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BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/14/2014 1:08 pm
I have to say that the product has been very good over the past few weeks.

I think there will be an Ultimate Warrior tribute of some sort tonight since not everyone has the network.

I think with or without the Undertaker addressing the crowd tonight Sting may finally make his appearance(he started in the business with Warrior)

Looking forward to the revolution reunion angel.
I think they are going to wait on sting  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2014 1:19 pm : link
until Undertaker can make an appearance...
As much as people like to hate on Triple H  
mac attack : 4/14/2014 1:24 pm : link
for the way he fenagled his way into the family and into the current position he holds and will hold when VKM dies or retires, he has worked wonders with nXt, the Performance Center, his ability to sign legends (Bruno, Warrior, Jake, working on Owen's family) and his maturation as an in-ring performer (putting people like Bryan over).

I really think that WWE is finally in a really great spot. The network needs a few thousand more subscribers, but I think they will come as the product begins to evolve more and more with established younger stars. For years WWE relied on names from the past who were over the hill. But now with the young influx they have (all primarily from nXt) they have the opportunity to maximize on these young guys instead of 45-year olds. I think a guy like CM Punk knew his window was closing to headline PPV's because of young stars like Reigns, Ambrose, Rollins, Big E, Barrett, Cesaro, Wyatt are all breathing down their necks for the main event spots. Hell even Ziggler, Kofi, Swagger, the Uso's and are all young enough to put it all together and make themselves main event guys.
Also Triple H and Stephanie  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2014 1:33 pm : link
basically ran Mania without Vince and rumors are saying Vince has taken a big step back to let them run the every day operations...

Hate him or lvoe him Triple H has a very good mind for the business and has been in creative meetings even before he married Stephanie..
In terms of building a support system for the business, it's great  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2014 1:47 pm : link
I love the concept of NXT as the minor leagues training ground.

The problem still is at the Raw/Smackdown level. They get it right at NXT. The writing at the upper level is still sucky and questionable.

It looks like they're committed to the young guys now, but when they stick questionable storylines and gimmicks on them and expect a return of investment, and these kids don't get over right away, how fast will they pull the plug?

I already don't like what they did with Paige. It's the complete opposite of what made her stand out at NXT. That wasn't her character at all.

RE: Also Triple H and Stephanie  
Default : 4/14/2014 1:49 pm : link
In comment 11619719 nygiants16 said:
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basically ran Mania without Vince


If this is true, which I hope, the company is in very good hands.
WM XXX was fantastic
I guess we're going to go back to the norm  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 2:27 pm : link
You know, PG-audience filled with kids in their John Cena rainbow-colored t-shirts.



Alas
It  
BIG FRED : 4/14/2014 2:32 pm : link
will be interesting to see what they do to pay tribute to Warrior tonight, since they are dedicating the show to him. I’m guessing career highlights before or after commercial breaks and comments from superstars.Are Adam Rose and Bo Dallas gonna get called up to the main roster tonight ?
.  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2014 2:43 pm : link
The medical examiner who conducted an autopsy on the Ultimate Warrior has released the results of his findings.

Warrior's death was caused by a heart attack related to "Atherosclerotic/Arteriosclerotic Cardiovascular Disease" (heart disease).

Warrior's death was classified as "natural" - meaning that neither drugs nor alcohol were directly involved.
RE: It  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2014 2:44 pm : link
In comment 11619867 BIG FRED said:
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will be interesting to see what they do to pay tribute to Warrior tonight, since they are dedicating the show to him. I’m guessing career highlights before or after commercial breaks and comments from superstars.Are Adam Rose and Bo Dallas gonna get called up to the main roster tonight ?


Ugh. Bo Dallas is garbage.
Disagree  
BIG FRED : 4/14/2014 2:53 pm : link
i have followed him since he started in FCW and has become a really good worker and his mic skills have gotten alot better .If his gimmick now is getting you to hate him than its working lol
RE: Disagree  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2014 2:54 pm : link
In comment 11619924 BIG FRED said:
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i have followed him since he started in FCW and has become a really good worker and his mic skills have gotten alot better .If his gimmick now is getting you to hate him than its working lol


It's the gimmick, lol. He has a punchable face.
Heard no Daniel Bryan tonight  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2014 2:58 pm : link
he got married over the weekend.

Triple H and Stephanie  
moespree : 4/14/2014 3:00 pm : link
Are good for the wrestling part, especially Triple H.

I'd be fearful of the business part though, without Vince. Neither of them are qualified and there has already been talk about potential future CEOs and none of them know a thing about wrestling.

Which is fine, if they leave Triple H and Stephanie on their own to run wrestling, and vice versa. Will that happen though?
RE: RE: Disagree  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 3:00 pm : link
In comment 11619926 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 11619924 BIG FRED said:


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i have followed him since he started in FCW and has become a really good worker and his mic skills have gotten alot better .If his gimmick now is getting you to hate him than its working lol



It's the gimmick, lol. He has a punchable face.


He also looks like a chick
don't care for tyler breeze and  
sinctybldh : 4/14/2014 3:05 pm : link
i am very surprised they are bringing him up. his gimmick will get old fast and i don't see a very long career for him.
Bork Lazer and his grandmother  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2014 3:06 pm : link
Sable  
mac attack : 4/14/2014 3:14 pm : link
looks pretty damn good to me.

If that's what your grandmother looks like, give her my number.
Is  
nyfan76 : 4/14/2014 3:16 pm : link
there a list of matches for the upcoming show?
Good thing Batista is back to get someone sent to the hospital.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2014 3:17 pm : link
Way to take care  
BIG FRED : 4/14/2014 3:21 pm : link
your opponent Batista
RE: As much as people like to hate on Triple H  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/14/2014 3:42 pm : link
In comment 11619699 mac attack said:
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for the way he fenagled his way into the family and into the current position he holds and will hold when VKM dies or retires, he has worked wonders with nXt, the Performance Center, his ability to sign legends (Bruno, Warrior, Jake, working on Owen's family) and his maturation as an in-ring performer (putting people like Bryan over).

I really think that WWE is finally in a really great spot. The network needs a few thousand more subscribers, but I think they will come as the product begins to evolve more and more with established younger stars. For years WWE relied on names from the past who were over the hill. But now with the young influx they have (all primarily from nXt) they have the opportunity to maximize on these young guys instead of 45-year olds. I think a guy like CM Punk knew his window was closing to headline PPV's because of young stars like Reigns, Ambrose, Rollins, Big E, Barrett, Cesaro, Wyatt are all breathing down their necks for the main event spots. Hell even Ziggler, Kofi, Swagger, the Uso's and are all young enough to put it all together and make themselves main event guys.


The big problem is that the older guys on the roster have no where to go. They don't really want to cut bate with anyone because they don't want to feed a competitor since they have all but squashed TNA.
I caught last week's TNA  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2014 3:59 pm : link
You know, their speaking segments are not terrible.

I don't know what killed them, but the product didn't seem so awful.
Ultimare Warrior  
MookGiants : 4/14/2014 4:00 pm : link
died from cardiovascular disease
link - ( New Window )
RE: Heard no Daniel Bryan tonight  
CGiants07 : 4/14/2014 4:00 pm : link
In comment 11619931 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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he got married over the weekend.


yes him and brie bella got married
Speaking of TNA  
BIG FRED : 4/14/2014 4:09 pm : link
I can not believe they are gonna try and do 3 shows in June at the hammerstein .1 i can see but 3 ..I will probably go to the Saturday show ..
I  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2014 4:10 pm : link
may hit up one of those TNA shows. Might be fun.
TNA  
BIG FRED : 4/14/2014 4:47 pm : link
actually has good wrestlers ,Its just terrible booking but yeah the shows are cool ..
Down the Shore  
mac attack : 4/14/2014 5:28 pm : link
A lot of these older guys won't need to stick around longer if they don't want to. The amount guys like Big Show and Rey hve been paid over the years is signicantly higher than the generation of veterans before them. Plus WWE has legends deals now so they can do pre and post Raw commentary, sell figures and t-shirts with their likeness, make guest appearances, Hall of Fame inductions, or even help train down in Orlando. I'm not worried about those guys, they'll be fine.
i think jeff jarrett's new promotion  
sinctybldh : 4/14/2014 5:34 pm : link
will hurt TNA. TNA has been low balling all of their wrestlers up for resign. Jarrett's promotion will give these wrestlers more leverage in negotiations which means that a lot may end up going to Jarrett's promotion.
Rey Mysterio, CM Punk, and Big Show  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2014 5:49 pm : link
I know Punk is a millionaire, I'm pretty sure Mysterio and Show are too.

Why those guys are still working, especially Rey, confounds me. They've done pretty well for themselves.

Question,  
NJGiantFan84 : 4/14/2014 5:55 pm : link
I don't really watch anymore, but with the talk of Triple h & Stephanie taking over, what happened to Shayne? I always thought he would take over for Vince.
Shane  
sinctybldh : 4/14/2014 5:57 pm : link
hasn't been around for a very long time. He had been running his own business, but I think he got out of it. Not sure what he is up to right now.
RE: Question,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2014 6:01 pm : link
In comment 11620207 NJGiantFan84 said:
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I don't really watch anymore, but with the talk of Triple h & Stephanie taking over, what happened to Shayne? I always thought he would take over for Vince.


I think everyone thought that, but Vince opted to give a lot of the business to Stephanie. And then HHH. Shane went away to make a name for himself in business separate from WWE, which he did. Now he's got a couple of kids.
Totally agree on the Paige comments  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 6:25 pm : link
She is a bad ass in NXT and the way they made her come out and say "I'm not ready", when challenged by AJ Lee is not her character at all.
RE: I caught last week's TNA  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 6:35 pm : link
In comment 11620065 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You know, their speaking segments are not terrible.

I don't know what killed them, but the product didn't seem so awful.


And there's a lot of talent on the roster. The booking and writing is nothing short of awful. Great talent, but terrible direction.
RE: Speaking of TNA  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 6:36 pm : link
In comment 11620084 BIG FRED said:
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I can not believe they are gonna try and do 3 shows in June at the hammerstein .1 i can see but 3 ..I will probably go to the Saturday show ..


I might see you there. I'm also intrigued. When do tickets go on sale?


Austin Aries FTW
Rey, allegedly, wasn't good with his money for most of his career.  
Riggies : 4/14/2014 6:45 pm : link
These last couple years and now have been/are him building the nest egg he should have ready built for himself and his family, supposedly.
.  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 6:49 pm : link
Adam Rose bus spotted outside the Arena, him and Bo Dallas most likely will be in that IC Title tournament
The Adam Rose ring entrance  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 7:07 pm : link
is one of the funniest damn things I have ever seen.
.  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 7:26 pm : link
DirecTV will no longer be carrying WWE pay-per-view events going forward, starting with the Extreme Rules PPV on May 4, 2014. According to those with who have the satellite provider the TNA and UFC PPV events are listed under the sports section of their package.

A reader of PWTorch spoke with DirecTV, who said they might change their policy of not carrying WWE PPVs "at any time."

WWE issued this short statement: "Yes, DIRECTV has decided to stop offering our PPV's residentially and commercially. The only other option would be to work through the local cable provider."

To watch WWE's monthly "special events" going forward you can purchase the WWE Network for a $9.99 monthly subscription with a six month commitment.
"Time to play the Game"  
Yorkgfan17 : 4/14/2014 7:32 pm : link
Love that song.
HHH  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 7:59 pm : link
Entrance at WM 30 was epic
RE: HHH  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 8:00 pm : link
In comment 11620304 SoZKillA said:
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Entrance at WM 30 was epic


yes it was.
RE: Down the Shore  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/14/2014 8:02 pm : link
In comment 11620189 mac attack said:
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A lot of these older guys won't need to stick around longer if they don't want to. The amount guys like Big Show and Rey hve been paid over the years is signicantly higher than the generation of veterans before them. Plus WWE has legends deals now so they can do pre and post Raw commentary, sell figures and t-shirts with their likeness, make guest appearances, Hall of Fame inductions, or even help train down in Orlando. I'm not worried about those guys, they'll be fine.



I'm talking about guys like Cena and Orton. They aren't over the hill yet, but they have grown stale and old in a mental sense.

Vince learned from the last time around and instead of letting the old talent go and help another brand, its better for him to keep them, but then you get these terrible stale matches that have been there done that which stalls the new talent from keeping everything fresh.

It's going to continue to go this way until they have an actual competitor.

Amazing  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 8:08 pm : link
Tribute for Warrior
Anyone else's cable fucked up?  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 8:09 pm : link
I have TWC and many channel are not showing up


I missed the first few minutes of Raw
DirecTV was fine  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 8:11 pm : link
awesome tribute for Warrior.
Ah, bummer, I missed it  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 8:12 pm : link
. Fucking TWC
Triple H's influence is  
SHO'NUFF : 4/14/2014 8:13 pm : link
the reason why I stopped watching wrestling.
Nice tribute  
Adam XLII : 4/14/2014 8:17 pm : link
Pretty crazy speech UW gave last week. So fitting
Gotta watch on Front Row...Ugh  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 8:18 pm : link
Looks like we're back to the PG, apathetic, mixed-Cena crowd. Alas, it was fun while it lasted. :'(
Not even a "you fucked up" chant?  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 8:20 pm : link
God, I fucking hate apathetic crowds
RE: Ah, bummer, I missed it  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 8:23 pm : link
In comment 11620315 Anakim said:
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. Fucking TWC


it's online already
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzEK_2DVzhg#t=320 - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Ah, bummer, I missed it  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 8:25 pm : link
In comment 11620333 Jints in Carolina said:
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In comment 11620315 Anakim said:


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. Fucking TWC



it's online already https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzEK_2DVzhg#t=320 - ( New Window )


Jesus, that was quick. Thanks!
They're  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 8:26 pm : link
In Alabama, not the smartest wrestling crowd lol
How come Orton and Mr. Crapadoo are basically the only ones not  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 8:27 pm : link
wearing Warrior shirts?
I hate chanting crowds for the most part  
Sneakers O'toole : 4/14/2014 8:29 pm : link
,
RE: I hate chanting crowds for the most part  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 8:31 pm : link
In comment 11620341 Sneakers O'toole said:
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,


Why?
I just don't like it  
Sneakers O'toole : 4/14/2014 8:32 pm : link
they make themselves too much a part of the show. The rise of the "smart fan" is more of an irritant to me than anything else.
Natalya and Cody Rhodes seemed to take it the hardest  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 8:33 pm : link
They probably knew Warrior growing up
i said it on the other thread  
Sneakers O'toole : 4/14/2014 8:35 pm : link
but the Warrior was hysterical. I was really bummed out when I heard about this. He was a character.
RE: I just don't like it  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 8:36 pm : link
In comment 11620345 Sneakers O'toole said:
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they make themselves too much a part of the show. The rise of the "smart fan" is more of an irritant to me than anything else.


As opposed to uninspired, boring wrestling that we get 99% of the time? The chants fuel the wrestlers. They said it after the Raw of the New Jersey Wrestlemania. Everyone performs better when the crowd is involved.

Crowds are as entertaining, if not more, than the matches themselves.
I didn't say I prefer dead crowds  
Sneakers O'toole : 4/14/2014 8:38 pm : link
I just don't like the rise of the chant. Back in the day crowds had fun at the shows, they just didn't have organized snark responses. It's shit.
RE: I didn't say I prefer dead crowds  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 8:39 pm : link
In comment 11620354 Sneakers O'toole said:
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I just don't like the rise of the chant. Back in the day crowds had fun at the shows, they just didn't have organized snark responses. It's shit.


So what would you prefer they do?
Why  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 8:39 pm : link
Are they having filler matches when they have a Tourney for the IC Title ?
RE: Not even a  
dep026 : 4/14/2014 8:40 pm : link
In comment 11620330 Anakim said:
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God, I fucking hate apathetic crowds


You want them to say that during a tribute? Come on.
I can't be  
Sneakers O'toole : 4/14/2014 8:41 pm : link
the only person here that hates modern wrestling crowds.
RE: I can't be  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 8:42 pm : link
In comment 11620360 Sneakers O'toole said:
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the only person here that hates modern wrestling crowds.


I do now....gone way overboard.
I just like a crowd that gives a shit  
Adam XLII : 4/14/2014 8:42 pm : link
Chants or whatever don't really matter to me
mmmmmmmmm Paige  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 8:47 pm : link
.
Wait I'm confused...  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/14/2014 8:48 pm : link
Why would the crowd chant "you fucked up"??
RE: Wait I'm confused...  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 8:49 pm : link
In comment 11620374 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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Why would the crowd chant "you fucked up"??


RVD missed Del Rio by about 8 feet.
I love  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 8:50 pm : link
Smart Crowds, they make the show 100000xs better... ex fans dancing and singing He's got the whole world in his hands when Wyatt wrestles
With you sneakers  
mattnyg05 : 4/14/2014 8:51 pm : link
Hate the smarky crowds takes away from the fun some of the time. It's hard to explain.
Piage needs to be a bad ass again  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 8:53 pm : link
and not act surprised when she wins.
Oculus does look bad ass and it got nice reviews  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 8:55 pm : link
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RE: mmmmmmmmm Paige  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 8:55 pm : link
In comment 11620372 Jints in Carolina said:
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Alicia Fox is hotter, IMO.


Not a bad Divas match
to each his own  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 8:56 pm : link
but IMO Paige is hotter.
RE: RE: Wait I'm confused...  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/14/2014 8:56 pm : link
In comment 11620375 Jints in Carolina said:
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In comment 11620374 Tim in Eternal Blue said:


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Why would the crowd chant "you fucked up"??





RVD missed Del Rio by about 8 feet.


Oh okay... Thought it was something in the tribute.

Love the IC title tournament. I'm hoping Cesaro wins and we get a good Cesaro vs Swagger fued for IC title. I'm ready to see the IC belt back to legitimacy.
Paige has the sexy  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/14/2014 8:58 pm : link
goth thing going. Me likey
RE: to each his own  
eli4life : 4/14/2014 9:00 pm : link
In comment 11620386 Jints in Carolina said:
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but IMO Paige is hotter.


I agree. Stick me between Paige and AJ and I'd die happy
AJ  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/14/2014 9:03 pm : link
Is gorgeous. Punk is a lucky man.
Botchtista  
SHO'NUFF : 4/14/2014 9:04 pm : link
didn't botch it that time.
RE: to each his own  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 9:05 pm : link
In comment 11620386 Jints in Carolina said:
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but IMO Paige is hotter.


Oh she's definitely a hottie, but I like the Fox. Layla is probably #1 and interestingly enough. I'm pretty sure she's the oldest diva (not counting Vickie). Layla, Fox, AJ (although who knows what kinds of diseases she picked up from Punk), Lana, Summer Rae...
Best Warrior match in the ring has to be  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 9:09 pm : link
vs. Randy Savage at WrestleMania. Best in ring work he ever did.
.  
Turn Your Head And Coughlin : 4/14/2014 9:11 pm : link
I thought you were only into dudes, Ana Kim.
RE: .  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 9:11 pm : link
In comment 11620403 Turn Your Head And Coughlin said:
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I thought you were only into dudes, Ana Kim.



Only that extremely talented, extremely entertaining, extremely not-phony John Cena
Are they turning Cesaro heel?  
Adam XLII : 4/14/2014 9:20 pm : link
It's gonna kill his momentum
Cesaro is so awesome  
Adam XLII : 4/14/2014 9:21 pm : link
that people wanna cheer him but are they trying to make him heel?
Cesaro  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/14/2014 9:26 pm : link
Has been a heel.
Boner alert  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 9:29 pm : link
And I'm not talking about Mr. Rusev
My God Lana  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 9:29 pm : link
legs for days and what a rack.
RE: My God Lana  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/14/2014 9:30 pm : link
In comment 11620431 Jints in Carolina said:
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legs for days and what a rack.


As said in his Sterling Archer voice...
Lana  
Adam XLII : 4/14/2014 9:30 pm : link
i'd rail her
Rusev looks like a huge fart  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 9:31 pm : link
.
That guy is build  
Adam XLII : 4/14/2014 9:31 pm : link
like a brick shit house
RE: That guy is build  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 9:32 pm : link
In comment 11620438 Adam XLII said:
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like a brick shit house


Well, he was a weightlifter at the Olympics
RE: RE: That guy is build  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 9:33 pm : link
In comment 11620441 Anakim said:
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In comment 11620438 Adam XLII said:


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like a brick shit house



Well, he was a weightlifter at the Olympics


Cool. I did not know that.
.  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 9:35 pm : link
@RybackRAGE: LANA SPELLED BACKWARDS.

#RAW



Hahaahahaha
The Exotic Express!  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 9:48 pm : link
I'm a Rose Bud!
Just got in watching now  
Mr. Nickels : 4/14/2014 9:52 pm : link
Agree with Natalya and Cody Rhodes comment above. They grew up in the business with Warrior. So many on this roster aren't as connected to the man as you would think because of the age gap (Eva Marie just blank stare)
Why  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 9:56 pm : link
Is Eva Marie still under contract ? Waste of space
.  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 9:59 pm : link
Love The Wyatts  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 10:01 pm : link
even downloaded the song off iTunes LOL
So have I lol  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 10:03 pm : link
That entrance at WM was amazing as well
RE: Why  
Riggies : 4/14/2014 10:04 pm : link
In comment 11620479 SoZKillA said:
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Is Eva Marie still under contract ? Waste of space


She's a key part of Total Divas, which is actually a moderate success for E!

WWE won't part with anyone that even has Z- list mainstream/pop culture presence.
I despise John Cena  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 10:06 pm : link
He's such a lying, phony piece of dogshit
RE: I despise John Cena  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 10:06 pm : link
In comment 11620493 Anakim said:
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He's such a lying, phony piece of dogshit


yes we know Anakim. Let it go.
RE: I despise John Cena  
dep026 : 4/14/2014 10:07 pm : link
In comment 11620493 Anakim said:
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He's such a lying, phony piece of dogshit


Just like the Rock ;)

Roid freaks.
this is actually pretty funny  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 10:08 pm : link
.
um the russian beast  
Neverend : 4/14/2014 10:09 pm : link
reminds me of vvladmir kozlov. big Russian that does squash matches. Its whatever
How any adult male with a functioning brain can root for John Cena is  
Anakim : 4/14/2014 10:10 pm : link
one of the greater mysteries of the world
I like the Cena who does great things for Make A Wish  
Jints in Carolina : 4/14/2014 10:10 pm : link
.
RE: RE: Why  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 10:12 pm : link
In comment 11620491 Riggies said:
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In comment 11620479 SoZKillA said:


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Is Eva Marie still under contract ? Waste of space



She's a key part of Total Divas, which is actually a moderate success for E!

WWE won't part with anyone that even has Z- list mainstream/pop culture presence.


She can't wrestle worth a shit, she's going to get one of the divas hurt sooner or later
Wyatt is fucking  
Adam XLII : 4/14/2014 10:12 pm : link
incredible on the mic, best since Rock
I can't believe Bray Wyatt in real life  
dpinzow : 4/14/2014 10:12 pm : link
is the son of the guy who played IRS, but he is...those characters are about as different as two characters can be
Cena is so lame  
illmatic : 4/14/2014 10:14 pm : link
just come out, smile at the camera and lol it up the whole time. awesome dewd.

This crowd is beyond terrible too.
That Cena promo is an example of what is wrong  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/14/2014 10:16 pm : link
with this company.
3 weeks  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 10:21 pm : link
Ago Cena was scared of Bray, now he's making fun of the Wyatts
RE: RE: to each his own  
Mr. Nickels : 4/14/2014 10:24 pm : link
In comment 11620395 Anakim said:
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but IMO Paige is hotter.



Oh she's definitely a hottie, but I like the Fox. Layla is probably #1 and interestingly enough. I'm pretty sure she's the oldest diva (not counting Vickie). Layla, Fox, AJ (although who knows what kinds of diseases she picked up from Punk), Lana, Summer Rae...



I just find Paige to be that adorably cute type of hot and that is my favorite type.
so I don't really watch wrestling  
islander1 : 4/14/2014 10:28 pm : link
but I had to look up this Rusev guy, saw his raw match. Holy shit, he looks like a slightly shorter version of Brock Lesnar.
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Anakim : 4/14/2014 10:30 pm : link
In comment 11620519 Mr. Nickels said:
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but IMO Paige is hotter.



Oh she's definitely a hottie, but I like the Fox. Layla is probably #1 and interestingly enough. I'm pretty sure she's the oldest diva (not counting Vickie). Layla, Fox, AJ (although who knows what kinds of diseases she picked up from Punk), Lana, Summer Rae...




I just find Paige to be that adorably cute type of hot and that is my favorite type.


Oh, I totally get it. I think Paige is a hottie also
This is the Raw  
moespree : 4/14/2014 10:37 pm : link
I know and don't love.

Two years in a row now, the post WM Raw is nothing but a cater job to the internet fanbase. Next week comes, bang, right back to normal. Boring, poorly booked, dead crowd, all around crap.
The  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 10:58 pm : link
Masks the Shield wear are sick
The  
SoZKillA : 4/14/2014 11:01 pm : link
Shield vs The Jobbers and Midcard scrubs
EVOLUTION!!!  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2014 11:07 pm : link
love this theme....
I hate  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/14/2014 11:20 pm : link
Cena. Shitty 9 year old crowd as well.
This Cena promo tonight is the worst fucking thing I can remember  
Kyle : 4/15/2014 12:02 am : link
since Triple H buried the roster in that walk-out shit.

Holy fuck. It's the gimmick destruction I mentioned weeks ago.

We're two weeks from IRS and Husky Harris references with John Cena's smug wink-nod.
RE: This is the Raw  
BigBlueinChicago : 4/15/2014 12:02 am : link
In comment 11620529 moespree said:
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I know and don't love.

Two years in a row now, the post WM Raw is nothing but a cater job to the internet fanbase. Next week comes, bang, right back to normal. Boring, poorly booked, dead crowd, all around crap.


Can't expect much from a crowd in Alabama. The show was booked as such.

We all know WWE books shows based on location. They made sure to bring it in Chicago, Brooklyn and the night after RAW extra or else the crowd would shit on the show.

Other places, they can get away with a "C level" show because the people in the crowd are just happy to have WWE in their town. In Birmingham, it's like the circus arriving.

The next two weeks they will be in Baltimore and St. Louis. Not a spot for hot crowds. I would expect more of the same booking you saw tonight before the PPV at Izod Center.
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Mr. Nickels : 4/15/2014 12:16 am : link
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Haahaha exactly like oblivious 8th grade girl music fan. I hope there are more of those where that came from
I am guessing  
Mr. Nickels : 4/15/2014 12:45 am : link
Evolution vs the Shield at Extreme Rules
RE: This Cena promo tonight is the worst fucking thing I can remember  
Anakim : 4/15/2014 1:15 am : link
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since Triple H buried the roster in that walk-out shit.

Holy fuck. It's the gimmick destruction I mentioned weeks ago.

We're two weeks from IRS and Husky Harris references with John Cena's smug wink-nod.


Fuck the Prototype, his nickname should be Megadouche
RE: RE: This is the Raw  
dpinzow : 4/15/2014 2:36 am : link
In comment 11620587 BigBlueinChicago said:
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I know and don't love.

Two years in a row now, the post WM Raw is nothing but a cater job to the internet fanbase. Next week comes, bang, right back to normal. Boring, poorly booked, dead crowd, all around crap.



Can't expect much from a crowd in Alabama. The show was booked as such.

We all know WWE books shows based on location. They made sure to bring it in Chicago, Brooklyn and the night after RAW extra or else the crowd would shit on the show.

Other places, they can get away with a "C level" show because the people in the crowd are just happy to have WWE in their town. In Birmingham, it's like the circus arriving.

The next two weeks they will be in Baltimore and St. Louis. Not a spot for hot crowds. I would expect more of the same booking you saw tonight before the PPV at Izod Center.


Baltimore and STL could have decent wrestling crowds. STL has its smarks and a history of big matches and Baltimore is in the I-95 corridor
WWE also gave Bryan some time off  
dpinzow : 4/15/2014 2:40 am : link
to get married, so his absence would dampen the crowd's spirits a bit. Birmingham kind of liked Bray, I thought. Bray would do very well as an antihero down there because he's written as a crazy redneck
Best  
HakeemNicks : 4/15/2014 8:31 am : link
crowds are in NY and Chicago IMO (I'm sure I'm missing a few) but anywhere else its like a Disney atmosphere.
Kyle  
Wuphat : 4/15/2014 8:34 am : link
Completely agree on your point about Cena and Wyatt.

My post from the WMXXX thread right after Cena beat him.

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Wuphat : 4/6/2014 9:06 pm : link
begins

I expect Bray to win at Extreme Rules  
nygiants16 : 4/15/2014 9:17 am : link
and win the payoff at Summer Slam...they gave Cena his WM win to appease him so he will put over Wyatt...

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dep026 : 4/15/2014 9:20 am : link
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and win the payoff at Summer Slam...they gave Cena his WM win to appease him so he will put over Wyatt...


I dont see them doing 4 PPVs. I think Bray wins this time. Then hopefully after the next PPV, they feud with the Shield, causing the Shield to split so Reigns will get his push.
RE: RE: I expect Bray to win at Extreme Rules  
nygiants16 : 4/15/2014 9:24 am : link
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and win the payoff at Summer Slam...they gave Cena his WM win to appease him so he will put over Wyatt...




I dont see them doing 4 PPVs. I think Bray wins this time. Then hopefully after the next PPV, they feud with the Shield, causing the Shield to split so Reigns will get his push.


The SHield will be facing Evolution for awhile in my opinion...i think its going to be their big summmer angle...

everyone keeps prediction Ambrose and Rollins will turn on Reigns but i think its going to be opposite...I think HHH Batista and Orton try and recruit Reigns to be their 4th guy and the protege of the group..
Wuphat, it's the worst possible wrestling promo you can do  
Kyle : 4/15/2014 9:34 am : link
I made the point after Cena went on his Homeless Jimmy Buffet standup routine to Bray weeks before WM: it's fourth wall breaking gimmick destruction that makes his opponent look like shit and, more importantly, screams to the audience "HEY EVERYONE THIS IS FAKE WHO CARES WHAT HAPPENS!!!".



You can make silly jokes like Rock calling Big Show a 500 pound bag of monkey crap because that's not an insult that's illuminating out the falsity that is pro wrestling. Call Bray a fat false cult leader that no one should listen to because he sounds crazy. That keeps the gimmick alive and still achieves the "face insults heel" goal.

The only way to salvage the promo is to have Cena "lose his smile" after getting his shit wrecked by Bray, and stop making jokes and be sad, and that's not going to happen because Cena.
I agree with Kyle  
Sneakers O'toole : 4/15/2014 9:36 am : link
you have to maintain the idea of the character. If the character is a cult leader, the other wrestlers should treat him like a cult leader. That's one of the reasons I don't like the smarky crowds.
I would add that if Cena were such a goofball, he could make  
Kyle : 4/15/2014 9:37 am : link
these sorts of joke promos work in some small way.

But he's not menacing or condescending in his insults and there's no intensity. He's smiling and laughing and playing it up, presenting the material as if he's doing a Leno impersonation during open mic at Yuk Yuks, instead of insulting someone he wants to beat.
I don't diagaree  
moespree : 4/15/2014 10:06 am : link
Cena is probably the worst promo star ever in wrestling.

At least through his 45 "Brothers" Hogan would make the opponent legit. Same with Austin and Rock. Even the Mr. McMahon character while running down Austin on the mic would tell you it's because Austin is a threat to his company.

Cena is the same guy who called someone (I think it was Punk) a few years ago a "poopeyhead". What's really amazing is how well he hides it. Fact is Cena is not some head and shoulders above everyone on the midcard mic worker. In terms of mic work, in my opinion, he is on par with a lot of midcard guys who people commonly accept as poor mic workers. When he decides it's time to be "serious" it's either a low monotone voice or high pitched screaming. Rest of the time it's jokes. And whenever someone calls him out on that, he has to resort to breaking kayfabe and the 4th wall. Which he has done with Rock, Jericho, Punk, HHH, Lesnar, and now Wyatt.
The worst promo Cena ever did  
nygiants16 : 4/15/2014 10:10 am : link
was after the match with Lesnar he was supposed to be destroyed by Lesnar and not able to move...the plan for him was to be carried out of the ring so even though Lesnar lost still looks like a beast for destroying Cena...

Instead what does Cena do? he gets up like nothing happened and starts talking to the camera like nothing happened..it was a disgrace...

he is one of the worst sellers in WWE and one of the worst Story tellers...he is a cartoon character..
Kyle  
Wuphat : 4/15/2014 10:19 am : link
I'm with you.

Even though we all know that kayfabe is what it is, for the product to work, gimmicks ought to be treated as they were before the wall came down.

We know it's a story. They know we know it's a story, but they don't have to acknowledge that.

It'd be like Bruce Willis saying, "You're not a terrorist, Hans! You're just pretending to be one."
Exactly  
Sneakers O'toole : 4/15/2014 10:22 am : link
when I watch the walking dead I know those aren't real zombies. I don't want the characters around them to stop treating them as zombies.

Wrestling works best with the fourth wall intact. And that includes the idiots in the crowd for the most part.
Well  
BIG FRED : 4/15/2014 10:28 am : link
I have to admit I was a huge Cena mark in 2002-2003 when he was doing the whole battle rap gimmick and I met him at a jersey all pro anniversary show in 2003 and he was a real cool guy .he even battled some kid there ,that was before he became the star that he is .But within the last 2 years I fwdd his segment if it does not include Wyatt ,Danielson ,punk etc
I think Cena  
Sneakers O'toole : 4/15/2014 10:29 am : link
is probably a good guy in real life. He just sucks as a wrestler.
Agreed, Sneakers/Wuphat  
Kyle : 4/15/2014 10:48 am : link
Breaking the fourth wall is value-additive to wrestling storylines when it's used to 1) push the idea that someone is being held down by the company or 2) reference real-life facts that serve as personal digs, to add heat to the feud. In essence, that's just knocking down the fourth wall to rebuild it further out and expand the room to encompass more.

The Authority angle keeping Daniel Bryan down? Perfect.
Edge/Matt Hardy using a real life issue between them in story? Perfect.

Breaking the wall to expose the falsehoods of the storyline, like Cena did with Wyatt or previously did with Del Rio ("you're not rich you don't own cars lol you" said to the guy whose gimmick is rich heel) is just demolishing the whole damn house.

It makes the opponent look terrible, and it makes Cena look good because of the devaluation of his opponent, rather than Cena earning standing.
And agreed re: the crowd, too  
Kyle : 4/15/2014 10:52 am : link
The moronic smarks who chanted Sexual Chocolate throughout Mark Henry's monster run were ruining a storyline they purportedly loved just to get their own wrestling knowledge over. "Look I remember something from awhile ago!"

Every ROH show in New York is chock full of these singular sorts of assholes, shouting nonsensical irrelevant wrestling names or moves or jokes or catchphrases to demonstrate the depth of their knowledge.

It's the sweaty ponytail-sporting fat neckbeard mating call.
Any word about MIB  
dep026 : 4/15/2014 10:52 am : link
will there jsut be 1 bout since there is only 1 belt? Or will they have one for the IC contender?

Barrett is getting a pretty big push now. Obviously Cesaro is going to be the favorite, but I wouldnt be shocked to see Barrett be a serious contender at MIB.
Exactly on that too  
Sneakers O'toole : 4/15/2014 10:53 am : link
It's bizarre.
Kyle  
BIG FRED : 4/15/2014 11:02 am : link
totally agree ,Those fans for the most part are the mid 20's group that was not there for the heyday of ECW or the birth of ROH ..They get on my nerves .
Those fans are great.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/15/2014 11:11 am : link
If the product is going to be as shit as it has been for a number of years now, then WWE is getting what it deserves with those fans. Fuck the typical, canned crowd that we got last night. The more and more those fans are driven out, the better.
I loved last night for re-establishing the IC division  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/15/2014 11:12 am : link
but RVD is a blight on the card. ADR should have won. It's too bad he'll be gone soon.

I like Cesaro, Barrett, Ziggler, and Langston in that division. They should all be kept strong.
Gotta worry  
BigBlueCane : 4/15/2014 11:48 am : link
if a Bryan free Raw does well... what that might mean for his push and title reign.
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