NFT: Whoa - pro-Russian forces in Donetsk "registering" Jews?

Hopefully it's just political BS by either the Russians or Ukrainians to make the other one look bad. But it can't be ignored.

hold-overs from the former, very recent, pro-russian regime, then you probably have a few nazis within the anti-russian side, along side modern moderates of the internet generation vs the russians, so its very complex...a fucking mess.

but- RB nailed it.

I've met quite a few Ukrainian Jews at my temple and at work. The overwhelming sentiment among them is that they are glad to be here rather than there. From what I gather the sentiment among Jews over there , is that they are trying to stay out of the crossfire and do not particularly like either side.

As bad as Putin is, the Ukrainian government is not any better. This is a failed bankrupt state with a level of corruption that's extreme, even by ex-Soviet state standards. There was plenty of anti-semitism in Ukraine before this incident that was probably only tempered by Ukraine's desire to make nice with the west .

In comment 11625258 shepherdsam said:

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The $50 helps cover the cost of the gold star badge and tattooing process.

You can be a bit of a cunt at times, can't you?

There is a lot of deception going on. I'll leave it at that.

This guy Putin is arming these ' Pro-russian Ukranians' and letting them run rampant to kick up dirt so he can invade to "settle down the region" I hope that isn't true. Register if your Jewish? In 2014? I guess history does repeat itself

during Pograms - which were Jewish purges in the early 1900's before WWI

In comment 11625293 RB^2 said:

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There's a reason you met them - you weren't in Russia.

So the reason some people living outside
of Russia having no problem with the Russian government/society is precisely because they are living outside of Russia (and thus not knowing the ugly persecutions inside that nation).

But, if somehow some people living inside of Russia say they have no problem with the Russian society government/society, well, then, that is precisely because they are living inside of Russia (and thus cannot possibly speak freely for themselves; they are yearning for their liberation day).

Is that how the argument goes? I like that. It covers both sides, and cannot lose.

In comment 11625249 RB^2 said:

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You can at least rule out the probability of the Ukrainian government coordinating this but it still wouldn't answer the question of whether these guys were on their own or were taking direction.

You mean, in a war -- this is what it is over there now, a war -- sides are reliably discerned by what they speak? Is there an inherent and insurmountable limitation on human race to learn to speak more than one language in a life time?

http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premium-1.586174?v=EF0D3C50561D7DD48BD998A357ACC3E6

A survivor that I met later, now in Australia, constantly called the Ukrainian collaborators "butchers"... One afternoon he told me: "Strutnicki was a famous butcher. He killed many people. And there was another butcher, Matwiecki, that boasted that he personally killed 400 Jews himself. There was a family called Maniouk - a Ukrainian family, that spoke perfect Yiddish, and two of the brothers assaulted the Jews during the holocaust and they too killed many..." "The Germans were bad, my grandfather would say, when he described... what happened to the Jews of Bolechov during World War II. The Poles were worse. But the Ukrainians were the worst of all."
—Daniel Mendelsohn, The Lost, pp 128, 166

top to bottom is an epic foreign policy disaster. when the army we're supposedly backing sends in an operation and they have their armor STOLEN from them by "locals"... whoa boy.

better speed up that election. lol

aware that the meek passive Jews can now make the Ukraine the "Nation formerly Known as the Ukraine"?
Ukraine is weak. - ( New Window )

I'm still inclined to believe stuff like this is the work of fringe groups - loudest and most heinous - to muddy the situation and feint.