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NFT: 2 | New York Yankees vs. Tampa Bay Rays - Thurs. Ed

RasputinPrime : 4/17/2014 6:05 pm
NYY | (9-6)

1. Ellsbury, CF
2. Jeter, SS
3. Beltran, RF
4. Soriano, DH
5. McCann, CA
6. Solarte, 3B
7. Sizemore, 1B
8. Roberts, 2B
9. Suzuki, LF

SP CC Sabathia (1-2) 6.63 ERA

vs.

SP David Price (2-0) 2.91 ERA

1. Zobrist, 2B
2. Jennings, DH
3. Forsythe, LF
4. Longoria, 3B
5. Myers, RF
6. Rodriguez, 1B
7. Guyer, CF
8. Escobar, SS
9. Molina, CA

TBY | (7-8)
Hate to be a Negative Nancy  
bigbluehoya : 4/17/2014 6:17 pm : link
But I'm thankful that the Rangers are on so I don't need to watch CC get beat up.
Roberts back in there.  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 6:21 pm : link
Didn't expect that.
millering  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/17/2014 6:29 pm : link
for a general baseball comment: this is just a friendly reminder for the end of season MVP watch that individuals only have so much influence on team success and can't really carry teams.

Mike Trout: 15 games, .323/.380/.646, with a wRC+ of 200. He has 5 HR and 12 RBI. He currently has the second highest Offensive rating.

Miguel Cabrera: 11 games, .227/.277/.364 with a wRC+ of 73 (below replacement level). He has 1 HR and 6 RBI.

Yet, the Tigers are 7-5 and in first in their division while the Angels are 7-8 which is good for fourth in their division.
I'm at a Durham Bulls game...  
Dunedin81 : 4/17/2014 6:34 pm : link
TB vs the O's minor leaguers. A few ex Yankees on the roster, like Justin Christian and Betemit.
love the camera angle  
RasputinPrime : 4/17/2014 7:33 pm : link
too bad it is at this dump of a stadium.
wow  
sinctybldh : 4/17/2014 7:41 pm : link
they are smoking the ball off price. 2-0 yanks.
Price getting murked.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/17/2014 7:41 pm : link
Yeehaw.
ellsbury triple  
sinctybldh : 4/17/2014 7:44 pm : link
3-0 yanks.
I love  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/17/2014 7:45 pm : link
seeing Ellsbury get off to such a good start after the criticism for the monster deal. He is just a dangerous spark plug and it will be exciting if the other bats can be productive this year with Ellsbury in this lineup.
jeter base hit  
sinctybldh : 4/17/2014 7:46 pm : link
4-0 yanks
me too paul  
sinctybldh : 4/17/2014 7:47 pm : link
i was so happy when we got ellsbury. the best thing that happened is we significantly weakneed boston's lineup.

he is so much fun to watch with that awesome speed he has.
This is fun to watch.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/17/2014 7:47 pm : link
.
Price getting his ass beat  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/17/2014 7:48 pm : link
enjoying this one.
damn did beltran run  
sinctybldh : 4/17/2014 7:48 pm : link
that completely out? thought for sure he would of made it to first base.
Sizemore  
RasputinPrime : 4/17/2014 7:48 pm : link
our future at 1B.
omg  
sinctybldh : 4/17/2014 7:57 pm : link
triple play!
woo  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/17/2014 7:57 pm : link
triple play.
Hell yeah!  
BigBlueShock : 4/17/2014 7:57 pm : link
Triple play blotches!
Very cool  
xman : 4/17/2014 7:58 pm : link
That should give CC a jolt
haha nice  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/17/2014 7:58 pm : link
triple play
Nice scoop by Sizemore!!  
GiantJake : 4/17/2014 7:58 pm : link
Triple play!!
Is that asshole at first Joe West?  
B in ALB : 4/17/2014 7:59 pm : link
He couldn't look more disappointed that the yanks just turned three.
Now, that was awesome!  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/17/2014 7:59 pm : link
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wow  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/17/2014 8:00 pm : link
this is just one of those days where the Yankees are hitting everything. That was a good pitch to Soriano, he just golfed that.
Boy Roberts at 2nd really turned that  
xman : 4/17/2014 8:01 pm : link
double play in a flash
that triple play was great!  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 8:01 pm : link
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nice dig by  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 8:02 pm : link
Sizemore at 1B.
My five year old called it  
jcn56 : 4/17/2014 8:04 pm : link
And the second I finished explaining how rare triple plays are, there it was.
oh man  
sinctybldh : 4/17/2014 8:18 pm : link
that was scary. looks like he is ok.
These two AAA teams are full of retreadss...  
Dunedin81 : 4/17/2014 8:18 pm : link
The Bulls 3 and 4 hitters are Christian and Betemit. Not really a prospect in either lineup, save Urrutia who is Cuban and 27. A few pitchers, sadly none of whom is starting tonight, but it makes me feel better about our AAA squad.
Beltran did not realize that low wall was there,  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 8:19 pm : link
he only had his eye on the higher wall behind it. Lucky he wasn't hurt.
I bet  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/17/2014 8:19 pm : link
that Beltran didn't even see the low wall. His periphery likely saw that higher wall behind it and though that was the actual wall.
Huge Bonus  
PaulN : 4/17/2014 8:28 pm : link
To have players like Solarte, Johnson, Sizemore, and Anna. They all play multiple positions and it adds to the teams flexibility. The Rays have been winning with these type players now for years.
this looks like  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/17/2014 8:30 pm : link
it's going to be a great Yanks team.
hopefully that doesn't jinx CC  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/17/2014 8:31 pm : link
the one big inning is always going to be a concern for him from now on.
wow - THAT was terrible infield play  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 8:31 pm : link
by everyone involved. Everyone safe. Error on Roberts but Sizemore screwed up too.
joe west  
sinctybldh : 4/17/2014 8:31 pm : link
just fucked us
nice  
sinctybldh : 4/17/2014 8:32 pm : link
double play!
and THAT was a nice DP!  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 8:32 pm : link
Almost another triple play ...
that was a hell  
MookGiants : 4/17/2014 8:32 pm : link
of a play by Jeter
There is  
PaulN : 4/17/2014 8:33 pm : link
The horrible fielder
oh man, what was that?  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 8:34 pm : link
.
uggh  
sinctybldh : 4/17/2014 8:34 pm : link
that was a bad play
jeez... well 4-1 now.  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 8:35 pm : link
Could have been worse.
Joe West  
B in ALB : 4/17/2014 8:36 pm : link
Is the worst in the league. It's been that way for over a decade.

Is there sort of affirmative action for umps who look like a cross between Jabba the hutt and just a plain slob with an atrocious country album?

RE: There is  
MookGiants : 4/17/2014 8:36 pm : link
In comment 11625916 PaulN said:
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The horrible fielder


One good play doesnt change the fact that he's a well below average defensive player at this point
HR Soriano!  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 8:44 pm : link
5-1.
Soriano  
Exit 172 : 4/17/2014 8:44 pm : link
really admired that homer.
Sori!  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/17/2014 8:44 pm : link
WooHoo!
McCann back to back!  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 8:45 pm : link
.
McCann!!!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/17/2014 8:45 pm : link
Back to Back!

Price getting MURKED.
This team is fun  
BigBlueShock : 4/17/2014 8:48 pm : link
.
RE: RE: There is  
GmenDynasty : 4/17/2014 9:01 pm : link
In comment 11625930 MookGiants said:
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In comment 11625916 PaulN said:


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The horrible fielder



One good play doesnt change the fact that he's a well below average defensive player at this point


Do you EVER say anything positive dude? You are one miserable kid.
So  
MookGiants : 4/17/2014 9:08 pm : link
saying Jeter made a great play wasn't positive?
sac fly Ellsbury  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 9:11 pm : link
7-1
nice play by Ichiro.  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 9:21 pm : link
End of the 6th.
They're making it look easy tonight.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/17/2014 9:22 pm : link
Smacked the hell out of Price.
Outside of the opener and Nova's stinker versus the O's,  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 4/17/2014 9:25 pm : link
the Yanks are giving up less than 3 runs a game.
this might be the year  
MookGiants : 4/17/2014 9:29 pm : link
the Rays finally have a shit year. Weak pitching rotation, hitting is meh
Roberts drives in another -  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 9:33 pm : link
8-1
Roberts  
MookGiants : 4/17/2014 9:34 pm : link
hitting would be huge. He looked shot in spring training and early but maybe he's getting into a groove and can be a decent player, would really change the lineup
HR Rodriguez -  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 9:37 pm : link
I wasn't sure CC was coming back out for this inning. 8-2.
RE: Roberts  
GmenDynasty : 4/17/2014 9:38 pm : link
In comment 11626096 MookGiants said:
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hitting would be huge. He looked shot in spring training and early but maybe he's getting into a groove and can be a decent player, would really change the lineup


How did CC look today, Mook?
I think CC's fastball topped out  
xman : 4/17/2014 9:39 pm : link
at 90
decent  
MookGiants : 4/17/2014 9:39 pm : link
still doesn't have anywhere near the stuff he used to have and wont be a top of the rotation pitcher. Everyone can see that except for you apparently
RE: decent  
GmenDynasty : 4/17/2014 9:43 pm : link
In comment 11626113 MookGiants said:
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still doesn't have anywhere near the stuff he used to have and wont be a top of the rotation pitcher. Everyone can see that except for you apparently


Hmmm I said he had to become more of a pitcher than thrower like Mussina did here in his late career. I never said hed be a dominant ace and throw 95+ again . But yeah keep revising history.

For once in your life stop being so damn miserable and be a little more positive with the way you speak and treat others
CC -  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 9:44 pm : link
He'll need almost 100 pitches to get in 6 good innings even on a better night like tonight. Looks like he'll get in 7 tonight with 106 pitches or so. If Joe sends him out for the 8th he's crazy.

CC is not an "ace" anymore. He'll be a game manager. Tonight was good but I'm not sure how much better it's going to get.

That said, nice job by him tonight.
You  
MookGiants : 4/17/2014 9:46 pm : link
100% said he looked like his old self again, so now you're a fucking liar. Mike Mussina is the exception to the rule. Guys who lose 5 mph off of their fastball usually don't even come close to returning to their old form.
There've been a bunch of pitchers  
Phil in LA : 4/17/2014 9:52 pm : link
who've kept on winning with reduced stuff. Moose was a recent example, but the weird thing about CC if there have not been a bunch of big lefties who lost their velo in their early 30s without a bad arm injury.
Aaron Judge  
Phil in LA : 4/17/2014 9:53 pm : link
finally clocked one.
Betances in and walks the first  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 9:55 pm : link
batter.
.  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 9:57 pm : link
... and K's the next guy.
winning  
MookGiants : 4/17/2014 9:58 pm : link
and being dominant are two different things. And CC's stuff has fallen off of a cliff. He was a power pitcher who now has no power. Lot harder for him to make the adjustments than it is guys who don't rely on fastball velocity nearly as much as he does when they lose some stuff. His changeup has always been a great pitch for him but now he doesn't have near the separation between that and his fastball for it to be really effective.

Power pitchers who have their stuff fall off of a cliff after being dominant rarely get it together and become dominant again or even close to it. Of course its possible, anything is possible, but its very unlikely and pointing to what Mussina did who was not anywhere near the power pitcher that CC was to begin with is stupid.
according to PitchFX  
Phil in LA : 4/17/2014 9:59 pm : link
Dellin got squeezed on the first batter.
.  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 10:01 pm : link
... and walks another. A little too wild tonight.
.  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 10:05 pm : link
and K's another after going 3-2. LOL, a scoreless inning but it took like 26 pitches. Incredible stuff but not quite ready for prime time. He'll be great if he gets his control a little better.
Joe just isn't pitching him enough  
Phil in LA : 4/17/2014 10:06 pm : link
and he got fucked on balls and strikes. He's plenty ready for prime time.
Mook - not sure who you're arguing with.  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 10:07 pm : link
I don't think CC is going to be dominant again. I said above that he is more of a game manager now, crafty if you will, and not an "ace." That said, he pitched a good game tonight. Should he be at the top of the rotation with this staff? That's Joe's problem. But credit where it's due, CC was decent tonight.
RE: Joe just isn't pitching him enough  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 10:08 pm : link
In comment 11626174 Phil in LA said:
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and he got fucked on balls and strikes. He's plenty ready for prime time.


well, I hope you're right. His stuff is fantastic.
and his ERA  
Phil in LA : 4/17/2014 10:11 pm : link
is still 0.00.
Solarte hits his first major league HR!  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 10:17 pm : link
10-2.
I was just thinking how it was gonna be hard for Yangervis  
Phil in LA : 4/17/2014 10:20 pm : link
to keep his OPS north of .800 without homers...
Solarte!  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/17/2014 10:20 pm : link
Roberts a HR away from the cycle. This is his chance, haha.
and let me say this...  
wigs in nyc : 4/17/2014 10:21 pm : link
I love this team's personality so far. Unpopular though it may be, I'm really enjoying not having A-Rod on this team.
Betances in again for the 9th -  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 10:24 pm : link
interesting. Throwing strikes now. First guy K's on 3 pitches.
ha - a 5 pitch inning for Betances there.  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 10:25 pm : link
Nice.
This pitching gives them a chance  
Kyle in NY : 4/17/2014 10:33 pm : link
Impressive to beat up on Price likes that as well. Maybe we've got something here...
Great win.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/17/2014 10:37 pm : link
That was awfully fun to watch. Can't believe they smacked Price around like that. Good outing from CC, too.
CC barely hit 90 on his fastball  
xman : 4/17/2014 10:41 pm : link
but I guess he worked both sides of the plate with his slider change up and his new found cutter.
Nice win for the major league club...  
Dunedin81 : 4/17/2014 10:44 pm : link
minors swept the day too, with highlights including Judge's first HR and a Jake Cave night that included two triples and a double.
Cc looked like Mike Mussina out there  
B in ALB : 4/17/2014 10:46 pm : link
(puts on kevlar)

Hahaha
I loved this team's personality before they even played game 1  
djm : 4/17/2014 10:55 pm : link
Love the speed and outfield defense. The starting pitching looked good going in and now looks even better after a few weeks. And the BP arms look feisty and gutty out there. Need Robertson back.

The infield is getting by but we need a defensive first baseman with some pop in his bat. Tex doesn't have to be the 09 version but man we could really use a steadying presence at first. I hope he gets healthy but man the guy keeps on breaking down.

The outfield is nasty good. And Ichiro should be commended for accepting a super sub role here. He's been tremendous. I had him on the first plane out of here after last season...

Watching mook and jerseyjoe argue is fascinating. JJ is the biggest Pollyanna on Bbi while mook is extremely critical. It's a paradox. Mook makes good points even if some of those points are hard to stomach.
Also DBJ was 3-3 and is up to I think .367 on the year...  
Dunedin81 : 4/17/2014 10:58 pm : link
BaseballAmerica said the same thing Phil has been saying, that it starts with patience.

So far mostly good things on the farm, health still an issue (Campos, Heathcott and Bird still rehabbing) but of the guys who are playing at full strength the early indications are pretty encouraging.
RE: Mook - not sure who you're arguing with.  
MookGiants : 4/17/2014 11:02 pm : link
In comment 11626176 Del Shofner said:
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I don't think CC is going to be dominant again. I said above that he is more of a game manager now, crafty if you will, and not an "ace." That said, he pitched a good game tonight. Should he be at the top of the rotation with this staff? That's Joe's problem. But credit where it's due, CC was decent tonight.


Not arguing with anyone except for JerseyJoe. All good Del
Solarte being interviewed now with a coach translating.  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 11:03 pm : link
Seems like a good guy. Triple play ball (or maybe it's his HR ball) is going to his mother.
Pitching wins championships  
GmenDynasty : 4/17/2014 11:03 pm : link
And the early indications from spring training to the first 15 games have been overwhelmingly positive.

Tanaka looks to be a bonafide ace thus far. Pineda could be a heck of a pitcher too. CC is a smart pitcher who should be able.to reinvent himslf like Muss did. Pen looks strong and deep.

This team is going to be real exciting when the bats get in a groove.
Sizemore being interviewed - this was his first game at 1B ever  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 11:18 pm : link
at any level, and he makes a very good play to dig out the throw from Roberts. He said he saw the whole thing develop and had to catch that ball "at all costs" to complete the triple play.

CC was interviewed and basically said that after the Tanaka-Pineda dual shutout he didn't want to be the starting pitcher who let down. Where does that leave Kuroda - just speculation, but I'd think the Japanese press is having a field day with this ... who is the #1 Japanese pitcher on the Yanks? I bet Kuroda comes out with some fire in his eye tomorrow night.
Beltran interviewed too - he did not know that low fence  
Del Shofner : 4/17/2014 11:23 pm : link
was there, doesn't have a lot of experience in this park, plus with the dome (rather than outdoors) he felt he could not look away from the ball in flight. He is sore and will see how he feels tomorrow.
Pitching does not win Championships  
Phil in LA : 4/17/2014 11:56 pm : link
just ask the Atlanta Braves. You need both pithing and O.
it isn't pitching or hitting that wins championships  
RasputinPrime : 4/18/2014 3:28 am : link
it is healthy pitching and hitting. Look at the Rays rotation right now. If we stay healthy we are going to be in the mix.

Great win tonight. Finally smacked Price in the mouth and broke one off in their stadium.

Solarte just mashes at the dish. He's a keeper. He made some nice adjustments on off-speed pitches after his first two ABs tonight.
RE: Also DBJ was 3-3 and is up to I think .367 on the year...  
GIANTSr01 : 4/18/2014 8:26 am : link
In comment 11626253 Dunedin81 said:
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BaseballAmerica said the same thing Phil has been saying, that it starts with patience.

So far mostly good things on the farm, health still an issue (Campos, Heathcott and Bird still rehabbing) but of the guys who are playing at full strength the early indications are pretty encouraging.


Obviously still early, but he's also got 14 BBs in 14 games and an OBP north of .500 and is starting to show some power (6 doubles already after 16 all last season).
Last year he was swinging from the heels...  
Dunedin81 : 4/18/2014 8:30 am : link
a big toe tap, so it was all or nothing. His HR total spiked from 3 to 11 but his doubles fell; he was swinging for the fences and getting a lot of warning track fly balls. That toe tap and the all-or-nothing approach seems to be gone this year.
I'm loving this team  
GMENGianni : 4/18/2014 8:33 am : link
They're very enjoyable to watch!
RE: Pitching does not win Championships  
GmenDynasty : 4/18/2014 10:58 am : link
In comment 11626304 Phil in LA said:
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just ask the Atlanta Braves. You need both pithing and O.


You need clutch hitting. Some of our best teams werent loaded with big boppers but guys who routinely delivered when it mattered most. Just ask the Cleveland Indians or ask theabsolutely loaded offesnive Yankee team that lost to Boston in 7.
Clutch  
Rob in NYC : 4/18/2014 11:01 am : link
Is a myth.
I'll tell  
xman : 4/18/2014 11:10 am : link
Reggie and Thurman
the Yankees lineup  
djm : 4/18/2014 11:13 am : link
in the mid to late 90s was stacked. Ridiculously stacked.
Yes, tell Reggie and his .679 OPS  
Rob in NYC : 4/18/2014 11:16 am : link
In 11 ALCS.
RE: Clutch  
GmenDynasty : 4/18/2014 11:20 am : link
In comment 11626732 Rob in NYC said:
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Is a myth.


People who say clutch is a myth usually haven't played many sports.

There are most certainly guys who raise their level of play when it counts most.
Clutch isn't a myth...  
Dunedin81 : 4/18/2014 11:21 am : link
it's just overstated. There are good logical and statistically verifiable reasons why certain people hit better in the postseason and especially in the late innings than others, including platoon splits, susceptibility to strikeouts (both of which presume that you're going to see specialists and strikeout pitchers in the late innings), etc etc. And then there are people who over statistically significant stretches of ABs simply outperform their peers and their own career averages, for whatever reason.
RE: RE: Clutch  
Rob in NYC : 4/18/2014 11:24 am : link
In comment 11626764 GmenDynasty said:
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In comment 11626732 Rob in NYC said:


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Is a myth.



People who say clutch is a myth usually haven't played many sports.

There are most certainly guys who raise their level of play when it counts most.


People who make assumptions about individuals they know nothing about are most often morons. That is a well-supported position with respect to your history, JJ.
RE: Clutch isn't a myth...  
Rob in NYC : 4/18/2014 11:27 am : link
In comment 11626765 Dunedin81 said:
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it's just overstated. There are good logical and statistically verifiable reasons why certain people hit better in the postseason and especially in the late innings than others, including platoon splits, susceptibility to strikeouts (both of which presume that you're going to see specialists and strikeout pitchers in the late innings), etc etc. And then there are people who over statistically significant stretches of ABs simply outperform their peers and their own career averages, for whatever reason.


Almost always the label is applied to very good players who perform consistent with their career norms (which is to say very well, like Thurman or Reggie) or misapplied on the basis of selective memory. It is rarely applied correctly and rationally, and likely never by JerseyJoe.
clutch is certainly not a myth  
djm : 4/18/2014 11:47 am : link
guys like Bernie Williams brought their regular season average into the postseason and virtually maintained that same average, if not a little lower. BErnie hit as many or more HRs per at bat in the postseason. That's incredible. That shit doesn't happen often if ever. Hi Metro Dan, that post was for you. YEs, Bernie hit like a fucking animal in the postseason. Why? BEcause guys very rarely maintain their regular season production over such a long postseason run.

Clutch isn't a myth. But the Yanks still had stacked lineups.
I still remember that argument  
djm : 4/18/2014 11:51 am : link
and I still won't let it go. I was called foolish for saying that Bernie hit like an animal in the postseason. Then the number crunching guys cited his post season numbers and said that BErnie's postseason play was about the same as his regular season play. Thus, he didn't hit like an animal in the postseason? Wrong.

IF you are a B+ hitter in the regular season and you go on to be a B+ hitter in the postseason, you're a postseason stud. Period. The reason why the Yanks won 4 rings in 5 years was because many of their hitters brought their regular season success into the postseason and didn't forget how to hit. The reason why the won one title over the next 14 years was because those new sluggers did not hit in the postseason like they did in the regular season. IT's not easy to do. Hits don't come easy in the playoffs.
Bernie Williams  
Rob in NYC : 4/18/2014 11:52 am : link
Career OPS of .858, career postseason OPS of .850
Interesting definition  
Rob in NYC : 4/18/2014 11:53 am : link
Of "clutch", performing in a manner consistent with your prior level.
Rob  
djm : 4/18/2014 12:00 pm : link
I like to think of it as maintaining your production against stronger competition.

When you play well during the regular season you're an all star. When you play well in championship moments you're a legend. This applies to every sport. It aint rocket science. IT's harder to produce when the opponent is tougher. No?

I would think that the number of hits and runs scored is lower in the postseason compared to the regular season. But maybe I am wrong.
I think it falls it to the first category I mentioned  
Rob in NYC : 4/18/2014 12:04 pm : link
Great players playing great. Not sure I would call that clutch. Williams was an extremely productive post season player, but it didn't represent any anomaly to me because he was an extremely productive player over most of his career.

I think most fans define clutch as some level of performance above "normal" based on pressure. I think that is far more rare than the word is used,
RE: Bernie Williams  
GmenDynasty : 4/18/2014 12:22 pm : link
In comment 11626815 Rob in NYC said:
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Career OPS of .858, career postseason OPS of .850


facing much better pitching, so if its close to equivelent thats pretty damn good. Also see Duned81 definition on clutch . It's pretty spot on.
RDP makes the prospect hot sheet  
Dunedin81 : 4/18/2014 1:04 pm : link
...
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CC may extend his career  
Jay in Toronto : 4/18/2014 1:14 pm : link
by craftiness like Petite did
I hate the talk  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/18/2014 1:16 pm : link
of clutch nonsense, because all people want to do is shift goalposts.

There are so many different definitions of what a "clutch" moment is. Is it the entire postseason? What about players who have performed well in the postseason, but have struggled in high leverage situations in the regular season?
Are they clutch or not? You can find plenty examples of guys who were great in the World Series, but terrible in League Championship Series, which are the games played to determine who goes to the World Series. There are plenty of examples of guys whose performance in "late and close" games in the regular season don't match their performances in postseason games.

Are there some guys who are better under pressure, or who are better at shortening their swings to put it in play and battle? Sure. But, for the most part, "clutch hitters" are more the product of selective memory or the results of small sample sizes.
RE: CC may extend his career  
Dunedin81 : 4/18/2014 1:21 pm : link
In comment 11626965 Jay in Toronto said:
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by craftiness like Petite did


Or pharmaceuticals...
nice fangraphs article on Tanaka...  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/18/2014 1:49 pm : link
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/masahiro-tanakas-non-secret-weapon/

Mainly focuses on the fact that while Tanaka throws a lot of strikes and gets ahead in counts, he really doesn't throw in the strike zone all that often because hitters tend to chase his pitches outside of the zone anyway.

"Batters have swung at 65% of Tanaka’s splitters, even though just 32% of them have been in the zone."



He gets the K on a splitter in the dirt. The hitter had no chance to do anything on that swing.

So the obvious counter to a guy who throws so many pitches outside of the strike zone is to wait him out right? But that's what makes Tanaka special. He might not throw in the strike zone that often but he can if he wants to. So if you're going to counter by waiting him out, Tanaka will just counter by throwing in the strike zone more. He can still get swing and misses with his splitter in the strike zone.



Really liking his set of skills so far. I think he'll give up his fair share of Homers because he misses up in the zone at times. Being a righty in Yankee stadium won't help those HR numbers either. But that's really the only negative I see with him. I love the fact that his splitter has lived up to the hype. I was worried that it wouldn't be as good of a pitch in the MLB with the different ball and better hitters, but it looks as nasty as advertised. Great start to his career.
My concern  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/18/2014 2:01 pm : link
will be how he adjusts as batters pick up on this and recognize his pitches better. This was the same problem that hurt Matsuzaka. But thus far, he has been fantastic.
RE: nice fangraphs article on Tanaka...  
GmenDynasty : 4/18/2014 2:03 pm : link
In comment 11627050 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
Quote:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/masahiro-tanakas-non-secret-weapon/

Mainly focuses on the fact that while Tanaka throws a lot of strikes and gets ahead in counts, he really doesn't throw in the strike zone all that often because hitters tend to chase his pitches outside of the zone anyway.

"Batters have swung at 65% of Tanaka’s splitters, even though just 32% of them have been in the zone."



He gets the K on a splitter in the dirt. The hitter had no chance to do anything on that swing.

So the obvious counter to a guy who throws so many pitches outside of the strike zone is to wait him out right? But that's what makes Tanaka special. He might not throw in the strike zone that often but he can if he wants to. So if you're going to counter by waiting him out, Tanaka will just counter by throwing in the strike zone more. He can still get swing and misses with his splitter in the strike zone.



Really liking his set of skills so far. I think he'll give up his fair share of Homers because he misses up in the zone at times. Being a righty in Yankee stadium won't help those HR numbers either. But that's really the only negative I see with him. I love the fact that his splitter has lived up to the hype. I was worried that it wouldn't be as good of a pitch in the MLB with the different ball and better hitters, but it looks as nasty as advertised. Great start to his career.


Great ,great analysis of Tanaka. He's looking every bit worth this big contract thus far.
RE: My concern  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/18/2014 2:12 pm : link
In comment 11627075 PaulBlakeTSU said:
Quote:
will be how he adjusts as batters pick up on this and recognize his pitches better. This was the same problem that hurt Matsuzaka. But thus far, he has been fantastic.


It's so early in process that it's hard to say for sure. But I think one big difference between Tanaka and Matsuzaka is Tanaka's control. Dice-K always struggled to throw strikes and walked a lot of guys. I mean the year he went 18-3 with a 2.90 ERA, Dice-K still walked 94 batters in 167 innings. An absurdly high rate for such successful season. Dice-K also walked a lot more guys in Japan.

Dice-K had a 3.2 BB/9 rate over 1400 innings in Japan
Tanaka had a 1.9 BB/9 rate over 1300 innings in Japan

I don't think Tanaka will fall victim to the same issues as Dice-K because he's a different pitcher. One that has always had better control.

I actually think when Tanaka struggles, it will be less about walks and more about hard hit balls when he leaves the ball up in the zone too much.
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