What are your thoughts on this issue? We've seen major changes to the coaching staff, and to the personnel on the team.
I assume no one was let go because we were already too deep into the draft evaluation process for this year when last season ended. I don't mean Reese, but what about Ross, and some of the other scouts? Or will everyone get another year? I should think if people are going to be released it would be after the draft, so the FO would have time to hire new scouts and not have them fall behind their counterparts on other teams when the process for reviewing prospects for 2015 begins.
I would think it's happened tons of times in the past, and with the draft not until May this year and a grand total of probably under 500 players drafted and signed as college free agents, 5 months is more than enough time to prep and get to know every one of them.
Your timing scenario is also spot on. I think your right, changes might very well be coming.
I swear if he takes a QB with one of our first 4 picks...jk. I hope , in no order, we get a WR OL TE RB DL....alot of us are forgetting we could take a RB as high as the 3rd RD.
Some posters have pointed the finger at past and/or present members of the coaching staff for some of the more notable recent draft busts.
It is also worth noting that Phily's drafting didn't seem very productive with Marc Ross running it there, and that the decline in productivity of the GIANTS drafts more or less coincides with Ross being hired by Reese to run the GIANTS drafts after Reese moved up from running the draft to being General Manager. When Reese was running the drafts, the GIANTS were doing quite well in them, well enough to assemble the group around Eli that won the team's last two Super Bowl victories.
Changes in scouting and drafting staff are typically made right after the draft, so I would expect something to happen later next month. However it may or may not result in scouts being let go or reassigned. That may not be where the problem is.
... or what Bill in UT said
Yea, or what pjcas18 said ;)
In fact the only difference I seen so far this year less involvement of scouting by coaches. Seems more likely that the scouts are running the whole show. But yes less Ross this year at pro days. Reese has made more scouting trips.
That ended any speculation that Reese, after seven mostly successful seasons as the Giants’ general manager, would pay for this poor season and years of questionable draft choices with his job. Mara made no secret that he has issues with some of the personnel decisions and draft picks, but he didn’t put all the blame on Reese for that.
He also didn’t blame Reese’s staff or scouts. In fact, Mara said “I think we have as good a group of scouts as any team in the league. Now we may have taken some calculated risks on players in the past, knowing that they were risks thinking that maybe we’d hit big and we didn’. But that’s not necessarily a function of the scouts.
“That’s as much on me as anything else. I knew what the risks were in certain cases and we took them and they didn’t work out. But we’ve had a lot of guys that have worked out, too, as lower round picks. So you take the good with the bad.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/john-mara-stands-firmly-behind-jerry-reese-blog-entry-1.1657535 - ( New Window )
The other 2 major decision makers are Ross and Chris Mara.I am, and have been, very curious to hear or see if their is any expansion, or restriction, for that matter, on the decision making authority of either as it pertains to scouting, and drafting in particular.
I am still unclear exactly what it is Chris Mara does, where his authority starts and ends, and what say he ultimately has on draft day.Ultimately we have some idea where John Mara and Reese stand on the issue or responsibility tof drafting. Both have expressed culpability in that area.I have not heard the same from Chris Mara or Ross.Is there advice heeded and that creates the poor drafting in later rounds that we have? or is it ignored, and that is the issue?
In either case, I suspect management does hold the scouting dept liable for the poor drafting choices. I'm willing to be any flaws that proved the undoing of our draft choices were mentioned in the reports the Giants scouts compiled on them.
It's an issue of decision making, not intelligence, so I don't see changes in the scouting dept much per se , myself.
In either case, I suspect management does NOT hold the scouting dept liable for the poor drafting choices. I'm willing to BET any flaws that proved the undoing of our draft choices were mentioned in the reports the Giants scouts compiled on them.
I'll be stunned if a few guys aren't canned
No more of this
http://www.nj.com/sports/nfldraft/index.ssf/2009/04/new_york_giants_trade_up_to_se.html
It was reported for weeks how much Coughlin and Sheridan wanted Sintim. They wanted him in the 1st round but now it gets tossed on Ross. Smh.
Coaches are fired after the last game of the season. The draft is he scouting departments "last game of the season", therefore scouting department personnel are fired after the draft.
It doesn't make sense as an owner to know you're going to fire a scout or scouts because you don't think they're doing a good job but let them continue influencing your decision-making with the organizations most valuable resources.
I don't get that line of thinking.
scouts aren't coaches and the analogy isn't close.
It doesn't make sense as an owner to know you're going to fire a scout or scouts because you don't think they're doing a good job but let them continue influencing your decision-making with the organizations most valuable resources.
I don't get that line of thinking.
scouts aren't coaches and the analogy isn't close.
You aren't going to be able to really hire scouts in February or March because their job mostly takes place from september to december.
Just because they haven't been fired yet doesn't mean some scouts are actually having influence on the decision making process. It's not something that will come out who is let go until after their contracts run out after the draft.
He's mismanaged the cap and missed on a lot of early picks and no one was a let go at all. They all work for him and are his guys. He's going to get years to turn it around. Its the Giants way. People can bitch all they want about Ross but he works for Reese.
If they screw this draft up there may be repercussions but the guy and his staff seem immune to any ramifications.
Scouts and/or Ross will be the ones that have the chance of being canned.
Toward the end of camp is when changes need to be made. you have early results on how this years draft went. Lots of data on the prior years draft. If it doesn't look good, you make the change and let a revised department scout all year for next years draft.
It's possible that the scouting department is doing their job and it's the higher ups that are blowing it. That's for insiders to know.
Toward the end of camp is when changes need to be made. you have early results on how this years draft went. Lots of data on the prior years draft. If it doesn't look good, you make the change and let a revised department scout all year for next years draft.
It's possible that the scouting department is doing their job and it's the higher ups that are blowing it. That's for insiders to know.
Maybe scouts put too much weight on potential as opposed to production for example. Reese could just "tweek" the rating formula the way he sees fit to improve the Giant's draft in the latter rounds.
Maybe scouts put too much weight on potential as opposed to production for example. Reese could just "tweek" the rating formula the way he sees fit to improve the Giant's draft in the latter rounds.
Reese just needs to spend more time at first-pick.com ... I don't know shit about college players yet I've become GREAT at drafting - and all the credit goes to first-pick.com. I don't know what Reese's problem is - I got pretty good at it in a matter of days.