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NFT: Mets reportedly have made a trade

DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 6:32 pm
For what or who is going the other way is unknown at this time
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It's  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 6:33 pm : link
none of these guys

Lineup: EY Jr. LF Murphy 2B Wright 3B Granderson RF Young CF Duda 1B dArnaud C Tejada SS Niese LHP
Thor for  
Giants2012 : 4/18/2014 6:35 pm : link
zambrano?
Likely Ike, safe to assume  
mikeshecky : 4/18/2014 6:35 pm : link
Assuming they held back the lineup because they are getting rid of someone who might have started. And they needed to make room for Young. So likely Ike for a minor leaguer.
Strange  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 6:38 pm : link
none of the beat guys would notice the guy missing or some activity around the guy
Chris  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 6:40 pm : link
Cotillo says Ike Davis has NOT been informed of any trade involving him.
were trading for oliver perez  
CGiants07 : 4/18/2014 6:42 pm : link
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CGiants07 : 4/18/2014 6:43 pm : link
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS now
Mets and pirates are working on an Ike Davis deal

Heyman says  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 6:43 pm : link
Ike to pittsburgh
with Victorino nearing a return  
WeatherMan : 4/18/2014 6:43 pm : link
the Red Sox might move Mike Carp, but I'm not seeing any buzz in the usual outlets at this time.
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DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 6:45 pm : link
Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 15s

Ah, just saw @JonHeymanCBS said they were working on a deal while I was on phone with source. Ike to PIT is done.
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DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 6:46 pm : link
Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 6s

1-2 prospects back to #Mets in Ike deal. #Pirates
I  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 6:50 pm : link
wouldn't mind Jhang as part of the deal. Kingham isn't happening. I'd be stunned.
...  
CGiants07 : 4/18/2014 6:55 pm : link
#Pirates acquire Ike Davis for RHP Zack Thornton and a player to be named.
New Met  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 6:55 pm : link
New Zach Thornton https://www.baseballamerica.com/statistics/players/cards/84718 #METS


and a PTNL
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DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 6:56 pm : link
Potential MLB middle reliever per MLB prospect watch http://www.mlbprospectwatch.com/mlb_prospect_watch/zack-thornton/ #mets
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DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 6:58 pm : link
Extensive scouting report on new Met Zach Thornton http://www.drstrangeglove.com/2014/01/08/2014-prospect-38-zach-thornton/ #mets
Might as  
Metnut : 4/18/2014 6:58 pm : link
well as kept him as a bat off the bench and insurance if Duda got hurt rather than give him up for nothing. I guess Wilpon didn't want to pay him.
The  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 6:59 pm : link
PTNL hopefully is more interesting. This is a dumping of Ike Davis if Thornton is the return. That's fine for Duda's mind but not a boffo return. Curious about the PTNL
Damn  
BigBlueShock : 4/18/2014 7:00 pm : link
The Mets couldn't get anymore than a middle reliever at AAA? I know Ike's value is low, but come on now
PTBNL on 40 man  
CGiants07 : 4/18/2014 7:00 pm : link
or drafted in 2013 draft?
Championship  
Steve in South Jersey : 4/18/2014 7:01 pm : link
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Thornton  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 7:02 pm : link
might eventually help the Mets pen but he was the Pirates #38 prospect, throws 88-90 and most telling was unprotected and then undrafted in the rule v this year which means if anybody liked him they could have had him for 50,000. Let's hope the PTNL is someone mildly intriguing.
RE: Damn  
CGiants07 : 4/18/2014 7:03 pm : link
In comment 11627569 BigBlueShock said:
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The Mets couldn't get anymore than a middle reliever at AAA? I know Ike's value is low, but come on now


there is another player in the deal
He's  
Metnut : 4/18/2014 7:04 pm : link
probably a little better than the outdated scouting park suggests. His very high K rate has carried over to AAA (albeit in a small sample size). The scouting part seems to have been written a feel years ago when he was only in A ball.
Metnut  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 7:05 pm : link
outdated? That's a 2014 pre-season scouting report and he went unclaimed in January in the rule v.
In  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 7:06 pm : link
fact it even mentions how he did in October in the AFL

"f you had Thorntons numbers shoved under your nose blindly, you would probably swear that he was a top prospect, a closer in waiting. A guy with these strikeout-to-walk ratios in the minor leagues either has great stuff, a trick pitch, or a crazy delivery, but Thornton has none of the above he throws his fastball at only 89-90, and has a decent slider and a good changeup. His delivery is a bit deceptive, in that he throws across his body from a three-quarters arm slot, but it really does not explain the results he is getting. Scouts continue to be unimpressed, as witnessed by his failure to be gobbled up in the Rule 5 draft, despite following up his most recent campaign with 14.2 solid innings in the AFL, in which he posted a K/9 of 8.59 and an ERA of 3.07.

Digging deeper, it is still hard to find a hole in Thorntons numbers, some moment when you say its just luck. If anything, batted ball data backs up his conventional numbers. He has posted a very low line drive rate of 14.4%, which supports his low BAA and BABIPs against, as well as his high strikeout rates the guy has just been hard for minor leaguers to hit. He has a high ground ball rate and has kept the ball in the ballpark, and he really doesnt have much of a platoon split. His career FIP is 2.35. His career SIERA is 2.74. And we are talking about a lot of innings here, over 80 in two of the last three seasons.

This will be Thorntons 26 year-old season; like Duke Welker, hes getting a little long in the tooth for prospect lists. But, as I said last year, I am willing to give any pitcher who is striking out over 11 batters in 9 innings the benefit of the doubt. I would like to see Thornton be given a real chance to earn a spot in the Pirates bullpen. If his stuff wont play in the major leagues, well find out pretty quickly. But this guy has earned the chance."
Guess Abreu  
Rflairr : 4/18/2014 7:06 pm : link
gets that spot on the bench?
...  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 7:07 pm : link
Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 1m
Exec with another MLB team labeled Zack Thornton a soft tosser and noted he was passed over by 29 clubs -- including Mets -- in Rule 5 draft
ugh ouch  
Rflairr : 4/18/2014 7:08 pm : link
who is the PTBNL? Guess the Mets just wanted to save that 4 mill? At least spend it on Drew then
RE: Metnut  
Metnut : 4/18/2014 7:08 pm : link
In comment 11627588 DanMetroMan said:
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outdated? That's a 2014 pre-season scouting report and he went unclaimed in January in the rule v.


Lol, my bad. I skimmed it and missed all of that at the end. Whoops.

Might as well call this guy up soon because we can sure use pen help.
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DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 7:08 pm : link
Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN 38s
Two potential explanations after hearing Thornton's name: PTBN is solid, or Mets want to free money for another maneuver.

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CGiants07 : 4/18/2014 7:09 pm : link
In comment 11627597 DanMetroMan said:
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Adam Rubin @AdamRubinESPN 1m
Exec with another MLB team labeled Zack Thornton a soft tosser and noted he was passed over by 29 clubs -- including Mets -- in Rule 5 draft


mets pass on rule 5 guys whether good or not imo
CG  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 7:10 pm : link
how about the team that left him unprotected and the 28 other non-Met/Pirate teams?:)
Looks awful if this is it  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/18/2014 7:10 pm : link
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mets save 3.14 mil with the trade  
CGiants07 : 4/18/2014 7:11 pm : link
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Yeah if thats it  
Rflairr : 4/18/2014 7:12 pm : link
You could have done that trade in the Spring.
RE: CG  
CGiants07 : 4/18/2014 7:12 pm : link
In comment 11627607 DanMetroMan said:
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how about the team that left him unprotected and the 28 other non-Met/Pirate teams?:)


they look at metrics probavly said na were good hes 26
Well  
Rflairr : 4/18/2014 7:14 pm : link
Duda can probably relax now
lol, in true mets fashion  
PhiPsi125 : 4/18/2014 7:16 pm : link
Shades of the billy Wagner trade, anyone?

When has a PTNL ever turned out to be anything other than garbage.
RE: Well  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/18/2014 7:17 pm : link
In comment 11627619 Rflairr said:
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Duda can probably relax now


I may never understand the team love interest in duda.

Let's see what they get, but I don't want to hear sandy run down any player's defense again if you're okay with Duda over Davis.

Talk about selling low.
pirates top 20 prospect list by sickel  
CGiants07 : 4/18/2014 7:17 pm : link
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Plus side  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2014 7:18 pm : link
On the plus side @BaseballAmerica noted in December that Thornton had limited upside but a chance to help a team "right away" #mets
So if the PTBNL  
pjcas18 : 4/18/2014 7:19 pm : link
stinks then Ike Davis had about as much value as Corey Vaughn.

Sad. I'm glad Ike is gone, other than the walk-off GS, it was agonizing watching him play for the better part of the past two years.

You know he's going to be one of those guys who the change of scenery helps him excel, and I don't care. Ike is a notch above Jason Bay and Justin Turner for me. He's in Ollie territory.
RE: Plus side  
PhiPsi125 : 4/18/2014 7:20 pm : link
In comment 11627625 DanMetroMan said:
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On the plus side @BaseballAmerica noted in December that Thornton had limited upside but a chance to help a team "right away" #mets


Right, because the mets are obviously going to need help right away, lol. Kind of retarded rationale for a team going nowhere.
I don't think Duda is the answer  
Rflairr : 4/18/2014 7:21 pm : link
borderline Major leaguer in my opinion
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CGiants07 : 4/18/2014 7:22 pm : link
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS now
hearing the PTBNL in ike deal is fairly significant. so there's that. #mets #bucs

ass for ass  
Maximus, Esq. : 4/18/2014 7:22 pm : link
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RE: ..  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/18/2014 7:23 pm : link
In comment 11627640 CGiants07 said:
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Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS now
hearing the PTBNL in ike deal is fairly significant. so there's that. #mets #bucs


Better play SS, not another damn pitcher.
Now its getting interesting  
Rflairr : 4/18/2014 7:25 pm : link
Do they have any SS prospects?
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pjcas18 : 4/18/2014 7:25 pm : link
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St Lucie To Flushing ‏@PSLToFlushing 17s

I'm going with @MetsProspectHub here and saying LHP Blake Taylor will end up being the PTBN
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