If he does I believe the 3 big OT's plus Watkins and Evans will be off the board in picks 1 to 11. I don't believe he will take a TE in round one and Donald would be BPA not huge need. That makes the pick a small reach to Martin or a huge surprise to my mind. Pugh was a bigger reach last year than Martin would be. I know there are some good O-lineman expected to be available in round two, like Pugh was last year. If the 3 big OT's go in picks 1-10 than the possibility of a run on O-lineman before the end of round one is something Reese will have to consider. I think Reese will pick Martin.
It doesn't appear that the selection Reese will make if he, as expected, stays put at 12, could be a bad one, a "mistake." How 1-11 goes and anything unexpected could nab us a surprise
Unlike other years, my anxiety level as to the talent we select, is quite low, even non-existent..I am excited, however
Way too much talent.....the key to the draft.....is the 3rd and 4th round.
To address this question
Reese always weighs need....but it must be in same grouping of talent and value. I suspect Martin and Donald are in the same range..talent wise....but there are more OL in this draft....so #3DT has more value
Giants would be fortunate to get him...
DT is a huge need, just after OL.
...can't go wrong!
I think Donald is going to be a star!
And Martin will give a huge boost to the worst O-line in the NFL.
Flip a coin.
No.
Couple that with the very highly graded OL that are STILL likely to be there at 43 and its almost a no brainer.
Further we can likely still get a good WR third round and a TE fourth round like Joe Don Duncan Arthur Lynch or Crockett Gilmore.
No need to give up the value of a Donald with our FA and the depth of this draft.
Reaches? His round 1 picks have been stellar outside of perhaps Aaron Ross (when maybe he should have went Joe Staley). And even Ross contributed to two Super Bowl wins.
I think that our DT rotation will be ok this year, even if we don't draft a DT high. Hankins, Jenkins, Kuhn, Patterson, with Ayers or JPP moving inside on pass rushing downs.
While I'm not yet sold, I would not be shocked if #NYG went OL double w/ Zack Martin at 12 + keep options open for Weston Richburg at 43
Art Stapleton @art_stapleton 2m
The more research this draft, the more I think about present + future needs for #NYG, more it becomes apparent OL projects not the way to go
You can if you watched the Giants last season "@Base718: @art_stapleton I can't see a way that Reese goes OL with his first 2 picks"
I also think Donald makes a lot of sense. His presence as a pass rusher to me becomes even more important when you consider that our edge rushers leave much to be desired right now. There is no Osi or Strahan or 2011 JPP right now.
This idea of teams "reaching" for players is absurd. Based on mock drafts and the opinions of a few "experts?"
A reach because of his reach "@davidrsoffer: @art_stapleton people should remember that some considered Pugh a reach cause of his arm size"
I don't want Martin because I don't think he can play either LT or RT, and I don't believe in spending the #12 pick on a Guard. But if the Giants evaluate him as an OT, then they should pick him if the other OTs are gone.
But they absolutely, positively must protect the franchise QB.
Beatty remains questionable both for the quality of his play to date (especially last season) and for his return from the injury. The current back ups at OLT (C. Brown, John Jerry, Goodin, etc.) do not exactly inspire confidence. And there is no decent backup Center on the roster, either. If anything happens with Walton, well, I don't want to think about it.
Here's another possible scenario that nobody has mentioned. A QB or two (Teddy?) slides way down, the three top OTs, Evans, and Ebron are all gone by pick 12 and the G-men decide they don't want OL Martin or anybody else available at that point. The GIANTS could trade down well into the first round, gain another second rounder and probably a later pick, too, and take Center Weston Richburg who would sit behind Walton and learn for a season or two before taking over as the starter.
He is pretty much the consensus top Center in this draft, a position that is not deep at all. Recent rumors have him going higher than everybody thinks, kind of like the Center the Cowflops drafted in the first round last spring.
And more importantly, the GIANTS have not bothered to sign another veteran Center. There were guys out there for the taking, and they were unable to re-sign Boothe. So there's a big hole there to fill with not much after Richburg in this draft. But there are plenty of OTs, WRs, and DLs, as well as a couple of TEs to be had on the second day.
So then they could come back with two picks in the second and one in the third to address OT, WR, TE, DL, or whatever.
I am not saying that this is going to happen. I still think they want Ebron or Evans, but I think there is a very good chance that they are both gone by pick 12. However, this is one more scenario that could play out depending on how they evaluate the possibilities and what happens with the first 11 picks.
In no small part due their own recent efforts, Reese & Co really have a very wide range of positions to choose from and still be able weight filling a need heavily (not that they've ever been strict BPA anyway).
Here's another possible scenario that nobody has mentioned. A QB or two (Teddy?) slides way down, the three top OTs, Evans, and Ebron are all gone by pick 12 and the G-men decide they don't want OL Martin or anybody else available at that point. The GIANTS could trade down well into the first round, gain another second rounder and probably a later pick, too, and take Center Weston Richburg who would sit behind Walton and learn for a season or two before taking over as the starter.
Yeah, because nobody has mentioned a trade down.
If the behind the scenes rumors are valid, he probably won't be there for them in the second round. And he's the closest thing to a blue chip Center in this draft.
I used to be a BPA kind of guy. It makes sense. pretty much any position is a player of need. Watching this team deteriorate as it has makes me rethink that. Need absolutely must factor into the pick. We NEED OL. desperately. Reach, reach, reach, to get a T/G. within reason. It doesn't matter if he gets picked 10 spots early. IF you think a guy will be a legitimate asset to the team, it doesn't matter if he would be available later in the round. IF you can't get a decent offer to trade down and IF he won't be available in the next round, pick him.
this guy clowney would be worthy of 12th pick
the sneaking suspicion is that, in the mind of the threadster, 'talent' is a WR, not a larger type player.
which is just silly at 12, especially this year.
to me - its a system and you want parts that work, each in its turn, start with the fundamentals this year.
keep Eli on his feet at all times and knock the opponent off his.
Teams: Minnesota Vikings, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Achievements: Nine All-Pro selections, Hall of Fame (2009)
It doesn't matter than he never wonor even appeared ina Super Bowl. McDaniel was the best interior lineman of his era.
From the moment he reached the NFL in 1988, he missed only two games, and beginning in 1990, didn't miss a single start until he left the game in 2001. That type of durability is vital for any offensive lineman.
But durability isn't what earned him a spot in Canton. He routinely drove bigger defensive tackles off the ball so that Robert Smith, Randy Moss and Cris Carter could become stars and Randall Cunningham, Jeff George and Warren Moon could enjoy greatness in their twilights. ''
- now that's what I am talking about.