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BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/14/2014 1:08 pm
I have to say that the product has been very good over the past few weeks.

I think there will be an Ultimate Warrior tribute of some sort tonight since not everyone has the network.

I think with or without the Undertaker addressing the crowd tonight Sting may finally make his appearance(he started in the business with Warrior)

Looking forward to the revolution reunion angel.
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I despise John Cena  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 10:06 pm : link
He's such a lying, phony piece of dogshit
RE: I despise John Cena  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 10:06 pm : link
In comment 11620493 Anakim said:
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He's such a lying, phony piece of dogshit


yes we know Anakim. Let it go.
RE: I despise John Cena  
dep026 : 4/14/2014 10:07 pm : link
In comment 11620493 Anakim said:
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He's such a lying, phony piece of dogshit


Just like the Rock ;)

Roid freaks.
this is actually pretty funny  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 10:08 pm : link
.
um the russian beast  
Neverend : 4/14/2014 10:09 pm : link
reminds me of vvladmir kozlov. big Russian that does squash matches. Its whatever
How any adult male with a functioning brain can root for John Cena is  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 10:10 pm : link
one of the greater mysteries of the world
I like the Cena who does great things for Make A Wish  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 10:10 pm : link
.
RE: RE: Why  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 10:12 pm : link
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Is Eva Marie still under contract ? Waste of space



She's a key part of Total Divas, which is actually a moderate success for E!

WWE won't part with anyone that even has Z- list mainstream/pop culture presence.


She can't wrestle worth a shit, she's going to get one of the divas hurt sooner or later
Wyatt is fucking  
Adam XLII : 4/14/2014 10:12 pm : link
incredible on the mic, best since Rock
I can't believe Bray Wyatt in real life  
dpinzow : 4/14/2014 10:12 pm : link
is the son of the guy who played IRS, but he is...those characters are about as different as two characters can be
Cena is so lame  
illmatic : 4/14/2014 10:14 pm : link
just come out, smile at the camera and lol it up the whole time. awesome dewd.

This crowd is beyond terrible too.
That Cena promo is an example of what is wrong  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/14/2014 10:16 pm : link
with this company.
3 weeks  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 10:21 pm : link
Ago Cena was scared of Bray, now he's making fun of the Wyatts
RE: RE: to each his own  
Mr. Nickels : 4/14/2014 10:24 pm : link
In comment 11620395 Anakim said:
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but IMO Paige is hotter.



Oh she's definitely a hottie, but I like the Fox. Layla is probably #1 and interestingly enough. I'm pretty sure she's the oldest diva (not counting Vickie). Layla, Fox, AJ (although who knows what kinds of diseases she picked up from Punk), Lana, Summer Rae...



I just find Paige to be that adorably cute type of hot and that is my favorite type.
so I don't really watch wrestling  
islander1 : 4/14/2014 10:28 pm : link
but I had to look up this Rusev guy, saw his raw match. Holy shit, he looks like a slightly shorter version of Brock Lesnar.
RE: RE: RE: to each his own  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 10:30 pm : link
In comment 11620519 Mr. Nickels said:
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In comment 11620386 Jints in Carolina said:


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but IMO Paige is hotter.



Oh she's definitely a hottie, but I like the Fox. Layla is probably #1 and interestingly enough. I'm pretty sure she's the oldest diva (not counting Vickie). Layla, Fox, AJ (although who knows what kinds of diseases she picked up from Punk), Lana, Summer Rae...




I just find Paige to be that adorably cute type of hot and that is my favorite type.


Oh, I totally get it. I think Paige is a hottie also
This is the Raw  
moespree : 4/14/2014 10:37 pm : link
I know and don't love.

Two years in a row now, the post WM Raw is nothing but a cater job to the internet fanbase. Next week comes, bang, right back to normal. Boring, poorly booked, dead crowd, all around crap.
The  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 10:58 pm : link
Masks the Shield wear are sick
The  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 11:01 pm : link
Shield vs The Jobbers and Midcard scrubs
EVOLUTION!!!  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2014 11:07 pm : link
love this theme....
I hate  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/14/2014 11:20 pm : link
Cena. Shitty 9 year old crowd as well.
This Cena promo tonight is the worst fucking thing I can remember  
Kyle : 4/15/2014 12:02 am : link
since Triple H buried the roster in that walk-out shit.

Holy fuck. It's the gimmick destruction I mentioned weeks ago.

We're two weeks from IRS and Husky Harris references with John Cena's smug wink-nod.
RE: This is the Raw  
BigBlueinChicago : 4/15/2014 12:02 am : link
In comment 11620529 moespree said:
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I know and don't love.

Two years in a row now, the post WM Raw is nothing but a cater job to the internet fanbase. Next week comes, bang, right back to normal. Boring, poorly booked, dead crowd, all around crap.


Can't expect much from a crowd in Alabama. The show was booked as such.

We all know WWE books shows based on location. They made sure to bring it in Chicago, Brooklyn and the night after RAW extra or else the crowd would shit on the show.

Other places, they can get away with a "C level" show because the people in the crowd are just happy to have WWE in their town. In Birmingham, it's like the circus arriving.

The next two weeks they will be in Baltimore and St. Louis. Not a spot for hot crowds. I would expect more of the same booking you saw tonight before the PPV at Izod Center.
RE: .  
Mr. Nickels : 4/15/2014 12:16 am : link
In comment 11620483 Anakim said:
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Haahaha exactly like oblivious 8th grade girl music fan. I hope there are more of those where that came from
I am guessing  
Mr. Nickels : 4/15/2014 12:45 am : link
Evolution vs the Shield at Extreme Rules
RE: This Cena promo tonight is the worst fucking thing I can remember  
Anakim : 4/15/2014 1:15 am : link
In comment 11620586 Kyle said:
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since Triple H buried the roster in that walk-out shit.

Holy fuck. It's the gimmick destruction I mentioned weeks ago.

We're two weeks from IRS and Husky Harris references with John Cena's smug wink-nod.


Fuck the Prototype, his nickname should be Megadouche
RE: RE: This is the Raw  
dpinzow : 4/15/2014 2:36 am : link
In comment 11620587 BigBlueinChicago said:
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I know and don't love.

Two years in a row now, the post WM Raw is nothing but a cater job to the internet fanbase. Next week comes, bang, right back to normal. Boring, poorly booked, dead crowd, all around crap.



Can't expect much from a crowd in Alabama. The show was booked as such.

We all know WWE books shows based on location. They made sure to bring it in Chicago, Brooklyn and the night after RAW extra or else the crowd would shit on the show.

Other places, they can get away with a "C level" show because the people in the crowd are just happy to have WWE in their town. In Birmingham, it's like the circus arriving.

The next two weeks they will be in Baltimore and St. Louis. Not a spot for hot crowds. I would expect more of the same booking you saw tonight before the PPV at Izod Center.


Baltimore and STL could have decent wrestling crowds. STL has its smarks and a history of big matches and Baltimore is in the I-95 corridor
WWE also gave Bryan some time off  
dpinzow : 4/15/2014 2:40 am : link
to get married, so his absence would dampen the crowd's spirits a bit. Birmingham kind of liked Bray, I thought. Bray would do very well as an antihero down there because he's written as a crazy redneck
Best  
HakeemNicks : 4/15/2014 8:31 am : link
crowds are in NY and Chicago IMO (I'm sure I'm missing a few) but anywhere else its like a Disney atmosphere.
Kyle  
Wuphat : 4/15/2014 8:34 am : link
Completely agree on your point about Cena and Wyatt.

My post from the WMXXX thread right after Cena beat him.

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And the burial of Bray Wyatt
Wuphat : 4/6/2014 9:06 pm : link
begins

I expect Bray to win at Extreme Rules  
nygiants16 : 4/15/2014 9:17 am : link
and win the payoff at Summer Slam...they gave Cena his WM win to appease him so he will put over Wyatt...

RE: I expect Bray to win at Extreme Rules  
dep026 : 4/15/2014 9:20 am : link
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and win the payoff at Summer Slam...they gave Cena his WM win to appease him so he will put over Wyatt...


I dont see them doing 4 PPVs. I think Bray wins this time. Then hopefully after the next PPV, they feud with the Shield, causing the Shield to split so Reigns will get his push.
RE: RE: I expect Bray to win at Extreme Rules  
nygiants16 : 4/15/2014 9:24 am : link
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and win the payoff at Summer Slam...they gave Cena his WM win to appease him so he will put over Wyatt...




I dont see them doing 4 PPVs. I think Bray wins this time. Then hopefully after the next PPV, they feud with the Shield, causing the Shield to split so Reigns will get his push.


The SHield will be facing Evolution for awhile in my opinion...i think its going to be their big summmer angle...

everyone keeps prediction Ambrose and Rollins will turn on Reigns but i think its going to be opposite...I think HHH Batista and Orton try and recruit Reigns to be their 4th guy and the protege of the group..
Wuphat, it's the worst possible wrestling promo you can do  
Kyle : 4/15/2014 9:34 am : link
I made the point after Cena went on his Homeless Jimmy Buffet standup routine to Bray weeks before WM: it's fourth wall breaking gimmick destruction that makes his opponent look like shit and, more importantly, screams to the audience "HEY EVERYONE THIS IS FAKE WHO CARES WHAT HAPPENS!!!".



You can make silly jokes like Rock calling Big Show a 500 pound bag of monkey crap because that's not an insult that's illuminating out the falsity that is pro wrestling. Call Bray a fat false cult leader that no one should listen to because he sounds crazy. That keeps the gimmick alive and still achieves the "face insults heel" goal.

The only way to salvage the promo is to have Cena "lose his smile" after getting his shit wrecked by Bray, and stop making jokes and be sad, and that's not going to happen because Cena.
I agree with Kyle  
Sneakers O'toole : 4/15/2014 9:36 am : link
you have to maintain the idea of the character. If the character is a cult leader, the other wrestlers should treat him like a cult leader. That's one of the reasons I don't like the smarky crowds.
I would add that if Cena were such a goofball, he could make  
Kyle : 4/15/2014 9:37 am : link
these sorts of joke promos work in some small way.

But he's not menacing or condescending in his insults and there's no intensity. He's smiling and laughing and playing it up, presenting the material as if he's doing a Leno impersonation during open mic at Yuk Yuks, instead of insulting someone he wants to beat.
I don't diagaree  
moespree : 4/15/2014 10:06 am : link
Cena is probably the worst promo star ever in wrestling.

At least through his 45 "Brothers" Hogan would make the opponent legit. Same with Austin and Rock. Even the Mr. McMahon character while running down Austin on the mic would tell you it's because Austin is a threat to his company.

Cena is the same guy who called someone (I think it was Punk) a few years ago a "poopeyhead". What's really amazing is how well he hides it. Fact is Cena is not some head and shoulders above everyone on the midcard mic worker. In terms of mic work, in my opinion, he is on par with a lot of midcard guys who people commonly accept as poor mic workers. When he decides it's time to be "serious" it's either a low monotone voice or high pitched screaming. Rest of the time it's jokes. And whenever someone calls him out on that, he has to resort to breaking kayfabe and the 4th wall. Which he has done with Rock, Jericho, Punk, HHH, Lesnar, and now Wyatt.
The worst promo Cena ever did  
nygiants16 : 4/15/2014 10:10 am : link
was after the match with Lesnar he was supposed to be destroyed by Lesnar and not able to move...the plan for him was to be carried out of the ring so even though Lesnar lost still looks like a beast for destroying Cena...

Instead what does Cena do? he gets up like nothing happened and starts talking to the camera like nothing happened..it was a disgrace...

he is one of the worst sellers in WWE and one of the worst Story tellers...he is a cartoon character..
Kyle  
Wuphat : 4/15/2014 10:19 am : link
I'm with you.

Even though we all know that kayfabe is what it is, for the product to work, gimmicks ought to be treated as they were before the wall came down.

We know it's a story. They know we know it's a story, but they don't have to acknowledge that.

It'd be like Bruce Willis saying, "You're not a terrorist, Hans! You're just pretending to be one."
Exactly  
Sneakers O'toole : 4/15/2014 10:22 am : link
when I watch the walking dead I know those aren't real zombies. I don't want the characters around them to stop treating them as zombies.

Wrestling works best with the fourth wall intact. And that includes the idiots in the crowd for the most part.
Well  
BIG FRED : 4/15/2014 10:28 am : link
I have to admit I was a huge Cena mark in 2002-2003 when he was doing the whole battle rap gimmick and I met him at a jersey all pro anniversary show in 2003 and he was a real cool guy .he even battled some kid there ,that was before he became the star that he is .But within the last 2 years I fwdd his segment if it does not include Wyatt ,Danielson ,punk etc
I think Cena  
Sneakers O'toole : 4/15/2014 10:29 am : link
is probably a good guy in real life. He just sucks as a wrestler.
Agreed, Sneakers/Wuphat  
Kyle : 4/15/2014 10:48 am : link
Breaking the fourth wall is value-additive to wrestling storylines when it's used to 1) push the idea that someone is being held down by the company or 2) reference real-life facts that serve as personal digs, to add heat to the feud. In essence, that's just knocking down the fourth wall to rebuild it further out and expand the room to encompass more.

The Authority angle keeping Daniel Bryan down? Perfect.
Edge/Matt Hardy using a real life issue between them in story? Perfect.

Breaking the wall to expose the falsehoods of the storyline, like Cena did with Wyatt or previously did with Del Rio ("you're not rich you don't own cars lol you" said to the guy whose gimmick is rich heel) is just demolishing the whole damn house.

It makes the opponent look terrible, and it makes Cena look good because of the devaluation of his opponent, rather than Cena earning standing.
And agreed re: the crowd, too  
Kyle : 4/15/2014 10:52 am : link
The moronic smarks who chanted Sexual Chocolate throughout Mark Henry's monster run were ruining a storyline they purportedly loved just to get their own wrestling knowledge over. "Look I remember something from awhile ago!"

Every ROH show in New York is chock full of these singular sorts of assholes, shouting nonsensical irrelevant wrestling names or moves or jokes or catchphrases to demonstrate the depth of their knowledge.

It's the sweaty ponytail-sporting fat neckbeard mating call.
Any word about MIB  
dep026 : 4/15/2014 10:52 am : link
will there jsut be 1 bout since there is only 1 belt? Or will they have one for the IC contender?

Barrett is getting a pretty big push now. Obviously Cesaro is going to be the favorite, but I wouldnt be shocked to see Barrett be a serious contender at MIB.
Exactly on that too  
Sneakers O'toole : 4/15/2014 10:53 am : link
It's bizarre.
Kyle  
BIG FRED : 4/15/2014 11:02 am : link
totally agree ,Those fans for the most part are the mid 20's group that was not there for the heyday of ECW or the birth of ROH ..They get on my nerves .
Those fans are great.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/15/2014 11:11 am : link
If the product is going to be as shit as it has been for a number of years now, then WWE is getting what it deserves with those fans. Fuck the typical, canned crowd that we got last night. The more and more those fans are driven out, the better.
I loved last night for re-establishing the IC division  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/15/2014 11:12 am : link
but RVD is a blight on the card. ADR should have won. It's too bad he'll be gone soon.

I like Cesaro, Barrett, Ziggler, and Langston in that division. They should all be kept strong.
Gotta worry  
BigBlueCane : 4/15/2014 11:48 am : link
if a Bryan free Raw does well... what that might mean for his push and title reign.
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