Let me start by saying that I do not have the football knowledge to speculate much in this area. So you're all very welcome. I posted this in the K Williams thread, but thought it might be worthy of it's own conversation.
We've seen Jerry stock our DT depth chart with veteran DT's over the past few years, many on 1-Year deals: Shaun Rogers, Mike Patterson, Cullen Jenkins, Rocky Bernard; this year, the Giants have interest in Kevin Williams.
My question is: Does the nature of DT play from system to system allow for a more plug-and-play style approach? Might it be the Giants philosophy that this is the most cost-efficient way to find effective DT play?
-Or is this simple circumstance?
Would the Giants much prefer the high pedigree DT combo, like Coughlin's Stroud/Henderson pairing?
I think that's the LB philosophy too. I remember on ESPN he asked the hosts to name the starting LBs for the 2 Sbs and they couldn't proving Reeses point that you can get Lbs that aren't blue chip guys.
There is always a run-stop first DT (Hankins, Joseph, Cofield) and a pocket-pushing rush DT (Robbins, Canty at his best, Jenkins)
I know I know DT is vital it does X/Y/Z, but some positions are necessarily more/less valuable than others. It's not equal.
For instance, we've been made well aware for how long it took some WR's to understand our former offensive systems.
Do responsibilities ever vary greatly for DT's?
You can get variation between DTs that have to do different things in different systems. You have specific body types and technique used. It's up to the GM, DC, or Director of Scouting to figure out of that body type and what the guy has on tape can fit in your system.
Fans have been slow to catch up to that.
IMHO teams that have success, are, or will be, using much greater variety on a play by play basis, this being worked out in detail pre-season, (not scripted, but named and thought out fully) and that elements of what is currently called 3/4, 4/3 and even '46' (not same derivation as above, name wise) will be more mixed.
Teams like the Patriots switch from 43 to 34 week to week depending on opponent. Seattle has all sorts of alignments in their defense. You'll have 43 teams play two gap alignments
The league is probably more multiple on defense now than ever.
Phillips was always a one gap 34 guy.
Certainly players have their strengths and weaknesses, but these two do seem rather similar. Their projections were similar at the time they were drafted, and they served similar roles on their college teams.
5'10 180. Wolf said the player had talent, but didn't fit his model for CB. Yet, against his better judgement, he drafted him. He stated that was regret in the book because he should have stuck with the model. If that player fit the need so be it, he had to fit the model, and he learned that the hard way.
So it all depends on our model of how we view these DTs. If we like our DTs bigger than even if a smaller DT is in free agency or available in the draft, it comes down to does he fit our model? Do we have an established model?
Tom Brady cited our size on the DL. Remember him mic'd up during the SB saying, " It's like throwing in a forest. Their arms are like... " He was sitting next to Welker telling him this.
So if we like size to our DTs no matter what, does a smaller DT fit no matter how good he can be? How about another position as well? This could apply to QB if the FO have a model that they want a QB to have X,Y,Z body dimensions as a starting point.
Terrell Buckley - ( New Window )
Cornelius Griffin(2nd 2000)
William Joseph(1st 2003)
Barry Cofield(4th 2006)
Jay Alford(3rd 2007)
Linval Joseph(2nd 2010)
Marvin Austin(2nd 2011)
This list includes every significant draft pick spent at the DT position since 2000(14 years). Not a single player regardless of performance has signed a second contract with the NY Giants.
This data promotes several possible conclusions.
One: the team wasn't in financial position to retain their services(not supported by this years free agent activity as compared to the FA contract Linval Joseph signed).
Two: the team feels they can readily find capable replacements in the draft so sees no need to spend premium cap dollars on the position.
Three: The team doesn't see value in allocating premium level cap dollars at the position.
IMO it's a combination of the latter two driving the Giants decision making process regarding DT.
As noted, Tom likes big dominating tackles lie the ones he had at JAX (where he didn't have to check with anybody to OK his draft picks). Tom, has often reiterated that he emphasizes dominant line play - that's HIS philosophy.
Reese, I suspect is still inclined to go back to the Accorsi philosophy of drafting one-gap types.
So, I think now it's a compromise between the two types (with the emphasis on run stoppers, but a sprinkling of one gap guys like Austin and Patterson).
Seattle, showed last year that a flu corps of both types is hard to beat. This year, they lost Red Bryant (which I think will hurt them).
For instance the position Reese has clearly spent the least amount of high picks on is LB. He has even been quoted as saying the position is deemphasized in our system. However our love for pass rush is so big he drafted Sintim high due to his belief he could generate pass rush. Also if a guy like Mack fell to 12 , I could see him easily being the pick due to his rare do it all ability as a LB.
I think this exception also applies to Donald. There hasnt been a DT since Suh (whos College numbers still werent as good as Donalds) that comes close to his pass rush ability. With that said if hes still there at 12, that will be hard to pass up.