant mean that they dont have better intel than we the fans do but if rhe Giants are interested they are keeping it close to the vest.
Do you do another one spot trade up with the Titans like we did a few years back? Lol. It cost us a fourth for Shockey. Could Detroit move back and take Dennard? Alot of fascinating scenarios.
Gotta hope Barr , 1 of the Cbs , and hopefully at least 2 Qbs go. Add in 2OTs plus Mack, Watkins, Clowney, Evans, Lewan. I think Barr goes as DEs are a craze and he racked up sacks from almost day 1 even while learning a new position
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As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
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As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
Cowboys might but I can also see da Bears jumping in front too.
Bears or Cowboys could trade up. But you haven't heard a peep frim the Gmen on Donald yet. Doeant mean that they dont have better intel than we the fans do but if rhe Giants are interested they are keeping it close to the vest.
Do you do another one spot trade up with the Titans like we did a few years back? Lol. It cost us a fourth for Shockey. Could Detroit move back and take Dennard? Alot of fascinating scenarios.
Gotta hope Barr , 1 of the Cbs , and hopefully at least 2 Qbs go. Add in 2OTs plus Mack, Watkins, Clowney, Evans, Lewan. I think Barr goes as DEs are a craze and he racked up sacks from almost day 1 even while learning a new position
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As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
Cowboys might but I can also see da Bears jumping in front too.
Bears or Cowboys could trade up. But you haven't heard a peep frim the Gmen on Donald yet. Doeant mean that they dont have better intel than we the fans do but if rhe Giants are interested they are keeping it close to the vest.
Do you do another one spot trade up with the Titans like we did a few years back? Lol. It cost us a fourth for Shockey. Could Detroit move back and take Dennard? Alot of fascinating scenarios.
Gotta hope Barr , 1 of the Cbs , and hopefully at least 2 Qbs go. Add in 2OTs plus Mack, Watkins, Clowney, Evans, Lewan. I think Barr goes as DEs are a craze and he racked up sacks from almost day 1 even while learning a new position
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As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
Cowboys might but I can also see da Bears jumping in front too.
Bears or Cowboys could trade up. But you haven't heard a peep frim the Gmen on Donald yet. Doeant mean that they dont have better intel than we the fans do but if rhe Giants are interested they are keeping it close to the vest.
Do you do another one spot trade up with the Titans like we did a few years back? Lol. It cost us a fourth for Shockey. Could Detroit move back and take Dennard? Alot of fascinating scenarios.
Gotta hope Barr , 1 of the Cbs , and hopefully at least 2 Qbs go. Add in 2OTs plus Mack, Watkins, Clowney, Evans, Lewan. I think Barr goes as DEs are a craze and he racked up sacks from almost day 1 even while learning a new position
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As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
Cowboys might but I can also see da Bears jumping in front too.
Bears or Cowboys could trade up. But you haven't heard a peep frim the Gmen on Donald yet. Doeant mean that they dont have better intel than we the fans do but if rhe Giants are interested they are keeping it close to the vest.
Do you do another one spot trade up with the Titans like we did a few years back? Lol. It cost us a fourth for Shockey. Could Detroit move back and take Dennard? Alot of fascinating scenarios.
Gotta hope Barr , 1 of the Cbs , and hopefully at least 2 Qbs go. Add in 2OTs plus Mack, Watkins, Clowney, Evans, Lewan. I think Barr goes as DEs are a craze and he racked up sacks from almost day 1 even while learning a new position
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As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
Cowboys might but I can also see da Bears jumping in front too.
Bears or Cowboys could trade up. But you haven't heard a peep frim the Gmen on Donald yet. Doeant mean that they dont have better intel than we the fans do but if rhe Giants are interested they are keeping it close to the vest.
Do you do another one spot trade up with the Titans like we did a few years back? Lol. It cost us a fourth for Shockey. Could Detroit move back and take Dennard? Alot of fascinating scenarios.
Gotta hope Barr , 1 of the Cbs , and hopefully at least 2 Qbs go. Add in 2OTs plus Mack, Watkins, Clowney, Evans, Lewan. I think Barr goes as DEs are a craze and he racked up sacks from almost day 1 even while learning a new position
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As for Donald, I'm actually worried that the Cowboys are going to trade up in front of us to nab him, and that he's gonna destroy us for years to come.
Cowboys might but I can also see da Bears jumping in front too.
Bears or Cowboys could trade up. But you haven't heard a peep frim the Gmen on Donald yet. Doeant mean that they dont have better intel than we the fans do but if rhe Giants are interested they are keeping it close to the vest.
Do you do another one spot trade up with the Titans like we did a few years back? Lol. It cost us a fourth for Shockey. Could Detroit move back and take Dennard? Alot of fascinating scenarios.
Gotta hope Barr , 1 of the Cbs , and hopefully at least 2 Qbs go. Add in 2OTs plus Mack, Watkins, Clowney, Evans, Lewan. I think Barr goes as DEs are a craze and he racked up sacks from almost day 1 even while learning a new position
Blue you pick BPA. Donald will likely be glaring BPA.
it's a combination of the tape...the combine results...and Donald's play at the Senior bowl is what makes him a potential special player....
I have seen the tapes and Donald looks really good, no question about it. And if he is the pick I am good with it.
Right up until the point the Offense comes back on the field and goes nowhere...
Of all the arguments against drafting Donald, this is the one that baffles me the most.
People act like it's shopping for clothes. I am going to pick up an Aaron Donald in the first, loop back around draft a good OL, then come get myself a WR, followed by a great TE and bada bing bada boom, SB!
Judging our drafts since Ross came aboard, we have swing and missed a lot in the draft. Not only that we have a big time sense of urgency to make this a 1 year offensive project not a 2 or 3.
It could considering out 1st rounders do well for us. They do get hurt, but hopefully they help out. Do you not see the sense of urgency behind this year? Why not fire TC and trade eli? After all both have short term contracts. TC is on a 2 year deal, but that's because we don't let coaches go into a lame duck year. Eli has 2 years left.
Can we actually draft offensive players on a side which you know is broken? You want a damn DT?
Can't I say the exact same thing about Donald?
Tough not to take Donald if he's there at #12 even if a Lewan is there. No way I want a TE or WR.
Regardless, it seems to me that what you're saying is that the Giants are going to blow another draft - except for round one - so they might as well draft the best offensive player they can in the first round. That's a hell of a strategy.
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So, that one offensive player drafted in the 1st round is going to make all the difference? We might as well bag the rest of the draft?
Can't I say the exact same thing about Donald?
You can, but it still wouldn't make any sense. The draft is about more than the first round, and more than about this year.
If they must fix the offense now, and they have a history of missing in the later rounds, its seems incredibly risky to invest the only pick they seem to consistently hit on defense and then look for offense players in the rounds the FO has struggled at where you are going to be less likely to find a guy who can contribute in year 1
It does, however, our defense isn't the one broken. Our offense is broken. If our defense plays godly, and our offense sucks the massive changes to the team still occur.
For years? It depends on if people think AD will be good for not at this system. That's another debate too.
Well they could still blow round 1. We have showed our ability to do well, but I still worry about Ross.
No, we want an offensive talent because it's our offense that's broken. Our franchise QB's contract hasn't been re-worked because we are not sure if we want to re-invest in him. The coaches aren't here long term either. 2 year deal.
AR, Wilson, and RR are on 2 year deals. MM and JJ 1 year deas. Everyone else at TE, 1 year deals.
We are on the cusp of massive change. I am saying let's get a kick in the ass and show a sense of urgency in fixing this . Unless we want a new HC and new QB, which is fine. Wasting time with a damn Dt, is useless in my opinion.
Like I mentioned we are on the cusp of massive changes. If OL, or WR/TE are there I would draft them. Plus, if Donald is as good as his cult followers think, he probably is long gone by the time we pick. Let's keep our fingers crossed for that.
As I have said before, I like Aaron Donald a lot but I would only pull that trigger if the O-line was much more stable...and it is not.
But trends do not always continue. For example, our trend just a few years back was that the second round was where we found incredible talent, and some of our best players (Toomer, Strahan, Tiki) were found in the second round of the draft while first rounders those same years (Jones, nobody, Hilliard). This can be seen more recently in TThomas>KPhillips, SSmith>ARoss, Webster>nobody, Osi>WilliamJoseph. You might argue that Phillips was a better pick, but someone else might argue that to date Linval Joseph was a better pick than JPP, given JPP's performance over the last couple of years, and that Randle was a better pick than Wilson.
In fact, the idea that the second round is a bad spot for the Giants is based on three bad picks - Austin, Sintim, and Moss. All three of these guys spent significant amount of time injured. The rest of the second round picks going back 10 years are:
13-Hankins
12-Randle
10-Linval Joseph
09-Beatty
08-Thomas
07-Steve Smith
05-Webster
04-Snee
03-Osi
It's kind of hard to make the case that the Giants history is to not be able to pick after the first round with that kind of history. Of course, if you want to be selective (which I see you do) and limit it to only the years that Ross was directing the scouting(08-13), your score is still 3 good picks(Thomas, Beatty, Joseph), 2 bad ones (Sintim, Austin - both players significant time lost to injury), and 2 the jury is still out on, but have already shown promise (Randle, Hankins).
Hardly a track record of total incompetence either way.
It just makes your argument that it's first round or nothing for the offense kind of weak.
Hey, if the Giants have an offensive player they love, I'll respect their decision. I just want who they feel is the best guy left out there at #12 and don't care if he's on O or D.
Anybody think the Lions will want him?
Anybody think the Lions will want him?
Their need at CB is much higher and I would think they are hoping for Fairley (who is also making a pretty penny along with Suh) to emerge this year. Too many dollars tied just to DT if they go Donald I would think as well.
They are also in love with Evans supposedly.
Outside pass rushers are neutralized by these offenses to an extent because they have to hold the edge and account for the the QB.
However, a guy like Donald is Kryptonite to this scheme.
He will get after it against heavy guards and centers who can't move and he can out leverage the smaller, more nimble guards with his lower height and resulting center of gravity. His arms are actually normal sized as well so if anything his height is kind of an advantage as long as you don't care about pass defenses which he will rarely if ever provide.
He's Geno Atkins with longer arms and much more college production and a faster 40. Of course Geno went in the third I think. Donald should send Geno a nice Easter basket for rep'n the swift DTs and putting him in the top of the first.
12 DT AARON DONALD PITTSBURGH
43 G XAVIER SU’A-FILO UCLA
74 C WESTON RICHBURG COLORADO STATE
113 DE BRENT URBAN VIRGINIA
152 ILB JORDAN ZUMWALT UCLA
174 WR KEVIN NORWOOD ALABAMA
187 TE COLT LYERLA OREGON