We all agree that pass rush is one of our biggest priorities, and that the draft doesn't have a DE as worth a #12 pick. Donald's only flaw ( potentially) is size. He has speed, bend to turn the corner, and strenth to play the run.
Why couldn't we draft him to play DE? I'm interested in everyone's opinion.
so if he was drafted they would find a way to use him to take advantage over the defense...
Donald has played every position on the DL.. but he is best used as a 3 tech DT.. which the Giants have a need of..
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He would had bombed the shit out of Ebron. Unfortunately for Eric, he wouldn't be able catch all of them.
Which one would he have been?
I'm warming up to being very happy with Donald if he's the pick at #12, provided none of the "sure fire non QB top 10 picks" (e.g. Clowney, Watkins, Mack, Robinson, Matthews) are still available.
I believe Lawrence Taylor comparisons were mentioned as well.
So Donald falls somewhere between Freeney...Randle...and LT. He was visiting the Cowboys this week and was planning on stopping in Canton to get fitted for his HOF bust and then home to Pittsburgh.
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and being explosive for a DT doesn't equate to having the speed and explosion to come off the edge at DE. He doesn't fit the 4-3 DE paradigm in any way.
Elvis Dumervil is the exception that proves the rule.
5'11", 260#, 4.75 40 yd dash, 73 sacks in 7 seasons.
Not every DE needs to be tall and long. But like Klaatu said, square peg, and the Giants could surely use a square peg behind Jenkins.
Dumervil is a major exception.
His advantage imo is that he's too fast for interior defenders, and strong enough to win a lot of battles. Furthermore he has a lot of great football instincts and has already developed a strong arsenal of rush moves.
But the top OT's in the league can handle all of that, while interior linemen can not. Why intentionally line him up against the NFL's best?
LinJO
Barry C
Hand
Robbins
Canty
Kuhn
Patterson
Jenkins
Hankins
Austin
Alford
Any others am I missing?
Alford was a typical 3 tech for us, Linval clearly a 1, as was Cofield.
I think they look for 3s who are super quick of the ball, and size isn't as relevant there because Robbins was huge, and Austin and Alford a good bit smaller, no?
conversely, >late rounder< brent urban, consensus as a 3-4 type player...but:
who gets push on the inside that the don does not,
albeit does not have that 'step' but-
as a 6'7" 295er, could develop any number of moves, with that push or good leverage that he already uses, could develop moves that could become very useful even as a 4-3 DE.
for example, 'could we use a Watt as a DE in our system? ' damn right we could.
you say urban is 'too slow' at 295?
well, demotre moore is too slow at 250. which is more useful?
if the draft falls without us getting a classic DE...my opinion is that a player like urban at DE might help free up our DTs and linebackers to attack inside gaps...and he could take reps on the inside as well if you trust the leverage shown on college tape.
all taking into consideration a relatively much lower round selection and as part of an O focussed draft
Woulda, coulda, shoulda.
The one time Jon in NYC and I agreed on a Badger!
it is a different game than what we have been playing.
remember the banger LBs the aagles used to have, to smash into gaps left open by such an attack?
or our own dynamic DL, able to create O chaos and win even while taking such risks?
what we cannot continue to do is just have both DTs covering 2 gaps, still get no rush from the DEs, and ask the LBs to...whatever they are supposed to and aren't or cannot.
What he brings is a disruptive force where he will force double coverage and still manage to get into the backfield. The other guys on the Dline, especially the LDE and RDE will actually get credit for the sacks.
Who cares? As long as he screws up the QB, Oline and RB on most plays it doesn't really matter who gets home.
Alford was a typical 3 tech for us, Linval clearly a 1, as was Cofield.
I think they look for 3s who are super quick of the ball, and size isn't as relevant there because Robbins was huge, and Austin and Alford a good bit smaller, no?
Yeah I listed everyone. I am curious to see if there is a model in terms of size we are sticking to for our DTs in general at 3T and 1T.